Science Activists Trying to turn California into a 3rd World Country - Its already got the AIDs, now it gets everything else

https://arstechnica.com/science/201...nitiative-thats-a-conspiracy-theorists-dream/

California green-lights initiative that is conspiracy theorist’s dream
It would ban chemicals, GMOs, smart meters, reverse vaccine law, end water treatment.

Activists in California can now move forward collecting signatures for an expansive ballot initiative that encompasses a world of non-evidence-based and fringe notions, according to California Secretary of State Alex Padilla.

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The initiative would eliminate vaccination requirements for schools and daycares, banish genetically modified organisms, and prohibit basic water treatments with fluoride and chlorine. The initiative would ban more than 300 chemicals, including fire retardants, and it would order the removal of smart meters. These, the initiative claims, are “neither smart nor meters but intermittent samplers, not accurate, not accountable, [that] emit and receive unnecessary radiation.”
The initiative, dubbed the “California Clean Environment” initiative, will create an elected, three-person board to oversee the sweeping regulations and approve new chemicals. Violations under the initiative would be considered up to felony crimes punishable by fines and prison sentences.

As justification for extensive regulation, the initiative claims that GMOs and unspecified contaminants in the environment, food, and vaccines are causing cancers, autism, Parkinson's, and a slew of other diseases.

“We are trying to restore people’s ability to fight for themselves and decide what they should do,” the initiative’s author, Cheriel Jensen, told Patch.com. “These companies that make the chemicals have taken our right to refuse those chemicals away.”

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The initiative states that “nothing may be introduced into people, commerce, or the environment if it causes or increases the probability of one or more of the following in people, mammals, birds, bees, other beneficial insects, or amphibians.”

This is followed by a long list of conditions and diseases spanning death, cancer, diabetes, and Alzheimer’s. The list also hits allergies, interference with sleep, loss of productivity of the soil, and a die-off of intestinal bacteria.

With the state authorization, Jensen is now clear to start collecting signatures to get the initiative on the ballot this November. She'll need to collect valid signatures from 365,880 registered voters—five percent of the total votes cast for governor in the November 2014 general election—in order to qualify. She has until August 8 to do so.

California already has some of the strictest environmental measures in the country, and the state has previously rejected even labeling GMOs in foods. Still, the initiative may find a foothold with the anti-vaccine and vaccine-hesitant crowd. In 2016, California implemented a law that clamped down on personal belief exemptions for required vaccines in school-aged children, which riled opponents. Many have vowed to overturn the law, which this initiative would do, among many other things.

An initial assessment by California’s Legislative Analyst's Office and Department of Finance determined that, if the measure passes, it would “result in a substantial net change in state and local finances.”
I can't even begin to describe the disaster this would be. Epidemics, water-born illness, massive tooth decay, barring of healthy foods.....it's like Alex Jones got himself an initiative to sign. The fucking stupidity of these people never ceases to amaze me. They want to remove water treatment. Holy shit. I wouldn't be surprised if the ulterior motive was because these things were invented by the 'white man'.

Though I say do it. Especially if isolated to San Francisco. Let those rich fuckers see what its like to live in a real shithole.
 
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I genuinely believe that California will the next "rust belt" of America in 20 to 30 years. Here's my reasoning with additional sources if you wish to read up further:

-Hollywood is slowly collapsing due to the rise of new media and the decentralization of entertainment.
https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2016/06/hollywood-has-a-huge-millennial-problem/486209/
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...lion-stock-collapse-hollywood-s-picture-blurs

-SanFran-based Big Tech is becoming less relevant (Facebook and Google have peaked in popularity and are now showing signs of a gradual decline, facebook especially so), and most new companies are moving elsewhere to places like Washington and North Carolina to avoid high taxes, as well as a brain drain with skilled workers themselves who don't want to pay the absurdly high cost of living.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/joelko...obs-are-far-from-silicon-valley/#58cc7ee7bed1
https://mashable.com/2017/12/06/why-they-leave-san-francisco-silicon-valley/

-Water shortages are affecting the states agricultural output, specifically in the Central Valley which is already heavily irrigated. Also don't give the whole "it rained last year therefore the drought is over" shtick, because that's not how long-term trends work and its an argument ironically used most frequently by climate change deniers.
http://www.slate.com/articles/techn...ulture_drought_and_climate_change_photos.html
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...entral-valley-sinking-farmers-deepwater-wells

