Alec Baldwin's 'prop firearm' kills one, injures another

Sheriff's office: Alec Baldwin discharged prop gun that killed crew member, wounded director

Baldwin is one of the film's star actors and producers. He went to the sheriff's office willingly and provided a statement to investigators, sheriff's office spokesman Juan Ríos said.

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Actor Alec Baldwin discharged a "prop firearm" that killed a cinematographer and injured a the director of the movie Rust, being filmed on a set south of Santa Fe, a county sheriff's office spokesman said late Thursday.

Halyna Hutchins, 42 and the director of photography for the movie, died at University of New Mexico Hospital in Albuquerque. The film's director, Joel Souza, was hospitalized in Santa Fe, Santa Fe County Sheriff's Office spokesman Juan Ríos said.

A source closed to the investigation said Baldwin, 63, was questioned by investigators late Thursday and was seen by a New Mexican reporter and photographer in tears.

Investigators are still trying to determine if the incident was an accident, Ríos said. No charges have been filed, and the investigation remains open, Ríos wrote in a news release.

The prop was fired at Bonanza Creek Ranch, where filming was underway, the sheriff's office said in an early evening news release. Baldwin stars in the production.

Hutchins died from her injuries after she was flown to University of New Mexico Hospital, according to the sheriff's office. Souza was taken to Christus St. Vincent Regional Medical Center, where he is receiving emergency care, the sheriff's office said. Attempts to get comment from Baldwin were unsuccessful.

“We received the devastating news this evening, that one of our members, Halyna Hutchins, the Director of Photography on a production called ‘Rust’ in New Mexico died from injuries sustained on the set,” John Lindley, the president of the International Cinematographers Guild Local 600, and Rebecca Rhine, the executive director, said in a statement, as reported by Variety. “The details are unclear at this moment, but we are working to learn more, and we support a full investigation into this tragic event. This is a terrible loss, and we mourn the passing of a member of our Guild’s family.”

Deputies were investigating how the accident occurred and "what type of projectile was discharged," the sheriff's office said in an earlier news release.

Rust Movie Productions did not immediately respond to requests for comment.

Filming for Rust was set to continue into early November, according to a news release from the New Mexico Film Office. It's described as the story of a 13-year-old boy left to fend for himself and his younger brother following the death of their parents in 1880s Kansas, with New Mexico doubling for Kansas.

Guns firing blanks have been blamed for deaths in past movie productions. Online Hollywood news site Deadline reported, "Actor Jon-Erik Hexum was killed Oct. 18, 1984, on the set of the TV series Cover Up when he accidentally shot himself in the head with a gun loaded with blanks. And in 1993, Brandon Lee, the son of martial arts legend Bruce Lee, died after he was shot in the head by a gun firing blanks on the set of The Crow. Both incidents were determined to have been accidents."

This is a developing story and will be updated.

 

[Xarpho]

As it is Christmas and the time of miracles (at least for another five and a half hours), I would optimistically point out that Michael Avenatti's life was utterly ruined for less than flat out killing someone, and he was arguably higher profile than Baldwin in terms of people whom the left liked to suck the dick of. Baldwin fancied himself some court jester who was going to help take down the Evil Orange Dictator, but Avenatti saw himself as the one to do it. Remember, Avenatti was being feted as a possible 2020 Presidential candidate.

The point of this weird comparison is that if they took down Avenatti, then a schlub actor like Baldwin with a history of spouse (and, arguably, child) abuse might get his just desserts.

Taking recent indictments into account:

Avenatti weaseled his way into house arrest after just a few months. It cost him everything but he’s not actually behind bars.

Allison Mack went from facing around 15 years and talked down to 3, but she’s a white woman and squealed on someone else.

One of R. Kelly’s goons got 8 years for intimidation.

