Amazon's Invincible - thoughts?

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The episodes feel too bloody crowded, nothing has time to breathe.
It's also because of the splitting of the season into two parts. They needed this episode to end with a cliffhanger. The pacing is odd because we are now getting mid-season finales. I could maybe understand this for a 50 episode network series. But eight episodes of what half the time looks like flash cartoon animation?
(how much of the animation budget was saved just by having her walk by doing nothing?),
At some point during the Viltrumite fight they just stopped animating and the fight becomes nothing but still images like a slideshow. I would like to know if the budget of each episode is even $150K when you exclude the voice actors and actresses.
 
On the one hand, they want us to be scared at the fact that Nolan is about to get executed, and the fact that the Viltrumites are coming to Earth, one way or another, and if Mark doesn't conquer the planet first, then Viltrum will do it the hard way, inflicting millions of casualties.

On the other hand, Cecil already knows the sound-based weakness of the average Viltrumite, and he has a robot zombie army that can stand up to Viltrumites and even inflict physical harm to them. Not to mention the fact that these other Viltrumites are not as strong as Nolan or Mark; note that they had to take Nolan down via sneak attack, and Kregg even hurt his hand punching Mark in the face. And Mark was grievously injured fighting the robot zombies back in Season 1.

If you combine these elements together, and I can just imagine a scenario where Mark tells Kregg to stuff his threats up his bum, then when the Viltrumites arrive in force, they're hit with sonic wave attacks that severely weaken them as an army of robot zombie GIs rip them to shreds. Then Mark sends Kregg's head back to Viltrum as payback for his father's death.

So unless Viltrumite ships have an orbital bombardment feature that can allow them to glass the planet a la Mandalore, they're not gonna win if they show up in force. They'll just get torn to shreds by Cecil using their weakness to sound combined with robot zombies that can already give Viltrumites a hard time.
 
On the one hand, they want us to be scared at the fact that Nolan is about to get executed, and the fact that the Viltrumites are coming to Earth, one way or another, and if Mark doesn't conquer the planet first, then Viltrum will do it the hard way, inflicting millions of casualties.
After watching The Boys I find it impossible to believe that Omni Man is killed off anywhere outside of the last one or two episodes of the entire show. He is basically like Homelander. Even appearing in Mortal Kombat together. There is no suspense about Omni Man dying because they will not kill off their most popular character and risk alienating their audience which is ironic considering the main plotline.

We know the Viltrumites will not kill Omni Man. So just get on with the story already.
On the other hand, Cecil already knows the sound-based weakness of the average Viltrumite.
This is yet another thing that Invincible and The Boys have in common. The main super heroes are weak to sound. GenV played up the weakness by having human security guards armed with sonic emitters. Even Homelander seems to have issues with sound overwhelming him. They really are essentially the same story and very derivative.
 
After watching The Boys I find it impossible to believe that Omni Man is killed off anywhere outside of the last one or two episodes of the entire show. He is basically like Homelander. Even appearing in Mortal Kombat together. There is no suspense about Omni Man dying because they will not kill off their most popular character and risk alienating their audience which is ironic considering the main plotline.

We know the Viltrumites will not kill Omni Man. So just get on with the story already.
Obviously. Nolan sells the whole show. If he dies, the show dies with him; it's the Tywin Lannister effect.

This is yet another thing that Invincible and The Boys have in common. The main super heroes are weak to sound. GenV played up the weakness by having human security guards armed with sonic emitters. Even Homelander seems to have issues with sound overwhelming him. They really are essentially the same story and very derivative.
They took the logical conclusion that if Superman expies like Homelander and Omni-Man have super-hearing, that can be used against them. The problem is, why these morons are still treated like hot shit when something as mundane as sound is their kryptonite, I'll never understand. Cecil already saw how sound can debilitate Mark; and he has a robot zombie army capable of hurting Viltrumites. Combine the two, and any Viltrumite invasion ends in total failure with Viltrumite corpses being dissected in a lab somewhere so Cecil can make a brainwashed clone army of them at his beck and call.
 
