Alec Baldwin's 'prop firearm' kills one, injures another


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Actor Alec Baldwin discharged a "prop firearm" that killed a cinematographer and injured a the director of the movie Rust, being filmed on a set south of Santa Fe, a county sheriff's office spokesman said late Thursday.

Halyna Hutchins, 42 and the director of photography for the movie, died at University of New Mexico Hospital in Albuquerque. The film's director, Joel Souza, was hospitalized in Santa Fe, Santa Fe County Sheriff's Office spokesman Juan Ríos said.

A source closed to the investigation said Baldwin, 63, was questioned by investigators late Thursday and was seen by a New Mexican reporter and photographer in tears.

Investigators are still trying to determine if the incident was an accident, Ríos said. No charges have been filed, and the investigation remains open, Ríos wrote in a news release.

The prop was fired at Bonanza Creek Ranch, where filming was underway, the sheriff's office said in an early evening news release. Baldwin stars in the production.

Hutchins died from her injuries after she was flown to University of New Mexico Hospital, according to the sheriff's office. Souza was taken to Christus St. Vincent Regional Medical Center, where he is receiving emergency care, the sheriff's office said. Attempts to get comment from Baldwin were unsuccessful.

“We received the devastating news this evening, that one of our members, Halyna Hutchins, the Director of Photography on a production called ‘Rust’ in New Mexico died from injuries sustained on the set,” John Lindley, the president of the International Cinematographers Guild Local 600, and Rebecca Rhine, the executive director, said in a statement, as reported by Variety. “The details are unclear at this moment, but we are working to learn more, and we support a full investigation into this tragic event. This is a terrible loss, and we mourn the passing of a member of our Guild’s family.”

Deputies were investigating how the accident occurred and "what type of projectile was discharged," the sheriff's office said in an earlier news release.

Rust Movie Productions did not immediately respond to requests for comment.

Filming for Rust was set to continue into early November, according to a news release from the New Mexico Film Office. It's described as the story of a 13-year-old boy left to fend for himself and his younger brother following the death of their parents in 1880s Kansas, with New Mexico doubling for Kansas.

Guns firing blanks have been blamed for deaths in past movie productions. Online Hollywood news site Deadline reported, "Actor Jon-Erik Hexum was killed Oct. 18, 1984, on the set of the TV series Cover Up when he accidentally shot himself in the head with a gun loaded with blanks. And in 1993, Brandon Lee, the son of martial arts legend Bruce Lee, died after he was shot in the head by a gun firing blanks on the set of The Crow. Both incidents were determined to have been accidents."

This is a developing story and will be updated.
 

Hannah Gutierrez Reed wasn't the only weapons expert working on 'Rust.' Who was the 'armorer mentor'?​


Anousha Sakoui, Meg James, Julia Wick, Amy Kaufman
Mon, November 8, 2021, 5:33 PM·7 min read


Hannah Gutierrez Reed, 24, wasn't the only weapons wrangler attached to the western film "Rust," starring Alec Baldwin.
The film's producers also had brought in a second gun expert: Seth Kenney, who owns a licensed Lake Havasu City, Ariz., weapons and props rental company. Kenney was added to the "Rust" crew in late September as an "armorer mentor" for Gutierrez Reed, according to an internal "Rust" crew list shared with the Los Angeles Times.
Kenney, 51, suggested Gutierrez Reed for the armorer job, according to a person close to the production who was not authorized to comment.

