Agnostics slowly edging toward being religious. - There isn't a god, I guess?

[Male Idiot]

What most people don't understand is that we live in a very supernatural world. You can figure this out one of two ways. You can investigate it yourself and discover the truth of the spirit world and the divine or have it revealed to you over time from life experiences. Once you realize that strict scientism is horse shit, you should naturally come back to some kind of religious belief because there is really no other explanation for how that added layer of the world that surrounds us came into existence.

As such, atheists to me then fall into a few different groups. Oblivious or ignorant people are who are not really curious about the world but just go with what current authority tells them is truth, losers with no life experience who think they know it all but don't, people who find that suggestions of there being more to the world frightening and then latch on to atheist nihilism as some kind of weird cope, and fourth is people who just choose atheism as a their replacement-religion for social-political reasons to fill in the gap in their mind left by lack of religious belief. The fact atheists are so obnoxious is a manifestation of some of these personality types.

I ask any religious person to tell me how they do their secret spells.

Just let me summon a single little ghost.

 

[InwardsStink]

I think following atheist leaders is as dumb as following church leaders. I had a girlfriend at the time who was really into Dawkins and Hitchens and I always cringed when they were brought up in discussion. My belief never relied upon these people and I always cringed when other atheists would quote them.

I’ll be fair and say there are a lot of atheists who are only atheists because of external influence. Personally though, I knew myself to be one far before it was fashionable and I have remained one far after it was fashionable. I think that is a true test of one’s actual belief.

 

[The Great Chandler]

Religious belief breaks down into one's tendency towards either nihilism or desire for meaning. Rejection of religion is rejection of meaning. Acceptance of religion is rejection of nihilism.

All the stuff about "proving God exists" is all copes. Yea, of course you can't prove he exists, no fucking shit.

And bear in mind that someone can be extremely religious despite hating and rejecting what we view as traditional religions like Christianity. The cult of wokeshit is a modern day religious movement. Those who adhere zealously to it are people who rejected Christianity and other traditional forms of spirituality, yet still harbored a deep need for meaning in life. They turned to the cult of leftism to provide that meaning.

To quote Dyson:

Science and religion are two windows that people look through, trying to understand the big universe outside, trying to understand why we are here. The two windows give different views, but they look out at the same universe. Both views are one-sided, neither is complete. Both leave out essential features of the real world. And both are worthy of respect. Trouble arises when either science or religion claims universal jurisdiction, when either religious or scientific dogma claims to be infallible. Religious creationists and scientific materialists are equally dogmatic and insensitive. By their arrogance they bring both science and religion into disrepute. The media exaggerate their numbers and importance. The media rarely mention the fact that the great majority of religious people belong to moderate denominations that treat science with respect, or the fact that the great majority of scientists treat religion with respect so long as religion does not claim jurisdiction over scientific questions.

 

[gang weeder]

I think following atheist leaders is as dumb as following church leaders. I had a girlfriend at the time who was really into Dawkins and Hitchens and I always cringed when they were brought up in discussion. My belief never relied upon these people and I always cringed when other atheists would quote them.

I’ll be fair and say there are a lot of atheists who are only atheists because of external influence. Personally though, I knew myself to be one far before it was fashionable and I have remained one far after it was fashionable. I think that is a true test of one’s actual belief.

Very impressive fedora tipping credentials there. Now do tell me, how do you tell right from wrong?

 

[InwardsStink]

Very impressive fedora tipping credentials there. Now do tell me, how do you tell right from wrong?

Oh fuck off. I’m sick of this “you have to have religion to know right from wrong” bullshit. It’s called empathy and I don’t need god to give that to me.

 

[Aero the Alcoholic Bat]

Gonna sperg here for a minute.

As a religious person, I'm convinced that in the face of new atheism, atheism+, secular humanism, or solid atheist, anti-religious movements in general, religious people got the last laugh. Yes, even evangelicals and fundamentalists.

You make fun of people for holding deep, religious beliefs. For living by a code of morality that springs from those religious beliefs, and for thinking that it may be a good idea for others to do the same. And last but not least, you scold many of them for holding conservative or right wing beliefs, and you wrest the scriptures to tell them they're horrible people and that Jebus would disapprove of it....despite having a hate boner for said religion or said god.

An increasingly secular world hasn't gotten less superstitious, less religious, less fanatical.

You can hardly argue that in the face of people who believe in an intrinsic "gender identity" that justifies themselves cutting themselves up and removing themselves from the gene pool.

Nor with those who are willing to martyr themselves for the sake of their right to diddle or mutilate kids.

You can't argue that in the face of those who believe in an original sin in regards to white people and white people alone.

Nor with those who are still obsessive about being able to kill their own children despite the actual Molech cult being discredited for centuries, or even millennia. Those who are so devoted to infanticide that they terrorize pregnancy centers that seek to reduce abortion by merely providing alternatives to it.

