Disaster AEMO says emergency powers to switch off solar needed in every state amid 'system collapse' fears - Turns out solar isn't great for grid stability.

By energy reporter Daniel Mercer
Sun 1 Dec

In short:​

The Australian Energy Market Operator wants "emergency backstop" powers to switch off or turn down rooftop solar systems in every state.

AEMO says the powers are needed by next year for extreme situations as it grapples with ever-increasing amounts of rooftop solar output.

What's next?​

The agency says there are better ways to keep the grid stable than switching off solar but the powers are needed as a back-up.

The body responsible for keeping the lights on in Australia's biggest electricity grids wants emergency powers to switch off or throttle rooftop solar in every state to help cope with the daily flood of output from millions of systems.

In a report released on Monday morning, the Australian Energy Market Operator said "emergency backstop" powers were urgently needed to ensure solar installations could be turned down — or off — in extreme circumstances.

They would be used only when all other options were "exhausted", AEMO said, and carried out by the network poles-and-wires companies in each state.

Such powers already exist in some states such as South Australia, Western Australia, Victoria and parts of Queensland.

But AEMO said they needed to be extended to all states by next year as the amount of rooftop solar reached ever greater levels and the risks to the security of the grid became critical.

"The emergency periods where this kind of intervention is required should remain infrequent, but essential for maintaining a secure and reliable supply of electricity for customers," AEMO wrote.

A solar tsunami​

There are now more than four million rooftop solar systems installed across the country on households and businesses.

Small-scale solar was sometimes meeting about half of the entire demand in the national electricity market, which supplies more than 10 million customers across the eastern seaboard.

It was even higher in some states.

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At times, more rooftop solar power is being produced in Adelaide than the city can use. (ABC News: Che Chorley)

In South Australia, for example, rooftop solar was periodically supplying more than 100 per cent of the state's demand, with surpluses being exported to other states.

What's more, AEMO said that "in the next few years", the share of demand being met by rooftop solar — for the entire system — could be as high as 90 per cent at times.

At no time would that effect be more obvious than spring, when solar output would soar as the days grew longer and sunnier but demand was subdued as mild temperatures meant people would leave their air conditioners switched off.

AEMO said the ever growing output from solar was posing an increasing threat to the safety and security of the grid because it was pushing out all other forms of generation that were needed to help keep the system stable.

And it warned that unless it had the power to reduce — or curtail — the amount of rooftop solar times, more drastic and damaging measures would need to be taken.

These could include increasing the voltage levels in parts of the poles-and-wires network to "deliberately" trip or curtail small-scale solar in some areas.

An even more dramatic step would be to "shed" or dump parts of the poles-and-wires network feeding big amounts of excess solar into the grid.

"If sufficient backstop capability is not available … the NEM may be operating insecure for extended periods," the agency wrote in the report.

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There is now so much solar power at times, it's threatening to overload the grid. (ABC News: Rhiannon Shine)

"(It may) therefore be operating outside of the risk tolerances specified in the National Electricity Rules, where the loss of a single transmission or generation element may lead to reliance on emergency control schemes to prevent system collapse.

"This places customers at elevated risk of system collapse.

"The ability to restore the system following a black system event may also be compromised at times of very high distributed PV (rooftop solar) generation."

The physics problem​

At the heart of the concerns about Australia's occasional over-abundance of solar is a technical phenomenon known as minimum demand.

The term refers to the demand for power from the grid.

Necessarily, it excludes the demand that is met by rooftop solar panels — so-called behind-the-meter sources of supply that are provided by customers themselves.

When the amount of rooftop solar in Australia was immaterial, it wasn't a problem.

The proportion of demand for power being met by solar was tiny, and conventional generators such as coal- and gas-fired plants carried on almost totally unaffected.

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Coal plants such as Eraring are being squeezed out, but they still provide essential services. (AAP/Greenpeace)

But as the amount of small-scale solar has grown to truly monumental levels, the dent it has put in demand for power from the grid has become equally large.

