AI Art Seething General

[SideshowSam's Manager]

I'm neutral on the subject of AI art in general but one thing these people never seem to think about is that perhaps when so many artists have their shit hidden behind paywalls and due to sites that scrap content directly from it you often have to go through annoying bullshit of joining their actual community discord or some other extra steps because these people's egos can't handle the fact that piracy spares no one, is it any wonder why ai art becomes appealing and popular for a lot of people?
No one is entitled to free art but neither is any artist entitled to attention and money especially when the community is a hivemind and you're not allowed to state the opinion that everyone hiding shit behind paywalls might backfire

They have bills to pay and they aren't multimillion-dollar companies. Marvel can afford some chink pirating their movies because they bring in billions from braindead consumers, artists barely get paid even with paywalls for shit that took years to learn and find an audience for. It sounds more like you feel entitled to someone else's labor, that was stolen to train their replacement. Artists can't draw for charity it takes time, effort and skill. Some smug AI "artists" just want to feel like downloading a generator puts them on the same level as actual artists. Despite really only being able to make bootleg commissions with no soul or creativity. They're exactly the type of soulless bugmen that the WEF wants people to be.

Genie is out of the bottle though and anyone trying to reverse course is retarded and needs to go pound sand. It's goyslop time.

 

[Dynamite Bean]

They have bills to pay and they aren't multimillion-dollar companies. Marvel can afford some chink pirating their movies because they bring in billions from braindead consumers, artists barely get paid even with paywalls for shit that took years to learn and find an audience for. It sounds more like you feel entitled to someone else's labor, that was stolen to train their replacement. Artists can't draw for charity it takes time, effort and skill. Some smug AI "artists" just want to feel like downloading a generator puts them on the same level as actual artists. Despite really only being able to make bootleg commissions with no soul or creativity. They're exactly the type of soulless bugmen that the WEF wants people to be.

Genie is out of the bottle though and anyone trying to reverse course is retarded and needs to go pound sand. It's goyslop time.

If taking comms can barley get bills paid then it's probably time to start seeking out a new job, granted i'm way more understanding if it's someone that lives in a 3rd world shithole where most actual jobs probably suck ass but anything else no. No one is entitled to free art and neither are artists entitled to fame, attention, nor money, and I'm just bringing up the point that it wouldn't surprise me if coomers tired of seeing what feels like most shit paywalled would probably prompt them to prefer using an AI for their needs anyway and while one can make the point they weren't ever their target audience to begin with it's still probably a factor regardless.

Again neutral and while I don't exactly disagree with you, this is a matter of the AI art locusts about to start making beggars unable to be choosers.

 

[SideshowSam's Manager]

Don't pretend to be neutral that's dishonest. You are in full support of artists having their art stolen and used by a company to train their replacement.
You are quite literally complaining that they are defending their art styles literally the only way they can. Their only other option is to freely give all their time and effort to some AI artist trying to make a fast buck. You are bitching that they haven't made it easy enough.

"If you want to see my artwork, you need to pay" I don't see how that makes them entitled to fame, money, or attention. That makes them a small business who makes money selling art.
"You need to take your art off the paywall, and let the AI artists scrape it!" Sounds like someone (specifically you) wants to take that artist's hard-earned skill and style for free because you want to freeload off both artists and software developers. Same people calling artists sore losers getting outdated probably rant about how shoplifters are bums and leeches.

 

[linchan]

They're exactly the type of soulless bugmen that the WEF wants people to be.

yes goyim, tell the rest. Make them scared of AI, and let them vote them out of using something free and public so only we, the ones with plentiful resources and assets, can use them. We need to strengthen copyright, and IP Laws to protect the tribe- I mean the artists.

 

[Roland TB-303]

Maybe don’t try to make a living on Twitter drawing pretty pictures because nobody gives a shit apart from other retards and you’ll be broke.

 

[SaltyFanta]

yes goyim, tell the rest. Make them scared of AI, and let them vote them out of using something free and public so only we, the ones with plentiful resources and assets, can use them. We need to strengthen copyright, and IP Laws to protect the tribe- I mean the artists.

While I don't think this is some Jewish conspiracy, I do think this is the goal of corporations moving into AI. They want a tech duopoly like we see in operating systems, or 3D software, with a massive conglomerate owning the majority of AI software, like Microsoft and Autodesk.

The AI seething just pushes me more towards AI, I've been working on a project and intended to use AI quite a bit for the background stuff, but I couldn't get Stable Diffusion working in the most version of the software I had installed, so I regretfully had to use other methods. Maybe next time.

 

[linchan]

While I don't think this is some Jewish conspiracy, I do think this is the goal of corporations moving into AI. They want a tech duopoly like we see in operating systems, or 3D software, with a massive conglomerate owning the majority of AI software, like Microsoft and Autodesk.

The AI seething just pushes me more towards AI, I've been working on a project and intended to use AI quite a bit for the background stuff, but I couldn't get Stable Diffusion working in the most version of the software I had installed, so I regretfully had to use other methods. Maybe next time.

Literally, any right winger I've seen blames both sides, AI or anti-AI, on Jews, so it's meaningless to me but I totally agree with this theory. My suspicion was immediately confirmed when IBM and OpenAI directly asked AI to be regulated. Like it'll be one thing if it was pushed by independent scientists in the field, but the companies doing them directly is a red flag.

 

[Cats]

 

[ToroidalBoat]

art stolen

1: Such use could be at worst copyright infringement or "plagiarism" but not "theft".

2: Such use by AI can be a "transformative" derivative work rather than just copying.

