Agriculture Thread - Doomers Welcome

My grandparents and great grandparents were farmers when they moved to America from Italy. My Dad was big into gardening and as I grew older I wanted to do more than just garden but less than a production farm. One of the neat things my ancestors left is really simple and makes planting a lot easier. It's just an old broomstick with notches cut into it at varying points. And the notches are to indicate how deep you need to plant specific types of seeds. It's a elegant solution to what is otherwise an important part of growing crops. And it speeds the process up considerably.

I stopped using the original one a season after my Dad gave it to me. But I copied the marks and made a new one with some additions for my own tastes. So yeah. A stick. Get one!
would you mind posting pictures of the old one, or the new one you made? that sounds super useful, but I'm having a hard time visualizing what it looks like from your description.

as for me, I breed rabbits. wanted to get into it for a while, but covid happening was a good push for me to start. as of now I only have a herd of 4 because of city laws and my lack of space, but I figure starting out small is a good way to learn the ins and outs. I'm still in the red on my initial investment, but I have a pretty steady stream of buyers interested in breeding stock.

right now I'm trying to figure out extra revenue streams from my hobby herd. I'm thinking of starting some small scale parchment production after making a successful test batch
 
would you mind posting pictures of the old one, or the new one you made? that sounds super useful, but I'm having a hard time visualizing what it looks like from your description.

as for me, I breed rabbits. wanted to get into it for a while, but covid happening was a good push for me to start. as of now I only have a herd of 4 because of city laws and my lack of space, but I figure starting out small is a good way to learn the ins and outs. I'm still in the red on my initial investment, but I have a pretty steady stream of buyers interested in breeding stock.

right now I'm trying to figure out extra revenue streams from my hobby herd. I'm thinking of starting some small scale parchment production after making a successful test batch
Well, I won't post actual pictures because I'm not about to be doxed by a broomstick, but I can give you a decent facsimile:

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It is pretty straightforward. It's the butt end of a broom stick (or a stick or any kind of durable shaft) with notches cut into the side to indicate the depths that certain seeds prefer. I have represented the "notches" with black lines. But you can take a knife and simply cut them into the material with very little effort. Some seeds like to go deeper while some have barely any soil on top of them at all. So one notch may be corn while another may be tomatoes. You can research which seeds like which depths and if you need to, you can create your own markings to know which is which.

Hope that helps!
 
Well, I won't post actual pictures because I'm not about to be doxed by a broomstick, but I can give you a decent facsimile:

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It is pretty straightforward. It's the butt end of a broom stick (or a stick or any kind of durable shaft) with notches cut into the side to indicate the depths that certain seeds prefer. I have represented the "notches" with black lines. But you can take a knife and simply cut them into the material with very little effort. Some seeds like to go deeper while some have barely any soil on top of them at all. So one notch may be corn while another may be tomatoes. You can research which seeds like which depths and if you need to, you can create your own markings to know which is which.

Hope that helps!
Thanks! I have a broken broom laying around so I'll use that. tho I have to ask, what is up with the picture lol
 
So. Chickens.

Next year I want to add some chickens to the homestead aspect of my farm. I know almost nothing about the chuggun before it reaches the fridge.

I'd like to get a dual-purpose breed, perhaps just starting with a few hens, to provide eggs and, if they cease to amuse me with their chickeny ways, meat. Fully possible I won't be able to kill them any more than I could my meat goats, but eggs I can collect and eat.

I live in the Cross Timbers region of Texas. I am happy to build suitable structures for the chickens to roost in, but I would prefer they make a living for themselves as much as is reasonable. Are chickens good for controlling pests in gardens or orchards? What breeds should I consider? Is buying the cute little chicks at Tractor Supply or the Co-op a bad idea?

I know n o t h i n g. Any real world experience is much appreciated. Compare my earlier sperging about goats and you will see that mean this.
 
So. Chickens.

Next year I want to add some chickens to the homestead aspect of my farm. I know almost nothing about the chuggun before it reaches the fridge.

I'd like to get a dual-purpose breed, perhaps just starting with a few hens, to provide eggs and, if they cease to amuse me with their chickeny ways, meat. Fully possible I won't be able to kill them any more than I could my meat goats, but eggs I can collect and eat.