Rooftop solar is now such a dominant force in the system, at times, it is pushing the minimum level of demand for power from the grid to critically low levels.

According to AEMO, this was a physical problem for the grid.

At the moment, it said conventional generators such as coal- and gas-fired plants still provided the services that helped make the electricity strong and stable.

Like riding a 'shaky bike'​

These included inertia, the physical property that made balancing a moving bicycle easier than a stationary one, and "system strength", which helped maintain the heartbeat of the grid.

Coal and gas plants provided these services as a by-product of their physical state — they used big pieces of spinning metal to generate electricity.

Nevertheless, AEMO said these physical properties were invaluable to the grid and helped it ride through shocks such as the sudden and unexpected loss of a major generator or a high-voltage transmission line.

While conventional plants could turn down their output during the middle of the day when solar generation was greatest — and wholesale power prices were lowest — coal in particular struggled to cut production below a minimum amount.

Below this floor, the coal plant often had to be switched off entirely.

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By contrast, clean energy sources such as wind turbines, solar panels and batteries typically did not provide system security services.

Alex Wonhas, a former executive at AEMO, recently summed up the problem.

"The minimum demand problem typically happens in the middle of the day on weekend days when you have a lot of solar output but maybe not a lot of demand," Dr Wonhas said.

"At that time, the electricity grid effectively becomes a little bit unstable.

"It's a little like cycling on your bicycle when it's moving very slowly — the inertial forces of the bicycle become less and it's really very difficult to keep it straight.

"That's the same challenge of operating an energy system during those periods of time.

"You have to either increase the load (demand) during that time to make it more stable or you have to basically reduce the solar output or other output."

Solutions required: AEMO​

In its report, AEMO said there were "a range" of solutions to the challenges posed by excess solar in the system.

Among them was a reduction in the minimum operating levels required by coal-fired plants or investment in kit, such as "synchronous condensers", that could replicate their system security functions.

Similarly, new inverters — the technology that connected clean energy sources such as solar panels and batteries to the grid — were able to provide synthetic versions of these services.

But AEMO also suggested efforts could be made to increase demand for power in the middle of the day to capitalise on cheap, abundant solar generation in those times.

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The market operator warns one option for throttling solar is to dump entire "feeder" lines. (ABC News: Brant Cumming)

And the agency said storage such as batteries would help to "move energy from daytime periods to other periods, increasing demand when required particularly during emergency conditions".

Unlike large-scale generators from coal plants to hydro-electric generators, AEMO noted the output from rooftop solar had typically flowed into the system in a more or less uncontrolled way.

But AEMO said rooftop solar was now such as major force in the electricity system, it could no longer be hands-off in its approach to output in certain, extreme conditions.

"AEMO can, and does, control large scale generation to manage security limits through dispatch in the electricity markets," it wrote.

"[But] it is not possible at present to do this for most small scale generators like rooftop solar.

"Now that rooftop PV is supplying more than half the grid at times, this requires introduction of a new 'emergency backstop' mechanism.

"[This will] allow rooftop PV systems to be curtailed or turned off briefly if necessary in rare emergency conditions, similar to the capabilities normally required of any large scale generator."

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Get solar power in your home, it'll reduce dependency on the electrical grid.

No, not like that!
If you actually have an off-grid system, you won't be affected by this. The remote shutoff is only for morons who prepaid their electric bill for the next 20 years of sunny days and is absolutely critical for grid stability.
 
If you actually have an off-grid system, you won't be affected by this. The remote shutoff is only for morons who prepaid their electric bill for the next 20 years of sunny days and is absolutely critical for grid stability.
Who let them prepay their bill that far out?
 
Who let them prepay their bill that far out?
That's what buying grid-connected solar is. If you're not rich enough to pay cash, you also get the benefit of paying interest on your "electric bill".