 

[Wodanaz]

It sounds more like you feel entitled to someone else's labor

improve your craft, don't reject commissions that make you feel uncomfortable, appeal to a niche, offer more for less so as to build up an audience. it's not my problem that people can't adapt to the computer age properly. piracy doesn't discriminate between big companies and small individuals, you are not entitled to shit until the market decides that you are.

 

[macrodegenerate]

If you want to see my artwork, you need to pay" I don't see how that makes them entitled to fame, money, or attention. That makes them a small business who makes money selling art.
"You need to take your art off the paywall, and let the AI artists scrape it!" Sounds like someone (specifically you) wants to take that artist's hard-earned skill and style for free because you want to freeload off both artists and software developers. Same people calling artists sore losers getting outdated probably rant about how shoplifters are bums and leeches.

I thoroughly enjoy training LoRAs to emulate artist styles. If you aren't paying for sample data, you are a scumbag.

Now as for commissions, there's simply no way to accurately reproduce a commission from an artist that doesn't draw the same thing over and over. The easiest way to fine tune a model is to have similar data, and then it can only produce similar pictures to that data. If you aren't drawing the same thing over and over again in the same aspect ratio, you will probably be fine.

The best tunning I ever did was a Hypernetwork on a 500 image set for an artist at 768px. 99% of the time the images it produced had major defects in the prompting. Additional limbs would show up or be missing at times, in addition to problems with anatomy. The other 1% were salvageable images with correctable defects, but on closer inspection would always have defects that would show up after they were scaled to 1080x1080

 

[DeadwastePrime]

first it was just the art and i was like "ok i can live with that" but then they wanted the code thing too and im like why tho? youre telling me solo devs dont want people to have an edge over other solo devs? furthermore, how can you prove you werent using the ai stuff to begin with

also i learned it was more of an honor system. they dont actually have a way of telling if you used the ai generated code in your game. you couldve easily gotten away with using the ai for the code. probably wouldnt have dont the ai art thing unless its for quick concepting character ideas

 

[umami's milk]

AI images are starting to pop up more and more when I'm trying to look up photos of real life animals/people so yes I will be seething today.

 

[DrearyDoomguy]

AI images are starting to pop up more and more when I'm trying to look up photos of real life animals/people so yes I will be seething today.

I've noticed more and more image hosting services are adding a "filter out AI images" option so this problem appears to be largely self-correcting. It's just a matter of time before every website has such an option.

 

[AnOminous]

I've noticed more and more image hosting services are adding a "filter out AI images" option so this problem appears to be largely self-correcting. It's just a matter of time before every website has such an option.

And people are going to flag all their images as AI-generated? Also if you're looking for images you're generally not looking on imagederp.com or whatever, you're doing a GIS or using a search engine.

 

[SideshowSam's Manager]

I feel a lot of you are just taking the opportunity to dunk on artists due to whatever personal beef you have with them. Probably annoyed by porn artists paywalling shit you crank to, because otherwise, you'd be mad someone wasn't sharing their stupid fanart with you.

The quality of the internet was garbage even before bots started being used to inflate engagement, now those same bots will be making generated content along with any retard who clears the high bar of "Can read and use a phone app".

I'm glad I dislike using the internet. By the end of the decade, it'll just be one big goyslop dispenser for an increasing amount of terminally online dopamine addicts.

 

[AnOminous]

I feel a lot of you are just taking the opportunity to dunk on artists due to whatever personal beef you have with them.

The people seething aren't even artists. They're vermin. I'd applaud anything that harmed them.

 

[DrearyDoomguy]

And people are going to flag all their images as AI-generated? Also if you're looking for images you're generally not looking on imagederp.com or whatever, you're doing a GIS or using a search engine.

I can't speak to the problem on image search because I've never actually run into it. But there's usually specific sites, typically your imagederp or imagederp variants, where the majority of these images are hosted. Google could easily tag anything from such a site as AI in their search based on the site it's being hosted on. They are certainly not above punishing an entire site by downranking it in their search over something that does not reflect the majority of its content.

As for the sites themselves, the honor system seems to work so far. If it stops working they'll either ban untagged AI art or just ban AI art altogether. Those are the two realistic outcomes I see.

 

[AnOminous]

As for the sites themselves, the honor system seems to work so far. If it stops working they'll either ban untagged AI art or just ban AI art altogether. Those are the two realistic outcomes I see.

I'm not sure it would be easy to automate that. It seems like it is probably easier for AI to obfuscate its AI origin than for an opponent AI to identify such art despite obfuscation. So malicious actors could probably stay ahead of the arms race on that if they felt like doing so. And then there will be an even larger population that is completely apathetic about tagging it.

And if you have it done by humans, they'll chimp out and falsely mark stuff as AI when it isn't.

 

[Roland TB-303]

I feel a lot of you are just taking the opportunity to dunk on artists due to whatever personal beef you have with them. Probably annoyed by porn artists paywalling shit you crank to, because otherwise, you'd be mad someone wasn't sharing their stupid fanart with you.

The quality of the internet was garbage even before bots started being used to inflate engagement, now those same bots will be making generated content along with any retard who clears the high bar of "Can read and use a phone app".

I'm glad I dislike using the internet. By the end of the decade, it'll just be one big goyslop dispenser for an increasing amount of terminally online dopamine addicts.

My issue is below average anime and furry artists shitting and pissing themselves about losing a career in art when making money from art is reserved for 1% of the market. It’s a terrible career decision and they have nobody to blame but themselves. Due to making no money they’re probably welfare leeches funding their pathetic lifestyle off the backs of hardworking people who contribute more to society than cartoons to jack it to.