Nor with those who are so fucking obsessed with vague concepts like "diversity" or "equity" that they ignore anything else that matters.

Nor climate change cultists who ignore the miriad of ways in which we are destroying the planet other than the fact that our machines belch out carbon dioxide, literal plant food.

Humans need religion. Hell, if all the shit I listed off isn't proof of God existing, it's certainly proof that Satan does.

 

[Mothra1988]

I wish gods were real, but I doubt they are.

If they are, they hate whitey and are likely jewish so not a good thing.

Religion is an opium the masses deseperately need, and I think many will go insane without it. See woke.

I ask any religious person to tell me how they do their secret spells.

Just let me summon a single little ghost.

It's always hilarious to me how little daylight there is between fedora tipping redditors and retarded stormfags. Imagine hating Jesus over your crippling Jew autism. lol It's almost like they are the same group of losers with very minor differences.

The biggest danger is getting scared because of this and joining sects and dumb cults

People that have joined a cult would have been doing dumb shit otherwise. It's all about your willpower and ability to exert self control and self awareness. Stupid people will always do stupid things. Bad people will alwasy try to manipualate stupid people. That includes stupid people and bad people with more knowledge about things related to the occcult or the divine.

Gonna sperg here for a minute.

As a religious person, I'm convinced that in the face of new atheism, atheism+, secular humanism, or solid atheist, anti-religious movements in general, religious people got the last laugh. Yes, even evangelicals and fundamentalists.

You make fun of people for holding deep, religious beliefs. For living by a code of morality that springs from those religious beliefs, and for thinking that it may be a good idea for others to do the same. And last but not least, you scold many of them for holding conservative or right wing beliefs, and you wrest the scriptures to tell them they're horrible people and that Jebus would disapprove of it....despite having a hate boner for said religion or said god.

An increasingly secular world hasn't gotten less superstitious, less religious, less fanatical.

You can hardly argue that in the face of people who believe in an intrinsic "gender identity" that justifies themselves cutting themselves up and removing themselves from the gene pool.

Nor with those who are willing to martyr themselves for the sake of their right to diddle or mutilate kids.

You can't argue that in the face of those who believe in an original sin in regards to white people and white people alone.

Nor with those who are still obsessive about being able to kill their own children despite the actual Molech cult being discredited for centuries, or even millennia. Those who are so devoted to infanticide that they terrorize pregnancy centers that seek to reduce abortion by merely providing alternatives to it.

Nor with those who are so fucking obsessed with vague concepts like "diversity" or "equity" that they ignore anything else that matters.

Nor climate change cultists who ignore the miriad of ways in which we are destroying the planet other than the fact that our machines belch out carbon dioxide, literal plant food.

Humans need religion. Hell, if all the shit I listed off isn't proof of God existing, it's certainly proof that Satan does.

The truth is non-religious people are by far and large STUPID, but they think they aren't due to a false sense of superiority. For years, it was blasted by atheists that the the world was ruined by "people clutching their guns and religion" and they would save the universe as soon as they got power. However, as soon as they gain power, there is a literal government brain drain and everything falls apart in a stupendous fashion. We have literal god-hating members of congress who would like to regulate COW FARTS to fight global warming. These people are fucking dumb. Nihilism is for losers, and losers have zero wisdom or street smarts.

 

[Esau]

The truth is non-religious people are by far and large STUPID, but they think they aren't due to a false sense of superiority. For years, it was blasted by atheists that the the world was ruined by "people clutching their guns and religion" and they would save the universe as soon as they got power. However, as soon as they gain power, there is a literal government brain drain and everything falls apart in a stupendous fashion. We have literal god-hating members of congress who would like to regulate COW FARTS to fight global warming. These people are fucking dumb. Nihilism is for losers, and losers have zero wisdom or street smarts.

Most of them aren't stupid: we are simply living in an irreligious society which ignores or outright debases spirituality. It's not their fault that they haven't heard the name of Christ. Give some levity to your breath.


When those types do experience religion, it's usually relegated to pseudo-christian cults like the Jehovah's Witnesses: when I've spoken to atheists who've attended JW meetings, they did not even understand that JW's deny the deity of Jesus.

 

[Narcotics]

I've always thought that a higher something/someone has to exist and we won't ever be able to truly comprehend it. sometimes it's alright to say "i don't know how or why this happens" to the many unanswered questions about life and the universe.

 

[DicksOutForKiwigglers]

What most people don't understand is that we live in a very supernatural world. You can figure this out one of two ways. You can investigate it yourself and discover the truth of the spirit world and the divine or have it revealed to you over time from life experiences. Once you realize that strict scientism is horse shit, you should naturally come back to some kind of religious belief because there is really no other explanation for how that added layer of the world that surrounds us came into existence.