The vast majority of urban rooftop solar is just a way to virtue signal; the houses aren't energy-independent and rely on the non-green grid for power whenever it isn't sunny (or for richer people, when the battery dies after a few hours).

If they were actually independent, they wouldn't whine whenever net-metering is abolished because if they never draw from the grid, why would they care what price the power company charges for electricity?

A truly independent solar system with the reliability of the grid is incredibly expensive, which is why off-grid people either tolerate outages, have a lifestyle that uses very little power, or have a backup generator. Using fuel for heat and vehicles also helps reduce electric load, but urban greenies want electric heat and cars.
 
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That's what buying grid-connected solar is.
That makes no sense. If I'm incentivized to buy into grid connected solar then the electric company can't come in afterwards and say "oh, never mind, this isn't working the way we said it would."

And if the engineers who designed the system didn't have the foresight to think that maybe it would be wildly popular and there might be a problem if most people get on board with it, then next time hire better systems engineers.
 
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The only time I've ever found solar power being useful anywhere was in SimCity 3000 and even then it's still shit compared to other power sources in the game.
 
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The only time I've ever found solar power being useful anywhere was in SimCity 3000 and even then it's still shit compared to other power sources in the game.
You don't want fossil fuels, you don't want nuclear, you wanted solar but found it works too well somehow, and here we are.

Maybe they should get those bicycle generator set ups the VC had in their tunnels in every house.
 
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I wish we had that problem back in january. Alberta(Canada) was under a grid alert because the demand was outstripping the supply because the natural gas plants was down and everybody had to run their heat and plug their cars in when it was minus 40 out. the previous dipshit(rachel notley) went all in by shutting down our coal fire plants, so we couldn't use those, and those lovely wind turbines that popped up everywhere during that time put out jack shit, because it turns out wind power doesn't work when its minus forty out! Saskatchewan had to bail us out of that clusterfuck., because they didn't elect a bunch of dicklipped mongoloids and kept the coal power plants going.
The vast majority of urban rooftop solar is just a way to virtue signal; the houses aren't energy-independent and rely on the grid for power whenever it isn't sunny (or for richer people, when the battery dies after a few hours).
You know whats even funnier? If you're in a city like Calgary, you just get absolutely raped on fee's i saw a predditer crying about this that in spite of only using 7$ worth of electricity, they got slammed with about 112$ in service charges
 
That makes no sense. If I'm incentivized to buy into grid connected solar then the electric company can't come in afterwards and say "oh, never mind, this isn't working the way we said it would."

And if the engineers who designed the system didn't have the foresight to think that maybe it would be wildly popular and there might be a problem if most people get on board with it, then next time hire better systems engineers.
The engineers didn't say anything. Politicians said it was a good idea and forced the power company to accept the power. It's a disaster, which is why every country in the world is backtracking on it; some though financial means like California where they got rid of the net-metering subsidy making it unaffordable to most and some through non-financial means like Australia demanding remote control of rooftop solar as if it was a commercial generator (this article).
You know whats even funnier? If you're in a city like Calgary, you just get absolutely raped on fee's i saw a predditer crying about this that in spite of only using 7$ worth of electricity, they got slammed with about 112$ in service charges
https://www.reddit.com/r/Calgary/comments/16g4ypc/my_latest_enmax_bill_shows_i_only_paid_7_for/
Turns out maintaining the grid is expensive and when you aren't paying for electricity for much of the day, those costs have to be made up somewhere else. No sympathy for dumb greens who didn't do their math.
 
I suspect the unstated "problem" here is the potential lack of tax dollars coming as people potentially become more self sufficient.

My mid term plan is to disconnect from both gas and electricity suppliers.
 
Solar is the least effective most costly energy production. The panels are expensive as dick and they break constantly due to weather, it’s a cloudy day today? Piss off. Hail? Better waste tax payer money. If you don’t have wagie with the dust broom out there every hour to sweep off the panels then you’re not running at maximum efficiency.
 
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