Alec Baldwin's 'prop firearm' kills one, injures another

Sheriff's office: Alec Baldwin discharged prop gun that killed crew member, wounded director

Baldwin is one of the film's star actors and producers. He went to the sheriff's office willingly and provided a statement to investigators, sheriff's office spokesman Juan Ríos said.

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Actor Alec Baldwin discharged a "prop firearm" that killed a cinematographer and injured a the director of the movie Rust, being filmed on a set south of Santa Fe, a county sheriff's office spokesman said late Thursday.

Halyna Hutchins, 42 and the director of photography for the movie, died at University of New Mexico Hospital in Albuquerque. The film's director, Joel Souza, was hospitalized in Santa Fe, Santa Fe County Sheriff's Office spokesman Juan Ríos said.

A source closed to the investigation said Baldwin, 63, was questioned by investigators late Thursday and was seen by a New Mexican reporter and photographer in tears.

Investigators are still trying to determine if the incident was an accident, Ríos said. No charges have been filed, and the investigation remains open, Ríos wrote in a news release.

The prop was fired at Bonanza Creek Ranch, where filming was underway, the sheriff's office said in an early evening news release. Baldwin stars in the production.

Hutchins died from her injuries after she was flown to University of New Mexico Hospital, according to the sheriff's office. Souza was taken to Christus St. Vincent Regional Medical Center, where he is receiving emergency care, the sheriff's office said. Attempts to get comment from Baldwin were unsuccessful.

“We received the devastating news this evening, that one of our members, Halyna Hutchins, the Director of Photography on a production called ‘Rust’ in New Mexico died from injuries sustained on the set,” John Lindley, the president of the International Cinematographers Guild Local 600, and Rebecca Rhine, the executive director, said in a statement, as reported by Variety. “The details are unclear at this moment, but we are working to learn more, and we support a full investigation into this tragic event. This is a terrible loss, and we mourn the passing of a member of our Guild’s family.”

Deputies were investigating how the accident occurred and "what type of projectile was discharged," the sheriff's office said in an earlier news release.

Rust Movie Productions did not immediately respond to requests for comment.

Filming for Rust was set to continue into early November, according to a news release from the New Mexico Film Office. It's described as the story of a 13-year-old boy left to fend for himself and his younger brother following the death of their parents in 1880s Kansas, with New Mexico doubling for Kansas.

Guns firing blanks have been blamed for deaths in past movie productions. Online Hollywood news site Deadline reported, "Actor Jon-Erik Hexum was killed Oct. 18, 1984, on the set of the TV series Cover Up when he accidentally shot himself in the head with a gun loaded with blanks. And in 1993, Brandon Lee, the son of martial arts legend Bruce Lee, died after he was shot in the head by a gun firing blanks on the set of The Crow. Both incidents were determined to have been accidents."

This is a developing story and will be updated.

 

[Pee Cola]

Hannah was hired on two positions on this film, which made it extremely difficult to focus on her job as an armorer. She fought for training, days to maintain weapons, and proper time to prepare for gunfire but ultimately was overruled by production and her department. The whole production set became unsafe due to various factors, including lack of safety meetings. This was not the fault of Hannah.

I was too busy laughing about the "safety is my number one priority" line to notice this part of Hannah's statement.

I know even less about movie production than I do about guns, so it's probably normal for a member of the crew to have more than one position. But if what Hannah is saying is correct, she was basically a part-time armorer. Even if low budget productions have crew members working two or more positions, I would have thought they'd at least have a dedicated armorer due to the extremely high risk of having guns on set, along with the potential consequences of something going wrong (as we've seen play out during filming of "Rust").

Meanwhile if the conditions on set were that unsafe, why keep working there!? She must've been either desperate for something to bolster her resume/IMDB page, or the e-thotting shekels must be drying up.

We really need the Horrifying tag in the News forum. I mean What The Fuck!?!?!

As established earlier ITT, I know sfa about guns... but I know that you don't just throw them onto a trestle table willy-nilly. The pistols stuffed into that overnight bag are a nice touch.

Thanks to this thread, I feel overqualified to be an armorer on a Alec Baldwin film.

 

[JustSomeDong]

go after the people who support Roman Polanski or people like Bryan Singer who is still not behind bars.

