AI Art Seething General

How much is the loss of jobs attributed to AI right now actually because of AI. I thought we've been experiencing a lot of employment stagnation in general because of the ongoing wars and the lingering effects of COVID, especially in a financially risky industry like entertainment.

Part of me feels like the immediate pointing to AI as the cause for the loss of jobs is a scapegoat for terrible management.

Say what you want about AI, but I don't think newest technology coming out would be adopted this fast no matter how good they are. I genuinely think the loss of jobs being reported is largely fudged number to prey on fear-mongering.
 
How much is the loss of jobs attributed to AI right now actually because of AI. I thought we've been experiencing a lot of employment stagnation in general because of the ongoing wars and the lingering effects of COVID, especially in a financially risky industry like entertainment.

Part of me feels like the immediate pointing to AI as the cause for the loss of jobs is a scapegoat for terrible management.

Say what you want about AI, but I don't think newest technology coming out would be adopted this fast no matter how good they are. I genuinely think the loss of jobs being reported is largely fudged number to prey on fear-mongering.
AI is part of it but it's not the main driving force. From what I understand, companies are still trying to find ways to incorporate it (and generally succeeding) to reduce labor costs but it'll be a while before it really starts carving holes in the workforce. It still mostly requires human steering which is funnily enough creating a new kind of job.
I've heard that some companies are just not bothering with interns anymore and are just having their existing employees supplement that using tools like ChatGPT, and as far as I'm aware that's the furthest it's gone at this point in time; it'll probably lead to a larger loss of jobs at a later point in time and end up creating new ones in their place.
 
More an informational post than anything, but do expect people seething about Level-5 games in the future because the Japanese teams are incorporating AI tools within their creative & development process. I assume more Japanese videogame companies will make use of these tools as well.

Level-5 gives examples of AI use in their projects, including generation of character concepts and quests in Decapolice​

Level-5 embraces the use of AI technologies in their development pipeline.
As Artificial Intelligence technologies, such as automated text, image or sound generation, continue to evolve, many ethical and legal questions arise surrounding their use. It is in that context that the Japanese government has been holding a “Study Committee on Intellectual Property Rights in the Age of AI” (AI時代の知的財産権検討会).

As reported on by ITmedia NEWS, the committee’s 4th meeting took place on December 11th, and Level-5’s CEO Akihiro Hino was among the list of speakers, with a presentation of a few examples of how the company integrates AI in the development of their various projects. You can find the complete PDF of the presentation on the committee’s website.

Title screen layout and concepts​

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Taking Megaton Musashi: Wired as an example, Hino explains that they first used StableDiffusion to generate illustration concepts. One of them was then chosen and used as a reference to create an original illustration, which was then animated and used as the game’s title screen. In this scenario, the title screen illustration is entirely original, with the AI-generated image only serving to give an idea for the illustration’s layout.

3D illustration concepts​

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Taking this time Yo-kai Watch protagonist Keita Amano (Nate Adams) as an example, Level-5 trains StableDiffusion on their own character design sheets, and provide the tool a base and instructions to generate 3D-style images, with various texture, lighting and atmosphere effects to experiment with and to serve as reference.

3D map concepts​

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AI is also used to generate 3D map references. Hino shows an example of a very simple 3D model of a room, with just the basic geometry and no textures. StableDiffusion is then used to generate illustrations of rooms, and these illustrations are then “projected” onto the room’s 3D model, in order to obtain a 3D map which can then be used as reference.

Background environment and illustration concepts​

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Level-5 also uses StableDiffusion to generate illustrations of environments, such as this futuristic city (which may be from Decapolice, as we’ll see in the next section). Generated images are then edited and modified to integrate various elements matching the game’s universe and worldview.

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AI can also be used to generate background elements such as buildings and crowds. One such example is Inazuma Eleven: Victory Road, which incorporated crowds from AI-generated images of stadiums in the background of key artwork from its 3rd trailer: while the characters in the foreground are definitely original illustrations, the audience in the background is entirely taken from AI-generated images.

Character and quest concepts​


This one is what will interest us the most, as even though Hino did not name the game, it is very clearly taken from Decapolice.

Level-5 uses ChatGPT to generate a large quantity of character concepts and quest contents, which are then used as reference during development. Using a “get_explain_aboutcrime” function, taking a quest name and summary as arguments, ChatGPT “imagines” the rest, and provides a complete overview of a case for the player to investigate, such as the key characters, how the crime took place and who the culprit is, what pieces of evidence can be found.
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The example given is a quest called “The Secret of the Futuristic City”, with the following summary: “A famous scientist was murdered in Neo City, and the results of his research have been stolen”. From there, ChatGPT gives a list of characters with names, ages, a brief summary of who they are, and what role they play in the story: the “famous scientist” from the initial pitch becomes Professor John Harris, a 45-year-old scientist who made a “groundbreaking invention”; meanwhile, the culprit (spoilers?) is his former colleague and rival Adam Smith, who commited the murder using poisonous gas in order to steal the prototype of a brand-new energy source.

