Alec Baldwin's 'prop firearm' kills one, injures another

Sheriff's office: Alec Baldwin discharged prop gun that killed crew member, wounded director

Baldwin is one of the film's star actors and producers. He went to the sheriff's office willingly and provided a statement to investigators, sheriff's office spokesman Juan Ríos said.

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Actor Alec Baldwin discharged a "prop firearm" that killed a cinematographer and injured a the director of the movie Rust, being filmed on a set south of Santa Fe, a county sheriff's office spokesman said late Thursday.

Halyna Hutchins, 42 and the director of photography for the movie, died at University of New Mexico Hospital in Albuquerque. The film's director, Joel Souza, was hospitalized in Santa Fe, Santa Fe County Sheriff's Office spokesman Juan Ríos said.

A source closed to the investigation said Baldwin, 63, was questioned by investigators late Thursday and was seen by a New Mexican reporter and photographer in tears.

Investigators are still trying to determine if the incident was an accident, Ríos said. No charges have been filed, and the investigation remains open, Ríos wrote in a news release.

The prop was fired at Bonanza Creek Ranch, where filming was underway, the sheriff's office said in an early evening news release. Baldwin stars in the production.

Hutchins died from her injuries after she was flown to University of New Mexico Hospital, according to the sheriff's office. Souza was taken to Christus St. Vincent Regional Medical Center, where he is receiving emergency care, the sheriff's office said. Attempts to get comment from Baldwin were unsuccessful.

“We received the devastating news this evening, that one of our members, Halyna Hutchins, the Director of Photography on a production called ‘Rust’ in New Mexico died from injuries sustained on the set,” John Lindley, the president of the International Cinematographers Guild Local 600, and Rebecca Rhine, the executive director, said in a statement, as reported by Variety. “The details are unclear at this moment, but we are working to learn more, and we support a full investigation into this tragic event. This is a terrible loss, and we mourn the passing of a member of our Guild’s family.”

Deputies were investigating how the accident occurred and "what type of projectile was discharged," the sheriff's office said in an earlier news release.

Rust Movie Productions did not immediately respond to requests for comment.

Filming for Rust was set to continue into early November, according to a news release from the New Mexico Film Office. It's described as the story of a 13-year-old boy left to fend for himself and his younger brother following the death of their parents in 1880s Kansas, with New Mexico doubling for Kansas.

Guns firing blanks have been blamed for deaths in past movie productions. Online Hollywood news site Deadline reported, "Actor Jon-Erik Hexum was killed Oct. 18, 1984, on the set of the TV series Cover Up when he accidentally shot himself in the head with a gun loaded with blanks. And in 1993, Brandon Lee, the son of martial arts legend Bruce Lee, died after he was shot in the head by a gun firing blanks on the set of The Crow. Both incidents were determined to have been accidents."

This is a developing story and will be updated.

 

[DMX DA GOAT]

Idk the answer but why would it matter?

They need anything to deflect from daddy Baldwin

 

[RodgerDodger]

Yasssss kween drain the world of men by killing them.

So many bad life decisions in one small collage. Including a 12 pack a day Krispy Kreme habit.

 

[Getting tard comed]

Asking questions is not defending him, it's wanting to get a fuller picture

Some people are defending him, even if you aren't. But more importantly whether or not he is the lead producer on this by title he had more than enough power and influence to do something to prevent this. I have an incredibly difficult time believing a co-writer, a producer, a lead/main character actor, or a financier could be ignorant of a walk out by union people due to work conditions and safety issues or a gun discharging three times.

It makes it much harder when all of those roles are filled by the same person and that person is there on location.

 

[MadStan]

Yeah. Regardless of whether or not he is found criminally negligent, he is 100% morally responsible for the DP’s death.

- He absolutely knew about the safety issues. In order to be ignorant of them, we would have to believe that he was not aware of the previous firearms incidents on set, and was not aware of the reason that the crew walked, despite being the lead actor and producer.
- He may have had a hand in actively ignoring the safety issues by choosing to bring in a new crew, instead of addressing the safety issues that caused the old crew to walk.
- If he was not directly responsible for the former, but was also aware of the safety issues that resulted in 2-3 accidental firearms discharges earlier in the shoot, he absolutely should’ve walked off with the rest of the crew and refused to continue filming. The fuck are they gonna do, fire him from his own movie?