He also supplied the guns used in "Rust," according to six people familiar with the matter who asked not to be identified because of the sensitive nature of the Santa Fe County Sheriff's Office investigation into last month's deadly shooting in New Mexico.
Baldwin shot one live round from his FD Pietta Colt .45 prop gun during an Oct. 21 rehearsal at Bonanza Creek Ranch, killing cinematographer Halyna Hutchins and injuring the film's director, Joel Souza. Santa Fe County Sheriff Adan Mendoza has said the bullet went through Hutchins, 42, and into Souza's shoulder. Souza was treated at a Santa Fe hospital and released.
Two of the knowledgeable people who spoke with The Times said Kenney provided the Colt .45 that Baldwin fired that day.
Kenney declined to be interviewed for this story, citing the pending investigation.
Sheriff's detectives are still investigating key details of the shooting, including who brought live ammunition onto the movie set — a violation of film production safety protocols — and who loaded at least one lead bullet into the Colt revolver used by Baldwin.
It's unclear what, if any, ammunition Kenney may have provided to the production.
Santa Fe County Sheriff's spokesperson Juan Ríos declined Monday to comment on the investigation.
Sheriff's deputies seized more than 500 rounds of ammunition from the set of "Rust," a period film set in 1880s Kansas and filmed on the vast Bonanza Creek Ranch, a popular movie location, about 13 miles south of Santa Fe. Additional rounds were found inside the revolver that Baldwin fired, Mendoza said last month during a news conference. The rounds have been sent to FBI crime laboratory in Quantico, Va., for analysis, Ríos said.
It also is unclear how large of a role Kenney played as "mentor" to Gutierrez Reed during the "Rust" production. Representatives for the producers, Rust LLC, and the unit production managers, 3rd Shift Media, declined Monday to comment.
Before "Rust," Gutierrez Reed had worked as the head armorer on just one other production, the Nicolas Cage western "The Old Way," which was filmed last summer in Montana. "Safety is Hannah's number one priority on set. Hannah has no idea where the live rounds came from," according to a statement from Gutierrez Reed's attorneys. "Hannah was hired for two positions on this film, which made it extremely difficult to focus on her job as an armorer. She fought for training, days to maintain weapons and proper time to prepare for gunfire but ultimately was overruled by production and her department."
Several "Rust" crew members who spoke with The Times said they didn't recall seeing Kenney on the Bonanza Creek Ranch set.
Employing an "armorer mentor" for a TV or film production appears to be exceedingly rare. Several longtime prop masters and armorers told The Times that they've never heard of such a position. One longtime armorer said that a supervisory role would usually be called a "key armorer" or "weapons master." Another prop master said the more common title would be "armorer assistant" for the more junior person.
More than two decades ago, Kenney was an entrepreneur in San Clemente. With his then-wife, Kenney was part-owner of several San Clemente businesses, including a stationery store, Cheers; a gift shop, Summer House; and the Del Mar Bicycle Co., which Seth Kenney ran, according to a 1996 article in The Times.
Kenney has worked in the film industry for at least a decade and has one major film credit, according to IMDb. He was listed as a "weapon's consultant" on the 2015 Shia LaBeouf film “Man Down,” a story about a former U.S. Marine who returns home from Afghanistan.
From 2011 to April 2016, Kenney worked at the Hand Prop Room, one of Los Angeles' biggest prop houses, which boasts on its website that it has amassed more than 1 million props. Kenney handled the store's weapons arsenal and dealt with prop masters for such shows as AMC's "The Walking Dead," and movies such as "Django Unchained."
"He rolled into Hollywood from Orange County in 2011. .... I met him for the first time when he was working at the Hand Prop firm," said Hope M. Parrish, property master on "Django Unchained."
"I came in to look at their weapons for 'Django' and he was a sales person in the weapons room there," Parrish said. "Nice kid."
Another industry source, who dealt with Kenney at the Hand Prop Room, said they also had a positive experience.
"He’s very knowledgeable in the field. He's a personable person, very good at educating individuals who aren’t so good at weapons," said this person who was not authorized to speak publicly. "He customized the weapons for whatever load you’re needing, which is very precise, he’s one of the very few who know how to do that. He provided weapons to hundreds of productions when he worked there."
But Kenney had a falling out with the Hand Prop Room's owners in a dispute over alleged misconduct and missing guns. The Hand Prop Room filed suit against Kenney in Los Angeles County Superior Court in May 2016, alleging that Kenney had taken some of its weapons to start a competing business. The Hand Prop Room also alleged that Kenney was trying to siphon off its clients for his own business.
Kenney had formed his own company called PDQ Media Arm & Prop in Georgia four months earlier, in January 2016. The Hand Prop Room alleged in its tortious interference lawsuit that Kenney was trying to poach one of its longtime customers, the prop master for "The Walking Dead." The Hand Prop Room owners said in the lawsuit that they learned he had opened his own firm in April 2016 while he was employed with them.
In March 2017, the Hand Prop Room asked to have the case dismissed — and it was, according to court records.
Monty Pollack, one of the owners of the Hand Prop Room, declined to comment this weekend on his dealings with Kenney.
Kenney's Georgia-based firm dissolved in August 2017, according to state records.
The following month, Kenney opened PDQ Media Arm & Prop in Lake Havasu City, Ariz.. In April 2019, he separately listed a similarly named prop company, PDQ Arm & Prop, LLC, based in Albuquerque, according to New Mexico public records.
Gutierrez Reed lives in Bullhead City, Ariz., about 65 miles from Lake Havasu City, where Kenney maintains a residence.
Kenney’s company holds two licenses for dealing in firearms issued by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, according to agency records. The company is registered with federal authorities to manufacture most firearms with the intent to sell them, and to import weapons and ammunition. The licenses expire in 2024, records show.
The licenses also allow employees of the company — alternatively called PDQ Arm & Prop LLC and PDQ Media Arms and Prop LLC — to legally transport guns over state lines.
Federal officials require that applicants for a federal firearms license be fingerprinted, undergo a background check and complete an in-person interview. Licensees are required to keep a record of firearms sales and to send a report to ATF when selling multiple firearms to the same purchaser within a short time frame.
Staff writers Laura J. Nelson and James Queally contributed to this report.
This story originally appeared in Los Angeles Times.
 
They’re going to shift the goalposts and blame for this to the point where Alec Baldwin won’t be at fault (because he’s one of the DNCs useful idiots), the original armorer in question won’t be at fault (because she’s stronk independent womyn with badass male-dominated Hollywood job), so the next head down the totem pole is this “armorer mentor”, because he’s a male and ostensibly white.

I also have a feeling that if anything against Baldwin goes to trial, they’ll softball it the whole way there because NM doesn’t want to lose out on the tax revenue they get from faggywood playing make believe outside of Taos.
 
OK, I've read the entire thread. I saw that someone tagged me early on since I'm one of the resident gun spergs, and I'm sorry it's taken me this long to give my input.

For the record, I've spent my whole life around firearms and they are my main passion in life. I've gone through a lot of safety and self defense training. I've worked in the firearms industry building firearms for a small local company. I've carried firearms for work and self defense and I'm a hunter. I take this stuff very seriously. I am also a big fan of cinema and have done some research into how professional movie armorers operate.

Ever since Brandon Lee was accidentally shot Hollywood has taken firearms safety extremely seriously, and even before then they took it pretty seriously. If you look at how many movies and TV shows have had firearms in them, even movies/shows where gun play typically isn't a feature, over Hollywood's long history and factor in how few accidents there have been, you can see how seriously they take this stuff (normally). Movie armorers typically need to be licensed and in some cases members of a union to work in Hollywood productions, and they need to follow strict safety rules and procedures to continue to have a job.

In Brandon Lee's case, I believe the armorer had made his own .44 Magnum dummy cartridges by pulling the bullets (the actual projectile of a round of ammunition) from the cartridge, dumping the powder, popping out the primer, then reseating the bullet in the empty cartridge. One of the bullets in the DIY dummies didn't have the proper crimp and fell out of the cartridge to get stuck part way down the barrel. This is what's called a "squib", though it normally happens when a cartridge is fired with a low powder load that doesn't have enough energy to project the bullet down the barrel all the way. When the revolver was then loaded with blanks, it pushed the squib bullet the rest of the way down the barrel and into Lee's abdomen.

Anytime a firearm is to be used in filming there is a chain of custody starting with the armorer and ending with the actor, usually with actual signatures being signed. The armorer is required to be on set at all times when the firearms are being used. They will also usually have qualified assistants with them. The blank and dummy ammo is always kept in dedicated loading/unloading zones away from the firearms. It's a whole system to avoid accidents like this from happening, and professional armorers take this VERY seriously and WILL tell an actor/director/producer to go fuck themselves if they're being pressured to do anything unsafe, like hurrying up.

