AI Art Seething General

[Catgirls are Love]

Why is it twitter cunts getting pissed off,
JP Twitter seems to be alright with it and ones who are actuallly good at art fuck around with it.
Why Western twitter is just sperging out about it

They're desperate for a distraction from Musk burning Twitter to the ground?

 

[weirdMcGee]

Why is it twitter cunts getting pissed off,
JP Twitter seems to be alright with it and ones who are actuallly good at art fuck around with it.
Why Western twitter is just sperging out about it

to sound like armchair therapist for a bit, the west (or atleast americans) tend to be individualist by nature. Uniqueness is the name of the game and when something rids them of that special thing, you get shit like this:

and just so some of you know, some of the folks malding at this also are suppose to be professionals, not whiny manchildren.

 

[Markass the Worst]

AI is not just going to take away artists jobs, it's literally a digital nuclear bomb!

source (a)

it's currently flying under the radar in the name of "technological progress"

Yes, if you count the massive media negativity and twittard hysteria as "flying under the radar."

unique to AI, it is explicitly designed to deceive, ie: to look as if it is human, to make its output look human made

How is this deceptive?

we already have severe issues with misinformation today, we haven't solved it even before AI

it's potentially about to get 10x worse when we can't even tell bots from real people,

The solution is simple. Be skeptical of everything you see and never take things at face value. Kind of like how I'm reacting to your FUD twitter thread right now.

and when the bots are designed to deceive and follow orders from any malicious actor

Now this is just going off the deep end. Where is the evidence for this? Any malicious actor can do it?

I think the first big AI misinformation attack will be ugly. very ugly

why not launch a mass social media campaign to manufacture a timeline of videos, interviews, and announcements from a world leader launching nukes and declaring war?

roll the dice of humanity

They already accidentally sent out an incoming missile alert to everyone's phones in Hawaii...and nothing major happened there.
Not very convincing.

how about sending the most convincing spear phishing email/phone call ever? catered to your exact situation in life

and when you try to verify it over voice, have an AI on the phone that sounds exactly like your accountant convincing you to transfer money

And then ask to meet with the accountant in person just to make sure? Or do literally anything but take their voice at face value? How do I even know that they're calling from the same phone line my accountant actually uses?
Again the fact that it's misinformation through the medium of voice doesn't change a single thing when misinformation through the medium of text has been a thing since, oh I don't know, the invention of the printing press.

has someone's child been posting enough videos on social media?

maybe you can make an AI phone call, that of a kidnapper extorting you for money, with your child pleading for help in the background

enough "technological progress" for you yet?

This is already a thing. It's horrifying but it's not as bad as nuclear weapons.

I could go on, but, you get the idea

I believe that those who are not concerned about this are either simply uninformed, or there's a failure of imagination on the capabilities we're handing over to malicious actors - long before we've even started talking about AGI

Option C: They distrust people who keep waving hysteria about the Latest Thing and are proven wrong time and time again that it's not as big of a deal as it seems. Whether it be climate change, covid or war in Ukraine these people are proven to be full of misinformation and have lost all their credibility.

so what should we do about this?

I think the first step is that we have to slow down research for now

it's near impossible to uninvent something, and we have to tread very lightly when playing with this kind of power

I'm not alone in this, by the way

LOL good fucking luck with that.

second - I'm really wary of people pushing for this to be easily accessible to the public

we should heavily restrict AI under harsh regulation, to only focus it on areas where it's legitimately useful, for example, as a tool for research in medicine

LOL good fucking luck with that.

third - we should probably not use AI for art

do we really want to AI generated art to displace human made art?

not just in the workplace, but in public social life in general, in the name of productivity and quantity?

to me, art should be made by people who care

There are two snuck in premises here: 1) that AI generated art will "displace" human made art. 2) that existing art is made by people who "care." As seen time and time again in this thread, if your art is dogshit or generic then of course AI will kick your ass. But if you take the time to actually make something unique that can't be made by AI, then you should be fine. Of course, this requires skill, which every artist who complains about AI doesn't have.

