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Part of th is people finding ou the imminent bankrupcy of AI companies:
Of course, he messes up that in the following post with transganda.
AI Art Seething General
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Of course, he messes up that in the following post with transganda.
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OpenAI isn't even state of the art right now. Also Meta has recently released a 405b parameter model that easily beats gpt4 (their express goal probably directly wanting to cause OpenAI damage), as does anthropics Sonnet. It might very well be that OpenAI disappears, and I'd even bet with you that many AI companies will close down. In ten years it might very well be that there are only one or two names that are still recognizable from this time, and all other companies went the way of the dodo. That does not mean that it is the end of any AI development. Same thing happened with computers, pretty much most companies I knew during these 20 years of breakneck development went bankrupt, were bought up, or left the sector. That did not result in computers "failing". It just doesn't mean much. I can understand that the younger people see this as a trend but the older people really ought to know better. AI is simply too useful to go anywhere.
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Does anyone else think there should be a community watch thread for some of the AI communities that are often featured here? Some of the personas are getting lolcow tier and I would hope that this thread would be more active if it were a CW thread instead of being on the off-topic subforum. There's retards on both sides worth talking about so I don't think the content is really 'off-topic' for the farms and would fit well as a CW thread.
the whole r/defendingaiart + r/aiwars + r/artisthate subreddit war that's been going on for a while now by itself is plenty of content, not to mention the constant seethe on X. This thread also doesn't really work for making fun of pro-ai retards either, nor does it have much room for anything that's not gAI image art (being the AI art seething general). A CW thread could be everything AI and keep track of all the anti-ai retards, large corporations and the personas within them, FOSS groups like stability AI and any drama going on there, etc.
If anyone would like to work on a thread with me shoot me a DM. I'm gonna get a rough draft of a PG thread going.
the whole r/defendingaiart + r/aiwars + r/artisthate subreddit war that's been going on for a while now by itself is plenty of content, not to mention the constant seethe on X. This thread also doesn't really work for making fun of pro-ai retards either, nor does it have much room for anything that's not gAI image art (being the AI art seething general). A CW thread could be everything AI and keep track of all the anti-ai retards, large corporations and the personas within them, FOSS groups like stability AI and any drama going on there, etc.
If anyone would like to work on a thread with me shoot me a DM. I'm gonna get a rough draft of a PG thread going.
Until it has the web searching, cross-device usage, and speed of gpt4o they won't be getting many users away from the corpo models. Ease of use is what people like. I'm 100% for FOSS models and use stable diffusion over anything else for images, FOSS LLMs just aren't there for anything other than roleplay imo.
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I recently went down this rabbit hole and I wonder... why most of these people are trannies or furries? Lmao I could totally make a bingo out of this. 
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because they are "artists". Same reason alot of foss programmers are trannies or furries. The hobby requires some amount of autism, and autism increases rates of troonism and furfagging
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My guess is that artistry and programming require a lot of imagination. This attracts furries (which come from a background of cartoons) and trannies (which require a constant imagination in Maintaining the Lie tha their feelings are ality). The isolation elements of artistry and programming, especially if done from home. do not help.I recently went down this rabbit hole and I wonder... why most of these people are trannies or furries? Lmao I could totally make a bingo out of this.
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I recently went down this rabbit hole and I wonder... why most of these people are trannies or furries? Lmao I could totally make a bingo out of this.
Furry artists are heavily anti-AI simply because they have a financial incentive. Furry art is fairly "unique" in that it is heavily pornographic, which that alone means most "normal" artists won't touch it, and then add "animal" characters on to it and even less artists will go anywhere near it. There's a high demand, but low supply, which means it is very profitable. Nowadays it is not uncommon to see even barely average furry artists charging $150-200+ for commissions, with those popular enough to just do "Your Character Here" auctions going for literally $1000+ in some cases.
Most other communities don't have this issue. You have a human "OC"? Find a picture of a person close enough, and drawing humans is probably the most common art subject in the world. Fantasy elf? Cool, there's thousands of generic elf pictures out there because of D&D and LotR and GoT and Pathfinder, etc, etc. Anime? They all draw the same style anyway so generated art isn't nearly as big of a threat since looking the same is expected, and again, heavy bias towards humans. Lots of alternatives keeps prices low. For the most part, they get commissions because people want to commission them, and so AI is a minimal threat.
Furries, though? You aren't going to find many images of a blue-furred German Shepard with two cocks and a musclegut. Good luck finding a stand-in for your purple bunny girl with six pairs of tits rocking both a dick and a pussy. Nope, you're probably going to have to commission it. That is why AI is a massive threat to furry artists -- there has never been a real alternative to commissioning them at whatever price they ask for, and now there is, so they need it to fail (or be socially shunned). The moment AI gets a foothold and is able to openly produce that kind of content, they will have to lower prices and take more work (or get a real job).
(Slight tangeant here: This is also why you don't see many fursuit makers rallying against AI, despite being furries. AI can't replace them, and more people having references of their characters (whether AI or not) means more business for them. AI is great for physical artist income, horrible for digital. They will never admit this, though.)
As for the tranny part: because furries. Furries are, in my experience, the biggest group of "I'm a woman now and if you even THINK otherwise you're BANNED", along with programmers (most of which are also furries anyway). Like a third of the threads in Animal Control are transwomen.