-Tourism is being negatively affected by increasing forest fires amongst other factors. Higher-frequency forest fires in the future will likely cause long term decline overall. Also lets not forget a huge pull factor for tourism is hollywood itself.
https://www.usnews.com/news/us/arti...fires-threaten-wine-country-tourism-lifeblood
http://napavalleyregister.com/news/...cle_8dc39b7d-0f3c-52b4-8a22-6014ef28de98.html

All this paints a pretty grim picture in my opinion. What happens when these industries grind to a halt/move elsewhere? Who exactly does the government turn to revenue for then? Good luck hiking the taxes on the poor Mexican farmers and expecting them to not move elsewhere. Hell, a lot of them have moved to Texas and have already had better success due to a friendlier business climate (https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/...nics-the-lone-star-state-beats-the-golden-one). Yes, surprisingly enough, theres not much dignity to living life on government welfare and most people regardless of race/ethnicity would rather work for themselves than be given state handouts. Only they can't make a living for themselves in California due to the state's anti-business policies, so good luck getting them to foot the bill once you lose everything else.

TL:biggrin:R: California is fucked.

You have a point regarding water and tourism, are overly optimistic regarding the death of Hollywood (for example, YouTube is, if anything, becoming more Hollywood than it's ever been, as have many of the streaming services that aren't already controlled by the studios), and are completely wrong about the Bay Area.

Social media tech conglomerates may get all the media attention and influence VCs to fund increasingly silly tech startups, but for the most part they're just a horde of sticker programmers who can't code in anything more complicated than Ruby and cannot do anything technical without an IDE. The real wealth of Silicon Valley lies in the brain trust of networking and hardware companies that essentially built the modern internet and continue to extract royalties (either from patent licensing or support contracts) from every tech startup worth their salt. Companies like Cisco, Broadcom, Oracle, EMC, etc. Many of those companies have already been acquired by tech corporations outside the Bay Area (Broadcom is now headquartered in Singapore, EMC got bought by Dell), but if you ever see Cisco or Oracle pack up and downsize their Bay Area campuses, that's your sign that the region is going Detroit.
 
I genuinely believe that California will the next "rust belt" of America in 20 to 30 years. Here's my reasoning with additional sources if you wish to read up further:

-Hollywood is slowly collapsing due to the rise of new media and the decentralization of entertainment.
https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2016/06/hollywood-has-a-huge-millennial-problem/486209/
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...lion-stock-collapse-hollywood-s-picture-blurs

-SanFran-based Big Tech is becoming less relevant (Facebook and Google have peaked in popularity and are now showing signs of a gradual decline, facebook especially so), and most new companies are moving elsewhere to places like Washington and North Carolina to avoid high taxes, as well as a brain drain with skilled workers themselves who don't want to pay the absurdly high cost of living.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/joelko...obs-are-far-from-silicon-valley/#58cc7ee7bed1
https://mashable.com/2017/12/06/why-they-leave-san-francisco-silicon-valley/

-Water shortages are affecting the states agricultural output, specifically in the Central Valley which is already heavily irrigated. Also don't give the whole "it rained last year therefore the drought is over" shtick, because that's not how long-term trends work and its an argument ironically used most frequently by climate change deniers.
http://www.slate.com/articles/techn...ulture_drought_and_climate_change_photos.html
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...entral-valley-sinking-farmers-deepwater-wells

-Tourism is being negatively affected by increasing forest fires among other factors. Higher-frequency forest fires in the future will likely cause long term decline overall. Also lets not forget a huge pull factor for tourism is hollywood itself.
https://www.usnews.com/news/us/arti...fires-threaten-wine-country-tourism-lifeblood
http://napavalleyregister.com/news/...cle_8dc39b7d-0f3c-52b4-8a22-6014ef28de98.html

All this paints a pretty grim picture in my opinion. What happens when these industries grind to a halt/move elsewhere? Who exactly does the government turn to revenue for then? Good luck hiking the taxes on the poor Mexican farmers and expecting them to not move elsewhere. Hell, a lot of them have moved to Texas and have already had better success due to a friendlier business climate (https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/...nics-the-lone-star-state-beats-the-golden-one). Yes, surprisingly enough, there's not much dignity to living life on government welfare and most people regardless of race/ethnicity would rather work for themselves than be given state handouts. Only they can't make a living for themselves in California due to the state's anti-business policies, so good luck getting them to foot the bill once you lose everything else.

