Alec Baldwin's 'prop firearm' kills one, injures another

Sheriff's office: Alec Baldwin discharged prop gun that killed crew member, wounded director

Baldwin is one of the film's star actors and producers. He went to the sheriff's office willingly and provided a statement to investigators, sheriff's office spokesman Juan Ríos said.

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Actor Alec Baldwin discharged a "prop firearm" that killed a cinematographer and injured a the director of the movie Rust, being filmed on a set south of Santa Fe, a county sheriff's office spokesman said late Thursday.

Halyna Hutchins, 42 and the director of photography for the movie, died at University of New Mexico Hospital in Albuquerque. The film's director, Joel Souza, was hospitalized in Santa Fe, Santa Fe County Sheriff's Office spokesman Juan Ríos said.

A source closed to the investigation said Baldwin, 63, was questioned by investigators late Thursday and was seen by a New Mexican reporter and photographer in tears.

Investigators are still trying to determine if the incident was an accident, Ríos said. No charges have been filed, and the investigation remains open, Ríos wrote in a news release.

The prop was fired at Bonanza Creek Ranch, where filming was underway, the sheriff's office said in an early evening news release. Baldwin stars in the production.

Hutchins died from her injuries after she was flown to University of New Mexico Hospital, according to the sheriff's office. Souza was taken to Christus St. Vincent Regional Medical Center, where he is receiving emergency care, the sheriff's office said. Attempts to get comment from Baldwin were unsuccessful.

“We received the devastating news this evening, that one of our members, Halyna Hutchins, the Director of Photography on a production called ‘Rust’ in New Mexico died from injuries sustained on the set,” John Lindley, the president of the International Cinematographers Guild Local 600, and Rebecca Rhine, the executive director, said in a statement, as reported by Variety. “The details are unclear at this moment, but we are working to learn more, and we support a full investigation into this tragic event. This is a terrible loss, and we mourn the passing of a member of our Guild’s family.”

Deputies were investigating how the accident occurred and "what type of projectile was discharged," the sheriff's office said in an earlier news release.

Rust Movie Productions did not immediately respond to requests for comment.

Filming for Rust was set to continue into early November, according to a news release from the New Mexico Film Office. It's described as the story of a 13-year-old boy left to fend for himself and his younger brother following the death of their parents in 1880s Kansas, with New Mexico doubling for Kansas.

Guns firing blanks have been blamed for deaths in past movie productions. Online Hollywood news site Deadline reported, "Actor Jon-Erik Hexum was killed Oct. 18, 1984, on the set of the TV series Cover Up when he accidentally shot himself in the head with a gun loaded with blanks. And in 1993, Brandon Lee, the son of martial arts legend Bruce Lee, died after he was shot in the head by a gun firing blanks on the set of The Crow. Both incidents were determined to have been accidents."

This is a developing story and will be updated.

 

[MadStan]

Obviously if you point a gun at someone and pull the trigger, you're responsible for the repercussions.

The real question is if you work up @Menotaur into a tard rage over this, are you all responsible for his next heart attack?

Edit: I am not an expert at telling the difference between a dummy round, a blank, and a live round. But I bet if you spent five minutes a day showing me pictures of all three and stressing the life and death differences of all three, I could probably figure that shit out.

I'm also not a dumb Hollywood faggot, so I am ahead of the curve here.

You gotta separate what someone writes versus what they actually feel. Shit, you do not actually think I sit there and slam away on the keyboard literally in a tard rage do you? I smile when I read your comments. It is entertaining. My writing? Script for my role on here.

This is theater and we all have our roles. Mine is to be sane and accurately predict the outcome of almost every court case or investigation that has ever been mentioned on KF and get it right. Be it Stolen Elections, Powell, charges against Trump associates, Rappers, Powell sanctions, or police officers. Yeah, I'm the smug little cunt you wanna smack in the mouth.

Your job is to perpetuate delusions of why people should go free or not based on your opinion and like or dislike of the person and exemplify why the rule of law is important in leu of your delusional fantasy of kangaroo courts for your political and cultural foes.

And you do a great job. I commend you!

 

[Mike Stoklasa]

Hannah has no idea where the live rounds came from.

THIS DOESN'T HELP, HANNAH.