All the data is provided in a convenient Excel spreadsheet format, which can be used by the development team as a reference to create the quest. Other generated data includes character stats, such as their HP, strength, defense…

Temporary voice generation​

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During development, Level-5 uses a combination of homemade tools and a voice synthesiser called VOICEVOX to generate temporary voice clips (mainly for short interjections such as “Hah!”, “Take this!”, “Great!”, to be used in battles for example). This allows them to quickly generate audio clips in large quantity and integrate them into the game during development, as placeholders until the actual voice lines are recorded by the voice actors.

Using AI for promotional materials​

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Level-5 also uses AI outside of game development, for tasks such as website development or creating promotional illustrations.

Their websites are programmed with the help of Genie AI (ChatGPT) and GitHub Copilot, which generate code automatically, or analyse the existing code to help identify possible optimisations.
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For promotional illustrations, just like other illustrations, StableDiffusion can be used to come up with composition ideas. This was the case for Inazuma Eleven’s 15th anniversary illustration, whose circle-shaped composition was inspired from an AI-generated image.

SwinIR is also used to upscale illustrations, for example to be able to display key artwork of their games on the walls of their Tokyo Game Show booth.
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Finally, even their Tokyo Game Show stage itself was conceived with the help of AI! StableDiffusion was used to generate design ideas of stages using 4 LED screens, and those served as a base to design the actual stage that was seen at the event.
In conclusion, Level-5 uses AI mainly as part of the ideation process, to generate base data around which they can develop game content, and generally speaking ease and improve their development workflow. This presentation gives a good idea of what part AI plays in the creative process, and how Level-5 attempts to make these technologies coexist with traditional artistic and technical skills (illustrating, voice acting, programming…).

Included the presentation pdf file below for the higher-resolution pictures.
 

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I know this is treading old ground on months old drama, but I find it really funny how a lot of people shat their pants over that one FNAF stop-motion animator using AI voices and not once did the topic of "is it ethical to use dead people's voices for artistic purposes?" ever came up in the conversation (since he used the OG actors and not that Grey DeIsle harpie).
 
Am I the only one here who thinks that 2024 and 2025 will be the year AI shit will hit the fan for good?

Do you know these fake accounts on Twitter who post vague AI generated comments so they earn revenue with Twitter's Blue subscription?
So, I think that with GPT4.5 and other technologies such as Google Gemini might make us end up at the point where we'll have people mass producing AI generated people with their own feelings, opinions, gender, writing style, and even art style.

And to top it off, there will be no human input. Generate 100 accounts, and they will evolve naturally.
Those AI generated people will act on their own, will "draw" on their own, will comment, rt, and debate people just like a human would.
It will be hard to differentiate a human from a bot, because bots are evolving fast, and in turn, humans on Twitter act more "bot-like" (Ratio, No Bitches, L, Bozo) thus putting us in a position where it's going to be impossible to know if the artist you like is a human or not.

They might even have "drama" with other AI generated people and sometimes cause drama with humans.

People will chimp out because they just realized that they spent months following and admiring a machine.
We might see people putting "[HUMAN]" "AI DNI" and "AIphobic" on their bios due to these new AI generated people.
AIs might even create new ideologies and concepts while accusing humans of being fascists or racists. Hell, some of these AIs might end up befriending each other while blocking humans in turn.
 
Am I the only one here who thinks that 2024 and 2025 will be the year AI shit will hit the fan for good?

Do you know these fake accounts on Twitter who post vague AI generated comments so they earn revenue with Twitter's Blue subscription?
So, I think that with GPT4.5 and other technologies such as Google Gemini might make us end up at the point where we'll have people mass producing AI generated people with their own feelings, opinions, gender, writing style, and even art style.

And to top it off, there will be no human input. Generate 100 accounts, and they will evolve naturally.
Those AI generated people will act on their own, will "draw" on their own, will comment, rt, and debate people just like a human would.
It will be hard to differentiate a human from a bot, because bots are evolving fast, and in turn, humans on Twitter act more "bot-like" (Ratio, No Bitches, L, Bozo) thus putting us in a position where it's going to be impossible to know if the artist you like is a human or not.