 

[SpinelessArtist]

But one should know for a fact countless creatives tend to be fucked in the head, so much so that anything going against their mental narrative is a pest that needs to be squashed.

Couldn't have said it better. If 90% of art nowadays wasn't filled to the brim with politics from the alphabet soup community and general retardation from children with short attention spans, then maybe I would feel sad.

It's like a drawing isn't just a drawing these days. It has to involve the artist as a person, what is his circle of influence, what are his opinions on certain subjects, who he votes for, etc. AI doesn't give a fuck about any of that, it doesn't make drama, it doesn't sperg on twitter about pronouns.

Art is nothing more than a tool of influence for people with bad social skills and below average intelligence; a general audience doesn't care about that, like you said. Content is what matters, and with how quick AI art is done, it's natural that people are driven to it.

If you want to be on par with Midjourney, STFU and draw, faggot!

 

[weirdMcGee]

Couldn't have said it better. If 90% of art nowadays wasn't filled to the brim with politics from the alphabet soup community and general retardation from children with short attention spans, then maybe I would feel sad.

It's like a drawing isn't just a drawing these days. It has to involve the artist as a person, what is his circle of influence, what are his opinions on certain subjects, who he votes for, etc. AI doesn't give a fuck about any of that, it doesn't make drama, it doesn't sperg on twitter about pronouns.

Art is nothing more than a tool of influence for people with bad social skills and below average intelligence; a general audience doesn't care about that, like you said. Content is what matters, and with how quick AI art is done, it's natural that people are driven to it.

If you want to be on par with Midjourney, STFU and draw, faggot!

"But don't you see, drawing is hard, and my attention deficient brain can't handle the meticulous hand strokes for several hours on end. Please understand... Also here's my tweet on why elon musk is satan incarnate, bye!"

like, you have no idea how freaking alienating politics posting on a art twitter account is. People are here for your art, not your personal mein kampf. Anyone who pulls this shit shouldn't be surprised when normies instant unfollow on mass. It's why more sane users on the platform just follow non-western/american artist. They rarely have the politized specialness that the west loves so much. Of course this could be chalked up to language barriers, if international lolcows are any indication. So it's not like the west is the only place filled with spergs who think they're god's gift to the world. But even then, they tend to be more vocal thanks to english being the most commonly taught language in the world. So sadly, a lot of non-westerners have to put up with all this gay shit.

 

[lolcow yoghurt]

AI is not just going to take away artists jobs, it's literally a digital nuclear bomb!

Literally a digital artist genocide.

 

[Mr.Miyagi]

AI is not just going to take away artists jobs, it's literally a digital nuclear bomb!

Literally a digital artist genocide.

Not just digital artists, it's all humanity. And I thought the "People are going to get murdered!" claims were just an outlier, they're really doomsaying over all of it.
"Development of automobile threatens end to human race, claims local equestrian!"

 

[AnOminous]

The solution is simple. Be skeptical of everything you see and never take things at face value.

But that's what literal Hitlernazis do!

 

[Welsh Catgirl Enjoyer]

Why is it twitter cunts getting pissed off,
JP Twitter seems to be alright with it and ones who are actuallly good at art fuck around with it.
Why Western twitter is just sperging out about it

Because Western Twitter is retarded enough to think that screaming enough about the technology will magically make it uninvent itself. Either that or they expect the AI industry to just suddenly "stop" because they're sleighted in a small way.

Honestly I'd be more sympathetic if the anti-AI weren't also the most frustrating and dumb pieces of shit imaginable. I come from more of the tech side and it's annoying seeing all of us get painted as "douchebag techbros" when most of the people likely share pro-privacy, pro-repairability and open source beliefs that pretty much makes us ideologically opposed to big-tech.

That and the amount of times I've seen an artist completely fuck up and misrepresent how the AI even works before getting a stick in their ass about someone who is an expert in the field correcting them because they think artists know everything about both sides. How many times have you heard them say "it just copies and pastes" when anyone with even a basic knowledge of machine learning will tell you that a trained model doesn't just "copy-and-paste" data from the training set.