 

[Gar For Archer]

Get a life, you self-important faggot.

 

[Still Anonymous For This]

Shit, you do not actually think I sit there and slam away on the keyboard literally in a tard rage do you?

Please go outside before you have another heart attack.

 

[X Prime]

Every time Menotaur posts, all I see is the Baron Harkonnen.

And not even the iconic Lynch Dune version.

 

[Particle Bored]

No, you are not responsible.

That is the entire point of why the actor will not be charged. He is not responsible. The reason why he is not responsible is what you need to understand and comes to terms with.

I guess if you sit on a chair with a needle sticking out that gives you a disease we can say you are responsible for your own infection for failing to take the elementary step of checking the chair - unless of course we hired 2 people to check the chair before you sat down, you might think in some crazy world that they might be responsible.

I would never ask an Actor to be an expert on firearms. They are just actors. ACTORS. I would not expect a need to send them for training on live rounds or blanks and expect them to keep up with every manufacturers production of blanks or otherwise to know the difference form maker to maker, set to set, know every gun type and how they work. Should we ask the cast of Star Trek to know how to operate an electrical console in a movie that might electrocute them?

But I would instead pay hired people - 2 in fact - to take that responsibility for the actors. Just the same as I would not ask an Actor to check a power point and demand he become an electrician. Or a car used on a set, open up it's hood and take it to Muffler City to absolutely verify before driving it or to become a mechanic, that it was indeed safe. Instead we hire people to do these jobs for safety reasons. A machine operator at a factory is usually a pretty unskilled guy, didn't finish top of his class, but I would not demand that they know or understand a complex piece of machinery and know and attest it is safe prior to operation - but I would hire factory staff that go around and test and know the machines are safe to use.

Do you check the gas lines before you turn on the stove every you go to use it? No? Well where is your safety?? When was the last time you opened up your power outlets to ensure there were no frayed wires? Or would you hire an electrician to do it? And would you even if you got an electrician to do it, claim you had to inspect it yourself to be certain?

If a 7 year old kid picks up a gun and dad says it is empty and points it at dad and it goes off, I guess in your world you could charge the kid with murder. But only in your world of black and white which doesn't work in the real world or in a court room.

This is getting beyond retarded. Stop acting like you know wtf youre talking about. Is it a common practice to have poison needles sticking out of chairs? Is there a set of "four basic rules for sitting your ass on a piece of furniture" that I'm unaware of? If an actor gets in a car and punches the gas and runs someone over "oh well it's not like he's an F1 driver how should he know how to operate a car?" Im not an electrician, but Im also not a retard, so I can apply basic electrical safety concepts that ive gleaned over my lifetime (or that even a short bus rider can look up on the interweb) to replace outlets and lightswitches without issue. Not an HVAC tech but I managed to diagnose and repair my central heating furnace.

You keep bringing up manufacturing equipment. Have you ever been in an actual manufacturing facility? Do you think so little of blue collar machine operators as to believe theyre just lever-pulling monkeys? The operators are trained on proper safe operation, and the common things to check before operation to ensure safety. Its quite common even for equipment to have a sign posted right on the machine to remind of points to check prior to startup for safe operation, evidencing that it doesnt take a certified service "expert" to check the basics. I'm not a certified forklift mechanic, but im still expected to go over the daily checklist (leaking hydraulic lines? Bad tread? Functional seatbelt? Etc) before operation.

And now youre talking about fucking 7 year olds with guns. Children. Minors with no legal liability. Christ.

I guess we will have to disagree. Clearly, checking the firearm does take an expert.

Expert 1 (the Armourer) got it wrong.
Expert 2 (the Assistant Director) got it wrong.

If an Expert can look at a round that is not live and get it wrong - and the next expert also gets it wrong, then asking the Actor to have more sense than the 2 actual experts is a real stretch.

Good luck with your point of view. I guess the lack of charges for Negligent Homicide against the Actor we will just have to chalk up to being a really good looking actor with incredible influence and money. It's the only explanation.

Clearly neither of those two were "experts." What qualifications did she have? None. Just a name.