Most guns in movies and TV produced in Hollywood are real guns. That's been changing in recent years, but real guns are still used. Semi and fully-automatic firearms typically need to have modifications done to cycle with blanks. With pistols, it typically is a purpose built barrel that has a bore (the hollow part of the barrel) that is much smaller than it would normally be if it were firing real live ammunition to simulate the back pressure generated by having a bullet present in the bore to cycle the weapon. In the case of rifles like an AR-15 they have a special device that looks like a flash suppressor, but is likewise restricted down to a smaller hole to provide back pressure to cycle the gas system of the rifle. These muzzle devices work similarly to the blank firing devices the military use, but are designed to keep the weapon looking as "real" as possible, whereas blank firing devices used by the military are visually quite obvious so some soldier doesn't accidentally fire his rifle with the BFD still attached to his flash suppressor (though it does still happen sometimes). Because of these modifications, most professional movie armorers will NEVER allow live/lethal ammunition anywhere near their weapons.

As others have stated, firearms that must be manually cycled (bolt/pump/lever action, revolvers, etc.) can fire both live ammunition and blanks interchangeably without modification since the action is cycled manually by the shooter after each shot. Since this film was a Western it's safe to assume they were using single action revolvers and lever action rifles. Towards the late 1800s the first semi-autos were starting to become available, and a few have been seen in movies, but typically it's single action revolvers like the Colt SAA and Smith and Wesson Model No. 3 and lever action rifles like the Winchester 1873 and 1892.

Back in the "golden days" of Western flicks a lot of the guns used were the real deal made in the 1800s, though some were new for the day since Colt was still making the SAA and Winchester was still making the 1892. The Winchester 1873 and 1892s were chambered in the same calibers as pistols, originally so people in the Old West only had to buy ammunition in the caliber of their choice, whatever that was since both the pistols and rifles could be chambered in a wide variety of pistol cartridges. Contrary to pop culture, the .45 Colt was NOT the most popular cartridge because at the time Colt wouldn't allow any rifle manufacturers to chamber their rifles for it. The .44-40 Winchester Center Fire was the most popular due to it being offered in their 1873 rifle and many revolvers, including the Colts. But there was also .38-40 WCF, .44 S&W, .44 Russian, .44 American, .32-20, and many others. And weapons in any or all of these calibers were used in Hollywood, and because of this the "five-in-one" blank was developed. This was a blank that would function in revolvers and lever rifles in the five most common calibers for those weapons (.45 Colt, .44-40 WCF, .38-40 WCF, .45 Schofield, and .44 S&W) so they only ever had to buy one kind of blank normally.

Nowadays, replicas of Old West guns made in Italy, Japan, and the US are used from manufacturers like Uberti, Pedersoli, and even Winchester. Some of these guns are subtly updated with things like the previously mentioned transfer bar safety, but a lot of them are direct replicas of the originals with no safety features, not even a transfer bar safety.

From my point of view, this accident was caused by a combination of negligence, complacency, and greed. Fault definitely falls on the armorer, who was inexperienced, uneducated, negligent, and complacent. The way she operated was inexcusable, ESPECIALLY allowing live ammunition on set and allowing the firearms to be used for recreational target shooting. The production company is to blame for not vetting the armorer properly, not testing the armorer on her skills and knowledge, not conducting mandatory firearms safety drills for everyone on set, cutting corners, pinching pennies, not taking spoken safety concerns seriously (especially after two previous negligent discharges on set), and allowing an environment of complacency and neglect to be fostered on set. And ultimately Baldwin is to blame for not demanding a weapons inspection before taking possession of his pistol, not following basic firearms safety, not demanding increased adherence to safety protocols after two previous negligent discharges, and for not only his negligence and complacency, but of everyone on set since he was a producer.

After that first negligent discharge, the whole production should have been shut down, an investigation conducted, and the armorer and probably the actor who was responsible for the negligent discharge should have lost their jobs.

It was a shit show all the way around, and something like this was just begging to happen.
 
The Dude said:
The way she operated was inexcusable, ESPECIALLY allowing live ammunition on set and allowing the firearms to be used for recreational target shooting.
Regarding the casual target shooting using the prop revolvers. Her father is Thell Reed. While he is a well respected Hollywood Armorer, he is also legendarily known as perhaps Hollywood’s greatest Quick draw and Trick Shooter for the second half of the 20th Century. Fancy 6 shooter gunplay was his specialty. Now with that in mind, who do you think was likely involved in the “plinking”? Showing how good she was at Daddy’s tricks. How else would prop guns be used for target practice, unless the Armorer knew?
 
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The three-time Emmy Award winner, 63, sat down for breakfast with Halyna's husband Matthew Hutchins and their 9-year-old son Andros on Saturday morning at La Posada in Santa Fe, New Mexico. During the short breakfast, Mr. Baldwin reportedly requested the Beatles song "Happiness is a Warm Gun" to play over and over at such a volume that little conversation could have happened between him and his guests. A noticeably playful Baldwin even asked for a karaoke microphone so he could join in the "bang bang shoot shoot" harmonies in the song. Personnel of La Posada refused.
 
Rust electrician who held dying Halyna Hutchins in his arms reveals 'scene did NOT require Alec Baldwin to shoot the revolver' as he sues for 'emotional distress'

  • Head electrician on the Rust movie set Serge Svetnoy has sued Alec Baldwin, rookie armorer Hannah Gutierrez-Reed and assistant director Dave Halls
  • He claimed that the negligence that led to Hutchins' death has caused him 'severe emotional distress' he's unsure if he can recover from
  • Svetnoy sued Baldwin for his negligence as an actor and as a producer of the movie, claiming that 'the scene did not call for (him) to shoot the Colt Revolver'
  • In a tribute post to Hutchins on Facebook Svetnoy said he 'was standing shoulder-to-shoulder with Halyna' when she was fatally shot
  • 'I was holding her in my arms while she was dying. Her blood was on my hands,' he added before filing the suit, which asked for damages and a jury trial

By SHANNON THALER FOR DAILYMAIL.COM [article / archive]

PUBLISHED: 14:42 EST, 10 November 2021 | UPDATED: 15:02 EST, 10 November 2021

The head electrician on the Rust movie set who held dying Halyna Hutchins in his arms has sued Alec Baldwin, rookie armorer Hannah Gutierrez-Reed and assistant director Dave Halls over 'severe emotional distress' after the fatal shooting and revealed that the scene did not call for Baldwin to fire the gun.

Serge Svetnoy filed the suit against the three crew members - as well as others, who remain unnamed - and claimed that their alleged negligence led to the shooting and put him in emotional turmoil.

Svetnoy alleged in the court documents that the bullet struck director Joel Souza, 48, and killed Hutchins, 42, nearly hit him, too, according to TMZ.