TL:biggrin:R: California is fucked.
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Get started on building that fucking wall between Cali and the rest of the country, tbh. No vaccines and lack of water treatment sounds like a great way to end up with some 19th century shit like a typhoid epidemic.

We don't want them frantically fleeing into the normal states.

Other than Monsanto being Monsanto what is the big deal about GMOs? I keep seeing all these commercials on TV about how this and that product are now GMO free. No one's growing six arms and legs from GMOs. It's just the next step after selective breeding. Modern day bananas are all mutant clones anyway. That apple Eve ate was probably some sad, sour little fruit. Nothing we eat today looks like it was thousands of years ago. We've selectively bred all our produce into the form it has now taken. Now with GMOs we can make stronger, better crops. There are some risks to certain pollinating insects. But it's not some evil plot by Big Agriculture.
 
So where do I go to sign this petition? I'm worried they won't get enough signatures, and I really want it to move forward, because it sounds hilarious
 
Social media tech conglomerates may get all the media attention and influence VCs to fund increasingly silly tech startups, but for the most part they're just a horde of sticker programmers who can't code in anything more complicated than Ruby and cannot do anything technical without an IDE. The real wealth of Silicon Valley lies in the brain trust of networking and hardware companies that essentially built the modern internet and continue to extract royalties (either from patent licensing or support contracts) from every tech startup worth their salt. Companies like Cisco, Broadcom, Oracle, EMC, etc. Many of those companies have already been acquired by tech corporations outside the Bay Area (Broadcom is now headquartered in Singapore, EMC got bought by Dell), but if you ever see Cisco or Oracle pack up and downsize their Bay Area campuses, that's your sign that the region is going Detroit.

Yes, in other words its companies who got in at the right time and are able to extract wealth out of everyone else by virtue of being a de-facto rentier-class. However, my main point was not so much these companies being run into the ground by the state, but rather them being out competed in the long-term by companies who can create new infrastructure in areas which are being underserved by the status-quo and who's state governments don't try to fuck with business. Having a greater concentration of power in one place is good provided said-status-quo remains the same for a long period of time, but older larger companies that are resistant to change will always lose out in the long-term, and they know it, which is why they're increasingly having to rely on the state to prop them up.

Anyhow, I dont want to make this too off-topic, but IMO legacy wealth is really all California has going for it at the moment, which wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing if not for the fact that there will be nothing to replace it when it all goes away.
 
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They banned complimentary shopping bags. It is now ten cents per bag. In general if you see something in the news that is implausible it is best not to take it at face value even if it confirms your preconceptions.

LOL, people actually believe that we banned plastic bags? We still use plastic bags, guys. We just have to pay ten cents for them.
 
what is the big deal about GMOs?
The only real major issue is the bullshit "copyrighting life" stuff to me. Fucking over farmers not being able to grow their own crops and such because they don't have the "rights" to grow the seed. Fuck that shit.
Reminds me of Disney, coasting off the Public Domain then locking everything the fuck down.
 
The only real major issue is the bullshit "copyrighting life" stuff to me. Fucking over farmers not being able to grow their own crops and such because they don't have the "rights" to grow the seed. Fuck that shit.
Reminds me of Disney, coasting off the Public Domain then locking everything the fuck down.

Ever had a tangerine? You've had a GMO. Ever had wheat? You've had a GMO. Corn? GMO. To solve starvation in India, they didn't have CRISPR or any real gene tech in the 1960s. So what they did was bomb wheat seeds with radiation to see what good random mutations they would get. They got strong wheat. GMO. All dog breeds ever? GMOs.

GMOs are a boogeyman invented by stupid fucking hippies who don't understand biology. But that shouldn't come as a surprise with the 56 gender nonsense and women are phyiscally the same as men.

But @Sovietmongler is right. The only real concern over GMOs is seed rights and self-terminating seeds. Monsanto has seeds that will not reproduce themselves, so you have to keep buying them. And if you get one with a random mutation, you better pray to God they don't notice (which they will). They also have round-up ready (glyphosphate) resistant seeds too. Which again, you have to keep buying and even buy a license for. If the seeds travel (which seeds are designed to do) and they end up on some other farmer's land who didn't buy them and they grow there, they will sue you. Not even joking. Monsanto hires people who goes to farms and take genetic samples to see if you are 'stealing' their 'intellectual property'.