So taking all that into account:
- If he gets totally fucked and prosecutors seek the maximum for Hutchins’ death and Souza’s major bodily injury he’ll get about 20 years. That almost certainly won’t happen. If he’s lucky it will be one count of criminal negligence to carry 10 years.
- He can’t play the woman card.
- He can’t rat out anyone.
- He’s not involved in crimes of a sexual nature and is likely not be considered an ongoing threat.
- He has been cooperating with authorities.
- He’s not as wealthy as Avenatti was but will also spend resources fighting off civil lawsuits.

All in all, he’s not as screwed as he could be, but there’s not a lot helping his case right now.

 

[Gravityqueen4life]

this is another hard black pill to swallow. the pretty people of society can treat us as niggacattle and not get justice served. we the people, have no real power anymore.

 

[MadStan]

How is Baldwin getting investigated and warrants served against him? I remember a heart-attack prone, heavy-set, happy merchant telling us that Baldwin wasn't at fault and nobody will investigate him.

Oh he will be investigated alright. But he will not be found guilty of manslaughter. He was under investigation from Day 1 as the news made clearly obvious, did interviews with the police and was cooperating - I like how to win an argument you skew what I said to include "will never be investigated" which is exactly the opposite of what I said - which is he will be investigated and excluded from Manslaughter.

He has always been under investigation. My offer still stands that if he is found guilty, I am closing my KF account.

Not a chance he's going to jail.

Not that you are willing to put your money where you mouth is, cause you are chicken shit and can't pick a court winner or loser to save your life.

 

[Lone Star]

this is another hard black pill to swallow. the pretty people of society can treat us as niggacattle and not get justice served. we the people, have no real power anymore.

I mean, we do, it just involves extremely drastic measures that most people are unwilling to do. A lot of these problems could be solved, separately, in a week.

 

[Billy Beer]

Oh he will be investigated alright. But he will not be found guilty of manslaughter. He was under investigation from Day 1 as the news made clearly obvious, did interviews with the police and was cooperating - I like how to win an argument you skew what I said to include "will never be investigated" which is exactly the opposite of what I said - which is he will be investigated and excluded from Manslaughter.

I didn't pay that much attention at the time, and even less 2 months later.

Not that you are willing to put your money where you mouth is, cause you are chicken shit and can't pick a court winner or loser to save your life.

Sure I can pick winners and losers. I'm a winner and you're a loser. See? simples.

 

[Xarpho]

Oh he will be investigated alright. But he will not be found guilty of manslaughter. He was under investigation from Day 1 as the news made clearly obvious, did interviews with the police and was cooperating - I like how to win an argument you skew what I said to include "will never be investigated" which is exactly the opposite of what I said - which is he will be investigated and excluded from Manslaughter.

He has always been under investigation. My offer still stands that if he is found guilty, I am closing my KF account.

Not a chance he's going to jail.

Not that you are willing to put your money where you mouth is, cause you are chicken shit and can't pick a court winner or loser to save your life.

Investigators talking to him doesn't mean he was not actually investigated from day one. They probably talked to every single person there, doesn't mean they were investigated also.

If you actually look at the news of what was available to the media going back to the early pages, there was no indication that the whole thing was an absolute shitshow with cut corners, that a gunshot wasn't actually needed for that point in the script, et cetera, et cetera. For all we really knew on the first page he was 100% innocent and it was someone else's fault that he had no control over.

In fact, from the first page article, it wasn't even known that the gun had live rounds in it.

I'm going to guess that you're going to try to slither around whatever you're saying that if he's not guilty of manslaughter but is guilty of criminal negligence, you're going to point to your old posts and say differently.

 

[JustSomeDong]

I mean, we do, it just involves extremely drastic measures that most people are unwilling to do. A lot of these problems could be solved, separately, in a week.

People forgot the government works for us. They are our employees. They work for all of our collective good. At least that's the theory. Well, it's about time for 98% of government to step into our office, because they should be fucking fired. Out of a cannon. Into a brick wall. In minecraft, I guess.

 

[Uranus Pink]

Unfortunately from the very beginning of the U.S. Republic, people who just wanted to grill neglected their civil responsibility and let the [city, county, state and federal] governments do whatever TF it wanted. Especially letting them install a new nepotistic aristocracy to rule over them

 

[Josterman]

Should Alec Baldwin get his own thread

 

[Pocket Dragoon]

Things that make me go, hmm.....