 

[MadStan]

This is getting beyond exceptional. Stop acting like you know wtf youre talking about. Is it a common practice to have poison needles sticking out of chairs? Is there a set of "four basic rules for sitting your ass on a piece of furniture" that I'm unaware of? If an actor gets in a car and punches the gas and runs someone over "oh well it's not like he's an F1 driver how should he know how to operate a car?" Im not an electrician, but Im also not an exceptional individual, so I can apply basic electrical safety concepts that ive gleaned over my lifetime to replace outlets and lightswitches without issue.

You keep bringing up manufacturing equipment. Have you ever been in an actual manufacturing facility? Do you think so little of blue collar machine operators as to believe theyre just lever-pulling monkeys? The operators are trained on proper safe operation, and the common things to check before operation to ensure safety. Its quite common even for equipment to have a sign posted right on the machine to remind of points to check prior to startup for safe operation. I'm not a certified forklift mechanic, but im still expected to go over the daily checklist (leaking hydraulic lines? Bad tread? Functional seatbelt? Etc) before operation.

And now youre talking about fucking 7 year olds with guns. Children. Minors with no legal liability. Christ.

Clearly neither of those two were "experts." What qualifications did she have? None. Just a name.

You said:

This is getting beyond exceptional. Stop acting like you know wtf youre talking about. Is it a common practice to have poison needles sticking out of chairs? Is there a set of "four basic rules for sitting your ass on a piece of furniture" that I'm unaware of?

More people die from falling off chairs than you can imagine. Far more than are shot on sets.

If an actor gets in a car and punches the gas and runs someone over "oh well it's not like he's an F1 driver how should he know how to operate a car?"

You are comparing given a prop gun to a real life F1 car? That's interesting.

Im not an electrician, but Im also not an exceptional individual, so I can apply basic electrical safety concepts that ive gleaned over my lifetime to replace outlets and lightswitches without issue.

Yes, you are not an exceptional individual and I'll be sure to let your insurance company know this.

You keep bringing up manufacturing equipment. Have you ever been in an actual manufacturing facility? Do you think so little of blue collar machine operators as to believe theyre just lever-pulling monkeys? The operators are trained on proper safe operation, and the common things to check before operation to ensure safety. Its quite common even for equipment to have a sign posted right on the machine to remind of points to check prior to startup for safe operation. I'm not a certified forklift mechanic, but im still expected to go over the daily checklist (leaking hydraulic lines? Bad tread? Functional seatbelt? Etc) before operation.

Yes, they are generally monkeys. Like Actors. This was clearly gone over in "Zoolander" and I am loathed to repeat the script. You aren't a certified forklift mechanic because you don't have the skill.

And now youre talking about fucking 7 year olds with guns. Children. Minors with no legal liability. Christ.

Eureka. There you have it. "...no legal liability..." the point of my position to whole time you tard baby, re-read those 3 words you dip shit. Let them sink in. Here I'll repeat your words again "...no legal liability..."

I'll leave this thread for now until we have a position from the police, my point has been made. thank you.

 

[Particle Bored]

1: You didnt say "falling off chairs." You said some bullshit about infected needles. And youre comparing guns to fucking chairs. Common sense seating control NOW!

2: I didnt say a "real life F1 car," though I beliece even F1 cars operate with the same basic gas/break/clutch/steering wheel controls as a regular consumer car. And if an actor was required to use a manual transmission for a movie and they werent familiar, they would be trained to do so. Hell, F1s dont even have turn signals. And apparently every car driven in any movie should be referred to as a "prop car." Whatever helps deflect from the fundamental nature of the thing.

3: Gotta dox me first.

4: lol "zoolander told me." Fuck off NEET. (I also get paid more than a forklift service tech, because my skills are even more specialized and harder to train)

5: Children never have legal liability except under the most egregious situation, such as deliberate infliction of violence (not sure if "liability" would be the right term, but they can face criminal consequence, though even that is generally expunged at the point of adulthood). You really are retarded.

 

[Mike Stoklasa]

Hey guys what's going on??

 

[AnnLurker]

Stop talking to the faggot, he's just got a hard on for Baldwin and doesn't want his precious actor to be in jail.

 

[Pocket Dragoon]

Stop talking to the faggot, he's just got a hard on for Baldwin and doesn't want his precious actor to be in jail.

Not even that, he just gets hard at the sound of his own voice.

