AI Art Seething General

[jje100010001]

My opinion as well:

1.) AI art's relationship within the framework of copyright will eventually be resolved. The fundamental issue is one of the source material, and I think that AI generators will either end up legalized through the argument that no-one 'owns' a style (how many artists with Kim-jung-ji-adjacent artstyles are out there?), or will develop their own internal databases using copyright-free/free domain artwork + artists selling their artwork to these generators. These will arise first in countries like China, IMO.
2.) It will become another tool for artists to iterate and enhance their work. Like what was mentioned, an artist could iterate from a quick sketch some additonal composition layouts, color options, etc., and could even improve linework quality if they decide to blow up a part of their art. You may see AI as mentoring tools offering critiques of things like composition and colors. In the future, you will see AI tools alongside the brush and liquify tools in Photoshop.
3.) AI art will eat its way up the value chain of the illustration and art industry. For instance, I very much see that UI artwork (icons, buttons, borders) and FX in video games, plus in-betweens for animation as mentioned- which are not exactly purely creative fields, will soon be on the chopping block. Same with thumbnail art and minor page illustrations, and some entry-level jobs will be reduced to fixing hands on AI artwork (lol). Pornography, being a lesser-protected and esteemed field, will quickly be eaten up by AI generators because no one will stand up for the porn artists. However, I do still see art directors and concept artists retaining their jobs for high-level concept art direction.
4.) AI will not be able to fully bridge the digital-meatspace divide in the near future, and traditional artists who can paint will still be more esteemed than any AI replicant.

To add to this,
5.) The biggest roadblock artists can throw up is essentially turning themselves into pseudo-guilds, (TBH the concept art community is already sort of a clique), and forcing game and movie studios to adopt a no-AI pledge (outsourcing will still be a trouble point). Alternatively, I have heard that some attempts would be to throw up legal roadblocks in the AI community itself, but I don't see these going so far due to the massive interests that corporations have in AI.

Fundamentally, the genie is out of the bottle like with 3d-printing (components, guns). You can only direct which way it goes, and trying to put it back in is a fruitless endeavor- but like with 3d-printed guns, there will always be a demand for authenticity.

 

[tulskij_tochnyj]

I hope that diffusion models will start a renaissance of Western-style 2D animation. Now it's either Stephen Universe-tier cheap garbage or soulless 2D+3D mix.
What bothers me in anti-AI-art crowd is their short-sighted approach to copyright law. Essentially, they want to strip fair use protections from derivative works, thus opening a door for music industry practices (ever wondered why diffusion models for music are so limited? They are not allowed to learn on copyrighted songs), but in digital art space. As a consequence, more if not all fanart will get DMCA'd (and say hello to C&D letters if you accept fanart commissions, by the way). And pray to God big "visual IP" holders don't form their own RIAA and torment the Internet with another set of AI-powered flagging bots.
Thankfully, art whores on Twitter dot com have less weight (and lawyers) than kikes who run music industry and IP holders are not overly litigious when it comes to fanart, so hopefully this particular Torment Nexus will never be built.

I've lost the tweet, but I remember reading that many in the illustration/game dev are against using AI because they don't trust anybody who uses it to have clear knowledge of fundamentals and how to draw on the fly.

It's easy to prove someone's knowledge of fundamentals: academic drawing of model's head, live on stream, ideally on paper. Yes, it's more difficult than looking at the portfolio, but nowadays even junior devs undergo long, multi-stage job interviews, why artists can't? Oh, it's too expensive or your company's artists can't/don't want to grade an academic drawing made by a candidate? Too bad, hire an AI then.

 

[Atatata]

Yes, it's more difficult than looking at the portfolio, but nowadays even junior devs undergo long,

Actually, it wouldn't be surprising at all that's what ends up happening for most.
Having an artist do a sketch on the fly to show they aren't full of shit, back in the preinternet days it was probably done as well so if anything it's just bringing the practice back.