Baldwin Still Hasn't Handed Over Phone

New Mexico authorities on Thursday said they were working with police in New York state to obtain Alec Baldwin's cellphone after the actor failed to give up to despite a search warrant to seize it. The Santa Fe Sheriff's Office and New Mexico First Judicial District Attorney's Office are 'actively working' with the Suffolk County Sheriff's Department, New York, and Baldwin's lawyers to get any materials on the phone pertaining to their investigation, according to a press release.

 

[elite_club]

 

[Dan Abrams]

Things that make me go, hmm.....

Baldwin Still Hasn't Handed Over Phone

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At what point do they just arrest this faggot for not cooperating? It's been like 3 weeks.

 

[Particle Bored]

Need to subpoena his cell service & email providers if they havent already.

 

[Product Placement]

Rust: Armourer on Alec Baldwin film sues prop supplier over ammunition supply​

The armourer in charge of weapons used during the filming of Rust has sued the prop supplier, alleging his company distributed "a mix of dummy and live ammunition" on set.
Cinematographer Halyna Hutchins was fatally shot last year when Alec Baldwin fired a gun during a rehearsal, after being told the firearm was safe.
Armourer Hannah Gutierrez-Reed is seeking unspecified damages from Seth Kenney and PDQ Arm and Prop LLC.
Kenney has not yet commented.
But in December, he told Good Morning America: "It's not possible that they [the live rounds] came from PDQ or myself personally."
Actor and producer Baldwin has insisted he "didn't pull the trigger" and told ABC News in December: "I would never point a gun at anyone and pull the trigger at them, never."

Alec Baldwin says he did not fire the gun that killed Halyna Hutchins
Gutierrez-Reed has filed her legal claim for an unspecified amount in New Mexico state court, the same state where the filming and fatal shooting in October took place. The film's director, Joel Souza, was also injured by the shooting.
Court documents state Ms Gutierrez-Reed said police had discovered seven bullets suspected of being live after the shooting, according to AFP.
It added that they were distributed among a box of cartridges with other ammunition and cartridge belts intended for the actors to use as accessories.


Kenney and his company "created a dangerous condition on the movie set, unbeknownst to Hannah Gutierrez Reed", according to the armourer and her lawyer.
Her claim states: "The ammunition was misrepresented as only dummy ammunition when it contained both dummy and live ammunition.
"Defendants distributed boxes of ammunition purporting to contain dummy rounds but which contained a mix of dummy and live ammunition to the Rust production."
Police investigating the shooting have been attempting to get hold of Baldwin's phone, but despite getting a search warrant several weeks ago, they have been unable to obtain it.


Halyna Hutchins was described by colleagues as "an incredible artist"
The actor has hit back at suggestions that he is not complying, saying specifying exactly what is needed from the phone takes time.
Gutierrez-Reed's claim states she remembers loading the gun with rounds labelled as dummy ammunition, and that she shook the box to create the jingling sound that the inert rounds should make.
"To the best of Hannah's knowledge, the gun was now loaded with six dummy rounds," the documents said.
She said that Covid protocols kept her from entering the church where filming was taking place, so she had to give up control of the gun 15 minutes before the shooting.
It was not captured on film as Baldwin was practising camera angles for a scene which would be filmed later.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-59978682

 

[Iron Hamster]

 

[ColtWalker1847]

Gutierrez-Reed's claim states she remembers loading the gun with rounds labelled as dummy ammunition, and that she shook the box to create the jingling sound that the inert rounds should make.

What an incompetent twat. Dummy rounds are always made visually distinct from live rounds. Missing primers. Holes in the case. Painted fruity colors. Something.

 

[Pocket Dragoon]

Gutierrez-Reed's claim states she remembers loading the gun with rounds labelled as dummy ammunition, and that she shook the box to create the jingling sound that the inert rounds should make.
"To the best of Hannah's knowledge, the gun was now loaded with six dummy rounds," the documents said.