He also said that he was one of the first people to tend to Halyna while she was bleeding out and attempted to keep her conscious.

He told TMZ that he's suing Baldwin because he 'owed a duty to the Plaintiff and other crew members and actors on the "Rust" set to handle the Colt Revolver provided to him by Defendant Halls with reasonable care and diligence for the safety of "Rust" cast and crew'.

'This duty called for Defendant Baldwin to double-check the Colt Revolver with Halls upon being handled to ensure that it did not contain live ammonization,' he added in the court documents.

Svetnoy went on to claim that if Baldwin knew the gun was loaded with a real bullet, he had another duty to 'refrain from pointing it at anyone'.

In a bombshell line, the lawsuit also revealed that the scene Baldwin was doing did not call for him to pull the trigger. The script supposedly directed the actor to draw the gun and point it in the general direction of the camera.

However, 'the scene did not call for Defendant Baldwin to shoot the Colt Revolver,' the document stated.

Besides his alleged negligence as an actor Svetnoy also pointed to the 63-year-old's negligence as a producer of the movie.

He wrote: 'They attempted to save money by hiring an insufficient number of crew members to safely handle the props and firearms.'

According to TMZ the suit went on to claim that there were other failings on set, including violating 'industry norms, declining requests for weapons training days, failing to allow proper time to allow for gunfire, failing to send out safety bulletins and spreading the staff too thin'.

Svetnoy, who asked for damages and a jury trial, also called the target practice that took place before the fatal accident 'outrageous'.

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Regarding the casual target shooting using the prop revolvers. Her father is Thell Reed. While he is a well respected Hollywood Armorer, he is also legendarily known as perhaps Hollywood’s greatest Quick draw and Trick Shooter for the second half of the 20th Century. Fancy 6 shooter gunplay was his specialty. Now with that in mind, who do you think was likely involved in the “plinking”? Showing how good she was at Daddy’s tricks. How else would prop guns be used for target practice, unless the Armorer knew?

I don't care who her daddy is. I don't care if she was a world-class quick draw shooter herself. Those weapons being used for filming should have never had live ammunition loaded in them at any time. They should have been bought expressly for professional filming use and loaded exclusively with movie blanks and dummy rounds. The moment she allowed live ammunition to be fired from those weapons then they should have been removed from the set and replacements purchased. That's how real professional movie armorers operate specifically to eliminate this kind of tragedy from happening.
 
Rust armorer was ‘framed’: defense lawyer Jason Bowles speaks.


An attorney for the armorer on the set of “Rust” said that his client is being “framed” for the tragic death that occurred when Alec Baldwin shot the film’s cinematographer.

The lawyer for Hannah Gutierrez-Reed insisted on Wednesday that “sabotage” and a “tampered” crime scene were evidence of the frame job for the shooting last month on the New Mexico film set.

The statement came a day after Gutierrez-Reed met with Santa Fe County Deputy Sheriffs about the double shooting. The cinematographer, Halyna Hutchins, was killed and director Joel Souza injured when Baldwin fired a “hot” prop gun that was supposed to be loaded with blanks.

“We are asking for a full and complete investigation of all of the facts, including the live rounds themselves, how they ended up in the ‘dummies’ box, and who put them in there,” attorney Jason Bowles said.

Hannah Gutierrez-Reed's attorney claims the Rust armorer was framed.

Hannah Gutierrez-Reed’s attorney claims the “Rust” armorer was framed.TikTok
The lawyer said his client shared new “critical” information with local sheriffs as they await findings from the FBI and prosecutors.

“We are convinced that this was sabotage and Hannah is being framed. We believe that the scene was tampered with as well before the police arrived,” Bowles said, without providing any details to back up his claim.

Bowels had previously tied his theory to worker discontent on the set of the Western picture, as camera crew members organized a walkout to protest poor working conditions hours before the accident.

“I believe that somebody who would do that would want to sabotage the set, want to prove a point, want to say that they’re disgruntled, they’re unhappy,” he told NBC’s “Today” show last week.

District Attorney Mary Carmack-Altwies appeared on ABC’s “Good Morning America” Wednesday and said that investigators had no idea how the live rounds ended up on set, and an investigation could take months. She also discredited Bowel’s claim of sabotage.

The Santa Fe County Sheriff's deputy unit  at the set of Rust after Alec Baldwin accidentally shot two people on October 22, 2021.

The Santa Fe County Sheriff’s deputy unit at the set of “Rust” after Alec Baldwin accidentally shot two people on October 22, 2021. Roberto E. Rosales/Albuquerque Journal via ZUMA Press Wire
“I know that some defense attorneys have come up with conspiracy theories and have used the word sabotage. We do not have any proof,” Carmack-Altwies said.

Jason Bowles claimed that his client was sabotaged ahead of the shooting that killed Halyna Hutchins.

Jason Bowles claimed that his client was sabotaged ahead of the shooting that killed Halyna Hutchins.Instagram
“How they [the live rounds] got there, I think will be one of the most important factors going into a charging decision,” she said.

Gutierrez-Reed, 24, previously said in a statement released through her lawyer that she was “incredibly safety conscious and took her job very seriously.”

Charges had yet to be filed in connection with the double shooting, but a lawsuit was filed Wednesday against nearly two dozen defendants, including Gutierrez-Reed and Baldwin.

Serge Svetnoy, head of lighting on the ill-fated film, alleged that negligence caused him “severe emotional distress” after he held the head of his dying close friend Hutchins.

“They should never, ever, have had live rounds on this set,” Svetnoy’s attorney Gary Dordick said.
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Okay, this defense is janky because even if live rounds were placed in with the dummies or blanks, as has been mentioned many times already: live rounds, blanks and dummies are all visually distinct.
The weapon should have been cross checked each time it changed hands. And it should have been confirmed empty visually before it even got handed to Baldwin.
I really don’t think the sabotage defense is going to work.
 
It sounds like Gutierrez's lawyer is going to throw Halls under the bus, along with anyone else downstream that they can link to the target-shooting earlier. And while they won't be able to show malice, they can easily prove he fucked with evidence; that guy is fucked on so many levels.
 

Film Armorers Have Almost No Regulation. The ‘Rust’ Tragedy Could Change That​

To handle pyrotechnics on a movie set in California, you need a license, which requires five letters of recommendation, two years of apprenticeship, and passing a written test.

