Alec Baldwin's 'prop firearm' kills one, injures another

Sheriff's office: Alec Baldwin discharged prop gun that killed crew member, wounded director

Baldwin is one of the film's star actors and producers. He went to the sheriff's office willingly and provided a statement to investigators, sheriff's office spokesman Juan Ríos said.

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Actor Alec Baldwin discharged a "prop firearm" that killed a cinematographer and injured a the director of the movie Rust, being filmed on a set south of Santa Fe, a county sheriff's office spokesman said late Thursday.

Halyna Hutchins, 42 and the director of photography for the movie, died at University of New Mexico Hospital in Albuquerque. The film's director, Joel Souza, was hospitalized in Santa Fe, Santa Fe County Sheriff's Office spokesman Juan Ríos said.

A source closed to the investigation said Baldwin, 63, was questioned by investigators late Thursday and was seen by a New Mexican reporter and photographer in tears.

Investigators are still trying to determine if the incident was an accident, Ríos said. No charges have been filed, and the investigation remains open, Ríos wrote in a news release.

The prop was fired at Bonanza Creek Ranch, where filming was underway, the sheriff's office said in an early evening news release. Baldwin stars in the production.

Hutchins died from her injuries after she was flown to University of New Mexico Hospital, according to the sheriff's office. Souza was taken to Christus St. Vincent Regional Medical Center, where he is receiving emergency care, the sheriff's office said. Attempts to get comment from Baldwin were unsuccessful.

“We received the devastating news this evening, that one of our members, Halyna Hutchins, the Director of Photography on a production called ‘Rust’ in New Mexico died from injuries sustained on the set,” John Lindley, the president of the International Cinematographers Guild Local 600, and Rebecca Rhine, the executive director, said in a statement, as reported by Variety. “The details are unclear at this moment, but we are working to learn more, and we support a full investigation into this tragic event. This is a terrible loss, and we mourn the passing of a member of our Guild’s family.”

Deputies were investigating how the accident occurred and "what type of projectile was discharged," the sheriff's office said in an earlier news release.

Rust Movie Productions did not immediately respond to requests for comment.

Filming for Rust was set to continue into early November, according to a news release from the New Mexico Film Office. It's described as the story of a 13-year-old boy left to fend for himself and his younger brother following the death of their parents in 1880s Kansas, with New Mexico doubling for Kansas.

Guns firing blanks have been blamed for deaths in past movie productions. Online Hollywood news site Deadline reported, "Actor Jon-Erik Hexum was killed Oct. 18, 1984, on the set of the TV series Cover Up when he accidentally shot himself in the head with a gun loaded with blanks. And in 1993, Brandon Lee, the son of martial arts legend Bruce Lee, died after he was shot in the head by a gun firing blanks on the set of The Crow. Both incidents were determined to have been accidents."

This is a developing story and will be updated.

 

[SITHRAK!]

The Instathot thinks someone "sabotaged" the set by placing live ammo with the blanks (archive):

‘Rust’ armorer’s attorney suggests set possibly sabotaged by disgruntled crew member

Alec Baldwin’s fatal shooting of his cinematographer may have been the deadly result of a “disgruntled” crew member “sabotaging” the set.

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Someone feels those walls closing in hard.

Even if someone really did place a live round with blanks (more likely, she mixed up her plinking ammo with the blanks), isn't she still just as fucked? She was in charge of the guns and they were left unsecured under her watch. Also, she's responsible for checking that the gun is unloaded before it goes to set "cold", and she let it go out with blanks and a live round. How do you fuck that up with a revolver? That's a really simple check.

I hope her chubby thot ass spends time in jail.

It’s important to note that the pistol was loaded with two dummy rounds and one live round, and no blanks.
It’s also important to note that dummies, blanks and live ammo all look visually distinct, and for good reason.
Dummies are supposed to have their primers pulled and their cases drilled or slotted to mark them as inert.
If the armorer loads a live round thinking it’s a dummy, that’s a criminally incompetent breach of one of the most basic on-set safety rules.

