I think it's worth pointing out the context in which he is saying that too. He is replying to someone who says that Shad simply hates the process of drawing because it takes too long. Yet Szymanski is the guy who is renown for making low-polygon, low-resolution games. Why does he do that, I wonder, as an indie game developer? It's almost like he is doing it to... save time. I am sure if he did not feel honour-bound by the Twitter book of autism, he would gladly integrate AI into his game development workflow to improve the fidelity of assets in his games. This is obviously what all video game developers are going to do soon, not just indie game developers. I believe some big studios already have been rumoured to generate some of their assets, but I cannot remember which ones. All he is doing is giving way to competitors, because the average consumer is not going to give a flying fuck about whether something is generated or not. If it "looks good," that's what it is.
All of these clowns are shooting themselves in the foot. A real artist has nothing to fear from AI. If you are scared of automation then you subconsciously know your job is basic, otherwise you would not feel compelled to display such animosity towards someone who has done absolutely no wrong to you.
On some level I would think even is Shad was able to draw and paint like Frank Frazetta they would still diss him because he is not in the Twitter hivemind.
Well even otherwise cause Frank Frazetta is problematic, he draws strong naked men fighting shit and sexy naked women. Shad is a lazy fuck whos just jealous of Jazza and formed his identity around it.
I think the tech itself is impressive, and in hindsight it makes sense that AI got good at making images. Art on the technical level is about relationships and patterns. It can be really turned into math, and computers are really good at that.
I know but the understanding of light and texture in those batman pictures is beyond fucking impressive for 45 seconds, much less the anatomy on display. I still cant understand how light and texture works completely cause theyre complicated subjects, representing light through ink especially is really insanely complicated.
Well even otherwise cause Frank Frazetta is problematic, he draws strong naked men fighting shit and sexy naked women. Shad is a lazy fuck whos just jealous of Jazza and formed his identity around it.
Sure, I don't really care about Shadiversity in general. But I know that because he is openly Religious and a Conservative, he is judged differently. These are the "people" who used to worship JK Rowling as a goddess and basically turned her into the devil because she said Feminism should be about Women (female).
If Elon was really based, he would have nuked Twitter. The whole format is cursed.
I know but the understanding of light and texture in those batman pictures is beyond fucking impressive for 45 seconds, much less the anatomy on display. I still cant understand how light and texture works completely cause theyre complicated subjects, representing light through ink especially is really insanely complicated.
The 45 seconds figure is tricky, because even if discount that the actual art that was fed into the machine was created over the duration of several thousand or even more of hours, the training of the model itself is what taking a long time to actually process that. A sort of problem with ML is that you can't just open up the hood and fix an issue you see. You need to basically steer the whole model into a certain direction with new training data.
Even a simple generative AI can take weeks to be retaught, then imagine the huge ones and they have warehouses full of GPUs to do the crunching.
On some level I would think even is Shad was able to draw and paint like Frank Frazetta they would still diss him because he is not in the Twitter hivemind.
They don't give a fuck about the actual output or quality of art. da Vinci himself could rise from the dead and say "hey, AI art is neat" and people on Twitter would be tripping over themselves to try and point out how "flawed" his art is compared to whatever gay anime artist they follow.
I am sure if he did not feel honour-bound by the Twitter book of autism, he would gladly integrate AI into his game development workflow to improve the fidelity of assets in his games.
That's always one of the most amusing parts of this all to me. All of these people hating on AI could be using it to great success. Every single one of them could be easily increasing the visual appeal of their work, generating concepts for things to draw, fixing minor mistakes without having to completely redraw a portion, etc. But no, they have been told AI is bad so it is bad, period, no thought at all. I am convinced that a lot of anti-AI people are doing it simply because their ego won't allow them to say "dang, okay, I was wrong", or out of fear for being "cancelled".
They don't give a fuck about the actual output or quality of art. da Vinci himself could rise from the dead and say "hey, AI art is neat" and people on Twitter would be tripping over themselves to try and point out how "flawed" his art is compared to whatever gay anime artist they follow.
Yknow honestly, has Steam's "Anti-AI" art rulecuck been put to the test? Sure if "LOL GAMES CO." put out a bunch of low effort shitty games with suspiciously high quality art, then yeah it'd be obvious to see there. But would they really notice the AI art if it was tweaked a bit to look a bit better?
In fact what's even the threshold to get a game shutdown for using ai art? Is there a limit to how much can be in it before they take notice? How "AI" does it have to be to be taken down? Could a player report a game and say "it's using AI art" and take it down there, no questions asked? What are the limits of this "No AI" rule?
At best it's just a vauge guideline by Steam to weedout the shitty low-effort publications by cashgrab companies, and at worst it's a very easy and exploitable rule to take down games people don't like.
As far as I'm aware, you're expected to self-report on if you used AI and how you used it, and whether you owned the assets used in generation. It's one of those trap questions where all you have to do is say you didn't, they don't have the time or the tools to examine the sheer amount of content entering their platform daily. At the same time, no one wants to lie to Valve and be discovered later and get banned forever from basically the only relevant place to publish games.