 

[Spud]

it's literally a digital nuclear bomb!

Let's hope no one sets the defuse code as "nigger"

 

[Inafune Fanfiction]

Couldn't have said it better. If 90% of art nowadays wasn't filled to the brim with politics from the alphabet soup community and general retardation from children with short attention spans, then maybe I would feel sad.

It's like a drawing isn't just a drawing these days. It has to involve the artist as a person, what is his circle of influence, what are his opinions on certain subjects, who he votes for, etc. AI doesn't give a fuck about any of that, it doesn't make drama, it doesn't sperg on twitter about pronouns.

Art is nothing more than a tool of influence for people with bad social skills and below average intelligence; a general audience doesn't care about that, like you said. Content is what matters, and with how quick AI art is done, it's natural that people are driven to it.

If you want to be on par with Midjourney, STFU and draw, faggot!

Its also funny how many of these hypocrites also do nothing but spam AI generated shitposts these days to where most platforms have banned them outright. Fuck them. Let em seethe.

 

[𖦹Junkpop𖦹]

I think I can share this post, as creative writing is considered an art form. Scriptwriters in Hollywood have gone on strike because studios are turning to AI to create works based on books and public domain. Some of these writers deserve to be let go due to the poor quality of their work. Creativity is already dead within the industry, with many bland and soulless sequels and remakes being released. What Ai puts out could be no better than the work already being put out by script writers. But of course anti-AI spergs on twitter just have to cope and seethe about "AI is writing is blllannnnd wreaalll people writtaly losing dere jobs HUURH DURHH." Creativity itself is just taking elements from things that already exist and combining them to make your own thing. Nothing is truly original and everything has been done at this point.

I can't post screenshots right now, here are the links for the shit I'm talking about.

article - archive
tweet - archive

 

[Colon capital V]

I think I can share this post, as creative writing is considered an art form. Scriptwriters in Hollywood have gone on strike because studios are turning to AI to create works based on books and public domain. Some of these writers deserve to be let go due to the poor quality of their work. Creativity is already dead within the industry, with many bland and soulless sequels and remakes being released. What Ai puts out could be no better than the work already being put out by script writers. But of course anti-AI spergs on twitter just have to cope and seethe about "AI is writing is blllannnnd wreaalll people writtaly losing dere jobs HUURH DURHH." Creativity itself is just taking elements from things that already exist and combining them to make your own thing. Nothing is truly original and everything has been done at this point.

I can't post screenshots right now, here are the links for the shit I'm talking about.

article - archive
tweet - archive

Yknow it's funny, we complain a lot about how "The Industry" is soulless and creatively bankrupt, yet our solution to possibly bring back any semblance of creativity and life into works is Artificial Intelligence, something already void of any "soul" and "life" itself. Modern problems require modern solutions

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

Why is it twitter cunts getting pissed off,
JP Twitter seems to be alright with it and ones who are actuallly good at art fuck around with it.
Why Western twitter is just sperging out about it

Check JP artists more. Their profiles having the Japanese for "do not use for AI" is as common as "they/them" and troon flags are for Western artists. It isn't hard to find then liking or commenting on viral screedw about how AI is violating their copyright or other nonsense.

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/may/08/ai-machines-hallucinating-naomi-klein

https://archive.ph/p7RkX

What work are these benevolent stories doing in the culture as we encounter these strange new tools? Here is one hypothesis: they are the powerful and enticing cover stories for what may turn out to be the largest and most consequential theft in human history. Because what we are witnessing is the wealthiest companies in history (Microsoft, Apple, Google, Meta, Amazon …) unilaterally seizing the sum total of human knowledge that exists in digital, scrapable form and walling it off inside proprietary products, many of which will take direct aim at the humans whose lifetime of labor trained the machines without giving permission or consent.

This should not be legal. In the case of copyrighted material that we now know trained the models (including this newspaper), various lawsuits have been filed that will argue this was clearly illegal. Why, for instance, should a for-profit company be permitted to feed the paintings, drawings and photographs of living artists into a program like Stable Diffusion or Dall-E 2 so it can then be used to generate doppelganger versions of those very artists’ work, with the benefits flowing to everyone but the artists themselves?