There's gonna be a lot of crossover between who you're defending and what you are asking. Hell, many big celebs are quite open about their support of Polanski. But, yeah, the site is clickbait trash for qoomers.

 

[Un Platano]

Top Lawyer Confirms ‘Poltergeist’ Child Actor Killed by Hollywood Pedophile Ring – The Millennium Report

Did you even try to verify this source? That article cites this website, which in turn cites https://www.crazydaysandnights.net/, a gossip blog run by the unnamed 'lawyer' in the article. This is a worthless publication that the person running it isn't even willing to put their name on. It's clear that you're only questioning the veracity of claims that you disagree with, while lapping up anything that aligns with what you already believe, because the websites you're posting as evidence are about as trustworthy as the messages written on a bathroom stall.

Also what the fuck does this have to do with Alec Baldwin and this shooting at all?

He spends all day thinking about elite jewish globohomo pedophile conspiracies, so he thinks everyone else is too.

 

[Pocket Dragoon]

It was only a matter of time before the Q's showed up.

 

[Pee Cola]

It was only a matter of time before the Q's showed up.

They've been here for a while. Wasn't there a bunch of sperging about 20 pages ago, where a big deal was made of Halyna's background? Y'know, the stuff about being born in Ukraine, growing up on a Soviet navy base and being married to a lawyer who works for a firm that represents Hillary...

 

[Un Platano]

They've been here for a while. Wasn't there a bunch of sperging about 20 pages ago, where a big deal was made of Halyna's background? Y'know, the stuff about being born in Ukraine, growing up on a Soviet navy base and being married to a lawyer who works for a firm that represents Hillary...

Globohomo is basically intersectional feminism for schizophrenics, except instead of cishet white men it's jews. There's no way anything can be unrelated, and especially if it involves Hollywood.

 

[Michael Wade]

They've been here for a while. Wasn't there a bunch of sperging about 20 pages ago, where a big deal was made of Halyna's background? Y'know, the stuff about being born in Ukraine, growing up on a Soviet navy base and being married to a lawyer who works for a firm that represents Hillary...

At the time it seemed pretty dam suspect, but there is more and more a possibility that this production was simply shit outta luck.

 

[TowinKarz]

I never expected Baldwin would see jail time, I don't even expect him to get hurt financially.

Jail? Not a chance, but he's gonna be embroiled in civil suits for the rest of his life, he'll never see any real financial pain from it, but he's going to still have to cut a large couple of checks at some point..... and eat a few less steak dinners whatever fiscal year it is when the judgement finally comes down.

 

[make_it_so]

Correction; ammo concerns are incredibly hard to sue, they have many of the same protections (and lawyers) as firearms manufacturers. The only instance I know of it happening was with Freedom Munitions, which sold remanned ammo that regularly exploded more than a few rifles. The owners & customer service habits were very cowlike as well.

That's one of the reasons I avoid buying remanufactured ammo or people's bags full of hand loads.

Yep. The AD picked up thd gun from the pew where Baldwin had dropped it, took it outside the the Instathot and the 2 of them cracked it open and removed and inspected the ammo before police got there. Thus insuring that their fingerprints were on the ammo AFTER the shooting. It's beyond sketchy.

I still suspect that the gun originally had 5 live actual bullets. Not simply the single one. That just happened to be the next round when the trigger was pulled.

If they had been using the gun for plinking sessions right before and didn't even change out the ammo, you're looking at criminal negligence not just for the armorer, but for whoever was using the gun for shooting in between takes.

EDIT:

Pic of the guns from the set

Wow, I've seen sloppy mall ninjas at the range keep their shit in better order than this.

And the mall ninjas at least have the excuse that they keep all their stuff in one bay that no one else is supposed to go near.

Here we have an actual, supposedly professional production that's using some expensive and if misused deadly pieces of equipment, and it looks like there's no tagging system, no sign out sheet for whoever handled stuff last or might currently have it in use, and all the accessories/ammunition are just thrown up there haphazardly.

 

[ForTheHoard]

Also from that site 5g conspiracy bullshit. http://themillenniumreport.com/5g-roll-out/

Heather O'Rourke illness and death are well known and documented, no need to make pedogate bullshit up about it and blame that for her death. If you want to go after pedos in Hollywood go after the people who support Roman Polanski or people like Bryan Singer who is still not behind bars.