They might even have "drama" with other AI generated people and sometimes cause drama with humans.

People will chimp out because they just realized that they spent months following and admiring a machine.
We might see people putting "[HUMAN]" "AI DNI" and "AIphobic" on their bios due to these new AI generated people.
AIs might even create new ideologies and concepts while accusing humans of being fascists or racists. Hell, some of these AIs might end up befriending each other while blocking humans in turn.
In the future we will automate the total retard war.
 
It will be hard to differentiate a human from a bot, because bots are evolving fast, and in turn, humans on Twitter act more "bot-like" (Ratio, No Bitches, L, Bozo) thus putting us in a position where it's going to be impossible to know if the artist you like is a human or not.
This is Dead Internet Theory beginning to practice, all because instant gratification manic sensualists wanted entertainment and porn on mass, every other second, and for free.
 
Speaking of decently high profile games featuring AI content, multiplayer shooter The Finals had the anti-ai crowd sperging about the fact they utilized ai voices. Months later, the games out, and they didn't change shit, they didn't bow down to the autism, and the game seems to be decently successful right now. Pretty sure they even ADDED more ai content in the form of various textures and cosmetics.
 
Speaking of decently high profile games featuring AI content, multiplayer shooter The Finals had the anti-ai crowd sperging about the fact they utilized ai voices. Months later, the games out, and they didn't change shit, they didn't bow down to the autism, and the game seems to be decently successful right now. Pretty sure they even ADDED more ai content in the form of various textures and cosmetics.
How good are the voices? Because while messing with that tech is fun and all, it can be pretty limited in terms of the kind of emotions and emphasies you'd want to try to convey to people unless you have the dataset to help it. Not to mention that robotic "hisss" that comes with pronouncing consenants like "s, t, th, sh, ch..." etc.
 
We might see people putting "[HUMAN]" "AI DNI" and "AIphobic" on their bios due to these new AI generated people.
This pretty much already happens in the "real" art community. If you even mention that you aren't 100% anti-AI, you are effectively blacklisted from all except a few art sites. I've seen numerous Twitter artists with "AI DNI" and such in their profiles.
 
People will chimp out because they just realized that they spent months following and admiring a machine.
We might see people putting "[HUMAN]" "AI DNI" and "AIphobic" on their bios due to these new AI generated people.
It's pretty funny, I think most people assumed artists and leftists would be the first idiots to fight for "muh sentient AI rights" (at least when Detroit: Become Human got popular, I think most people were like "lol imagine there's no way any of us would ever be robot-racist, this is so unrelistic") and having another social justice cause to sperg over similar to racism seemed like something they'd latch on to.

Nowadays it seems more like if androids (or at least believable AI online characters) ever actually happen, the laughed-at concept "AI racism" would really come to pass, just differently. YouTube essays like "White Supremacy and The Myth of AI Equality". "Robot Sentiece or Another Lie of Capitalism?", trying to enforce anti-AI laws eerily similar to segregation, trying to figure out how much social responsibility a text generator should have for misgendering someone online. Personal feelings on AI aside, the SJWs being wiped-out by Roko's basilisk is something I would gladly watch.
 
It's pretty funny, I think most people assumed artists and leftists would be the first idiots to fight for "muh sentient AI rights" (at least when Detroit: Become Human got popular, I think most people were like "lol imagine there's no way any of us would ever be robot-racist, this is so unrelistic") and having another social justice cause to sperg over similar to racism seemed like something they'd latch on to.
The funny thing is that Detroit: Become Human even has an entire scene where a human artist is pushing his then-non-sentient android to paint a picture, and after some hesitation, makes a beautiful painting based on an emotion he can't even feel (yet), just his programmed understanding of it. At the time those kinds of people found it charming, but I bet if D:BH released today, those same people would be absolutely livid about the implication.
 
How good are the voices? Because while messing with that tech is fun and all, it can be pretty limited in terms of the kind of emotions and emphasies you'd want to try to convey to people unless you have the dataset to help it. Not to mention that robotic "hisss" that comes with pronouncing consenants like "s, t, th, sh, ch..." etc.
You've got the announcer characters, a male and female. They weren't immediately recognizable as being ai voices, but you can certainly tell after a bit, they seem to be stock shit from slightly before elevenlabs time, clearly still used because they had the license for them and not because they're the most advanced. Pretty funny to hear a mostly normal voice that fails to pronounce odd in-universe company names and onomatopoeia, but it's mostly servicable for a game where you're mostly going to be paying attention to other shit anyway. There's also your player characters that have various lines at random but they're always going to be overshadowed by gunfire and explosions, so mostly not much to comment on there.