 

[Billy Beer]

A 100 times in a factory a machine is altered to fit a more smooth running operation - let's take a stamping machine as an example that requires two hands to activate to avoid an arm getting in the machine. Most factories deactivate these so the machine operator can use one hand to grab the material while the other keeps the machine active. But seldom do arms get lost. it speeds up an operation.

Not to jump on the bandwagon of flogging a dead horse, but this is wrong. Simply wrong. I've worked in factories in Eastern Europe where the workers come dressed in shorts and flip flops, with no inclination toward, or care for safety, and none of those workers COULD over-ride those dead-man's switch mechanisms, even if they wanted to. The machine is designed so that you can't turn them off.

Any company that does mess with the factory settings and has an accident, is taken to task with the full extent of the law, often with jail times for the plant manager and heavy fines towards the company.

The only way what you say could be real, is if you work in a place where company bottom line over rules the laws of safety, which would have to be places like India and China. And if you're using them as an example of safety...

but I would not demand that they know or understand a complex piece of machinery and know and attest it is safe prior to operation - but I would hire factory staff that go around and test and know the machines are safe to use.

I hope to Christ that you aren't in any kind of managerial position.

 

[SITHRAK!]

As an example, why have 2 people check the guns? Surely one person is enough - it is either OK or not OK, the gun is good or it is not, so why have 2 people do it?

Because each time another person crosschecks, the chances of an error slipping through are significantly reduced, you obtuse dipshit.
One person fucking up when inexperienced and under pressure is a possibility. That fuckup making it through two more crosschecks by two more people is a virtual impossibility. I can’t believe I’m having to explain this.

It’s the same reason there are two pilots on every commercial airline flight, and they crosscheck all the settings and readings for takeoff and landing. It’s the same reason surgical nurses repeat the name of the surgical tool when passing them to the surgeon.

How do you know the live round wasn't made to look like a blank? You do not.

Blanks and live rounds are visually distinct as a result of their function, which you’d know if you knew anything about firearms.

The only way to make a blank into a functioning cartridge would be to open the crimping, insert a projectile, then close the crimping again.
Problem is that damaged or altered crimping would be immediately noticeable, not just because of tool marks or uneven recrimping, but also because blanks are normally sealed with colored lacquer which would flake off if the crimping was changed.

Add to that the challenge that a projectile in a crimped case is unlikely to be able to leave the case, potentially causing it to explode when fired. You could get around this by using a projectile much smaller than the case diameter and crimping, but then you’d lose bore seal and the projectile wouldn’t have the velocity to go through one person and into another.

So yeah- I know a live round wasn’t made to look like a blank because that’s not technically possible to do and get the outcome we’ve seen.

I am not an expert at telling the difference between a dummy round, a blank, and a live round. But I bet if you spent five minutes a day showing me pictures of all three and stressing the life and death differences of all three, I could probably figure that shit out.

You could learn the visual difference between a live round, a blank and a dummy just by reading this thread (with the exception of rat-shot .22lr which is almost indistinguishable from a .22lr crimped blank).

 

[Leslie Nielsen]

>Looks at thread
>Menotaur raging so bad he'll probably have another heart attack
Very sad

 

[X Prime]

At least the av kind of fits now.

 

[Snekposter]

>Looks at thread
>Menotaur raging so bad he'll probably have another heart attack
Very sad

Many such cases!

 

[X Prime]

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[Leslie Nielsen]

Many such cases!

I just love that he tried to pull off one of his many "write as many empty words as possible to look smart" gimmick posts only for him to get hilariously BTFO from all possible sides. I suppose it's better than posting about his deep research into Trump's penis size.

 

[Still Anonymous For This]

You could learn the visual difference between a live round, a blank and a dummy just by reading this thread (with the exception of rat-shot .22lr which is almost indistinguishable from a .22lr crimped blank).

I came here to laugh at Menotaur, not to read.

 

[PFM]

You could learn the visual difference between a live round, a blank and a dummy just by reading this thread (with the exception of rat-shot .22lr which is almost indistinguishable from a .22lr crimped blank).

I'll take your word for it that those exist but the only snake/rat shot i've seen look like this

https://image.sportsmansguide.com/adimgs/l/9/9553m2_ts.jpg

Anyway crimped blank cartridges are super fucking ovious....