Also what the fuck does this have to do with Alec Baldwin and this shooting at all?

The example was brought up and someone asked, Nobody asked about 5g either.

 

[SITHRAK!]

Even if low budget productions have crew members working two or more positions, I would have thought they'd at least have a dedicated armorer due to the extremely high risk of having guns on set

All movies filmed in California that use firearms are required by state law to have a qualified, full-time dedicated armorer.
These are expensive though, and part of the reason that this was being filmed in NM instead of CA was to save money.
NM does not require a dedicated full-time armorer, so it was permissible to heap more work on an unqualified, inexperienced, untrained scab hire that lied about her training to get the job.

Correction; ammo concerns are incredibly hard to sue, they have many of the same protections (and lawyers) as firearms manufacturers.

Normal ammo manufacturers, yes, because there is assumed danger and personal liability when using their products.
Blanks are supposed to be safe when used within guidelines, so a catastrophic failure of materials resulting in injury may have less protection under the law.

I'm wondering if they were doing the same thing that happened on the set of The Crow where according to wikipedia: "Instead of purchasing commercial dummy cartridges, the film's prop crew, hampered by time constraints, created their own by pulling the bullets from live rounds, dumping the powder charge, then reinserting the bullets. However, they unknowingly left the live primer in place at the rear of the cartridge.".

Interestingly, many forms of low-calibre subsonic rounds (.177, .22, .22lr) only use a primer and no actual propellant. It's why dummy rounds have the primer pulled as well as the cases drilled or slotted.

TBF, those would all be pretty stupid things to say as someone potentially facing criminal or civil charges.

Well, we are living in a post-truth world. You're right, but a man can dream of a Hollywood shitheel admitting he fucked up.
The greatest irony for me is that if it was some MAGA nobody in the asshole of nowhere who 'accidentally' shot two people, and it made national news, Baldwin would be champing at the bit to demand they take responsibility.


As an aside I saw an aerial photo of the set and recognized some of the buildings from Seth McFarlane's 'A million ways to die in the west', did some research, and sure enough, it was the set they filmed it on. So I guess now there's a million ways and one.

 

[kidatari]

few days ago Adam Carolla had on Nate Adams
Nate Adams has been on film sets using guns and gives details on how guns are handled on set
Its a insightful clip

 

[Moist Nugget]

Pic of the guns from the set

They should be in a locked safe.

 

[Jet Fuel Johnny]

Pic of the guns from the set
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Holy shit. Just....

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

 

[76LD910]

Except those same empty bandoliers/belts are shown on the table, with that sad sack & Gutierrez shooting live ammo.
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Aside from the potentially damning evidence this picture might show with regards to apparently live ammo being placed right next to what might be an ammo holster used on set, the fact that she doesn't seem to be correcting that girls shit posture just reaffirms that she doesn't know what the fuck she's doing.

 

[MadStan]

My dude, Hillary Clinton is not in jail, Hunter Biden has not been charged for any of the multitude of crimes he’s committed, and as we saw in Portland, complicit DA’s can elect not to pursue charges even when people are flagrantly breaking the law.

It’s why you’re so confident that Baldwin won’t be charged- because you know even now the local DA is fielding calls from groups insinuating that Hollywood dollars and jobs are going to stop coming in to New Mexico if Baldwin is charged.

Those same people are also contacting the New Mexico film office, New Mexico tourism, the NM governor and more. If he is charged no doubt we will start to see articles in the media slandering NM as a racist state stolen from poor oppressed natives and encouraging grassroots support for the state to pay reparations to its native inhabitants. This is all standard operating procedure, frankly.

Clinton isn't in jail because there is no proof of any crime committed. How many committees can the GOP hold on the subject and in every one; they do NOT recommend charges? The GOP held the reins of power for 4 years - every single branch of government and never once charged her. So let it go. You got jack shit.

Why you raise Clinton in this thread is just strange; but it does show a pattern.

There has only been one type of court that would be seen to sway with the wind and that are the Supreme Courts which almost invariably go the way of the prevailing winds and to call the SC neutral would be a stretch. All others do tend to go the way of actual law with obviously some exceptions such as when certain District Attorneys opt to not press charges when other DAs would press charges.

The only reason I am confident Baldwin walks away from an individual charge of homicide negligent or otherwise is because what he did does not meet the legal threshold in any state for a charge to be bought against him personally.