I live in the Cross Timbers region of Texas. I am happy to build suitable structures for the chickens to roost in, but I would prefer they make a living for themselves as much as is reasonable. Are chickens good for controlling pests in gardens or orchards? What breeds should I consider? Is buying the cute little chicks at Tractor Supply or the Co-op a bad idea?

I know n o t h i n g. Any real world experience is much appreciated. Compare my earlier sperging about goats and you will see that mean this.
personally I would go with the cheapest breed you find in your area to start with. this might be the tractor supply ones, a local Hatcher or co-op. you don't want to get some really expensive heritage breed and then lose them to a mistake.
chickens are pretty good for pest control, but they also love eating greens so if you have a garden you may have to take steps to keep them out. you can also feed them egg but try not to feed eggshell (ground eggshell is fine) because they might start eating their own eggs. this is only really an issue if they are calcium deficient though, so if you feed them a complete feed or supplemental calcium then it shouldn't be an issue. once they have the habit of eating their own eggs it's pretty hard to get them to stop though.
even if you keep them outside you'll still want some sort of structure for them to roost, lay in, or run under if theres a hawk flying around. do you have any preditors in the area? raccoons can be a bitch. not a huge issue if you have a guard dog though
 
Is rehoming hens from commercial egg farms a thing in America? It's getting very popular in Europe. Probably not a way to go if your main focus is the highest possible production, but it is not a purely altruistic act either - people have had decent results with them, on top of the ♥️ aspect.
 
Is rehoming hens from commercial egg farms a thing in America? It's getting very popular in Europe. Probably not a way to go if your main focus is the highest possible production, but it is not a purely altruistic act either - people have had decent results with them, on top of the ♥️ aspect.
there are, but it can be a crapshoot depending on the area. where I live there's a lot of animal rights activists involved heavily with rehoming commercial hens and they are batshit insane. I would recommend investigating heavily before taking this route
 
Predators are legion in the area. I've seen bobcat and badger tracks, I hear coyotes every night, and I'm told there's a puma around. Though in my experience you can go anywhere in Texas and people will claim to have seen a mountain lion, probably even Galveston. Many raptors as well. We have Livestock guardian dogs, but they're goat defenders, and allegedly chicken eaters. I'll definitely need a predation control program; it's one of the reasons I'm giving myself a year to put it all together.

Thanks for the catch about them eating greens! Probably not a huge threat to the apple trees, but I'll need to plan a way to keep them from the vegetables.

I had no idea they would eat their own eggs. That's heinous. That's a chicken for the pot.

My biggest concern about cheap cheeps is them coming with some sort of disease. Clearly I need to know more about chicken diseases. Vaccines? I drew blood on a bird, once, and it was nerve-wracking.
 
I've grown up with horses and have owned horses myself for over a decade now. It can be good fun. In fact it's often good fun, at least if you want to to be. If you value hard work, you'd value horses. Raising them can be good fun if you're the owner, but open-pasture setups usually means they'll get into trouble. Deburring our boys has always been an issue. you'll have to deburr everything when it comes time- even the penis! I can't stress this enough to newcomers but DO NOT kick them when they resist. I've kicked them before. I may again. The goal is NOT to. you will be able to tell when you've betrayed your horses trust by it's eyes. In time you can tell almost any mood by it's eyes. The eyes are everything. Horses do not have clothes, horses do not have books or carkeys. What they have most is trust and bond between themselves and their owners. It's simply really: a happy horse is a healthy horse.
 
I've grown up with horses and have owned horses myself for over a decade now. It can be good fun. In fact it's often good fun, at least if you want to to be. If you value hard work, you'd value horses. Raising them can be good fun if you're the owner, but open-pasture setups usually means they'll get into trouble. Deburring our boys has always been an issue. you'll have to deburr everything when it comes time- even the penis! I can't stress this enough to newcomers but DO NOT kick them when they resist. I've kicked them before. I may again. The goal is NOT to. you will be able to tell when you've betrayed your horses trust by it's eyes. In time you can tell almost any mood by it's eyes. The eyes are everything. Horses do not have clothes, horses do not have books or carkeys. What they have most is trust and bond between themselves and their owners. It's simply really: a happy horse is a healthy horse.
I am not fren with any horses, but I heard they are also Man's BFF.
C/D
 
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I've thought of getting a horse to ride fences. I can almost convince myself it's practical concerns and not that horses are cute and, unlike goats, care what you think.
 