Again, this wasn’t a freak accident. It was the inevitable result of terrible safety on set that he knew about, at best passively encouraged by not using his power/pull to demand better safety standards, and at worst actively contributed to by hiring inexperienced non-union replacements instead of addressing said safety concerns. The fact that he personally pulled the trigger adds to the irony and the hilarity factor, but if you knowingly let unsafe behavior continue under your watch despite having the power and authority to put an end to it, then when somebody inevitably gets hurt, it absolutely IS your fault.

So yeah, is he criminally negligent? I’m not his lawyer and I’m not his judge, I couldn’t tell you. Personally I don’t think he’ll go to jail and that the armorer will be the fall guy for this mess, because ensuring this shit doesn’t happen is literally her job. But this event should absolutely weigh on him for the rest of his life, knowing that he had the power to address serious safety issues but chose to do nothing, or worse, actively shit the bed by hiring inexperienced workers as replacements.

Again,

Baldwin is not at fault.

It really just doesn't matter what safety issues were on the set - there are extant safety issues in any factory you visit. A problem with the safety off the table saw has no bearing on what happens on the vacuum press machine.

Every set has a zero chance of passing all safety requirements.

The Armourer is the fall bitch because she is rightly the fall bitch. The buck doesn't stop with the Director, EP or financiers of a film - each person has their task and none is more important than the Armourer as clear as day in this example.

Might as well blame the "Go-For" on the set. The point legally is it could have been anyone holding that gun and caused a death so the liability lays with who set the gun to kill. The Armourer.

Why there is this fascination with Baldwin and not the fucking bitch that actually caused the incident and should be shot is the real question for this thread. It could have been Vanilla Ice holding the gun, it legally doesn't fucking matter. And again, regardless of the safety issues on the set, none of that has any bearing whatsoever on what the Armourer did.

 

[X Prime]

Relax, Baldwin is not standing behind you with a heart attack gun.

 

[DMX DA GOAT]

It really just doesn't matter what safety issues were on the set - there are extant safety issues in any factory you visit

You have clearly never worked a real job in your life if you're going to compare this to factory accidents and still claim Baldwin has 0 fault

 

[Product Placement]

Some people are defending him, even if you aren't. But more importantly whether or not he is the lead producer on this by title he had more than enough power and influence to do something to prevent this. I have an incredibly difficult time believing a co-writer, a producer, a lead/main character actor, or a financier could be ignorant of a walk out by union people due to work conditions and safety issues or a gun discharging three times.

It makes it much harder when all of those roles are filled by the same person and that person is there on location.

I agree, if he was not aware of all of these issues something weird is going on. I mean you can't say Baldwin isn't at any fault just a question of how much fault at this point.

But did read the film had a weird shooting schedule to allow for the making of his podcasts which makes it seem like his attention was in multiple places.

Another thing is it's not just Baldwin you need to ask these questions about but the director and others as well.

 

[MadStan]

I agree, if he was not aware of all of these issues something weird is going on. I mean you can't say Baldwin isn't at any fault just a question of how much fault at this point.

But did read the film had a weird shooting schedule to allow for the making of his podcasts which makes it seem like his attention was in multiple places.

In some states if you rear end a person you are automatically at fault regardless of what the Driver in front of you did - even if they did something to create the accident. So the law is the law is the law. As an example did Floyd do anything at all to provide Derek? Probably, but does this translate into partial legal responsibility? No it did not.

The point is this incident has to follow the legal standard for negligence and while he may have some technical responsibility as much as many others on the set would; does this translate into a legal negligence or responsibility?

I do not think it does based on other cases and I think we will find that this plays out as such.

But let's focus on the bitch that was probably high and judging from her experience and her photos show a ridiculous and blatant disregard for the nature of her work. There have been Armourers on the sets in Italy with Clint's westerns that had live rounds laying all around and lots and lots of loose scenes and nothing happened - because the Armourer took their job fucking seriously. Ironically, it was this bitches father that did many of Clints films.