I am unaware of any state in which he could be up for charges for what he did with that gun under the circumstances reported. There was no criminal negligence on his part.

One has got to understand that being mildly negligent does not meet the threshold for criminal negligence for very good reason. Criminal Negligence contains 2 words, but in legal terminology these 2 words together represent a concept in law and are not literal. I.E. if someone is negligent that doesn't mean it is criminal if an infraction occurs;, and thus if someone is criminal it does not mean they were negligent even if they were irresponsible.

Criminal Negligence essentially is where a person knowingly disregards safety or obvious steps or protocol and to an extent a malice for the rules or safety of others must be present. This is not an absolute and for good reason. If your brakes/tires are at 50% could it be deduced your stopping speed is greater than if the tires/brakes were at 100%? Yes. So if you brake an hit a pedestrian are you therefore guilty because if your brakes/tires were at 100% you would have stopped 2 feet shorter? No. There is a reasonable rationale that comes with the charge. But in the example I just given, clearly a person should know that their braking distance was effected by worn tires and brakes that were still legal to use.

An example is where a cop is in a high speed pursuit and an accident happens. Yes we can say the criminal needed to be caught, but on the other hand anyone would know that doing 80 MPH in a 30 zone could easily result in an accident. So do we call every cop that goes over the speed limit in the line of duty as being negligent and liable for anything that happens as a result? No we do not. But sometimes, we would find a cop guilty of such if the circumstances show it was clear and evident something was going to happen, they should have known it would happen and yet acted in a reckless manner to these circumstances.

It does boil down to circumstances of each situation. I do understand the concept that Baldwin could have checked the gun. Of course he could have. If Baldwin had been the Armourer or Assistant Director I would concur he should be charged because those 2 roles were charged with a responsibility. However, even this is not clear cut because how those rounds ended up in the gun will be the focus of the investigation and that is what will establish a criminal negligence - so at this time I still could not even charge the Armourer, yet, but probably would, but must hold off on an absolute statement until we know how the rounds got there in the first place.

A blunt sword on a set can still kill if thrust into a person; and there is no such thing as absolute safety with anything.

I consider Donald Trump responsible for the existence of the Jan 6th Riot that resulted in several deaths. But would I find Donald Trump guilty in a court of law for what happened to those people on the Hill? I could not. I could consider a charge of inciting violence, but to find Trump guilty of the actual violence, battery and death that occurred would be a bridge too far - no matter how much I dislike the man.

Baldwin will be hit financially for this though as the film company will come under fire as the employees - Armourer and Assistant Director and the Actor that pulled the trigger were all employees of the company and the company failed in it's duty to provide a safe set. So the company will incur some loss I am pretty confident. But Baldwin will not get a direct charge.

Shit, if we used your definition of criminal negligence then we can say goodbye to boxing, Wrestling and Mixed fighting and football. Shit happens, but some shit smells more than others.

 

[SITHRAK!]

LOL calm down, sperg.

 

[Al from Dadeville]

Off-topic but I caught an Alec Baldwin assault joke on an episode of MXC from 17 or 18 years ago:

Spoiler

 

[Not Really Here]

@Menotaur Your Tedx talk was so shitty I can't even reply to it.
Next time I demand some water carafes set up around the room before you lock the doors, I almost died of dehydration.

 

[Pocket Dragoon]

Veteran First Assistant Director David Halls has retained Albuquerque attorney and former Assistant D.A. Lisa Torraco. Hannah Gutierrez is now being represented by ex-Assistant U.S. Attorney Jason Bowles

The assistant director has lawyered up; she has a wiki page, and is even a Republican former state senator.

We could be seeing formal charges soon, optimistically.

Edit: Torraco is interesting; while Bowels is a literal ambulance chasing goy. This could be fun to watch.

Edit Edit:
This may be the dumb cunt responsible for bringing on Gutierrez.

The producers of "Rust"

According to the “Rust” call sheet, Gabrielle Pickle was directly managing the set on the day that Mr. Baldwin fired the gun. Ms. Pickle is a line producer, which is a subordinate role but an important one. Line producers are usually involved in hiring and vetting key members of the crew. Ms. Pickle works for a Georgia production services company called 3rd Shift Media. The company could not be reached for comment.