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so I've had a hell of a time this past year. had an surprise opportunity land in my lap to move out to an old farm to help reclaim the farmland and fix up a house. field has been allowed to sit fallow for about 10 years, but there's a lot of it and it used to pasture dairy cows. old buildings on the property will need to come down, including the silos, which is a huge shame, but not surprising.
right now I'm focusing on starting some small enterprises so I can continue working a fulltime job to fund everything. got chickens for the first time, mix of different egg layers and dual purpose breeds. went out and made my own coop for them as well, went with a hoop coop design as it was the cheapest to build, and highly durable to the heavy snowfall I het in this area. managed to keep the costs under $500 for the coop, which is really good considering the price of everything right now.

here's a question for anyone actually running profits on your farm:
what kind of system do you have in place to help keep track of everything, including overheads, income, losses, animal sales, pasture rotation, etc?
do you keep it all together in a single excel sheet for the year? keep certain things separate? not keep track of anything at all? I need to get a system going if I want to keep track of profits and losses, and using a single excel sheet seems like it would get confusing fast.
 
So post stuffs regarding making food the old fashioned way, instead of just buying it at the store like a normal person.
Bread. You really can make it yourself. I've been using Julia Child's recipe, which is excellent, cheap, and fully usable for sandwiches. The most expensive part is probably the butter, and each loaf only has 1/8th of a cup. KF formatting is annoying, so sorry if this is ugly:

2 1/2 Cups warm water
1 Tbsp yeast
1 Tbsp sugar
6 Cups flour
2 tsp salt
1/4 Cup butter

Run the tap as hot as it can go, and measure out the water. Put this in a bowl with the yeast and the sugar.
Mix the flour and salt, and heat the butter a bit to melt it. Bread flour is better, but all-purpose works too.
The yeast mixture should be getting foamy, if not, either wait some more, or accept that your yeast is dead and get more.
Mix up the flour if it settled, and make a dent in the middle. Pour in the butter and the yeast water.
Using a fork, scrape the dry flour on the outside into the middle, while turning the bowl. The goal here is just to wet all the flour.
Mix aggressively with the fork, making sure that everything is wet. It should clump up and look terrible, that's okay.
Pinch the dough off of the fork, and use your hands to squish everything in the bowl together. Scrape down the sides with your fingers, and put the bits on top, poking them into the dough.
Squish the dough flat and fold it in half, then squish is flat again. If you've ever tried to fold a piece of paper in half eleven times, do it like that. Stop when it seems to be getting firm, probably way before eleven times.
Take the dough out of the bowl, and put it on a clean smooth counter. Don't sprinkle any flour yet. Fold over one corner just a little bit, an inch or two, and gently press it into the dough. Spin it a little and repeat this. It's hard to describe a good knead properly over text, so get your Grandma to show you how, or at least find a video.
You should work the dough for a long time to develop the gluten, and it should be smooth and elastic by the end. If you poke it, the dent should vanish in a few seconds.
Put it in a bowl, cover the top with plastic wrap, and leave it somewhere warm until it doubles in size, probably around an hour if your yeast is virile.
Grease two loaf pans with a bit of butter.
Gently press it down with your fist, deflating most of the big air bubbles. Pinch it into two blobs, and fold each blob into thirds, like a letter. Curl the rolled ends under and place the loaves in the greased pans.
Wait for them to rise again, until the top of the dough is past the top of the pans by a little bit.
Heat the oven to 375 F, or convert those units yourself, commie.
Put the loaves in and let them cook until the top is a darker golden color and they sound hollow when you flick them gently.

Some notes:
The bread does not brown when toasted, no idea why. It still toasts great, just doesn't change color.
Do not cut bread when it's hot, wait for it to cool off first.
If you have a rack, take the bread out of the pans as soon as you can, and let it cool on it's side, flipping it every once in a while to keep it dry.
Don't be afraid to overwork the dough, just make sure you knead it in the most wimpy way possible. Trust me, it will work, you just have to go longer.
Do be afraid to add flour. Only sprinkle some flour down if it rips when you pull it off of the counter. It should stick a bit, but come off cleanly if you pull slowly.
Rotate and switch the bread pans halfway through baking, so any inconsistency in your oven doesn't make one loaf darker.
Freeze your bread and reheat it. Bread keeps forever and doesn't get weird in the freezer for a long time.

This got autistic, but I really love bread. If you have questions feel free to PM me, but ask your Grandma first.
 
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