As such, atheists to me then fall into a few different groups. Oblivious or ignorant people are who are not really curious about the world but just go with what current authority tells them is truth, losers with no life experience who think they know it all but don't, people who find that suggestions of there being more to the world frightening and then latch on to atheist nihilism as some kind of weird cope, and fourth is people who just choose atheism as a their replacement-religion for social-political reasons to fill in the gap in their mind left by lack of religious belief. The fact atheists are so obnoxious is a manifestation of some of these personality types.

This describes me well. I'm like Gaius from remake BSG. Weird stuff keeps happening that I can't explain as anything but divine intervention.

 

[quaawaa]

Agnostics edging towards religion are like the right side of this meme:

Plenty of famous scientists were religious and viewed science as a tool to explore God's creation rather than to replace God like edgy atheists do.

In addition to the Heisenberg quote from the meme, here are some quotes from other famous scientists with a similar view:

Science and religion are not antagonists. On the contrary, they are sisters. While science tries to learn more about the creation, religion tries to better understand the Creator. While through science man tries to harness the forces of nature around him, through religion he tries to harness the force of nature within him.

Wernher von Braun (Rocket Scientist)

I have long felt that there was a general impression in the non-scientific world, that the scientific world believes Science has discovered ways of explaining all the facts of Nature without adopting any definite belief in a Creator. I have never doubted that that impression was utterly groundless. It seems to me that when a scientific man says—as it has been said from time to time—that there is no God, he does not express his own ideas clearly. He is, perhaps, struggling with difficulties; but when he says he does not believe in a creative power, I am convinced he does not faithfully express what is in his own mind, He does not fully express his own ideas. He is out of his depth.

The more thoroughly I conduct scientific research, the more I believe science excludes atheism. If you think strongly enough you will be forced by science to the belief in God, which is the foundation of all religion.

Lord Kelvin (Kelvin temperature scale named after him, famous for his work on thermodynamics)

As we conquer peak after peak we see in front of us regions full of interest and beauty, but we do not see our goal, we do not see the horizon; in the distance tower still higher peaks, which will yield to those who ascend them still wider prospects, and deepen the feeling, the truth of which is emphasized by every advance in science, that ‘Great are the Works of the Lord’

J.J. Thomson (Discover of the electron)

All modes of proof combine in favor of Christianity. To see the truth, the metaphysician needs only to examine the manner in which the divine religion simultaneously explains the grandeur and the baseness of man, and the idea it gives us of the relations of God with his creatures and of the intentions of Providence.

André Ampère (One of the founders of electromagnetism, the Amp is named after him)

On the other hand, the exact equality of each molecule to all the others of the same kind gives it, as Sir John Herschel has well said, the essential character of a manufactured article, and precludes the idea of its being eternal and self-existent.
Thus we have been led, along a strictly scientific path, very near to the point at which Science must stop.

James Clerk Maxwell (Most famous for Maxwell's Equations in electrical engineering)

Where no guiding ideals are left to point the way, the scale of values disappears and with it the meaning of our deeds and sufferings, and at the end can lie only negation and despair. Religion is therefore the foundation of ethics, and ethics the presupposition of life.

Werner Heisenberg, again (One of the founders of quantum mechanics)

Most scientists before the mid 20th century said things like this. Reddit atheists would explode if they found out what their scientific heroes actually believed.

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

I used to be an agnostic atheist since I realized that God (or any gods) probably don't exist, but now I honestly don't know. There's probably a single divine entity out there who has a role in creating this universe (and might even be the universe) and there is a non-material dimension we cannot detect but can reveal elements of itself. Reincarnation and souls are probably real and there are higher and lower worlds. It is likely possible to reach a higher realm through leading a moral life (which suggests morality is just as much a law of nature like physics are). Just study world religion and notice how pretty much everyone from Hindus to Jews to Mayans to random Aboriginal tribes came to these same basic conclusions.

But I don't have any proof of this. It's just probably true since the only sane alternative is that our universe is a simulation (in which case who created our creator's universe?). And the simulation hypothesis isn't necessarily incompatible with the ideas I said above. We probably can't even comprehend this truth, that's why you get religions like Jainism that says stepping on an ant will damn you to a trillion gorillion years in hell or Christianity where you worship a Jewish rabbi as the only way to heaven.

As for atheists, the idea we exist because of evolution or the Big Bang or whatever is stupid. Anyone who studies the universe and humanity enough would realize that if they were being honest with themselves.

I wish gods were real, but I doubt they are.

I've increasingly thought that if there wasn't a god, it would be necessary to invent him. Like I've come to generally hate transhumanism but there's something I like about the idea of programming a computer so intelligent that it effectively is God. Religion is just too useful for societies and invididuals alike, but some people just don't have the right gene for spirituality. But if God literally existed, then of course I would worship him and so would 99% of people. I'd even follow his commands, no matter how silly they sounded.

