Age of Consent

It's definitely a workable approach. Let's say someone is having sex with a 14-year-old. Does the age of the person in question make a difference? Sure, it does. If that person is 16 then that's not a big gap, and I'd argue they're doing what teenagers are driven to do. Now what if that person is 30? I think we'd hold the 30-year-old to a higher standard. It's an arbitrary thing, yet the two situations are quite different. I'd say AoC laws make sense, with the idea being they should protect minors from being exploited. With adults we should assume informed agency unless there are very specific reasons to think otherwise, such as if one part is of legal age but mentally, and quite obviously, of a far younger mental age.

That is rampant and unforgiveable ageism, you're being discriminatory to older people. We build this world for you. We invented the internet and coca-cola and automobiles. We fought and died in wars such as Vietnam War, Korea War, probably others, to safeguard democracy and freedom and create a kick-ass nation for you to live in, and our reward is that we should be banned from banging 14-year-olds while you're allowed to? Nuts to that, I say! That's blatant ageist discrimination and furthermore it's disrespectful to war veterans and patently ingrateful for all the sacrifices we've made for you and your snivelling 'millennial' generation. We bled and suffered in the trenches of Desert Storm so that you could tweet selfies and hashtag #YOLO and bang fourteen year olds in freedom and security, and your response is to strip us of the very rights we gave you? You sir, are a bigot no different from Adolf Hitler himself.
 
It seems to be that 16 would be best, however stats indicate that one third of people have their first experience by 16 and 16% of kids have it by 15, so about 17% engage in sex between 15 and 16, so perhaps 15 would be a better number just to avoid sending people to jail who did things with other people who were willing and informed participants.

http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/FB-ATSRH.html

One thing that is closely related to this topic is CP. I teach a course in technology and society and a hot button issue is the trading of "nudes" and what the government response when kids do it should be. While I think this is the number one reason why there should be iPhones sold without camera devices built-in, that currently is not the case and 25% of CP is user-created. When the creator is a child, should the child be subject to the same charges as an older man who took pictures or video of a child in the same positions? I do not believe so, but the law is such that the child would be tried by the same laws, and these laws are so harsh that prosecutors will decline charging teens because the punishment would ruin the rest of their life (long prison terms and lifetime SOR). On the other side of the coin, what about old men who coerce young kids into doing these things. See the story below to read about the upstanding older gentleman who coerced children over the Internet to do things with dogs. It seems to me that This guy who could likely only be tried for possession should be locked up with Nick Bate, not the kid who makes a mistake, however how can kids be taught that actions have consequences without making the consequences so harsh that their lives are ruined? The law really needs to catch up with technology.

http://www.postcrescent.com/story/n...5/02/20/teen-sexting-rise-wisconsin/23691927/
 
If she wants to perform bass2mouth, then that is well in her rights to do so, and I can't make her choose otherwise.
 
I don't really see AoC laws coming into play at all for couples who are just 2-3 years separated by the AoC. Where I live It's 17, and I can think of plenty of couples who have been 18/16 for example freely being in a relationship and having sex with no repercussions. Now for larger age gaps it is always called to attention.

I don't know, AOC laws are absolutely necessary to (try to) prevent creepy people from doing creepy things but whenever I see others talking about it as if it affects teenage couples... does it ever, realistically?
 
I don't know, AOC laws are absolutely necessary to (try to) prevent creepy people from doing creepy things but whenever I see others talking about it as if it affects teenage couples... does it ever, realistically?

Yes. There are numerous such cases that have often been cited when passing so-called "Romeo & Juliet" laws to protect such couples. Absolutely ludicrous and atrocious prosecutions have been made when, for instance, the girl has prominent parents who hate the boy, or for some other reason (like it's an interracial couple), some backward jurisdiction goes after it aggressively.
 
Age of consent laws as they exist currently are terribly inexact and arbitrary, but something like them is needed to prevent the Jimmy Pages and the Warren Jeffses and the Bryan Singers of the world from abusing teenagers. Sleazy as his behavior is, I don't think Tyga should be sent to prison for dating or having sex with Kylie Jenner even if she was sixteen when they started having sex. Bryan Singer I'm significantly less charitable towards, since he's twice Tyga's age and clearly has a predatory pattern with sixteen, seventeen, and eighteen year old boys when he isn't busy drugging and raping them. Jimmy Page, Bryan Singer, and Chuck Berry absolutely need to be locked away in the same cell as Warren Jeffs.

Another thing I believe is that age of sexual consent and age of consent for performing in the sex industry should not be the same thing. Being a sex worker is a very intense job, and people aren't ready for it at the same age they're ready to just have sex.

I don't know what the best option is. Really, the whole thing'll be a much clearer issue as sexuality and neurology are better understood. All we can do now is ensure the maximum number of predators are locked away or killed and the minimum number of innocent, or sleazy but not evil, people meet the same fates.
 