 

[MadStan]

Sabotage is a previously raised possibility and a very interesting one.

Baldwin is such not the focus of the investigation it isn't funny.

While most you were on day one going to call it a day as "Baldwin, Murder, case closed", others with a little more sense were taking an appropriate deeper look into this.

I am laughing at your simpleton conclusion Baldwin was gonna be charged and hanged for this.

 

[SITHRAK!]

While most you were on day one going to call it a day as "Baldwin, Murder, case closed", others with a little more sense were taking an appropriate deeper look into this.

Who was calling it murder? Without premeditation it’s clearly not murder. Most people on the thread give the impression of calling it negligent homicide or involuntary manslaughter.

More of that ‘arguing points nobody is making’ that appears to be your stock-in-trade there, chief.

 

[Jann_Hörn]

Sabotage is a previously raised possibility and a very interesting one.

Could an evil trump supporter have done the sabotage? Maybe it was Jared Kushner himself, does anyone have the location of Steve Bannon at the time of the incident?

Doesn’t matter, all I know is that Alec Baldwin dindu nuffin except kill that cinematographer.

 

[MadStan]

Could an evil trump supporter have done the sabotage? Maybe it was Jared Kushner himself, does anyone have the location of Steve Bannon at the time of the incident?

Doesn’t matter, all I know is that Alec Baldwin dindu nuffin except kill that cinematographer.

I'm not of the thought it was a Trumptard, just a guy who was angry at the set and wanted to see ramifications for being fired; underpaid or the poor conditions. Could be a Trump supporter but I doubt it.

If the round was planted I'd have no doubt they would not have thought this could have happened - a death. Negligent Sabotage? Lol.

Anyways, it is a theory and it will only go as far as the evidence takes it; and we have not been told the nuts and bolts of the sequence of events which are very important in such a case. The investigators have their hands quite full at this time. They will have to reconstruct the day in precision to understand what exactly transpired. But right now, I'd imagine records are being pulled with warrants on cell tower info (if possible) and previous employees dismissed that day or earlier on the walk out for statements and then verification fo their stories.

This is going to get much more complicated before a real picture emerges of exactly what happened.

The scene we have been presented thus far has too many omissions and is missing exacting details to know or make speculation; but all said and done, if the armourer is telling the truth, then we may very well have a saboteur aboard; who has gone from creating a safety investigation to a homicide.

 

[SITHRAK!]

The only way it would be ‘sabotage’ is if someone deliberately and knowingly loaded a live round into the weapon before Baldwin started practicing.
Given that the weapon was loaded by Gutierrez-Reed (in contravention of established industry safety rules) before being picked up by Hall and declared ‘cold’ without checking (also contravening those rules), sabotage is far less likely than simple incompetence.

The fact that a weapon, loaded (theoretically) with dummies, was on the armory table ‘ready to go’ was incompetence.
The fact that someone could walk up to that table and grab a weapon without permission or clearance was incompetence.
The failure to cross check that the weapon had an empty cylinder at each stage from armorer to actor was incompetence.
The use of a loaded weapon- dummies count in this context- to practice a scene, is incompetence.
The actor’s and director’s decision to use a loaded weapon to rehearse a scene is incompetence.
The actor’s decison to draw, cock, and discharge the weapon while aiming at someone is incompetence.

Now this list isn’t comprehensive. There’s a long line of fuckups that needed to occur for a saboteur to successfully cause this shooting. We know that someone loaded a live round, the idea that it’s someone disgruntled at the production is a long bow to draw. Never ascribe to malice what can be adequately ascribed to stupidity.

 

[Snekposter]

until the trail begins.

I know this is a typo, but Baldwin getting force-marched to the courthouse is perfectly fitting since its a Western and all that.

 

[Art Kassul]

I know this is a typo, but Baldwin getting force-marched to the courthouse is perfectly fitting since its a Western and all that.

