AI Art Seething General

[DrearyDoomguy]

I'm not sure it would be easy to automate that. It seems like it is probably easier for AI to obfuscate its AI origin than for an opponent AI to identify such art despite obfuscation. So malicious actors could probably stay ahead of the arms race on that if they felt like doing so. And then there will be an even larger population that is completely apathetic about tagging it.

I could be wrong but GIS seems to have the capability of reading enough metadata to display the resolution of every image it pulls, so if they were able to convince sites to tag their images as AI with some standard in my opinion it's feasible. Of course the big challenge of all this is actually tagging AI, but the same reason AI art is so prominent is in my opinion why it's also relatively easy to moderate; AI art allows a user to churn out images like there's no tomorrow. You could generate 50 images and upload them all at once to an image site. This is why it's so easy for it to clog up image search results but it also makes the user responsible stick out like a sore thumb. It seems to me like it's usually still a small number of users generating the vast majority of the images, which makes it less of a game of whack-a-mole than if it were more users doing smaller amounts at a time. That seems like a relatively consistent pattern of behavior so far that makes moderating this stuff have a relatively low number of maintenance points.
To be clear, I don't think any of this would be 100% effective; few solutions ever are. But I do think they seem like logical next steps which will eliminate the worst of the issue and render it a much more minor nuisance.

And if you have it done by humans, they'll chimp out and falsely mark stuff as AI when it isn't.

It's already happened on Reddit. Someone posted their art and it got banned because the brainlet hivemind thought it looked too much like AI art. Someone did an AI cover of some dub voice actor singing the Welcome To the Internet song and the VA in question managed to take it down with a DMCA. Not saying it's a good thing but I think it's inevitable given the current state of the internet that heavy handed moderation starts happening.

 

[Dynamite Bean]

I feel a lot of you are just taking the opportunity to dunk on artists due to whatever personal beef you have with them. Probably annoyed by porn artists paywalling shit you crank to, because otherwise, you'd be mad someone wasn't sharing their stupid fanart with you.

The quality of the internet was garbage even before bots started being used to inflate engagement, now those same bots will be making generated content along with any retard who clears the high bar of "Can read and use a phone app".

I'm glad I dislike using the internet. By the end of the decade, it'll just be one big goyslop dispenser for an increasing amount of terminally online dopamine addicts.

You can go to twitter where you'll get the asspats you desire for your stunning and brave defense of fools who sought to make their hobby their job and had no backup plan.

 

[umami's milk]

IMO, the people seething the hardest about AI are the same ones who have been plaguing the creative industries with recycled, low-effort beanmouth trash for the past decade and a half, so of course cheap mediocrity is panicking that even cheaper, more mediocre garb is soon coming to replace them.

 

[linchan]

My issue is below average anime and furry artists shitting and pissing themselves about losing a career in art when making money from art is reserved for 1% of the market. It’s a terrible career decision and they have nobody to blame but themselves. Due to making no money they’re probably welfare leeches funding their pathetic lifestyle off the backs of hardworking people who contribute more to society than cartoons to jack it to.

I don't think it's necessarily a bad career, artists who apply themselves and take risks can make it. That being said, 70% of artists on Twitter I've seen are people who don't have career prospects beyond appealing to the niche following they cultivated. I never actually see any of these artists talking about looking for a job in the industry, they usually just interact with other artists draw fan art, and leave commission links. I do see resumes occasionally, but like most artists on Twitter, I don't think they ever thought about an art career beyond having a side hustle. Either way, their career is bad in the sense they don't ever take risks or bother to achieve a higher status, which applies to most forms of work. It's easier said than done being a wagie, but having a career does require expanding your comfort zone, and some people think just being in this comfort zone is enough.

 

[Justwandering02]

IMO, the people seething the hardest about AI are the same ones who have been plaguing the creative industries with recycled, low-effort beanmouth trash for the past decade and a half, so of course cheap mediocrity is panicking that even cheaper, more mediocre garb is soon coming to replace them.

for that AI art is a blessing. But I doubt common artist will ever stop, they will just whine more

 

[TV's Adam West]

Don't pretend to be neutral that's dishonest. You are in full support of artists having their art stolen and used by a company to train their replacement.

Yeah. Art isn't a profession. It's a cheap catch all for fuck offs and misfits.