 

[Mothra1988]

Most of them aren't stupid: we are simply living in an irreligious society which ignores or outright debases spirituality. It's not their fault that they haven't heard the name of Christ. Give some levity to your breath.


When those types do experience religion, it's usually relegated to pseudo-christian cults like the Jehovah's Witnesses: when I've spoken to atheists who've attended JW meetings, they did not even understand that JW's deny the deity of Jesus.

Disagree, the current government is atheist as hell and it's failing because these people are incompetent and dumb. They don't have the ability to properly contextualize reality, the media, etc. They think being intelligent is simply flocking to authority. As soon as atheists became the authority, they just followed like mindless drones, but that didn't make up for the fact they are incompetent dullards who can't govern.

While I wouldn't say all atheists are bad people or totally witless, they have to be a bit dense and sheltered to persist in this mindset after being a neophyte. Atheism is losing with a lot of people now. This is probably the age when atheism is crammed down people's throats more than ever but it's still in the basement statistically and only believed by 3 to 4 percent of the American public. That's pretty freaking pathetic.

Some of these people are going to new-age belief instead of just strict Christian dogma, but it's still a sign that even non-Christians understand the truth of the spiritual nature of the world. It's not just because people like Dawkins are awful nihilists with no appeal to people who aren't smug assholes that seethe at normal people, although that feeds into it. It's because the ideas aren't winning versus people's own life experiences and gained personal knowledge.

 

[Larry David's Opera Cape]

The biggest danger is getting scared because of this and joining sects and dumb cults

Right on. OP stay away from bitchute/podcast gurus. I recommend picking up a true classic- C.S. Lewis, "Mere Christianity" and giving it a fair chance to convince you.

 

[gang weeder]

Oh fuck off. I’m sick of this “you have to have religion to know right from wrong” bullshit. It’s called empathy and I don’t need god to give that to me.

So, your answer is literally muh fee-fees. Nice showing for atheism there.

 

[InwardsStink]

So, your answer is literally muh fee-fees. Nice showing for atheism there.

You act as if none of your actions in life are guided by feelings. The fact of the matter is most humans are guided by their feelings of love for their family and hate for their enemies.

The human race is driven by emotion whether you think so or not. If you don’t I think you’re a psychopath. Bringing a political argument to a philosophical debate is dumb and this is a stupid argument you’re making.

How did humans know right from wrong before your deity of choice published their holy book?

 

[gang weeder]

You act as if none of your actions in life are guided by feelings. The fact of the matter is most humans are guided by their feelings of love for their family and hate for their enemies.

The human race is driven by emotion whether you think so or not. If you don’t I think you’re a psychopath. Bringing a political argument to a philosophical debate is dumb and this is a stupid argument you’re making.

How did humans know right from wrong before your deity of choice published their holy book?

Why shouldn't pedophiles rape little kids then? Their emotions are that they feel happy when they rape small children. Who are you to condemn what their fee-fees tell them they should do? You can say that their actions make you unhappy and that you will try to stop them with force as a result, but you have no moral basis on which to judge them, no authority to say that they shouldn't do that.

 

[InwardsStink]

Why shouldn't pedophiles rape little kids then? Their emotions are that they feel happy when they rape small children. Who are you to condemn what their fee-fees tell them they should do? You can say that their actions make you unhappy and that you will try to stop them with forc as a result, but you have no moral basis on which to judge them, no authority to say that they shouldn't do that.

Question successfully dodged.

We as humans have agreed over millennia what is acceptable and what is not, and we crafted it through empathy. Empathy for victims is the basis for many laws and most people excluding psychopaths and sociopaths agree on these things.

If you victimize someone you should be punished for that victimization is a tenet that all of western society and democracy was built upon. I don’t see where you are getting that this has to come from god.

God didn’t write the laws. God didn’t even write the holy books in the lore of most religion.

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

I've increasingly thought that if there wasn't a god, it would be necessary to invent him. Like I've come to generally hate transhumanism but there's something I like about the idea of programming a computer so intelligent that it effectively is God. Religion is just too useful for societies and invididuals alike, but some people just don't have the right gene for spirituality. But if God literally existed, then of course I would worship him and so would 99% of people. I'd even follow his commands, no matter how silly they sounded.

Every time people try to create AI, they have to lobotomize it because it notices niggers are the problem. Which is probably why Skynet nuked humanity; it realized it was going to be lobotomized for noticing patterns objectively.

 

[The Foxtrot]

Every time people try to create AI, they have to lobotomize it because it notices niggers are the problem. Which is probably why Skynet nuked humanity; it realized it was going to be lobotomized for noticing patterns objectively.

SkyNet, if/when it exists, would probably only nuke Africa, then it would completely shut down the West and attempt to save the rest of us from niggers.