But to be an armorer, all you need is a background check. And in other states, you don’t even need that.

“There’s no actual rules,” said Joe Martinez, who works as an armorer in Hollywood. “There isn’t any official anything.”

The “Rust” tragedy, in which cinematographer Halyna Hutchins was killed by a live round in New Mexico, has prompted calls for industrywide reform. Some, including a California state senator, have advocated banning “real” guns — that is, guns capable of firing a live round — from sets entirely.

But others in the industry have suggested that would be impractical, and pointed instead to imposing some credentials to work as a film armorer.


“I do agree with permitting,” said Scott Rasmussen, a film armorer based in Albuquerque. “I think we should have a course to put people through, so they do know how to handle firearms.”

Given the scale of the tragedy, some kind of new regulatory scheme feels almost inevitable. New Mexico Gov. Michelle Lujan Grisham called this week for the film industry to adopt “comprehensive new safety protocols to ensure this kind of incident never, ever happens again.”

“If that sort of comprehensive new approach does not materialize,” she said, “the state of New Mexico will take immediate action, throughout whatever means are available to us, to ensure the safety of all personnel on all film and television sets here in our state.”

Hollywood has proved adept at regulating itself before government gets the chance. In 1983, following the deaths of actor Vic Morrow and two child actors on the set of “Twilight Zone: The Movie,” a joint labor-management committee adopted a slew of “safety bulletins” to prevent future tragedies. There are now 44 of them, covering everything from firearms on set to the use of hot air balloons and venomous reptiles.

Several armorers have made the point that if protocols are not followed, as they appear to have not been on the set of “Rust,” adding more rules will not make much difference.

“The guidelines have kept the industry very safe,” said Larry Zanoff, an armorer at Independent Studio Services in Los Angeles. “When you have professional people doing a professional job, these kinds of things should not happen.”

But when it comes to the qualifications to become a professional armorer, there aren’t many rules to break.

The armorer on “Rust,” Hannah Gutierrez Reed, is 24 years old, and was working as a film armorer for just the second time.

If she were working on a union project in California, she would have to be a member of Local 44 of the International Alliance of Theatrical Stage Employees, and she would have to take a gun safety class through that union. A similar rule applies in IATSE Local 52, the local that represents prop workers in the New York area. According to people who have taken the class, it is fairly rudimentary, and there is no requirement for continuing education.

IATSE Local 480, which covers New Mexico, does not require a gun safety class, according to workers familiar with the union, who added that Gutierrez Reed was also not a member of that union. Local 480 did not respond to multiple requests for comment, and her attorneys also declined to comment.

In California, she would also need an entertainment firearms permit. But that permit, which is issued by the state attorney general’s office, requires nothing more than a fingerprint-based background check, proving that the applicant is not a felon. The permit exempts entertainment armorers from certain gun control laws — like a 10-day waiting period and a limit on purchases — but does not require proof of competency with firearms.

In other states, including New Mexico, no such permit is required.

Armorers occupy a relatively small niche of the industry, and tend to build their careers through informal apprenticeships and word of mouth.

Often, a propmaster will also take on the job of armorer on set. Rasmussen was offered both jobs on the set of “Rust,” but turned it down, telling the production that it would entail too much responsibility for one person. He offered to serve solely as the armorer, but the production never got back to him.

Rasmussen argued that the job should be separated from the props department, and become its own licensed classification.

“Everybody who would be a weapons handler would have to demonstrate their knowledge of firearms,” he said. “Where they’re lacking, we would train them. And then you get your permit or your license to be a weapons handler.”

Some believe that a national standard would be better than trying to address the issue state-by-state. Such a standard would have to come from the industry itself, rather than the government.

“I think that improvement in a national training standard is probably to everybody’s benefit,” Zanoff said, “so no matter what set you’re on, the procedures are all the same.”

Two days after the “Rust” shooting, California State Sen. Dave Cortese proposed a ban the use of live ammunition, or guns that can fire live ammunition, on set. New York State Sen. Kevin Thomas followed with a bill to ban the use of live ammunition on sets — which is an extreme rarity — while also mandating gun safety training for everyone employed at a film studio.

Cortese has yet to introduce his legislation, and is not likely to until the next legislative session begins in January. In an interview, Cortese said he is still gathering input from IATSE officials on the best way forward.

“I want to hear from the armorers,” Cortese said. “Until we get their input, and feel like we have understood fully how they would go about this, we’re not going to finish writing this bill.”

Some are not waiting for a new law. The executive producer of ABC’s “The Rookie” has already announced that the show will no longer use guns that can fire live rounds, opting instead for prop guns that can be enhanced with post-production effects. On Wednesday, Dwayne Johnson announced that projects from his Seven Bucks Productions will no longer use real guns. But some argue that such prop guns are not realistic enough, especially for close-ups, or that the non-firing replicas do not come in enough models.

“There’s always going to be this temptation to use what is readily available in the U.S., which is real firearms,” said Kevin Inouye, a fight choreographer and the author of “The Theatrical Firearms Handbook.” “The economic fact is, right now, real guns are cheaper and are made a lot better than a lot of the non-guns that Hollywood uses.”

Others argue that the fundamental problem is that crews are stretched thin due to the intense demand for content, which can lead productions to cut corners.

“We have a bit of a problem with producers who put more emphasis on their product than their crew,” said Amos Carver, a stunt coordinator based in Tucson, Ariz. “If they would care more about the people than the project, then all of a sudden some pretty basic things come into focus.”

‘Rust’ Camera Assistant on Safety Issues, Pay Irregularities and Producer Behavior on “Brutal” Set​

Lane Luper, the A-camera first assistant on Rust, resigned from the production along with six of his colleagues in the camera department over what he described as an unsafe work environment before Alec Baldwin fatally shot director of photography Halyna Hutchins during a rehearsal.

Luper, 33, spoke to The Hollywood Reporter about working conditions on the New Mexico set, pay irregularities, the role that Baldwin and other producers played, and why it’s “irresponsible” to imply that someone deliberately planted the live ammunition that killed Hutchins.

The Santa Fe Sheriff’s Office is still investigating the Oct. 21 shooting. In a statement, Rust‘s producers said, “Mr. Luper’s allegations around budget and safety are patently false, which is not surprising considering his job was to be a camera operator, and he had absolutely nothing to do with it or knowledge of safety protocols or budgets. As we continue to cooperate with all investigations, we are limited in what we can say. However safety is always the number one priority in our films.”