 

[Dynamite Bean]

Not exactly AI art related but still on topic somewhat, chaner speaks in about the problem of artists doing annoying shit to prevent piracy and how it hurts paying users more than anything
(and also once again why more and more people will probably turn to AI art like I said in a post before)

 

[AnOminous]

IMO, the people seething the hardest about AI are the same ones who have been plaguing the creative industries with recycled, low-effort beanmouth trash for the past decade and a half, so of course cheap mediocrity is panicking that even cheaper, more mediocre garb is soon coming to replace them.

Honestly whenever I hear AI seething I immediately assume it's one of these cancerous scum who have basically infested and destroyed every worthwhile media genre in existence with their wokeshit and their zero quality lazy garbage. They can burn in hell.

Not exactly AI art related but still on topic somewhat, chaner speaks in about the problem of artists doing annoying shit to prevent piracy and how it hurts paying users more than anything

This is why you hoist the Jolly Roger and sail the high seas.

 

[Fluoxetine Man]

Austin McConnell put out an interesting video about AI Art since he got a lot of butthurt comment's from his Spider-Queen video that uses some AI art in it

While I find a lot of AI art lazy and uninspired (there are exceptions and AI music covers can be pretty fun), I agree with McConnell that no one has the right to dictate what others can create (around 19:08 ), and to me that's why I could never get behind the Anti-AI side even as an artist/animator working in the creative industry. It's just the same dickheads that would unperson you because you drew a spicy picture that wasn't 'politically correct'. Also, I laugh at the 'AI is stealing' argument, because any artist worth their salt steals, swipes, copies and takes shortcuts all the time!

 

[Inafune Fanfiction]

any artist worth their salt steals, swipes, copies and takes shortcuts all the time!

This is the retard attitude behind everything going to shit over the last decade. Fuck off commie.

 

[Maurice Maine]

This is the retard attitude behind everything going to shit over the last decade. Fuck off commie.

Tell that to Quentin Tarantino. Guy translated 70s exploitation films to the modern era.

 

[Roland TB-303]

This is the retard attitude behind everything going to shit over the last decade. Fuck off commie.

You obviously have no idea how culture is propagated. Absolutely retarded take.

 

[RollerGator]

Tell that to Quentin Tarantino. Guy translated 70s exploitation films to the modern era.

Tarantino just copied and pasted scenes he likes from better movies. Watch films like SS Girls or Massacre Mafia Style and you'll see it yourself. These types of movies are more entertaining and don't have the pretentious nerd shit you get from Tarantino.

Yeah. Art isn't a profession. It's a cheap catch all for fuck offs and misfits.

Profession -
a paid occupation, especially one that involves prolonged training and a formal qualification.

Seethe

I feel a lot of you are just taking the opportunity to dunk on artists due to whatever personal beef you have with them. Probably annoyed by porn artists paywalling shit you crank to, because otherwise, you'd be mad someone wasn't sharing their stupid fanart with you.

The quality of the internet was garbage even before bots started being used to inflate engagement, now those same bots will be making generated content along with any retard who clears the high bar of "Can read and use a phone app".

I'm glad I dislike using the internet. By the end of the decade, it'll just be one big goyslop dispenser for an increasing amount of terminally online dopamine addicts.

Most of these people have no talents or hobbies and feel like this is a "muh culture war" issue they need to pick a side on. So art = bad because "muh libtards"
Also they strongly support AI because they believe they will have an AI gf someday.

 

[umami's milk]

Most of these people have no talents or hobbies and feel like this is a "muh culture war" issue they need to pick a side on. So art = bad because "muh libtards"
Also they strongly support AI because they believe they will have an AI gf someday.

Or perhaps, a secret third position where you acknowledge that AI art has mostly been shit, is mostly shit, will continue to be mostly shit, while also observing that the other side is ready to jump the gun and will make rash decisions regarding IP law that will forever impact the art world just for the sake of owning something that is just bouncing around circles of techbros and porn addicts.

 

[AnOminous]

This is the retard attitude behind everything going to shit over the last decade. Fuck off commie.

Enjoy being angry and gay. You will be doing it for a while.

 

[RollerGator]

Enjoy being angry and gay. You will be doing it for a while.

This reply sounded like a Patrick Tomlinson tweet in my head.

Enjoy prison, stalker. You will be there for a while.
This website has broken my brain.

 

[Omen_Sulk]

I've been playing around with Stable Diffusion. Interesting result, some surprisingly good. So far faces/eyes/hands/limbs in general have been kind of iffy, but absolutely, even in their current state these things can fill in some slots that normally someone would turn to an artist for.

I've gotten interested in AI art in the last few months since it's become photorealistic. AI art is almost perfect at static poses. But as soon as you introduce more complex generation issues, you see it struggling. For example action poses, center of balance and direction of force it doesn't really now how to do.