Is that it?! 4 episodes for 'the mid season?'
Fuck Amazon
Because in the modern era, and for some whatever bullshit reason, big TV/stream corpos are hellbent on splitting a single season to two
 
After watching The Boys I find it impossible to believe that Omni Man is killed off anywhere outside of the last one or two episodes of the entire show. He is basically like Homelander. Even appearing in Mortal Kombat together. There is no suspense about Omni Man dying because they will not kill off their most popular character and risk alienating their audience which is ironic considering the main plotline.

We know the Viltrumites will not kill Omni Man. So just get on with the story already.

This is yet another thing that Invincible and The Boys have in common. The main super heroes are weak to sound. GenV played up the weakness by having human security guards armed with sonic emitters. Even Homelander seems to have issues with sound overwhelming him. They really are essentially the same story and very derivative.
You know, Superman being powerless to kryptonite still makes him a threat because the said kryptonite is a rare material and Lex obtained it against all odds.

Sound? That's basically on any planet with atmosphere. How are Viltrunites a galactic level theat? How has nobody discovered their weakness? 50 of them can level a galaxy but a sound cannon could completely disable them?!

Also it is established in the same episode that viltrumites don't need to breathe, they can stay close to stars, yet that lady gets her throat cut and starts choking to death

This comic has a big problem with power levels...
They took the logical conclusion that if Superman expies like Homelander and Omni-Man have super-hearing, that can be used against them. The problem is, why these morons are still treated like hot shit when something as mundane as sound is their kryptonite, I'll never understand. Cecil already saw how sound can debilitate Mark; and he has a robot zombie army capable of hurting Viltrumites. Combine the two, and any Viltrumite invasion ends in total failure with Viltrumite corpses being dissected in a lab somewhere so Cecil can make a brainwashed clone army of them at his beck and call.
Writers don't understand super hearing. If your body cannot be damaged by a nuke, then your eardrums won't get damaged by a loud bang.

Also is noise canceling not a thing? Flesh can take 10000N force but can't block sound?!
 
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The way the later chapters play out, it just seems to me that Nolan's rampage at the end of Season 1 and him killing the Guardians in the first episode was a big fucking waste of time. Sure, they're iconic events, but they don't really play into the grand scheme of things given that Omni-Man goes back to being full hero status and he even takes his whole damn race with him. So eventually, not only are what's left of the Viltrumites turned into good guys, but Nolan killed the Guardians and all those people for fucking nothing. It doesn't really take that long for Nolan to turn good again, so the callous brutality with which he killed the others makes no fucking sense. At least with Vader, it took his son being slowly roasted by his master after his master abandoned him before he made his move. He was abandoned by the forces of evil, and forced to watch someone he loved suffer a slow death. Meanwhile, all it takes is some Viltrumites attacking him and Nolan turns back into a good guy because there's no going back to the evil team, so he just reverts back to a loving husband and father and drops his Viltrumite upbringing of seeing other people as beneath him.
The big issue with the series is that it centered itself around the reveal of Omni-Man's villainy, which (from what I understand) wasn't the focus of the comic that was just edgier Superhero shit. After the reveal passed the show goes to shit since now there is nothing to center the plot around. No one cares about the other heroes because they weren't the focus of the previous season and were generally bland collection of the writer's fetishes.
 
The big issue with the series is that it centered itself around the reveal of Omni-Man's villainy, which (from what I understand) wasn't the focus of the comic that was just edgier Superhero shit. After the reveal passed the show goes to shit since now there is nothing to center the plot around. No one cares about the other heroes because they weren't the focus of the previous season and were generally bland collection of the writer's fetishes.
That, and Omni-Man just goes back to being a hero. Imagine if Vader slaughters the Jedi in EP3, then in EP4, he's turned against Palpatine, and by the time EP5 rolls around, he's a full-on Jedi again, helping Luke and Yoda against the Sith and the Empire. That is Omni-Man's story arc in a nutshell.

Vader's redemption is at least earned. Omni-Man just goes back to being a good guy the next time we see him after he left Earth.