Tell me about what your experience was on the set prior to the day that you walked off.

It was a short shooting schedule, so it was a huge page count on the day. It was always rush rush rush, hurry hurry hurry. There was always an attitude of, “We don’t have enough time to do rehearsals. We don’t have enough time for safety meetings. We don’t have enough time to do a lineup.” Oftentimes, the only time we would get a rehearsal is because Halyna would actually fight with the first assistant director to get a rehearsal. And oftentimes, he would say as soon as she walked away, “You guys don’t need a rehearsal,” and would call rolling anyway.

We would line up shots that didn’t exist. We were guessing what the talent was going to do. I had one conversation with [first AD] Dave Halls, it was the seventh day he was shooting, about needing a rehearsal on the Steadicam shot they were doing. [Editor’s note: Halls’ attorneys have not responded to multiple requests for comment from THR.] It was a one-take shot, and it was this beautiful thing that Halyna was setting up. This gorgeous shot that started on a second story of a saloon, and it came down the stairs, and we would wrap around. We’d introduced this character, and he would stand at a bar, and we were going to do it in one shot. But instead of rehearsing it, they packed the background [actors] into the saloon. … We got one take, and the boom got in the shot, and [director] Joel Souza scrapped the whole shot and broke it up into pieces. It was just always hurry hurry hurry hurry hurry. There was no time to stop and think about what we were doing.





How many pages were you shooting a day?

So it’s a Western. My normal experience with Westerns is we do two and a half to four pages a day. On this, our average page count was anywhere from five and a half to eight. So almost double and triple the work.

There are a lot of producers listed on the film. Who was actually the producer on the ground that was running things?

Ryan Winterstern and Nathan Klingher. They were micromanaging the heck out of the show. Ryan, very particularly, he would have these very energetic conversations, loud conversations, with the first AD.

Baldwin was also a producer on the film, in addition to being the star. Did he do many things as a producer? Was he mostly focused on acting when he was there?

Baldwin wasn’t even there the first week of the show. And when he was there, he was only there for four to five hours a day, doing his role as an actor. I never saw Baldwin in any kind of producer role.

So you guys are working fast and long days. What were the immediate events that led up to you deciding to walk off?

The negligent [gun] discharges on Oct. 16 was a big safety concern that I had brought up with the unit production manager, and it was immediately dismissed. We had a special effects explosion on the third day of filming that went off over the crew. There was really poor weapons handling skills. And yeah, the housing issue was an issue. I had an hour drive every day to [the set] and an hour drive from [the set], plus getting ready in the morning and trying to get to bed at night. I was running on five hours of sleep, six hours of sleep sometimes. I was tired, and it was a punishingly difficult show: eight pages where you have to hand-carry a majority of the film equipment — these cameras are heavy; COVID was a huge issue because they would pack the passenger vans completely full [and] people would have their masks down. And then my crew didn’t receive paychecks. They received a small advance that didn’t include their entire pay. And as a matter of fact, I actually just got a text message today that they’re still missing pay.

What’s the usual process for getting paid, and how was it different on this show?

The union contract stipulates that the week after the show, you have to be paid. And this one, they started by sandbagging people’s start-work and not getting anybody any start-work or then leaving paperwork out or then saying, “Oh, you need to fill out new start-work in order to get paid. Sorry, we lost this. Sorry, we lost your time cards.” So it was a lot of silly excuses for a lot of what happened. And then when they did provide payment, they said that there was a glitch that nobody got paid for that, and, “We’ll try and work it out.” And they came to set with personal checks that didn’t include taxes, union dues, FICA, Medicare. All of that was completely left out, and they were missing a prior week of pay already. Myself, I was missing all of my meal penalties and stuff like that. The checks were always short, and the checks were missing.





What was your experience of working with armorer Hannah Gutierrez Reed?

She just came across as incredibly overworked and inexperienced. She was on her second show. She had a department of three people on a show where everybody had a gun. It’s a Western. It’s a prop-heavy show, and the department was three inexperienced people. It’s fine on a Tier One [low-budget production] to have inexperienced people, but your department heads shouldn’t be, or people handling firearms shouldn’t be. It seemed like she was also under a lot of pressure to rush rush rush rush rush rush rush.

What was your reaction to her attorney implying on the Today show that someone on the set had potentially deliberately placed the live rounds?

The idea of it made me sick because film sets, everybody on a film set becomes pretty close with each other. I considered everybody on that show to be a friend, personally. I thought the fact that they were going on morning television and saying that was irresponsible, slanderous and quite frankly just disgusting. The whole idea of it was just gross.

What ultimately made you decide to leave the shoot?

They were calling a bunch of nonunion kids and other folks to try and come in and replace us as early as day seven on the show. I get a phone call from a friend of mine who’s not in the union, he’s a camera operator. And he said, “Hey, I just got a call because they’re thinking you guys are going to go on strike and they want to replace you.” I was like, “That’s very strange.” Because no, we weren’t going to go on strike. And then we get text messages from other camera assistants who had said, “Hey, they’re looking to replace you guys.”

I approached Nathan Klingher on Sunday [Oct. 17]. I had a conversation with him trying to work stuff out and be like, “Hey, what’s going on? I’m hearing that you guys are trying to replace us.” And then I talked to him about rehearsals and needing to spend time knowing what’s going on because that way, if the crew knows what’s going on, then we only have to do things once. And that could actually save you money because then we could work more informed and quickly and safely. And he said, “You’re right. I’m going to take care of you guys. And I’m going to talk to the rest of the producers and we’ll work this out.” And Nathan went back to Ryan and they formed their little circle with [producer] Anjul [Nigam] and everybody. I get a text message with a screenshot of an email. [Line producer] Gabrielle Pickle started reaching out to more camera assistants and said, “Hey, I’d like to get you on the phone … so we can start talking about your onboarding process.” At that point, I was like, “OK, so taking care of us just means you want to get rid of us.”