The painter and illustrator Molly Crabapple is helping lead a movement of artists challenging this theft. “AI art generators are trained on enormous datasets, containing millions upon millions of copyrighted images, harvested without their creator’s knowledge, let alone compensation or consent. This is effectively the greatest art heist in history. Perpetrated by respectable-seeming corporate entities backed by Silicon Valley venture capital. It’s daylight robbery,” a new open letter she co-drafted states.

The trick, of course, is that Silicon Valley routinely calls theft “disruption” – and too often gets away with it. We know this move: charge ahead into lawless territory; claim the old rules don’t apply to your new tech; scream that regulation will only help China – all while you get your facts solidly on the ground. By the time we all get over the novelty of these new toys and start taking stock of the social, political and economic wreckage, the tech is already so ubiquitous that the courts and policymakers throw up their hands.

We saw it with Google’s book and art scanning. With Musk’s space colonization. With Uber’s assault on the taxi industry. With Airbnb’s attack on the rental market. With Facebook’s promiscuity with our data. Don’t ask for permission, the disruptors like to say, ask for forgiveness. (And lubricate the asks with generous campaign contributions.)

 

[SaltyFanta]

If I can be a whingey bitch for a minute, the speed at which AI art is advancing is honestly making me scared that the career I hoped to go into is crumbling under my feet. If there's no use for concept artists anymore, maybe I could still hold out doing modelwork for games, but even then I wouldn't be surprised if in five years a bot can generate every background asset your game will ever need. Comics probably aren't far behind either. Months ago I had posted in this thread saying that AI art couldn't manage details, and well, that's out the window.

I don't know if I should try and tough it out and do my best to develop a "unique" style, or if I should just cut my losses, swear off art forever, and go full time into my normal job. Or just kill myself, because I don't know if I could live with knowing that I'm a failure who wasn't good enough to keep up with the changes of the world.

Anyway. Apologies for being dramatic, but this is the seething thread, and brother I'm seething. Coping even.

I understand your concern and can relate to a degree, what reassured me most was seeing the contacts I have in industry's approach to AI. I know one studio in which they are using stable diffusion to generate backgrounds, but I've spoken to the environment artists, and they seem to be happy with it. Similar with animators, I've seen a lot of pros talk about using AI animation tools which do the physics for them.

I spoke to the director about it and his view of AI is that it'll be a tool that assists artists, kinda like how mocap automates a lot of the animation process, but animators still work on the mocap to make it perfect. People on Twitter act like you'll wake up tomorrow and be out of work because an AI stole your job, but in the real world these AI workflows are already assisting artists in industry.

My idea is that it's probably best to start using these tools, maybe do a use AI to make a background for a painting of a character. Best of luck to you man, you can make it.

 

[Lockheed Martin Engineer]

"Wow, this ai art ethics seems as very delicate question, let me see what artis-"
>artbors advocating to bring music industry-tier copyright standards into art world
>such things as copyright to artstyle is unironically discussed

Ok, fuck them.

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

"Wow, this ai art ethics seems as very delicate question, let me see what artis-"
>artbors advocating to bring music industry-tier copyright standards into art world
>such things as copyright to artstyle is unironically discussed

Ok, fuck them.

Copyrighting an artstyle is one of the most insane things I've ever heard of. Even music isn't copyrighted like that. But these anti-AI people really want that. It's absolutely nuts.

 

[AnOminous]

Copyrighting an artstyle is one of the most insane things I've ever heard of. Even music isn't copyrighted like that. But these anti-AI people really want that. It's absolutely nuts.

Then they can all sue each other because they all do the same dA/tumblr shit that every other retard also does.

 

[SaltyFanta]

Copyrighting an artstyle is one of the most insane things I've ever heard of. Even music isn't copyrighted like that. But these anti-AI people really want that. It's absolutely nuts.

It seems like what a lot of artists want to make most these days is money. Copyright powers should be weakened not strengthened. If Disney had that level of power they would own the concept of talking animals entirely forever.