Throw in self-flaggelation and some yodeling during the march, for some reason.

 

[MadStan]

Has anyone else noticed the double talk from Hannah's lawyer and then what Hannah is actually saying?

"A lawyer for the armorer who oversaw weapons used on the Rust movie set suggested on Wednesday that someone deliberately put a live round into the gun used by Alec Baldwin when he accidentally shot dead a cinematographer.

"Jason Bowles said his client, Hannah Gutierrez, had pulled ammunition from a box that she believed contained only dummy rounds that were incapable of firing. He said he thought it was possible that someone purposely placed real bullets, which look similar to dummies, into the box.

"We’re afraid that could have been what happened here, that somebody intended to sabotage this set with a live round intentionally placed in a box of dummies,” Bowles said on ABC television’s Good Morning America."

The Lawyer and outlets are saying "...live round put into the gun..." while Hannah is saying "...live round put into the box of dummies..." two entirely different things. And then the lawyer is double talking then later saying "box" as well but not "gun".

If Hannah thinks pulling rounds from a box of dummies and one was live negates her job to actually look, she is in for much disappointment when they complete their investigation. It would seem the lawyer is on a campaign to skew the concept of it being any different between someone putting a live round in the gun or in the box as being the same thing as he defense.

If anything, this is establishing Hannah has just screwed herself because if they actually go with the theory of a live round being placed into the dummy box, it would only confirm she never looked at the rounds at all as she loaded them.

I fear she and her lawyer have just fucked themselves.

 

[Grand Wizard Wakka]

that somebody intended to sabotage this set with a live round intentionally placed in a box of dummies

Plot twist: it was Alec Baldwin.

 

[DrunkJoe]

Has anyone else noticed the double talk from Hannah's lawyer and then what Hannah is actually saying?

"A lawyer for the armorer who oversaw weapons used on the Rust movie set suggested on Wednesday that someone deliberately put a live round into the gun used by Alec Baldwin when he accidentally shot dead a cinematographer.

"Jason Bowles said his client, Hannah Gutierrez, had pulled ammunition from a box that she believed contained only dummy rounds that were incapable of firing. He said he thought it was possible that someone purposely placed real bullets, which look similar to dummies, into the box.

"We’re afraid that could have been what happened here, that somebody intended to sabotage this set with a live round intentionally placed in a box of dummies,” Bowles said on ABC television’s Good Morning America."

The Lawyer and outlets are saying "...live round put into the gun..." while Hannah is saying "...live round put into the box of dummies..." two entirely different things. And then the lawyer is double talking then later saying "box" as well but not "gun".

If Hannah thinks pulling rounds from a box of dummies and one was live negates her job to actually look, she is in for much disappointment when they complete their investigation. It would seem the lawyer is on a campaign to skew the concept of it being any different between someone putting a live round in the gun or in the box as being the same thing as he defense.

If anything, this is establishing Hannah has just screwed herself because if they actually go with the theory of a live round being placed into the dummy box, it would only confirm she never looked at the rounds at all as she loaded them.

I fear she and her lawyer have just fucked themselves.

So even if she fucked up she didn't pull the trigger. Baldwin did. You obviously know shit about firearms and how to handle the. just like Alec Baldwin. She can be charged too butthat does not give the liberal faggot a pass for being ignorant of firearm safety.

 

[Art Kassul]

Plot twist: it was Alec Baldwin.

"in a box of dummies"
Not surprising to find him in there.

 

[Drdinnermint]

The prop should have been totally empty during a rehearsal.
They're all guilty

 

[SITHRAK!]

"Jason Bowles said his client, Hannah Gutierrez, had pulled ammunition from a box that she believed contained only dummy rounds that were incapable of firing. He said he thought it was possible that someone purposely placed real bullets, which look similar to dummies, into the box.

Okay, so, as has been covered many times already in this thread, dummy rounds are always drilled or slotted to indicate that they are inert, and they generally have their primers pulled too.