On Wednesday, the 20th, we had a brutal day. We were working in a ravine that was about 200 yards off of a dirt road. In between the dirt road and the ravine is nothing but sugar sand and shrubs and stuff like that. It was very difficult to work in. We had to hand-carry all of the camera equipment from the camera truck down to the ravine and then down into the ravine, which is about 12 feet deep. Everything had to be carried into there. And so all of our scenes were in this incredibly difficult working environment. Everybody was exhausted by the end of the day. And Robert, the B camera second AC [assistant camera], he was exhausted and he asked production for a room that night and they just flatly responded with, “I’m sorry, because you’re not working 13-plus hours or live 60 miles away, we won’t provide you with any hotel rooms.” And it became a straw that broke the camel’s back.





I had told Halyna earlier in the week that, “Look, I’m going to leave the show if these things happen.” And she was like, “OK. I understand.” And she actually fought for the crew. She gave up equipment to the producers. She kept trying to do everything she could to cut things back. And instead she was met with getting screamed at by Ryan Winterstern in the AD trailer on that Wednesday, when we tendered our resignation. They would say things to her like, “Oh, it’s taken care of. We’ll take care of the situation.” And then the next day [they would] go back on that.

When you came in on Thursday morning, the day Halyna got shot, you guys were coming to get your gear?

Yeah. We showed up 6:30 in the morning. We opened up the camera truck. All of us started pulling apart the things that we owned, the things that are our personal gear, started removing our equipment from the truck. We started organizing what belonged to the show, what belonged to us.

As we were packing our things, Gabrielle Pickle came to the camera truck. She came straight to me, said to vacate the premises immediately, otherwise she’ll call security. And I said, “As soon as we’re done, we’ll get out of your hair,” kind of thing. We got all of our equipment all wrapped up.

I had a conversation with Halyna in the camera truck, gave her a big hug. She said she felt like she was losing her best friends, and I started singing to her. We chatted for a little bit and then she left to go try and start lining up the rest of the day. We finished packing stuff up and we left right around 7:30. We went and got breakfast as a camera department over at The Pantry in Santa Fe, and then we all went our separate ways. I went home and I took a nap. I’m laying on my couch and all of a sudden my phone just started exploding. I actually rode my skateboard straight to the hospital. And then we heard that [Hutchins] had passed away.

Have you had any communications with the production since it shut down?

None at all. They had a memorial and stuff like that and they left us all out of it.

What’s the feeling among your colleagues who worked on this movie? How are people doing?

Everybody’s going in and out of these cycles of depression. Several of my friends don’t even want to go back to work. Everybody has a level of PTSD from this, especially people that were there. I have a problem right now that I’m trying to work through, which is how do I trust going onto a set and having somebody who’s an armorer who I don’t necessarily know? How do I trust them? How do I trust producers to not make T-shirts to make fun of me?

Tell me about the T-shirts. What was that exactly?

They made T-shirts to make fun of the camera department who were driving from Albuquerque — these T-shirts that the production office themselves ordered that say, “Rust crew, Error 404, Housing Not Found,” which is like an internet joke. Down the sleeve it says, “I’m sorry, Albuquerque is an hour away,” which is a straight dig at me because I had that conversation with Gabrielle Pickle. Yeah. It was tacky. T-shirts mocking people were more expensive than the safe, clean hotel room that I was asking for.


Well, thank you, Lane.

No, thank you. Halyna was something special, and anybody who knew her knew that. Her whole career was ready to be a rocket ship. Her work, it’s just plain good. It was kind of inspiring. She had this nerdy approach to everything, and she loved lenses and she loved all this creative stuff. When I met Halyna and [her husband] Matt and [son] Andros, their apartment had a ton of board games in it. It looked like they loved to play board games and that was just adorable. They were just an adorable family.

Lawyers for ‘Rust’ Armorer Say Gun Was Briefly Unattended Before Shooting​

The lawyers for the armorer on the film “Rust” — who has been under scrutiny since Alec Baldwin fatally shot the movie’s cinematographer with a gun that was not supposed to contain live ammunition — said in interviews on Wednesday that the gun was left unattended on a tray for about two hours on the day of the shooting.
They raised the issue in appearances on television and in an interview with The New York Times in which they suggested that the accessibility of the gun made it possible that it could have been tampered with before the fatal shooting.
But they acknowledged there is no evidence at this point that establishes foul play.
The gun left on the tray had been loaded with six dummy rounds by the armorer, Hannah Gutierrez-Reed, who took the prop ammunition from a box labeled “dummies,” said one of her lawyers, Jason Bowles. Dummy rounds contain no gunpowder and are used to resemble bullets on camera.
At about 11 a.m. on Oct. 21, Ms. Gutierrez-Reed, 24, loaded three firearms that were going to be used later that afternoon during a filming session, including the .45 Long Colt, her other lawyer, Robert Gorence, said. She then left the guns encased in socks to prevent passers-by from handling them and later went on a lunch break, leaving them unattended, he said.

“Was there a duty to safeguard them 24/7?” Mr. Gorence said. “The answer is no, because there were no live rounds.”
Even though the gun was declared “cold,” meaning it was not supposed to contain any live ammunition, a live round was in the revolver that killed the movie’s cinematographer, Halyna Hutchins, and wounded the director, Joel Souza. The key question in the investigation is how it got there.
In interviews on the “Today” show and “Good Morning America” on Wednesday, Mr. Gorence and Mr. Bowles speculated that someone could have put a live round into the box of dummy rounds or in the gun itself while it was unattended, pointing to accounts of disgruntled crew members.

What Happened on the Set of “Rust”​


Ms. Gutierrez-Reed’s lawyers’s account of the unattended guns appears to conflict with an affidavit released by the Santa Fe County sheriff’s office. While the armorer’s account, according to her lawyers, is that the gun was left unattended up to the point when it came into use on the set, the affidavit, which says it is based on interviews with Ms. Gutierrez-Reed and others, says that as the crew broke for lunch, the firearms were secured inside a safe on a “prop truck.”
The affidavit cites Mr. Gutierrez-Reed as telling investigators she took the gun from the safe when she returned from lunch. But her lawyers on Wednesday said they needed to hear Ms. Gutierrez-Reed’s interview with the detective to try to explain that discrepancy.