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In collaboration with Abacus and Runch, there's now a CW thread in PG for all the AI drama! Please check it out and give your thoughts and criticism
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Some data cannot be sent to servers of a 3rd party for legal reasons, (and I feel the amount for which data this will be true will increase in the future as soon as lawmakers start to understand this type of AI) for such scenarios out-house cloud services are flat-out not an option. These LLM usages are also not really targeted at end users or "chat" but at text processing, where the LLM is a part of a software pipeline. This is probably the best usage scenario of an LLM nowadays, data entry and -processing. Take (relatively) unstructured data and convert it to structured data formats that can be computed in more conventional ways and/or "rate" and process them in ways that would be hard or impossible to do with more conventional programming methods, especially in such a fluid and flexible way where you can change the parameters by basically employing natural language. If you roughly know your data, you can even do this with relatively small models very well via fine-tuning. (I'm also saying "LLM" here, but realize that multi-modal models also understand images and audio) A thing a computer really could not do by itself before and my guess is already is finding usage in many companies as soon as workflows and tooling have established themselves, for which it all is a bit early right now. Direct interaction with a person usually does not happen here. These LLMs aren't only meant to be chat bots, far from it.
I think that's also why Meta open-weights it's models. Not because Zuckerberg believes in open source or thinks you should have your AI waifu, or because Meta is such a nice company, but to kneecap Anthropic and OpenAI and fight vendor lock-in, giving them time to establish their own presence in this space, e.g. with support contracts as soon as this field solidifies itself somewhat. One of the most fundamental laws of nature in corporations and government institutions is inertia. If a specific way to do something was decided once and contracts have been signed, that is not gonna be changed anytime soon again, even if the way is objectively inferior to newer methods. This is not about you asking the AI for cookie recipes or it helping you with learning how to program.
(EDIT: I want to add because it might not be entirely clear - yes, this has the very real chance of making many white collar jobs obsolete. These jobs will just soundlessly disappear because nobody has a passion for data entry and would feel the AIs work in this area is "soulless". I'd personally wager the societal impact of this will be much larger than some furry artist losing his meal ticket, from people having even more trouble to find work to having your life decided by something what some AI decided in the pipeline of some work process which will be impossible to fight against because nobody will second guess the AI software which nobody really understands to begin with. Yet nobody will talk about it because it's oh, so mundane. Discussing the death of art has just a much nicer ring to it, doesn't it?)
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I assume he was cut off at "my focus is on moving on", which is in accordance with what I laid out before: if you can compete with generic AI art, you have nothing to fear - it's going to be a tool to you. If you can't compete with it, get another job, because your works are shit and you are not fit to be called an "artist".
AI is going to remain whether people like it or not. For better or worse, it is going to have an effect on arts. But "artists" refuse to acknowledge it and bury their heads in the sand. We've seen dozens of new technologies absolutely rearrange entire sectors of society, yet I only remember the OG luddites throwing such hissy fits. Farmers adapted when tractors replaced oxes and horses, factory workers didn't cry when new machinery was introduced - why?
Because they were used to their jobs and lives being hard. They understood the improvements that innovation brought to the table, and were only mad when there were no other jobs to be had, which the governments of various countries dealing with this problem understood. We live in a day and age where we have all sorts of courses to introduce people into all sorts of fields. These "artists" are not illiterate peasants who need to be taught new skills in a new era - they are supposedly educated college graduates. They have no excuse for not being able to find another job other than they are so goddamn cozy in their air-conditioned apartment in the middle of LA that they dread the thought of spending 5 minutes working in the sun.
I for one welcome our AI overlords. May they break the back of the smug, self-serving cunts who sneer at honest working folk.
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Honestly I could imagine that RJ Palmer guy getting a thread of his own here eventually.
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Do y'all hate artist? or is it because they have politics you disagree with?
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I don't hate the artists or whatever politics they've aligned themselves with. It's just that they produced some extremely stupid takes that can be milked for some laughs.
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I am artist.
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My take is that the internet itself is a big part of the problem. Starting with DA and now with social media. We have all these pretentious twats who have been asspatted for their scribbles since their first fanart anatomical nightmare upload on DA. As a result anyone with hands in which to draw can call themselves a talented artiste and have a legion of fans telling them how great they are.
There's a thick line that should separate Artists from "Artists". That line is thinning out because babbys can't take concrit or fathom the notion that their portfolio full of tumblr level art with hairy legs and top surgery scars and calarts trash isn't high art. Anyone can draw something. But not everyone is an artist.
Furry artists having to hand in Walmart applications because AI can make their neon fetish bunnies is amusing. I imagine there are some people who just settle for furry commissions to make money even if they aren't into it.
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I'm going to ignore the fact you use the niggerly y'all word.
I do a bit of art myself as a hobby. The artist community is already pretentious as it is before the ai art thing becoming a trend. I couldn't give a shit about their politics... though one retarded thing they want to champion is stronger copyright laws that would, granted, fuck over a lot of artists in the long run.
The milk of their seething complete with overzealous aifags engaging in this debate are plentiful.
"Professional Artist"
nigga please, you animate like a flipaclip hack
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Wake up, new art mentor video dropped
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I am late here, bu the film 'Technological Threat' hat he mentions in this interview is this: