Amazon's Invincible - thoughts?

[LORD IMPERATOR]

After spending 75% of the run time of these 4 episodes on tedious B-plots, something finally happens and now it's already gone again? Can't wait for episode 5 to just be more of the mom, Eve, and Donald doing whatever the fuck and then episode 8 might have 10 minutes of plot progression.

It's the same fucking shit that happened in the Mandalorian. People tune in to see Mando fight epic battles against powerful enemies like Space Gus, they spend most of the season fucking around and Gus only appears at the last two episodes, making them decent standouts in a third season that was mostly filler.

This is the problem with evil superman stories. Omni Man or Homelander can wipe out the world by themselves. So in order to prevent that from happening you need to keep stringing them along with various reasons as to why they are not actually using their power properly. These range from plot twists out of nowhere, tedious and monotonous time wasting subplots, side arcs of unrelated characters that can be called "world building", and finally desperate moments of outright character assassination.

At least with Vegeta and Zod, the heroes just kicked the shit out of them so they stopped trying. Omni-Man could've easily told Cecil that if they don't surrender, Viltrum will kill millions of humans. As for Homelander, he's already winning the political game, so him being a supe is no longer the major threat since while his superpowers can be countered by half a dozen guys taking Temp V, killing him will piss off half of America, so he's more of a political threat at this point.

Even worse is that in Invincible they don't even bother to explain why Noland is a failure. You just get from Angstrom Levy "In every wold but this one....Invincible sides with Omni Man". So we get the world of the subplots and dumb behavior because it stretches out the story for 200 chapters. The season three ending of The Boys did this as well. With all of the character behaving the exact opposite way that they just were so that Homelander, Butcher, and Soldier Boy can return for another two or three seasons. Instead of using their powers to kill each other which makes the most sense.

The multiverse stuff would've worked if we saw radically different universes with radically different outcomes; like say, one had the humans welcome the Viltrumites as their saviors after their own villains nearly conquer them. Or have another Earth that just descended into barbarism after nuclear war and the Viltrumites taking over actually brought peace and new technology to the war-torn planet. Just having them be 99% similar but just having a few differences is one reason why I was never a fan of comic multiverses in the first place. The story just winds up forgetting those other universes just to focus on one, which makes them superfluous, which is what happens with most comic plotlines that are originally amped up for hype.

 

[demicolon]

Mark gets raped by Anisa Joomla lol.

 

[BiggestKai]

Mark gets raped by Anisa Joomla lol.

Women can't rape men, silly!
There's also one question you're forgetting.

Spoiler

(not my work, it was a Kengan edit)

It happens way, way later in the comic, probably seasons 4-5 material by the rate they're going if ever. Also, the context to that issue is that Mark was having a spat with Eve over something(either an abortion or him disappearing through Yakub's multiverse cancer again) and leaving the house to clear his air, which is when the rapist ambushes him. Most likely knowing Seth Rogen and how women can do no wrong in the show they'll have Mark "actually want it" or some shit and he'll confess to Eve and she'll be mad for a bit, but be the bigger man and forgive him and Anissa.

 

[demicolon]

It was Mark disappearing back in time IIRC that sparked the fallout with Eve.

Wonder if they'd include the part where Mark tells his dad about it and he goes want me to beat her up for you?

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

It never really made any sense to me why one half-Viltrumite rebelling against his idiot father is suddenly treated as a weakness in Viltrum's grip on the galaxy. I mean, sure, maybe you can have the boy plow a hundred of those insects that Nolan was bedding, and you might end up with a Viltrumite army of your own large enough to conquer Viltrum, but that shit would take eons, and if they were gonna do that, Thaedus would've done it eons ago. He didn't.

The whole logistics of the Viltrumites running an empire just isn't well-explained. I mean, there's no shortage of empires in sci-fi that do work out the logistics of running empires in their stories. Maybe if they explained how the Viltrum Empire's grip on the galaxy works, perhaps they can properly justify why one Viltrumite rebelling against the system is a major threat to them. Maybe it's a kind of snowball effect where some Viltrumites with hidden misgivings about their empire's way of life might join in rebelling if they see at least one other Viltrumite stand up to the system and prove it to be vulnerable.

 

[DeadwastePrime]

oh yeah part 2

 

[TheHarbinger]

oh yeah part 2

Not that this show was some cultural juggernaut like Game of Thrones or whatever. But I can't remember a show blowing all of its momentum like this so spectacularly yet so early. The break in the middle of season two has to be one of the dumbest decisions made for a television show.

The whole logistics of the Viltrumites running an empire just isn't well-explained.

None of it makes sense. It's a comic book series for reddit nerds and faggots. You have to turn your brain off for the entire run of the show and comics. It's a perfect example of consumer culture. In that it is mindless trash entertainment yet its fans rabidly scream that it is some type of sophisticated world class art and how dare anyone criticize it and not recognize it as some future classic.

The animation looks like it was done by a middle school drawing class.

 

[DeadwastePrime]

Not that this show was some cultural juggernaut like Game of Thrones or whatever. But I can't remember a show blowing all of its momentum like this so spectacularly yet so early. The break in the middle of season two has to be one of the dumbest decisions made for a television show.

could be worse. it isnt stone ocean

 

[TenMilesWide]

It never really made any sense to me why one half-Viltrumite rebelling against his idiot father is suddenly treated as a weakness in Viltrum's grip on the galaxy. I mean, sure, maybe you can have the boy plow a hundred of those insects that Nolan was bedding, and you might end up with a Viltrumite army of your own large enough to conquer Viltrum, but that shit would take eons, and if they were gonna do that, Thaedus would've done it eons ago. He didn't.

The whole logistics of the Viltrumites running an empire just isn't well-explained. I mean, there's no shortage of empires in sci-fi that do work out the logistics of running empires in their stories. Maybe if they explained how the Viltrum Empire's grip on the galaxy works, perhaps they can properly justify why one Viltrumite rebelling against the system is a major threat to them. Maybe it's a kind of snowball effect where some Viltrumites with hidden misgivings about their empire's way of life might join in rebelling if they see at least one other Viltrumite stand up to the system and prove it to be vulnerable.

It's been a while since I read the comic but isn't Viltrum basically like saiyans on crack or mirror universe kryptonians?
There's no logistics to speak of, they don't take slaves or leave surivors, they drop on some rock and wipe everything out to turn it into a new rumble pit where they can fight each other to the death to prove their strength. So retarded are they that their first thinker saw all that and fucked off to some other corner of the galaxy to hang out with the civilized races, probably didn't procreate for fear that his kids would come out Viltrumite.

The only reason I can figure that one half-Viltrumite rebelling against his idiot father is a weakness in Viltrum's grip on the galaxy, is that it indicates that half-Viltrumite children won't inherently subscribe to the retarded power culture that is Viltrum's only defining feature, meaning any repopulation plan won't actually revive the glory of the old empire in the way those remnants would want.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

Not that this show was some cultural juggernaut like Game of Thrones or whatever. But I can't remember a show blowing all of its momentum like this so spectacularly yet so early. The break in the middle of season two has to be one of the dumbest decisions made for a television show.

Because Robert Kirkman thinks people would need time to process what happened in 4 episodes. I honestly think Robert Kirkman is a weight holding his show down.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

None of it makes sense. It's a comic book series for reddit nerds and faggots. You have to turn your brain off for the entire run of the show and comics. It's a perfect example of consumer culture. In that it is mindless trash entertainment yet its fans rabidly scream that it is some type of sophisticated world class art and how dare anyone criticize it and not recognize it as some future classic.

It makes sense viewing things from that context. I mean, at that point, there should've been more than a few rogue Viltrumites joining the alliance of free planets or whatever the fuck they call themselves. Maybe some Viltrumites who didn't want to join in the Great Purge and got off the planet while their mates were doing the stupid Hunger Games shit where they killed each other and only the best remained. At most, it feels like a mid-level anime without the tits and ass jokes.

It's been a while since I read the comic but isn't Viltrum basically like saiyans on crack or mirror universe kryptonians?

At least most of the Kryptonians died before they could figure out they had powers, while the Saiyans just had jobs as auxiliaries in the Freeza Force. Viltrumites are supposed to be ruling an Empire, yet we don't see the trappings of said Empire anywhere in the show. No planets shown under their control, no scenes of them putting down riots, hell, if the Empire is so big, one rogue Viltrumite wouldn't matter, and there'd be tons of rogue Viltrumites who lost and had to hide when the government came after them. Hell, in the Star Wars Old Republic era, there were more than a few renegade Sith and Imperials who tried to join the Republic, one Sith even became the apprentice of the Jedi Council member who defeated him in combat. You'd think there'd be a Viltrumite resistance against Thragg run by Thaedus.