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Sound? That's basically on any planet with atmosphere. How are Viltrunites a galactic level theat? How has nobody discovered their weakness? 50 of them can level a galaxy but a sound cannon could completely disable them?!
Your average dimwit bounty hunter would've killed more than a dozen of them by stocking up on sonic weapons, which are not that uncommon in sci-fi or capeshit. Hell, in the latter, there's supes with sound-based powers that can give the Viltrumites hell.

Writers don't understand super hearing. If your body cannot be damaged by a nuke, then your eardrums won't get damaged by a loud bang.

Also is noise canceling not a thing? Flesh can take 10000N force but can't block sound?!
I actually am on the middle ground with the idea that super-hearing would make one weak to too much sound, because it's a good idea in concept, but to counter that, I'd have it so that it's an ability that can be activated and de-activated at will; so if they see you using a sonic device, the super-beings with super-hearing would just shut off said super-hearing so their ear drums don't get exploded.

Also, I'm sure a bunch of robots already damaged Omni-Man before. He's not as strong as a Kryptonian under a yellow sun or a Super-Saiyan 3 or something.

Because in the modern era, and for some whatever bullshit reason, big TV/stream corpos are hellbent on splitting a single season to two
They want those plebs to keep signing on. Make sure they don't just discard their Amazon Prime after this year since they need it to learn what happens to Invincible next year.
 
That, and Omni-Man just goes back to being a hero. Imagine if Vader slaughters the Jedi in EP3, then in EP4, he's turned against Palpatine, and by the time EP5 rolls around, he's a full-on Jedi again, helping Luke and Yoda against the Sith and the Empire. That is Omni-Man's story arc in a nutshell.

Vader's redemption is at least earned. Omni-Man just goes back to being a good guy the next time we see him after he left Earth.
I think the show should have just deviated from the comics and made its own thing with focusing on the father son dynamics. Nobody gives a shit about discount pink lantern, small girl that is "actually 40 year old" who turns into mature male rape monster, and self incest asian. It's insane that the few times those shows can improve shit by altering the original material they don't (especially as the internet is littered with spoilers about it anyways).

I actually am on the middle ground with the idea that super-hearing would make one weak to too much sound, because it's a good idea in concept, but to counter that, I'd have it so that it's an ability that can be activated and de-activated at will; so if they see you using a sonic device, the super-beings with super-hearing would just shut off said super-hearing so their ear drums don't get exploded.
It could have been cool if the show had the Vilurmites have zero tolerance for their weakness being found out, basically kill every thing on the planet so the secret won't leak. So even if it's mundane weakness, it will be discounted because obviously someone tried it yet it didn't work out. Anyways I like when shows make the super hearing be more of a mental weakness than a physical one. Like you are bombarded by heinous shit you can't tune off.
 
One thing I noticed in Mark's fight with Viltrumite Azula is that he was sandbagging way too much. As in, too many hits to the gut or the face, not enough hits to try and disable his opponent. You'd think a man who's dedicated to the principle of not killing would know how to disable an enemy who can hit at his own level.

I mean, a seasoned fighter looking to disable something as dangerous as a Viltrumite would've gone for her knees or her elbows. Come on, Mark, break some bones, make her bleed! If you break her arms, she can't punch or stab, and if you break her legs, she can't stand or fight for shit. Hell, pluck out her eyes or her trachea, and you've got a crippled opponent that you can deal with or leave at your leisure.

It's like what Terry Silver said in Karate Kid 3 and Cobra Kai; ''A man can't see, he can't fight. A man can't breathe, he can't fight. A man can't stand, he can't fight.'' If Mark wants to stick to his do-gooder code of not killing, then crippling his enemy should've been paramount. Hell, even the evil Mark Grayson from the other dimension knew it, and he used that against the buzz-cut version of Atom Eve when he paralyzed her.