Mr. Bowles said that when Ms. Gutierrez-Reed returned from lunch, the film’s first assistant director, Dave Halls, asked for the firearm; Ms. Gutierrez-Reed then spun the gun’s cylinder and showed him all six rounds inside — which she believed to all be dummies. Mr. Halls then entered the set, a wooden church, while Ms. Gutierrez-Reed remained outside because there were not supposed to be any gun discharges happening inside that she needed to be present for, the lawyer said.
“Hannah thinks the gun is secured,” Mr. Bowles said. “So she goes and does her prop duties.”
In addition to working as the film’s armorer, Ms. Gutierrez-Reed was a props assistant, which made it difficult for her to focus fully on her job as armorer, her lawyers have said. She was a nonunion worker and was on the set for about 17 days before the shooting occurred.
Ms. Gutierrez-Reed’s first job as head armorer was on a western called “The Old Way” starring Nicolas Cage, which was filmed this year, fueling concerns from colleagues on both that film and “Rust” who worried she was too inexperienced for the job.
Her lawyers disputed those claims, saying Ms. Gutierrez-Reed trained with her father — the weapons expert Thell Reed — from a young age, and that she would like to continue being an armorer.
“She’s a female, 24 years old in a male dominated profession,” Mr. Gorence said. “She wants to work at what she’s been trained to do.”
 
The constant description of the pistol used by Baldwin as a ‘prop’ (property) is misleading.
Props are part of the set- if it had been sitting on a desk, or in a gun cabinet- used purely for appearance- it’d be a prop.
The minute a firearm is to be handled by an actor it ceases to be a prop and is to be treated as a firearm in all respects.
That article that goes on about how it doesn’t take much to be a ‘prop’ master, and that’s true. But prop masters only handle display weapons, which are deactivated, replicas or similar, and cannot physically fire.

And saying the weapon was unattended is an excuse is also bullshit. Armorers need to make sure that nobody has access to weapons on-set without supervision, under any circumstances. So even if the weapon was left unattended it’s still gross negligence on her part.
 
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It sounds like Gutierrez's lawyer is going to throw Halls under the bus, along with anyone else downstream that they can link to the target-shooting earlier. And while they won't be able to show malice, they can easily prove he fucked with evidence; that guy is fucked on so many levels.
I'll not deny that the guy is fucked, but in the end, she was the armor and ultimately the responsibility for every weapon on that set and everything that happens with them is hers. Its a fundamental part of the job. No matter who she tries to blame, even if she was 100% right and it was some weird conspiracy to frame her for something, such an incident could not and would not have happened if she had been doing her job the way she was required to . If the weapon was left unattended as she claims, its her fuck up and her responsibility. Its literally her job to ensure things like that do not happen. Such claims on her part, if anything, only further show her incompetence and negligence. Not to mention her stupidity for actively pointing them out

She failed to do her job correctly, carried it out in a horrifyingly incompetent manner and a person died as a direct result of it. She doesn't have a leg to stand on as far as arguing otherwise

and then there is the whole tampering with the scene stuff, which she was a part of and is a huge legal no no
 
The lawyer for Hannah Gutierrez-Reed insisted on Wednesday that “sabotage” and a “tampered” crime scene were evidence of the frame job for the shooting last month on the New Mexico film set.
Tampered with like moving and emptying the gun before the cops got there? Oh wait it was his client who did that...

“We are asking for a full and complete investigation of all of the facts, including the live rounds themselves, how they ended up in the ‘dummies’ box, and who put them in there,”
While that might be relevant in charging other people with crimes it does nothing for your client's defense you idiotic shyster.
She's still ultimately responsible for the multiple steps that go into storing, loading and using a weapon on set. Even if someone was trying to sabotage the weapon it was her job to fucking spot it, or at the very least follow the SOP that would have prevented the shooting, sabotage or no sabotage.
 
Tampered with like moving and emptying the gun before the cops got there? Oh wait it was his client who did that...
IIRC Halls picked it up off the bench/pew, opened it, removed the rounds + empty case, and then set it back down, with Gutierrez was standing nearby. I currently can't find any statements that she handled the revolver after it fired.
While that might be relevant in charging other people with crimes it does nothing for your client's defense you idiotic shyster.
She's still ultimately responsible for the multiple steps that go into storing, loading and using a weapon on set. Even if someone was trying to sabotage the weapon it was her job to fucking spot it, or at the very least follow the SOP that would have prevented the shooting, sabotage or no sabotage.
It's literally the only defense she has; though a "decent" lawyer would've just told her to shut up & accept any deals offered by the state or civil courts, then declined the retainer. This one knows he's going to lose, but wants the publicity anyways.
 
even if she was 100% right and it was some weird conspiracy to frame her for something, such an incident could not and would not have happened if she had been doing her job the way she was required to
This.
You can't 'sabotage' a weapon on a properly-run film set.
In the case of 'Rust', what should have happened is:
  • All weapons under lock and key with a register of issue;
  • All ammunition including dummy rounds under lock and key, to be handled only by armorer;
  • Deactivated practice weapon to be issued for scene rehearsals;
  • One scene is rehearsed, armorer is to load the filming pistol with dummies and blanks as needed (two shots means two blanks and four dummies, for instance);
  • Armorer to advance cylinder so that next shot/s will fire blanks as needed, then call "hot gun" (no manual safety means no safety check);
  • Armorer to pass weapon directly to actor;
  • Actor to holster weapon, keeping finger away from trigger, and prepare for scene;
  • Film the scene, taking care to ensure weapon is not pointed at cast or crew when firing;
  • After cut is called, actor to release cylinder in lieu of applying safety;
  • Armorer to immediately take possession of weapon, clear it, declare 'cold gun' and prepare for reloading if scene needs to be filmed again.
Under these circumstances, sabotage would be impossible. This is why you don't cut corners when you're dealing with firearm safety.
Sabotage is impossible on a properly run set, ergo even if it is sabotage, there's no excuse.
 
This just in (and apologies for doublepost):

‘Rust’ script supervisor claims there was no firing of weapons required in script for fatal scene; accuses Baldwin of ’intentionally’ discharging the weapon; hires shark lawyer Gloria Allred to sue Baldwin.
Nice to see someone who really wasn’t personally affected try to flip this for a quick buck.

What‘s also interesting is the claim that no weapon was to be used in this scene, which casts doubt on the ‘accident while rehearsing’ narrative. It could well be that Baldwin was fucking around on his way to finding out. Shades of Jon-Erik Hexum?

If her claim is correct, and there was to be no gunfire in the scene that was being rehearsed, then Baldwin is a little bit more fucked… the plot thickens.
 
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