One of the prominent early examples of AI on Steam was High on Life which used MidJourney to generate weird movie poster art. MidJourney wasn't an ""ethical"" model at the time (no idea if it is now), and yet the game stays up.
It's all performative until the wind shifts and it becomes impossible to keep AI off the platform.
That's always one of the most amusing parts of this all to me. All of these people hating on AI could be using it to great success. Every single one of them could be easily increasing the visual appeal of their work, generating concepts for things to draw, fixing minor mistakes without having to completely redraw a portion, etc. But no, they have been told AI is bad so it is bad, period, no thought at all. I am convinced that a lot of anti-AI people are doing it simply because their ego won't allow them to say "dang, okay, I was wrong", or out of fear for being "cancelled".
No it's from fear of being replaced. Same when photography came on the scene, before then if you wanted a picture of yourself you needed an artist and different styles commanded different prices and audiences, with photos you don't need all that, you still need skill for good photos and a sense of style but artists lost alot of control they once had in deciding who or what is remembered and how and being artistic is much less a barrier to simply taking a photo rather than trying to get a portrait of any quality
Now you still need an artist if you want a sense of personality and better quality for whatever meme or porn or badass t-shirt design but it's no longer a strict necessity to have one for some if inferior version of any of these things..
It's ironically a bemoaning of relaxation of a monopoly to more people with different skills
It took Shad four hours for this?! The original AI version looks 'better' (ignoring the two earths), cause at least her anime style head fits the proportions. Just ask your wife to dress up as Supergirl mate. Shad loves to talk about importance of meritocracy and gatekeeping to stop sjw's from shitting up things he likes, but cries about 'elitism' and gatekeeping when artists tell him his AI art is shit.
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Shad: 'I'm at a professional standard, you know that!'
Jazza: '....I'm...I respectfully disagree.'
Taken from this response to Shads original video. Shad's art, while amateurish showed he has some skill, and if he kept at it he would have gotten better, maybe even at the same level as Jazza! But gave up too soon (I think in one video he says he doesn't 'enjoy' drawing). As I said before, I have nothing against AI art and people who use it (shit-posting using AI art is very fun!), and actual artists aren't gonna stop making art, and the smart ones will use AI to make some processes faster. But AI Artbros, don't cry when someone points out that you just commissioned a computer to draw your big titty anime waifu for free.
About time the Mormon Shad situation seething is still ongoing lmfao.
Shad's explanation about the benefits of AI-assistance for the artist to be equally leveled on professionalism quality of rendering made me optimistic that any artists stuck on a wall from any reason like overworking causing Carpal Tunnel/Tendon physical issues that prevented them from improving and going further.
Where can use these new tools to cut though the gunt-work which artists have never admitted of mentioning on how tedious it can get, let alone any awareness that some artists want more into life like thriving towards prosperity(raising a family, kids, business, etc) of normalcy(which Shad the Mormon has accomplished and why they're so buck-broken enviously).
Maybe if the furfaggot artist has any brain-cels left and bothered to do research about using AI transforming sketch drawings into polished renderings, could've been in a different situation by now and let alone giving up on doing furryshit in return of normalcy.
I also saw people these same times shittalk roiland saying he was disposable and his own show was better without him and that they couldnt tell a difference, well let me tell you something, the only difference the masses will note when theyre distracted by the cool new ai based toys coming out is that their movies will go back to appealing to everyone with generic scripts rather than generic scripts that shame them for their race and gender. All you are to companies and to regular people are liabilities and potential lawsuits and a middlemen to profit that adds in ridiculous unwarranted divisive and mean spiritied political themes where it doesnt belong. people who ask for more while calling everyone else privileged and demanding austerity and appealing to a moral obligation to be kind from the people you spit on.
let this generation of artists go hungry in the cold i say.
I say let those in higher establishments and media-art bullshit factory institutions die out, because those gatekeepers for years recently have been degrading and demoralizing anyone who's been trying to develop their technical skills for years though judgment of merit, and causing bullshit narrative agendas spawing from their ignorant elitism.
Fuck them, let hybrid AI niggas fast forward the experience barrier without having to waste a lifetime away manually trying to illustrate like AI quality rendering.
There's more to life than having to kill yourself desperately figuring out how to render quickly masterpiece grade quality illustrations so easily. I'd be more impressed if anyone could do that in traditional mediums obviously.
The image he is proud to showcase is once again not particularly good, with poor composition and other issues. While Shadiversity's tone be construed as vaguely passive aggressive, he does not ever explicitly insult AI detractors, simply voicing a stern disagreement. However, that does not stop spergs on Xitter from having an absolute meltdown over the tweet. Here is the DUSK developer David Szymanski spewing vitriol against him, talking down to him in a highly patronising and insulting manner without provocation.
Ironic regardless of the questionable results he made, it managed to get the attention of showing the benefit they refuse to adapt to.
Even worse when a game-dev is bullshiting without reason but to crowd in the narrative.