I think the show should have just deviated from the comics and made its own thing with focusing on the father son dynamics. Nobody gives a shit about discount pink lantern, small girl that is "actually 40 year old" who turns into mature male rape monster, and self incest asian. It's insane that the few times those shows can improve shit by altering the original material they don't (especially as the internet is littered with spoilers about it anyways).
That's the thing; once the Viltrumite shit starts to heat up, everyone else becomes irrelevant. That's why I wanted the OG Guardians to have lived; they're strong enough to still matter once the Viltrumite cock-flexing starts to go full-gear. They almost took down Nolan, whereas the new Guardians are about as useful as a screen door on a submarine against a Viltrumite assault. Kind of like how the other Z fighters in DBZ became rather worthless when the show focused on Super Saiyans.

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It could have been cool if the show had the Vilurmites have zero tolerance for their weakness being found out, basically kill every thing on the planet so the secret won't leak. So even if it's mundane weakness, it will be discounted because obviously someone tried it yet it didn't work out. Anyways I like when shows make the super hearing be more of a mental weakness than a physical one. Like you are bombarded by heinous shit you can't tune off.
I'd say so. Like say, the Viltrumites come to a planet intending to conquer it, but the moment someone uses sonic weapons against them, they pull back to their ships and start glassing the planet to ensure every last SOB on that dirtball dies and takes their knowledge of the Viltrumites' weakness to their glass graves.

And they want to delay seasons as a result
Basically, yes. And so, we have to wait until 2024 to see the conclusion. Is this the end for Omni-Man? Will Mark get to read Nolan's books? Is there something important in those books that Mark needs to know? Will Mark be forced to conquer his own planet for the Viltrumites? What is Thaedus' endgame? What will become of Mark's half-breed brother? Find out in the next exciting episode of Invincible Ball Z! Only on Amazon Prime!
 
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Because in the modern era, and for some whatever bullshit reason, big TV/stream corpos are hellbent on splitting a single season to two
Even gutter-tier Korean animation studios are getting too expensive for suits to pay to animate a proper season of television.
 
Even gutter-tier Korean animation studios are getting too expensive for suits to pay to animate a proper season of television.
Corpos all over are trying to cut their losses while still trying to operate the same way they did ten years ago. It's not sustainable, but it will last long enough to keep the plebs happy for a while.
 
Even gutter-tier Korean animation studios are getting too expensive for suits to pay to animate a proper season of television.
There used to be a time during both the 90s and 2000s (and to a lesser extent early-2010s) were shows (especially animated shows) didn't need to separate a season or be more continuity based
 
That's the thing; once the Viltrumite shit starts to heat up, everyone else becomes irrelevant. That's why I wanted the OG Guardians to have lived; they're strong enough to still matter once the Viltrumite cock-flexing starts to go full-gear. They almost took down Nolan, whereas the new Guardians are about as useful as a screen door on a submarine against a Viltrumite assault. Kind of like how the other Z fighters in DBZ became rather worthless when the show focused on Super Saiyans.
The dad needed to be the final boss rather than a Vegeta style ally after the first fight. Plus from YouTube I saw there will be ridiculous multiverse/dinosaur shit.
At some point during the Viltrumite fight they just stopped animating and the fight becomes nothing but still images like a slideshow. I would like to know if the budget of each episode is even $150K when you exclude the voice actors and actresses.
I looked at a clip of it and it's fucking bad. Two years of animating already established material and it looks worse than a cheap anime.
 
The dad needed to be the final boss rather than a Vegeta style ally after the first fight. Plus from YouTube I saw there will be ridiculous multiverse/dinosaur shit.
Of course there's multiverse shit in it. It's a comic from the 2000s. Multiverse stuff was all the rage back in comic land during the late 90s and early 2000s. Remember this guy?

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DC literally needed a monster to destroy entire universes so they can clear things out and just keep it to one universe.

I looked at a clip of it and it's fucking bad. Two years of animating already established material and it looks worse than a cheap anime.
It basically is the West's answer to anime at this point.

There used to be a time during both the 90s and 2000s (and to a lesser extent early-2010s) were shows (especially animated shows) didn't need to separate a season or be more continuity based
That was also back then when they can produce a whole season's worth of content, which meant at least 20-30 something episodes, not just eight or ten.

Well I will always like the Mauler twins, although the end scene added nothing to the story...
You could have deleted it entirely and nothing would have changed.
 
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