It's a difficult issue, for the simple reason that different people mature at different rates. Taken on a case-by-case basis, you could probably argue in favour of raising or lowering the age of consent. I know plenty of people over the age of consent (16 in Britain, where I am) who probably shouldn't be having sex.
For instance, I know this one guy who's 24, gay, autistic, epileptic and, to be entirely frank, pretty retarded. I'd say his mental age is closer to 13. He's also very promiscuous, and his "boyfriends" tend to be extremely skeezy, much older guys. He's convinced that he's some kind of superhunk (he's not - he's actually quite odd-looking and skinny in a "for God's sake eat something" kind of way), but it's very obvious that the reason he gets laid so much is because he's emotionally immature and gets taken advantage of. The one time I've met one of his "boyfriends" in person, the guy wouldn't even look me in the eye. And we're all a bit worried, because we don't know what else is going on. Is he taking precautions? Is he being pressured into doing things he doesn't want to do? Is he being emotionally manipulated?

TL;DR - the guy is well over the age of consent, but the age of consent does not adequately offer protection in this case.
 
I think that age of consent laws inadvertently lead to those closely above them being more subject to victimization due to the creation of a sense of them being forbidden. I think that age of consent laws are necessary for stopping victimization but the age of consent should be raised to 21 so that those who are at the age of consent will be able to avoid being victimized.
 
I think that age of consent laws inadvertently lead to those closely above them being more subject to victimization due to the creation of a sense of them being forbidden. I think that age of consent laws are necessary for stopping victimization but the age of consent should be raised to 21 so that those who are at the age of consent will be able to avoid being victimized.
Who the fuck let ADK back to Deep Thoughts?
 
Who the fuck let ADK back to Deep Thoughts?
Technically off topic, but its a fair question so I'll answer. @Flowers For Sonichu felt that three months was long enough to make the point clear. If @autisticdragonkin strays into shallow thoughts/baiting/off topic discussions here again the shallow thoughts ban will be permanent.
 
Age of consent? Whoof you guys like to lay out the minefields don'tcha?

So as a number of folks are noting there seems to be some confusion as to why they hover at 16-18 when sexual agency seems to vary from person to person.

Welp, until the 1880s-1890s the norm of consent was actually between 10-13, with Delaware’s ago of conset being just 7 right up to the 1890s.

Now, the Victorian Era is the xenith of british power so of course it’s both Britain being the problem and solution to the situation. The age of consent in the UK had been at 12, as it had been for pretty much forever.

Much like today, London was a den of vice and iniquity, with Opium houses still riddling the city, and drugs freely available. There were also prostitutes. Lots of them,and not all of them were willing members of this trade, and trade was very good. To the point demand (largely blame on continental visitors and buyers) was outstripping supply.

Cue one William Thomas Stead, a journalist who highlighted the concern thanks to a publicity stunt. Rather than writing a single story in an issue of Pall Mall Magazine, he sensationalized the whole thing, most possibly drumming the issue up to a much vaster scale. He spoke of children as young as 12 being sold to madams before being drugged and coercively raped. Before being further coerced into remaining in the business due to the fact they were friendless and likely still befuddled by drugs.

The outrage caused by this scandal nearly lead to rioting in London, the Home Secretary had to intervene begging Stead to stop publishing lest he cause more upheaval.

Ultimately, the Criminal Law Amendment Act of 1885 raised the age of consent right up to 16, and further tightening issues surrounding prostitution and reforming law regarding rape. This was followed fairly swiftly via copycat movements in the United States (Who were more prudish than the Victorian British) seeing ages of consent changed to 16 else 18 dependant on the state.

Nowadays we can see that slight change in attitude again, namely that we note that sexuality is a lot more complicated than the arbitrary numbers we ascribe via legislation. Exceptions have been made (such as the Romeo and Juliet clauses) and our understanding and education is a lot more comprehensive (albeit still very patchy).

For me, 16 with Romeo and Juliet Laws seem the most sensible balance, but we also have to note that this is a relatively recent concept in terms of human civilization and we do appear on the cusp of either another liberalization or some initially feeble attempts at trying to return these laws to their “historical norm”.

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We will have to at the very least, keep an eye on these groups that support this attempted position arguing on the side of history or oppression, the VPDF, the wider SJW network.

While we may laugh at them for now, we should note that people laughed at other groups that were initially seen as extreme, e.g those proposing prohibition etc. Until they were able to wield completely disproportionate influence within media outlets and elsewhere.

We can already see those sparks happening now, with some members of this weird clique of the dispossessed able to wield large power within the media sphere.

So, we should do what we do. Observe, collect, and archive what we need to, ensure that information is available for those who google such things and ensure we can keep such an important law safe.
 
Since one of the factors in Age of Consent laws is to protect people from making choices that could harm them due to not being fully developed, does anyone besides me find it strange that its set at 18 and not 25, when the brain of humans on average is said to be have finished developing if we're to follow that logic?: http://mentalhealthdaily.com/2015/02/18/at-what-age-is-the-brain-fully-developed/

Though where I sit, if you're considered old enough to die for your country in war and vote, then you should also be old enough to drink, smoke, gamble and fuck.
 
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