Or foreshortening of the Torso when its contorted, it becomes immediately apparent, because it is doing a common mistake actual artists do, it doesn't know how much of the torso to obscure behind the foreshortening. You notice in some AI art, where the hand is supposed to be partially obscured by say a skirt, but the hand is fully visible like it was cut and pasted on. The AI also sometimes also "forgets" that an object behind the subject has continuity despite being partially obscured.

Interaction between subjects is also near impossible. Say if you created a subject poking someone elses shirt they are wearing, you'll see the poke, but theres no deformation of the shirt. To the AI, they are completely different unrelated subjects.

 

[Roland TB-303]

I've gotten interested in AI art in the last few months since it's become photorealistic. AI art is almost perfect at static poses. But as soon as you introduce more complex generation issues, you see it struggling. For example action poses, center of balance and direction of force it doesn't really now how to do.

Or foreshortening of the Torso when its contorted, it becomes immediately apparent, because it is doing a common mistake actual artists do, it doesn't know how much of the torso to obscure behind the foreshortening. You notice in some AI art, where the hand is supposed to be partially obscured by say a skirt, but the hand is fully visible like it was cut and pasted on. The AI also sometimes also "forgets" that an object behind the subject has continuity despite being partially obscured.

Interaction between subjects is also near impossible. Say if you created a subject poking someone elses shirt they are wearing, you'll see the poke, but theres no deformation of the shirt. To the AI, they are completely different unrelated subjects.

What models are you using for photorealism?

 

[Omen_Sulk]

What models are you using for photorealism?

I'm not using anything. I've just been looking at hundreds and hundreds of AI created stuff with guys using some of the most powerful home rigs possible. And I've repeatedly noticed these issues. Across multiple people generating stuff.

 

[I Love Beef]

Or perhaps, a secret third position where you acknowledge that AI art has mostly been shit, is mostly shit, will continue to be mostly shit, while also observing that the other side is ready to jump the gun and will make rash decisions regarding IP law that will forever impact the art world just for the sake of owning something that is just bouncing around circles of techbros and porn addicts.

I can agree with Rastafarian Skeleton on his stance on the nature of people here on the Farms, but I can agree that anyone who gets afraid of AI art because "it will steal your assets and rob people of their jobs" are fucking stupid.

I honestly don't feel bad if artists these days fear if their trade will be taken from them by machines. They are sucking their own shit in a form of self pity and delusional despair. Have these fuckers ever developed their sense of creativity and imagination? Do they even have an actual passion for art despite all horseshit that comes their way? I don't give a shit about artstyles either, it doesn't matter what artstyle you aim for. If you do not have a sense of creativity, actual openminded imagination, or even at least the burning drive that will bulldoze through anything in its way no matter how long or how obstructive life can be, you're fucked as an artist.

Spoiler: For my privacy

Also, actual artists like me are fucking anal about details. While I don't fucking care about what art style you use, actual artists care about giving their work a feeling to it and care what details they wish to put into it. I have used AI. If you think that as an artist it's hard that your vision isn't that great out on paper/the screen, AI is fucking worse. It's the equivalent of gambling. And even then, it's hard work to fine tune the results. I've only used word prompts and sfw generators, surface iceberg stuff. The pros have their own CPUs and setups like bitcoin scramblers. Thst shit costs money as well. AI art isn't a fucking genie in a bottle. It does shit beyond even odd limbs and fingers that is astronomically not up to my standards. If you're afraid the money and time you drop into your art won't net you gains immediately, get the fuck out of my sight. You're a fucking stiff, not an artist.

Also, while I have my pride and sympathies, I have my have reservations about overseas anime artists as well. We've had 30+ years to make our own anime shit. It's a new frontier out here, but if you think you'll forever get by on commissions and fanart, you're sorely mistaken. Burnout is real. You'll get an itch to want to make shit of your own, while at the same time if you don't have what it takes to climb that mountain, you're already dead cold in your career. Japan already upped the stakes since Marvel and DC fucked over the comics industry of what will actually sell. You think having the prettiest art will pull you through? Mangaka do art, story direction and overall management of their properties, including business and company relations. Video game art teams also have to learn how to program and design as according to their possibilties and limits of their project. Don't think the hoity toity art institute fags and any of their fart huffing will give a fuck about you either. They're too busy worshipping the dead, being the greatest hipster faggots over centuries old pop art, or money laundering to care what happens in the art world. 30+ fucking years. Boy do I love this brain draining society full of cultural and institutional fuckups.

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