The problem is cross-breeding. The round-up ready resistance gene has already been found in wild plants, so it is spreading on its own. Which calls into question: if your IP escapes into nature easily, how much longer can you claim that to be your intellectual property? Since no one owns those wild plants, does the IP holder? Or does the guy on the land now own it? These are questions Monsanto does not want answered and GMOs and Bioethics are going to become a huge deal in the near future.
 
The only real major issue is the bullshit "copyrighting life" stuff to me. Fucking over farmers not being able to grow their own crops and such because they don't have the "rights" to grow the seed. Fuck that shit.
Reminds me of Disney, coasting off the Public Domain then locking everything the fuck down.
It's patent seed. Not copyright. Patents last 25-ish years. Most of the popular seed patents (Roundup Ready, bt, etc) are going to come off patent in the next ten years. Some, like RR canola, already are.

Also, American farmers aren't getting fucked. They willingly buy seed (GMO, patented hybrid, or conventional) from seed companies or cooperative associations. No farmer using modern techniques is saving seed to replant next year. That shit is for third-world backward peasants.

The way this works is a seed company spends a shit ton of money developing a seed by splicing, breeding, selecting, harvesting, treating, and distributing. All with the end goal of having a seed better than other seeds. To have an economic benefit for farmers who use it. Why, exactly, shouldn't they be able to charge a premium for them? The farmers don't have to buy it. If they don't see the benefit of buying the premium seed they can just go to the local cooperative and buy non-patent seed. They have options. It's not like there is only one choice here.

The only real concern over GMOs is seed rights and self-terminating seeds. Private Villa of Corrupted Crops has seeds that will not reproduce themselves, so you have to keep buying them.
First, nobody saves seed anyways. Second, "terminator seeds" were never brought to market.

And if you get one with a random mutation, you better pray to God they don't notice (which they will). They also have round-up ready (glyphosphate) resistant seeds too. Which again, you have to keep buying and even buy a license for. If the seeds travel (which seeds are designed to do) and they end up on some other farmer's land who didn't buy them and they grow there, they will sue you. Not even joking. Private Villa of Corrupted Crops hires people who goes to farms and take genetic samples to see if you are 'stealing' their 'intellectual property'.

It's pretty fucking obvious who is abusing patents. You don't spray a field planted in conventional seed with glyphosate. It kills the crop. Then, if you harvest the plants that survive and replant it next year you deserve to get fucking sued. That's exactly what that anti-GMO hero Percy Schmeiser did. It wasn't an innocent thing. It was intentional and he lost that case fucking hard. He was a thief.

And, for the last fucking time, no farmers in their right mind save seed. They buy it from seed companies because purchased seeds are better. It is worth the money to buy it. This has been true for almost 100 years.
 
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Thanks, didn't know all that and that guy was a fraud.

(Still, Monsanto can suck my cock)

(Unless they eventually give me a job)

(Then they can still suck my cock)
 
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Thanks, didn't know all that and that guy was a fraud.

(Still, Private Villa of Corrupted Crops can suck my cock)

(Unless they eventually give me a job)

(Then they can still suck my cock)
That's the thing Monsanto is only one of the big players (and even then they are only about as big a company as Whole Foods). There are like five major players in seeds and about two dozen smaller ones. Nobody who supposedly cares about this can name any of them, which I find hilarious. It truly shows how shallow and ill-informed most people are.

The kicker is that the company was primarily a chemical company up until it bought the GMO seed company DeKalb in the 90's. They are the ones that came up with a lot of the RR stuff. Then they were merged/bought/amalgamated into Pfizer and they spun off the ag division (which was essentially the newly bought seed companies and their glyphosate business) to form the company that exists today.

I think this is all just butthurt legacy from the 60's when they landed on the filthy fucking hippies naughty list by supplying chemicals for Operation Ranch Hand. They are like Haliburton, Exxon-Mobil, Walmart, or the NRA. The very name makes them start spouting the most retarded half-truths and conspiracy theories. This isn't the first time a chemical or technology developed by them has been smeared either. All of the aspartame 'sperging pretty much the same shit as they invented Nutri-Sweet.
 
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