The stupidity contained in that statement should be criminal; that she'd think just shaking the whole box was good enough, is exactly how she ended up costing Hutchins her life.

But her lawyer is nearly as incompetent, outlining & admitting to her gross negligence at least twice, in the same statement. Someone needs to check his shyster credentials with the tribe.

 

[Club Sandwich]

wait, why would any of it jingle at all? it's an SAA clone if i remember the initial report, you would figure they would use a 5-in-1 blank, which uses about 1.5-3gr of black powder or sometimes pyro powder like multidex or pyrodex, and a wadding of tissue paper in a cartridge that has a specific case design for use in revolvers from different bore sizes and types. it has no projectile to fire and produces a fairly good effect (Little Big Man, 1970 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7K4l5ZZe4-k for example). it was easily adapted for rifles, rifle carbines, and revolvers. it didn't work in automatics though, so other methods are used.

an SAA clone in .38 colt or .45 long colt would easily use a 5-in-1 without trouble or modification for great realistic effect and be entirely harmless (it produces a loud noise and no recoil, so the actor would have to fake it a bit).

also it would be highly suspicious if the prop company doesn't take before and after photos of leased equipment for insurance purposes as well as photos of the theatrical blanks for training the set armorer on their particular sold ammunition. the "jingling" generally comes from expedient blanks made for automatics for post process effects - one or two ball bearings (or plastic pellets) a dummy primer of lead or aluminum, and a crimp instead of a bullet, or an actual bullet with a ring of colored lacquer. the case will also have two holes drilled through it. these blanks are almost always 9mm and aren't commonly used for revolvers but i've seen them used in place of 5-in-1 for cost reasons. firing blanks are usually modified firearms rather than special blank ammunition.

 

[ForTheHoard]

wait, why would any of it jingle at all? it's an SAA clone if i remember the initial report, you would figure they would use a 5-in-1 blank, which uses about 1.5-3gr of black powder or sometimes pyro powder like multidex or pyrodex, and a wadding of tissue paper in a cartridge that has a specific case design for use in revolvers from different bore sizes and types. it has no projectile to fire and produces a fairly good effect (Little Big Man, 1970 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7K4l5ZZe4-k for example). it was easily adapted for rifles, rifle carbines, and revolvers. it didn't work in automatics though, so other methods are used.

an SAA clone in .38 colt or .45 long colt would easily use a 5-in-1 without trouble or modification for great realistic effect and be entirely harmless (it produces a loud noise and no recoil, so the actor would have to fake it a bit).

also it would be highly suspicious if the prop company doesn't take before and after photos of leased equipment for insurance purposes as well as photos of the theatrical blanks for training the set armorer on their particular sold ammunition. the "jingling" generally comes from expedient blanks made for automatics for post process effects - one or two ball bearings (or plastic pellets) a dummy primer of lead or aluminum, and a crimp instead of a bullet, or an actual bullet with a ring of colored lacquer. the case will also have two holes drilled through it. these blanks are almost always 9mm and aren't commonly used for revolvers but i've seen them used in place of 5-in-1 for cost reasons. firing blanks are usually modified firearms rather than special blank ammunition.

I have some .357 dummy rounds for practicing reloads on a SAA. It's a nickel coated brass case with a real bullet pressed and crimped, but instead of powder and primer, the case is full of neon colored silicone that protrudes through the primer pocket. It's safe for the firing pin due to the cushioning effect of the silicone, but would still look like a real live round through the front of the cylinder. You also have a bright neon visual aid to quickly determine that the round in inert.

 

[ColtWalker1847]

But her lawyer is nearly as incompetent, outlining & admitting to her gross negligence at least twice, in the same statement. Someone needs to check his shyster credentials with the tribe.

"Your honor and members of the jury, how was my client supposed to know that a cartridge that looked exactly like a live round was actually live. She shook the box while wearing a nametag that said 'armorer' on it. Clearly it was the box's fault."

What a shitshow this all is.