 

[MagneticTowels]

AI art: exists
Human artists:

 

[Xolanite]

Loish on AI art. https://archive.ph/3madH

https://twitter.com/loishh/status/1603434379665104896?s=46&t=uJGHiHiubr1YhSgg1WWVEw

 

[Iwasamwillbe]

General seething, coping, etc:

https://twitter.com/jramseyi/status/1602835559776456706

https://twitter.com/wickedinsignia/status/1603221617156706305

https://twitter.com/DanWritehead/status/1602262857869148160

Look at the responses and quote tweets to this guy (it's even funnier because the guy's is some weird schizo "MAGA communist"):

https://twitter.com/LaborwaveCCCP/status/1600598000866365449

https://twitter.com/LaborwaveCCCP/status/1602290124989272064

Responses like this:

https://mobile.twitter.com/_Bro_m/status/1602759550389522432

"Hope":

https://twitter.com/wickedinsignia/status/1602844092459016194

As a bonus, here's one guy giving us a good reason why AI art will become ever-popular:

https://twitter.com/bahlivern/status/1603102140053921792

(Screenshots to come later)

We are literally moments away from somebody (relatively prominent) getting death threats because they used a computer to draw a picture for them. That's how hysterical the AI art discourse has gotten recently.

Where is that meme where the AI'd up soyjak claims that he's happy that automation is phasing out previous jobs, only to cry when AI starts affecting art?

 

[MagneticTowels]

"First they ignore you."
"Then they laugh at you."
"Then they fight you."
"Then, you win."

-Gandhi

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

To add to this,
5.) The biggest roadblock artists can throw up is essentially turning themselves into pseudo-guilds, (TBH the concept art community is already sort of a clique), and forcing game and movie studios to adopt a no-AI pledge (outsourcing will still be a trouble point). Alternatively, I have heard that some attempts would be to throw up legal roadblocks in the AI community itself, but I don't see these going so far due to the massive interests that corporations have in AI.

These are corporations who claim to be pro-union but won't hesitate to hire scabs whenever it suits them (and advocate for illegal immigration to further cheapen labor). Artists are also always backstabbing each other too, these aren't coal miners in a company town we're talking about here.

 

[Kane Lives]

This is how ArtStation currently looks like.

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I can't be the only guy who's literally laughing at the slacktivist approach to protesting AI art.

This is the equivalent of putting ukraine flags on your social media profile.

 

[Iwasamwillbe]

I can't be the only guy who's literally laughing at the slacktivist approach to protesting AI art.

This is the equivalent of putting ukraine flags on your social media profile.

Hey, internet screeching caused DeviantArt to back down from a default opt-in to their AI art programs, so we know this has some effect in those parts of the internet.

I'm just waiting for a website that specifically hosts AI art just so that Twitterites can impotently rage at it.

 

[Fount of BadSpeak]

I can't be the only one who thinks AI "art" looks like trash and is obviously AI from a mile away, right? Even if it improves significantly, I seriously doubt it's ever going to be able to surpass even a competent artist in terms of things like depth of field, style, and pure human quality. Not to mention these programs don't make art, they compile a bunch of other photos together in a way it has been created to in order to try to fool human senses, so it's always going to have to have a real art set to pull from to stay relevant. Even the anime hentai girls, arguably the "best" AI art I've seen, are obvious from a mile. Partly because everyone one I've seen is a straight on profile shot, but it all has this glossy, overly textured by simultaneously underdetailed plastic look, like someone put a bunch of filters over a low quality anime drawing to try to make it seem higher quality than it is.

I just feel like this is a comically overblown "crisis" unless you're trying to get a 9-5 with a marketing department or graphics design. Yeah, maybe corporations will use this schlock so they can increase corporate profits by .0001%, but have you seen the "art" corporations have been using? It's all hideous globohomo trash with zero soul, style, or uniqueness to speak of. The reason they want AI is because it finally achieves the outcome of truly removing all humanity from a concept that is supposed to be the purest expression of it so they can churn out more propaganda ads cheaper and faster. More corporate dystopia bullshit, but not the end of art as we know it at all.

Corporate Memphis - Wikipedia

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Six years ago when I got into metal working, I was told machines would make me obsolete. In all that time, my company bought one CNC machine, which fucking sucked at most the things it was advertised to be amazing at, and a multi directional auto welder, that nobody who they let touch it was smart or tech savvy enough to get to function whatsoever. It's always the same hyperbolic nonsense pushed by people who WANT that career to stop existing, not something actually realistic.

 

[Iwasamwillbe]

Not to mention these programs don't make art, they compile a bunch of other photos together in a way it has been created to in order to try to fool human senses, so it's always going to have to have a real art set to pull from to stay relevant.