 

[Gar For Archer]

Again,

Baldwin is not at fault.

It really just doesn't matter what safety issues were on the set - there are extant safety issues in any factory you visit. A problem with the safety off the table saw has no bearing on what happens on the vacuum press machine.

Every set has a zero chance of passing all safety requirements.

The Armourer is the fall bitch because she is rightly the fall bitch. The buck doesn't stop with the Director, EP or financiers of a film - each person has their task and none is more important than the Armourer as clear as day in this example.

Might as well blame the "Go-For" on the set. The point legally is it could have been anyone holding that gun and caused a death so the liability lays with who set the gun to kill. The Armourer.

Why there is this fascination with Baldwin and not the fucking bitch that actually caused the incident and should be shot is the real question for this thread. It could have been Vanilla Ice holding the gun, it legally doesn't fucking matter. And again, regardless of the safety issues on the set, none of that has any bearing whatsoever on what the Armourer did.

If you were a factory boss, and you were aware of glaring safety violations like workers ignoring lock out/tag out procedure on dangerous machinery (which this is comparable to), and were aware of multiple near-misses where disaster was avoided mostly due to sheer luck, and then someone gets turned into ground beef because someone else turned on the machine while they were crawling around inside because they forgot to lock and tag the machine before starting maintenance, you are responsible for their death.

And I already stated in my original post that I don’t know what legal responsibility Baldwin has in this case. My entire point is that even if he is at no fault legally, it’s still his fault that the DP died.

 

[MadStan]

If you were a factory boss, and you were aware of glaring safety violations like workers ignoring lock out/tag out procedure on dangerous machinery (which this is comparable to), and were aware of multiple near-misses where disaster was avoided mostly due to sheer luck, and then someone gets turned into ground beef because someone else turned on the machine while they were crawling around inside because they forgot to lock and tag the machine before starting maintenance, you are responsible for their death.

Yes - but only if you were aware of an issue with THAT machine.

If procedures were followed on a machine and it malfunctions, if you have an expert that is in charge of that machine and says it is safe, it falls on them; not the boss.

You can not cloud issues of something over "there" with something "over here". Negligence would be if they didn't have an Armourer or followed the procedures after the Armourer prepared the guns.

Accidents happen, but this is more than an accident.

 

[DMX DA GOAT]

Yes - but only if you were aware of an issue with THAT machine.

If procedures were followed on a machine and it malfunctions, if you have an expert that is in charge of that machine and says it is safe, it falls on them; not the boss.

You can not cloud issues of something over "there" with something "over here".

Nigga the gun had at least 2 other misfires/negligent discharges

The union crew walked off over safety concerns

 

[ChadBrazilian]

It really just doesn't matter what safety issues were on the set - there are extant safety issues in any factory you visit.

No, there isn't. No every factory in the world is a Chinese factory in a Liveleak video.

Every set has a zero chance of passing all safety requirements.

I never heard about a set where everybody quit because of safety issues. By your logic the 2 accidental discharges of weapons in set can not be blamed on Hannah because "this happens in every set".
Both Alec Bawdiwn and Hannah Gutierrez deserve prison time from the death.
All accidental shottings that happened on set are under the responsibility of Hannah as a armorer but it's also under Baldwin's responsibility as a producer. He should have said "Bro, there was already 2 accidental discharges on this set. It's time to stop this whole shit and discover what is happening or shut down completely".

Yes - but only if you were aware of an issue with THAT machine.

Are you going tell me he wasn't aware that a entire team quit over safety issues? Are you going to tell me that he didn't know about the two misfires?

 

[Nobunaga]

Nigga the gun had at least 2 other misfires/negligent discharges

Yeah but you know who else had 2 scoopfires?
Drumpft, so checkmate trumptards

 

[irishAzoth]

Yasssss kween drain the world of men by killing them.

is there any more
not too many archives since she(lol like she uses those pronouns) scrubbed herself of the web

 

[Product Placement]

In some states if you rear end a person you are automatically at fault regardless of what the Driver in front of you did - even if they did something to create the accident. So the law is the law is the law. As an example did Floyd do anything at all to provide Derek? Probably, but does this translate into partial legal responsibility? No it did not.

