Funny how secular liberals have started to invoke Christian iconography, like comparing AI to the Anti-Christ or the Devil. When they were shouting "Trust The Science" is now demonizing the computer scientist who is researching the field and putting their trust in people who have no idea what they are talking to.
AI Art Seething General
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generally how did this happen? It's like we living in a different timeline.
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Same as anything. Twitter users unironically just take the first opinion they hear on a subject to heart and will die for it.
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The more I look into progressive talking points the more weirdly conservative they all sound. "TECHNLOGY LE BAD" "THE RACES CAN'T MIX" "BLACKS ARE SUPPOSE TO HAVE FAT LIPS AND WIDE NOSES" "SEX BAD" "WOMEN SHOULD COVER UP". If you told me this came from a conservative evangelical, i'd believe you lol. But no, it's coming from the mouth of a 20 something zoomer and we as a species are regressing.
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Eh, I wouldn’t see it as a regression and more like the pendulum sway from the STD, tramp-stamp riddled 2000s. People being reserved about tech, and even AI is not a bad opinion, but that’s all the base it got. As a personal opinion and not some inherent ethical principle of humanity to defend. If we really started sucking off tech progress we’d shift towards a bug-life robowife Japan , where one blink of Wifi will shut your whole life down. For god’s sake, nobody’s forcing these people to stop doing art or start using AI.
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It's almost like they're on the wrong side of history or something.
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It's still so bizarre to me that these seemingly atheistic artists now talk about "art must have a soul" with this and that.
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You could mock them with the same sort of line they use on theists. Lmao, soulfags BTFO.
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The reason leftist cry about AI it's because they know deep down they're not particularly good artists and their styles are very redundant please create AI technology that can replicate stone toss you can't because it is very unique style
also 95% of these people literally just draw furry porn
as someone who does do creative work I love AI technology it makes editing so much easier it's simply a tool
also 95% of these people literally just draw furry porn
as someone who does do creative work I love AI technology it makes editing so much easier it's simply a tool
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I agree "soul" is not a very useful word, in this context. I think most use it to refer to the interplay of decisions, that Sven Stoffels, describes in his definition of art:
*This is the same Sven, who made some of the Kiwi Farms homepage animations and he streams here.
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This is the guy who did the Hila Klein as IDF gunning down Palestinian kids.
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People are self-serving in general. Also, who is going to decide what AI art can and should replace? The art police? As much as that might pain artists, that decision is ultimately going to lie with the general populace. That said, it probably won't affect "real" artists much, as the actual artwork was always just part of a package and claiming your art is "human made" will just be another thing your average artist will be able to put in his social engineering toolbox. It's about selling yourself, about whom you know and whom you can connect to. I always thought famous artists (both while alive and when dead) are an "experience" that comes in a package. An AI will have a hard time replicating this. I do think short term, it might be the end of your average animation sweatshop worker, furry/anime porn drawer and logo designer though. The blue collar artist, if you will.
It's just how it always has been: Progress. Progress reshuffles the cards and some people are going to lose their sweet gigs. Not unnatural to dislike that, neither not understandable. Of course it sounds more romantic and is also more conductive to spinning a narrative in your favor by saying that AI art can never be good because it "lacks soul" instead of saying that you can't eat your art and really need the job.
The most interesting thing for me is though is how people that are now for the first time confronted with the fruits of machine learning and AI in such a direct way think this is all progress there will ever be. (I blame this on people having the attention span of fruit flies nowadays and losing track when something isn't in the headlines each and every week) Really just tip of the iceberg. A lot of the things you see now is based on research and papers that were published before some people posting in this thread were even born. Some things basically just became viable to actually attempt through progress in hardware and we have seen a lot of potential new avenues and also entire specialized hardware architecture proposals in the last 5-6 years. There is a ton of untried stuff in the pipeline and lots of directions to go and the progress is only going to accelerate. People who aren't as old as dirt and basically can croak any moment reading this will probably live long enough to interact with an AI that's not only gonna seem to be smarter than them, but also potentially more insightful, funnier and more creative. All still while being completely alien to how the human mind works, which will be the creepy part. Some said that AI will "eat" human culture, and I thought that was a very apt description of what will happen. If you think things are fractured now and people are way too far in their own bubbles, you've seen nothing yet.
It's just how it always has been: Progress. Progress reshuffles the cards and some people are going to lose their sweet gigs. Not unnatural to dislike that, neither not understandable. Of course it sounds more romantic and is also more conductive to spinning a narrative in your favor by saying that AI art can never be good because it "lacks soul" instead of saying that you can't eat your art and really need the job.