But is image-remixing not still art? There are many would certainly consider it Art™ if it was done by a human (likely to be sold to some pretentious art gallery somewhere), so what makes it suddenly Not Art™ just because a machine is doing it?

I am increasingly growing to support AI art just to spite the people on social media and art gallery sites than complain and whine about it so much. If you can't compete with a computer, you can either get better or just suck a dick as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

I can't be the only one who thinks AI "art" looks like trash and is obviously AI from a mile away, right? Even if it improves significantly, I seriously doubt it's ever going to be able to surpass even a competent artist in terms of things like depth of field, style, and pure human quality. Not to mention these programs don't make art, they compile a bunch of other photos together in a way it has been created to in order to try to fool human senses, so it's always going to have to have a real art set to pull from to stay relevant. Even the anime hentai girls, arguably the "best" AI art I've seen, are obvious from a mile. Partly because everyone one I've seen is a straight on profile shot, but it all has this glossy, overly textured by simultaneously underdetailed plastic look, like someone put a bunch of filters over a low quality anime drawing to try to make it seem higher quality than it is.

This is false, because I've seen AI make art that isn't that particular style you're describing. And that art style is good IMO, since it's used in professional visual novels, it's just now incredibly overused since it seems to be the default for the AI programs.

AI isn't just piecing other artist's photos together either. It's genuinely creating something new using those pictures as an influence.

I just feel like this is a comically overblown "crisis" unless you're trying to get a 9-5 with a marketing department or graphics design. Yeah, maybe corporations will use this schlock so they can increase corporate profits by .0001%, but have you seen the "art" corporations have been using? It's all hideous globohomo trash with zero soul, style, or uniqueness to speak of. The reason they want AI is because it finally achieves the outcome of truly removing all humanity from a concept that is supposed to be the purest expression of it so they can churn out more propaganda ads cheaper and faster. More corporate dystopia bullshit, but not the end of art as we know it at all.

Corporate Memphis - Wikipedia

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AI can do Corporate Memphis/globohomo style too, but that isn't going to make it any less creepy/dystopic.

 

[Fount of BadSpeak]

But is image-remixing not still art? There are many would certainly consider it Art™ if it was done by a human (likely to be sold to some pretentious art gallery somewhere), so what makes it suddenly Not Art™ just because a machine is doing it?

I am increasingly growing to support AI art just to spite the people on social media and art gallery sites than complain and whine about it so much. If you can't compete with a computer, you can either get better or just suck a dick as far as I'm concerned.

No, it is not. Yes, it would be art by a human because it would take effort, emotion, and creativity. It's not art because a program on a machine is incapable of these things. Perhaps when we have actual Artificial Intelligence that is capable of emulating human existence creating this, I would consider this debate, but this is an auto functioning photo shop app that chops and screws together actual art to try to trick people. A gimmick at best; notice how often they hide the picture with MC Escher tier geometry, fucked alien faces and limbs, and impossible lighting? Probably not, considering you see the carefully curated fakes they distribute to pretend like this joke is art. I agree the artists need to calm the hell down, but this has never been art and won't be until this """AI""" is able to fool you, me, and everyone else into thinking it's a human being.

This is false, because I've seen AI make art that isn't that particular style you're describing. And that art style is good IMO, since it's used in professional visual novels, it's just now incredibly overused since it seems to be the default for the AI programs.

AI isn't just piecing other artist's photos together either. It's genuinely creating something new using those pictures as an influence.

AI can do Corporate Memphis/globohomo style too, but that isn't going to make it any less creepy/dystopic.

I'll believe it when I see it. So far I have been able to call AI pics out from the thumbnail, something about them instantly sets off my bullshit detectors. As for AI """art""" being art, see the above. Elephants and chimps are capable of art more than these programs.

 

[Thiletonomics]

With the AI seething, has anyone accused AI art of being another WEF front, in that they're making AI art a thing, to kill off artist's ability to make money? Then once the art industry is killed off, the WEF will then hardcore lockdown AI art, to "ensure" that it can no longer be used to make art that people can enjoy.

 

[Beautiful Loser]

This is like a more retarded and sad version of the "I can totally play a guitar because I played Guitar Hero!" and the dumbass musicians who felt threatened by a plastic guitar.

 

[verissimus]

I can't be the only guy who's literally laughing at the slacktivist approach to protesting AI art.

This is the equivalent of putting ukraine flags on your social media profile.