The point is this incident has to follow the legal standard for negligence and while he may have some technical responsibility as much as many others on the set would; does this translate into a legal negligence or responsibility?

I do not think it does based on other cases and I think we will find that this plays out as such.

But let's focus on the bitch that was probably high and judging from her experience and her photos show a ridiculous and blatant disregard for the nature of her work. There have been Armourers on the sets in Italy with Clint's westerns that had live rounds laying all around and lots and lots of loose scenes and nothing happened - because the Armourer took their job fucking seriously. Ironically, it was this bitches father that did many of Clints films.

I wasn't talking about legal responsibility however, going into that area I could see a lawsuit happen against the production company but won't see any criminal action be taken against anyone but Hannah Gutierrez-Reed.

I agree Hannah Gutierrez-Reed is legally at fault and morally most at fault, while others had the power to stop her and didn't use that power for some reason, at the end of the day she still did what she did and personally took no responsibility to improve after her fucks up on the last movie or the ones she had on this set before the death.

Also, Hannah Gutierrez-Reed has a lot of cow material which is always a bonus.

 

[millais]

So who hired the armorer? Seems like that person didn't review the qualifications and CV and should be in trouble.

If a warehouse manager hired an obviously and totally inexperienced forklift operator which resulted in a fatal workplace accident, employing the operator even after a preceding string of non-fatal accidents, that manager would probably be in trouble.

 

[MadStan]

No, there isn't. No every factory in the world is a Chinese factory in a Liveleak video.

I never heard about a set where everybody quit because of safety issues. By your logic the 2 accidental discharges of weapons in set can not be blamed on Hannah because "this happens in every set".
Both Alec Bawdiwn and Hannah Gutierrez deserve prison time from the death.
All accidental shottings that happened on set are under the responsibility of Hannah as a armorer but it's also under Baldwin's responsibility as a producer. He should have said "Bro, there was already 2 accidental discharges on this set. It's time to stop this whole shit and discover what is happening or shut down completely".

Are you going tell me he wasn't aware that a entire team quit over safety issues? Are you going to tell me that he didn't know about the two misfires?

You said:
"By your logic the 2 accidental discharges of weapons is set can not be blamed on Hannah because" this has nothing to do with this incident. And the Armourer is the armourer, she can not be held accountable for who fires a gun but what is in the gun, yes.

Even if he knew of the 2 misfires or safety issues his responsibility is to have an armourer on set that ensures it is seen to. That is what they did. Incidents happen. You have a person who has the sole responsibility of preventing this and you pay a lot for it - she failed.

I'm not holding the driver of my car accountable if a mechanic screws up the car and my wife dies driving it. I'm gonna go after the mechanic. Even if my wife said "the car feels kinda funny".

You've got to separate the legal negligence from all other factors.

Was Baldwin's negligence on the set as a producer responsible for this death? No. His negligence can not be shown to extend to this event. If he had fired the Armourer and they used the guns, sure thing. If they had not followed protocol and had the gun called "cold", sure.

But they did follow protocol. Negligence can not be proven. But we will see how this plays out in court - but I highly doubt the DA will file charges on the company or Baldwin over this, so I doubt it will ever play out in a court room.

If there is a case for the DA to go orator Baldwin, I am not seeing it with the data supplied so far. But we will wait and see.

 

[Absurdist Laughter]

Oh my god, so many semantic arguments. Bottom line is, civilly everyone is responsible and should be sued. Criminally, Alec Baldwin should be investigated, because yes he pulled the trigger. Any other view is grounds to be shoved back up your mother's cooter. Don't get excited now, unbirthing freaks.

 

[CAPTAIN HAPPY]

I suspect this was an elaborate suicide.

 

[Mike Stoklasa]

Where have I dick rode Trump

Hey back off. That Trump dick is mine.