The theory of ‘mistaking a live round for a dummy’ was brought up in this thread while everyone else was still arguing about prop guns and blanks. Apparently some cunt calling himself SITHRAK! was the first person to say this was the probable cause of the accident, possibly in the world, most likely because he’s actually knowledgeable about firearms and shit on film sets. See his post on page 38 of this thread.

An armorer cannot use the defense of ‘someone else put a live bullet in with the dummies’ because a) they’re supposed to know the fucking difference between a live round and an inert one and b) there should be no weapon on the armory or prop tables with any loadings at all- dummies included.

And as a side note, even if the armorer fucked up, it doesn’t exonerate Baldwin, who still pointed a weapon a weapon he had not personally verified was unloaded, at two other people, cocked it, and pulled the trigger.

Bonus points to anyone who can explain how this may be a viable defense.

 

[MadStan]

So even if she fucked up she didn't pull the trigger. Baldwin did. You obviously know shit about firearms and how to handle the. just like Alec Baldwin. She can be charged too butthat does not give the liberal faggot a pass for being ignorant of firearm safety.

I'm quoting sources and what they are saying. That is kind of my point if you read it. Hannah's defense is worthless. That is the point. As it says in the guidelines "This board is for content aggregation and should feature at least one source" which is why I am quoting what they are saying - not what I think.

As for Baldwin, you still do not understand the definition of Negligent Homicide and you associate it with someones death as a result of some negligence - which is not the definition.

There is a bar of negligence that has to be met for it to be considered "Negligent Homicide" and merely being negligent in some way is not the bar. This is why Baldwin will walk free from such a charge if one is ever made.

Whether right or wrong, merely having some negligence will not make you liable under Law for Negligent Homicide. There is a bar to be met and what Baldwin did; does not meet that bar. I can't help but feel most on here asking for Baldwin's ass in a sling are the same types who could not understand Derek being found guilty - a man who displayed reckless negligence with prejudice. These outcomes are not that surprising when one removes one's prejudice from the equation.

 

[Milwaukee Macho Man]

Who was calling it murder?

Menotaur is still assblasted by those of us who were shitposting and trolling on day one and can't let it go that they couldn't figure it out.

That's why they still are sperging about murder even though everyone stopped doing that shitposting like two weeks ago now.

 

[KingofNothing]

I don't see what there is to debate about. There was a long string of incompetence between the Armorer, the AD, and Baldwin that led to an innocent woman getting killed due to unsafe conditions. They ALL played a part in something that could have been avoided by following basic gun safety protocols and should all be appropriately punished.

Now whether asses will get appropriately spanked by the law is an entirely different matter and we all know how money talks in these situations.

 

[RodgerDodger]

It’s important to note that the pistol was loaded with two dummy rounds and one live round, and no blanks.
It’s also important to note that dummies, blanks and live ammo all look visually distinct, and for good reason.
Dummies are supposed to have their primers pulled and their cases drilled or slotted to mark them as inert.
If the armorer loads a live round thinking it’s a dummy, that’s a criminally incompetent breach of one of the most basic on-set safety rules.

Jt's important to note that we don't actually know what the pistol was in fact loaded with. Instathot and the serial safety hazzard AD tampered with the evidence before police arrived.

The AD picked up the pistol from the bench Baldwin dropped it on, took it outside to Armorer Chick and they popped it open and pulled out the cartridges to examine them. We only have their word as to what was inside the gun. Similarly this tampering forms the basis of Instathots claim of sabotage. As she effectively smeared her prints all ove the bullets post shooting. If they had left them in the gun the police could tell who loaded it from prints. (Likely her).

 

[Leslie Nielsen]

Menotaur: "I'm not coming back in this thread to argue anymore. Good Day!"

Comes back to post more drivel and rage at people for not understanding his brilliance.

Must be a day ending in Y.

 

[Poppavalyim Andropoff]