The most interesting thing for me is though is how people that are now for the first time confronted with the fruits of machine learning and AI in such a direct way think this is all progress there will ever be. (I blame this on people having the attention span of fruit flies nowadays and losing track when something isn't in the headlines each and every week) Really just tip of the iceberg. A lot of the things you see now is based on research and papers that were published before some people posting in this thread were even born. Some things basically just became viable to actually attempt through progress in hardware and we have seen a lot of potential new avenues and also entire specialized hardware architecture proposals in the last 5-6 years. There is a ton of untried stuff in the pipeline and lots of directions to go and the progress is only going to accelerate. People who aren't as old as dirt and basically can croak any moment reading this will probably live long enough to interact with an AI that's not only gonna seem to be smarter than them, but also potentially more insightful, funnier and more creative. All still while being completely alien to how the human mind works, which will be the creepy part. Some said that AI will "eat" human culture, and I thought that was a very apt description of what will happen. If you think things are fractured now and people are way too far in their own bubbles, you've seen nothing yet.
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With the amount of ai discourse over the internet, how do you tell apart people who know what they're talking about from people who don't
For me is when they liken ai image generation to a "collaging" process is when i know they don't know what they're talking about. That, and the lack of knowledge about inpainting and other such complex techniques you can do with ai image generation
Also for a comparison, how ai image generation actually works:
For me is when they liken ai image generation to a "collaging" process is when i know they don't know what they're talking about. That, and the lack of knowledge about inpainting and other such complex techniques you can do with ai image generation
Also for a comparison, how ai image generation actually works:
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I've seen arguments from the AI crowd that have made even the craziest gun control advocates seem reasonable. It's so weird how deranged it makes them.
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Also ignorance about LoRAs. Apparently these anti ai crowd people think ai models as just this one big unmutable chunk that can only work alone. They don't even know people can train smaller models that can work in tandem with the base model.
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(warning potential sperging)
BOI! i found this on my youtube reccomendation animating their "art" getting murdered like AI is some sort of ART MEATGRINDER .
I just noticed Internet artist mostly 2D artist has become more pathethic each month! and start animating or make comics saying they are a victim or whatever.
Example
ITS IS JUST A RIDICULOUSLY RETARDED AS ARTSTYLE THEFT DRAMA. BUT MAKING AI TOOLS THE FUCKING DRAGON!!! AND THE """"""""""""honest hardworking artist""""""""""" AS THE PawTy of AdVeNtuWerS wHo WilL sAVe tHe WowlD.
FUCK THESE IDIOTS HAVE THE HEAVIEST SAVIOUR COMPLEX!!!
bunch of hypocrites
BOI! i found this on my youtube reccomendation animating their "art" getting murdered like AI is some sort of ART MEATGRINDER .
I just noticed Internet artist mostly 2D artist has become more pathethic each month! and start animating or make comics saying they are a victim or whatever.
Example
ITS IS JUST A RIDICULOUSLY RETARDED AS ARTSTYLE THEFT DRAMA. BUT MAKING AI TOOLS THE FUCKING DRAGON!!! AND THE """"""""""""honest hardworking artist""""""""""" AS THE PawTy of AdVeNtuWerS wHo WilL sAVe tHe WowlD.
FUCK THESE IDIOTS HAVE THE HEAVIEST SAVIOUR COMPLEX!!!
And i BET! these anti-ai DUMBFUCKS Are the same people who bitch about content farms. WHEN THEIR FAVORITE TIDDY ARTIST BASICALLY DO THE SAME THING BUT WITH NO RESTRAINT!!!how most ’art’ you see on social media nowadays is really just visual McDonald’s takeout. It serves no meaning, it serves no purpose but to be a quick dopamine fix. One you look at and go ‘wowsers! My favourite anime tiddy mommy!’ and then scroll past onto the next. That’s why there’s a mentality among social media fags going ‘Don’t be sad your art may not be as good as someone else’s, ppl are just happy seeing more art’(it was a cake allegory, if someone knows), because it doesn’t matter either way. Both are just as meaningless. Deprived of any critical or deeper thought.
bunch of hypocrites
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This video nicely encapsulate one of the main fears artists have of AI: the idea that AI art "takes away" something from artists and their original work.
Which is, admittedly, slightly true. It can take away a portion of their audience and cut into their profits.
I genuinely had a hard time seeing how any of this was AI-generated.
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