And not ironically enough, a number of people on that site did start pumpink pro-Ukraine crap or attach a flag in their profile. Really annoying, since it's one of my favorite sites to look up some cool or amusing stuff.

 

[Jeffrey Pine Pooter]

Github copilot already exists. AI is coming for programmer's jobs too.

Github copilot simply does not stand there unaffected by critics but technology itself is not the only reason why it is criticized unlike AI art, but because of licensing aka "yo this dudes copilot stole my code and my license forbids it", security and privacy that critics say. Even if earlier said issues are solved, who will check the code and test it?

 

[GoPro]

I can't be the only one who thinks AI "art" looks like trash and is obviously AI from a mile away, right? Even if it improves significantly, I seriously doubt it's ever going to be able to surpass even a competent artist in terms of things like depth of field, style, and pure human quality. Not to mention these programs don't make art, they compile a bunch of other photos together in a way it has been created to in order to try to fool human senses, so it's always going to have to have a real art set to pull from to stay relevant. Even the anime hentai girls, arguably the "best" AI art I've seen, are obvious from a mile. Partly because everyone one I've seen is a straight on profile shot, but it all has this glossy, overly textured by simultaneously underdetailed plastic look, like someone put a bunch of filters over a low quality anime drawing to try to make it seem higher quality than it is.

I just feel like this is a comically overblown "crisis" unless you're trying to get a 9-5 with a marketing department or graphics design. Yeah, maybe corporations will use this schlock so they can increase corporate profits by .0001%, but have you seen the "art" corporations have been using? It's all hideous globohomo trash with zero soul, style, or uniqueness to speak of. The reason they want AI is because it finally achieves the outcome of truly removing all humanity from a concept that is supposed to be the purest expression of it so they can churn out more propaganda ads cheaper and faster. More corporate dystopia bullshit, but not the end of art as we know it at all.

Corporate Memphis - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Six years ago when I got into metal working, I was told machines would make me obsolete. In all that time, my company bought one CNC machine, which fucking sucked at most the things it was advertised to be amazing at, and a multi directional auto welder, that nobody who they let touch it was smart or tech savvy enough to get to function whatsoever. It's always the same hyperbolic nonsense pushed by people who WANT that career to stop existing, not something actually realistic.

I would not be so sure about the lack of danger. AI art keeps getting better. Five years ago it wasn't nearly as good as it is today. People already win art competitions using AI art. It will only get more advanced as the time goes on. A lot of people claim that it is a tool to aid artists despite AI's potential to cut artists out of equation completely - like American auto workers got ousted by robots. Or machines and mass manufacturing killed artisans and craftsmen during industrial revolution. Artists specializing in photobashing will be the first casualty in my opinion and the concept art world might shrink quite a bit. This potential to cut out the artist out of the process is what freaks people out. It wasn't there in past art world meltdowns that happened when digital art and 3D became viable.

On a side note, AI crowd and AI prompt smiths might warrant their own thread in not too distant future. I have seen some of them proclaiming themselves artists and in general act similar to unhinged internet artists on tumblr and twitter. Massive wave of seething will be guaranteed once stable diffusion will start getting monetized. Project's CEO, Emad Mostaque, was a hedge fund manager. Some horrid nickle-and-diming scheme is inevitable. Anti-AI losuits will be entertaining too. AI projects are deathly afraid of them, that's why music AI development is so slow and why midjourney is not happy when people do something like this:

https://archive.vn/3BFtU

Eric Bourdages on Twitter: "Update - I was refunded and lost access t…

archived 17 Dec 2022 18:00:51 UTC

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Midjourney banned that guy from using their service in a way that tested some of the pro-AI crowd's arguments. It's only a matter of time before lawsuits start or someone uses the AI for something that will get that project in trouble.

I can't be the only guy who's literally laughing at the slacktivist approach to protesting AI art.

This is the equivalent of putting ukraine flags on your social media profile.

There are rumors of Concept Art Association planning something serious. I would be surprised if it was more than a strongly worded statement.

 

[MAPK phosphatase]

Github copilot simply does not stand there unaffected by critics but technology itself is not the only reason why it is criticized unlike AI art, but because of licensing aka "yo this dudes copilot stole my code and my license forbids it", security and privacy that critics say. Even if earlier said issues are solved, who will check the code and test it?

Time to create a bunch of "Security" projects with deliberate vulnerabilities for copilot to steal from.