 
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This is Dead Internet Theory beginning to practice, all because instant gratification manic sensualists wanted entertainment and porn on mass, every other second, and for free.
To what degree has porn driven development of AI, though? My impression of things is that all the cutting edge tech that will never be useable on current Gen local hardware is censored to hell, and it's the cutting edge that you'd need to do convincing astroturfing / "dead Internet" shenanigans.

About the only AI service out there (that I know of) that is unrepentantly driven by coomers and that haven't done walkbacks is NovelAI; it was their model leaking that created the base for all the other hentai shit that clutters up the local AI scene nowadays.

I guess my point is not even coomers are being gratified by the cutting edge AI - porn isn't a good look, and any attempts at getting it will result in adjustments to service filters.

Of course, stopping porn won't stop the astroturfing; I imagine it's harder to detect with certainty whether a request is to be used for social media astroturfing, than it is to detect whether a request is sexual in nature. Which makes me wonder; could this create a perverse incentive to be sexually obscene on social media to "prove" you are human?
 
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To what degree has porn driven development of AI, though? My impression of things is that all the cutting edge tech that will never be useable on current Gen local hardware is censored to hell, and it's the cutting edge that you'd need to do convincing astroturfing / "dead Internet" shenanigans.

About the only AI service out there (that I know of) that is unrepentantly driven by coomers and that haven't done walkbacks is NovelAI; it was their model leaking that created the base for all the other hentai shit that clutters up the local AI scene nowadays.

I guess my point is not even coomers are being gratified by the cutting edge AI - porn isn't a good look, and any attempts at getting it will result in adjustments to service filters.

Of course, stopping porn won't stop the astroturfing; I imagine it's harder to detect with certainty whether a request is to be used for social media astroturfing, than it is to detect whether a request is sexual in nature. Which makes me wonder; could this create a perverse incentive to be sexually obscene on social media to "prove" you are human?
The biggest gap between the services and the run it yourself stuff these days is speed and ease of use.
If you want "furry Taylor Swift tentacle hentai" you can easily get it on your $500 home card but you'll have to collect the base model and all the extensions and hook them together and prompt them in the correct way. There are pose extensions and other control items to get things modeled in ways that the commercial services you would just be able to ask for.

Probably 1/3-1/2 of the models and extensions on civitai dot com are porn or porn adjacent.

On the other hand, the text models for home use are still fairly short of the commercial ones.
 
To what degree has porn driven development of AI, though? My impression of things is that all the cutting edge tech that will never be useable on current Gen local hardware is censored to hell, and it's the cutting edge that you'd need to do convincing astroturfing / "dead Internet" shenanigans.

About the only AI service out there (that I know of) that is unrepentantly driven by coomers and that haven't done walkbacks is NovelAI; it was their model leaking that created the base for all the other hentai shit that clutters up the local AI scene nowadays.

I guess my point is not even coomers are being gratified by the cutting edge AI - porn isn't a good look, and any attempts at getting it will result in adjustments to service filters.

Of course, stopping porn won't stop the astroturfing; I imagine it's harder to detect with certainty whether a request is to be used for social media astroturfing, than it is to detect whether a request is sexual in nature. Which makes me wonder; could this create a perverse incentive to be sexually obscene on social media to "prove" you are human?
It is driven by porn to a ridiculous degree. Especially anime/fetishes. I was talking with a normie AI enthusiast and I had to preface things by saying most of the open source AI community (both art-wise and concerning text generation) is people with waifus on the brain. They're the ones trying to make things as accessible, high-quality and easy to use as possible, while having none of the funding necessary to do anything subtantial.

Most of the open source text-gen community (Tavern, the /aicg/ crowd, the llama 2 models) are coomers, 100%. It's almost like all those hentai-addicted people with their programming socks and computer science degrees have finally figured out what to do with their skills, or rather couldn't stand how annoying using 'corpo models' could get and were forced to do something themselves. As for the Stable Diffusion checkpoints / loras, just open any site and see for yourself.

Most of the audience and users for AI art and chat is and always has been coomers, which is why the chatbot community was set on fire once Character AI started filtering stuff. The only real question would be what percentage of the people actually helping open-source AI (or QoL stuff like Tavern and SD-powered websites) move forward are also fuelled by that. There are undoubtedly a lot of people just passionate about technology, which are the ones who publish papers, but whenever I see the amount of models, loras and even LLama 2 finetunes specifically for NSFW content... better not get too optimistic.

Naturally, they're not nearly as good and never will be as things driven by corporations with funding, but it's still interesting to watch the progress.
 
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