So using AI is a "waste of talent" and "tragic", but crudely pasting a jumble of blurry textures onto a low poly model as a jump scare isn't? Okay dude. Glass houses and all.
I'm led to believe these established artists of any kind(like the salty game-dev) barely understand comparing the difference between producing their own fast shitpost-tier assets(like that low-poly example) manually or using generated AI-assisted types(Shad's Photoshopping hax techniques).
Even for me personally, dealing with the never-ending mental-gymnastics of drawing for a long time is enough to make one have disdain burnout towards of trying to enjoy and evolving the process, especially when there's many different aspects on the fundamentals of illustration just to remember constantly can take a toll on some people, so it seems understandable that the barrier of wanting to deliver ideas are conflicted by skill execution which gatekeepers of the institution are desperate to hold on to dear life.
All of these clowns are shooting themselves in the foot. A real artist has nothing to fear from AI. If you are scared of automation then you subconsciously know your job is basic, otherwise you would not feel compelled to display such animosity towards someone who has done absolutely no wrong to you.
This is where I truly believe that the technology can be used to benefit those into evolving their skills equally and better by speed of the automation, especially how GPU logic operates deep down within the perspective matrix space, which I personally think that GPUs should've done that type of automatic art assistance job a decade ago helping digital artists into instantly filling in the textured coloring, lighting, and perspective with pre-tensor calculation techniques, but they would've lost their minds against motivation of giving graphic processors that amount of power.
I dont like AI to be honest, its just the result of lazy people pushing for more efficiency at the cost of human experience but Im not gonna lie this shit is incredibly impressive
The second one is literally Jim Lee's Batman with extra shit added on top. The others for some reason have the Hulk's arms when Mike Deodato Jr draws him.
Of course he gets mega butthurt and cherry picks the worst example of modern comic art (from a few years ago) as a rebuttal.
I wonder how Shad would react if Jazza used AI to write a fantasy novel, and then claim he is a legit author, and Chat GTP is just a tool to help Jazza depict his artistic vision?
The second one is literally Jim Lee's Batman with extra shit added on top. The others for some reason have the Hulk's arms when Mike Deodato Jr draws him.
Jim Lee doesnt draw anymore and when he does on twitch it looks very meh. Still its a very tough effort to imitate Jim Lees Artstyle when he did Hush, its still the best book he ever did. Mike Deodato Jr though, eh not really, the third one looks like a Kenshiro Punch since the prompt did say Tetsuo Hara and the fourth one does have Hulk arms but all of them imitate more mangaesque inking techniques than western inking, maybe World War Hulk arms but I dont think Deodato Jr did that. Mike Deodato Jr in fact is more skilled now than he was during the Elektra days since now his art is a lot more photorealistic akin to 60s 70s Painted Hollywood Posters, read Red Zone, Absolution and the Fourth Man.
Shad certainly is a very bad artist and is blind to the fundamental flaws in his composition, contrast, colour, lighting, etc., but it is largely irrelevant. The fact that these Xitter "artists" (someone who draws porn for a living) feel so threatened by a stooge because he is using AI says a lot more about them than it does about Shad. If Shad is so bad, then clearly he should not be worth popping an ulcer over. Their actions suggest otherwise. I don't really care about AI art, I only find it hilarious how much existential pain and suffering it is causing these terminally online hacks.
There are skills involved but what once took 100 hours could end up as 10 hours as UI and tools evolve. Something like ControlNet alone is a massive step towards "getting something 1% as good as you envisioned".
Come back in 2 years and all this software will be much more powerful and easier to use, even if the models themselves don't change much.
I've used AI art generators a few times to make fake portraits for the royal family from a story of mine. It's a fun tool. Not perfect, but I always enjoy playing around with it because even with the imperfections I enjoy seeing my characters come to life. I always kind of chuckle when I see artists throwing a bitch fit about it because they're losing money when I know for a fact that I wouldn't be able to afford one commission of a renaissance-style royal portrait, let alone multiple. If AI art had never come to be, I'd have just contented myself with imagining those portraits in my head rather than shell out hundreds of dollars on a whim. They'd never get my money in either scenario so there's no real reason to freak out.
Yes (currently). AI art is amazing if you don't care what you get out of it and will be happy with whatever high quality big titted girl gets generated. If you want something very specific, you have to be prepared to spend hours and still end up dissatisfied.
This is something a lot of artists don't even know about AI because they haven't used it. They see an amazing image and are like "oh shit I'm out of a job," not realizing that image was just whatever the fuck came out first and wasn't specifically requested to have all those details in those exact positions.
Man, this looks like garbage. If I was an artist and someone showed me this telling that it took them a lot of time to generate it using AI, I'd breathe a sigh of relief.
AI art has made me realize how many artists lack style. I hardly ever see anything that sticks with me.
Like this picture, I've seen plenty of Touhou art and this is the first time I can see a picture of someone and immediately remember the author. It's hard to explain. You could say that it isn't the most technically amazing thing you've ever seen but the artstyle and coloring sets it apart.