There's no logistics to speak of, they don't take slaves or leave surivors, they drop on some rock and wipe everything out to turn it into a new rumble pit where they can fight each other to the death to prove their strength.

Then that isn't an empire. That's just a bandit tribe of supermen. An empire is something akin to a super-kingdom where you have kings and tribes all bowing down to an Emperor. It would be more fitting if they had client races that bowed to the Viltrumites and retained a sort of autonomy and protection in exchange for tribute. But I suppose that would make the Viltrumites seem too kind, so they didn't go that route, even though that is historically how many empires did things.

So retarded are they that their first thinker saw all that and fucked off to some other corner of the galaxy to hang out with the civilized races, probably didn't procreate for fear that his kids would come out Viltrumite.

You'd think the fucker would procreate with races that look like him the most and create a Viltrumite army to counter the Viltrumite government. If the Viltrumites are so few in number that just one going rogue is enough to be a game-changer, then Thaedus should've gotten to work breeding an army of his own, or cloning an army of his own, to counter Thragg and the Viltrum Empire.

 

[TenMilesWide]

Then that isn't an empire. That's just a bandit tribe of supermen.

Yeah that's kinda my point. They're physically supreme but (apparently, until nolan's kids) mentally hardwired for the most dysgenic of backstabbing, they or others call it an empire basically because that's normally the sort of entity that goes around conquering planets on this scale but the actual structure is as close to pure anarchy as they come, only able to reach the stars by chance of biology.

You'd think there'd be a Viltrumite resistance against Thragg run by Thaedus.

You'd think the fucker would procreate with races that look like him the most and create a Viltrumite army to counter the Viltrumite government.

Direct resistance against Thragg, cutting off the snake's head so to speak, necessitates that one become the snake's new head. Thaedus doesn't want to rule Viltrum, he's convinced it's a bad meme and they all need to die (himself included but he'll wait out the clock on that one, coward). Any Viltrumite or half-Viltrumite army he might raise would then need to be dismantled or else become a new existential threat should the enemy Viltrumites ever be defeated.

The virus plan he ended up going with not only killed all (save a handful) of the Viltrumites without bringing them within striking distance of his new galactic federation, it played their backstabbing and tests of strength against them in their weakened state. The irony component is important, an army wouldn't be so poetic.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Yeah that's kinda my point. They're physically supreme but (apparently, until nolan's kids) mentally hardwired for the most dysgenic of backstabbing, they or others call it an empire basically because that's normally the sort of entity that goes around conquering planets on this scale but the actual structure is as close to pure anarchy as they come, only able to reach the stars by chance of biology.

My point exactly, when I called them a bunch of bandit supermen. Empires lay down laws, create bureaucracies, maintain standing armies to protect things like trade routes, they don't just run around town smashing everything. It's a kid's concept of an Empire. Fucking TIE Fighter is more mature, since it shows the Empire doing things like fighting pirates, negotiating peace deals between warring factions, and improving upon technology that already existed, as well as rewarding those who fought for them in an exemplary manner.

Direct resistance against Thragg, cutting off the snake's head so to speak, necessitates that one become the snake's new head. Thaedus doesn't want to rule Viltrum, he's convinced it's a bad meme and they all need to die (himself included but he'll wait out the clock on that one, coward). Any Viltrumite or half-Viltrumite army he might raise would then need to be dismantled or else become a new existential threat should the enemy Viltrumites ever be defeated.

The virus plan he ended up going with not only killed all (save a handful) of the Viltrumites without bringing them within striking distance of his new galactic federation, it played their backstabbing and tests of strength against them in their weakened state. The irony component is important, an army wouldn't be so poetic.

Thaedus couldn't even conceive of raising a new generation of Viltrumites to be the opposite of what Thragg wants them to be. He's basically a self-hating racist, which makes his view and options limited. At the end of the day, Mark Grayson does what Thaedus should've done and take over the Viltrum Empire and make it a force for good.

 

[TenMilesWide]

Thaedus couldn't even conceive of raising a new generation of Viltrumites to be the opposite of what Thragg wants them to be. He's basically a self-hating racist, which makes his view and options limited. At the end of the day, Mark Grayson does what Thaedus should've done and take over the Viltrum Empire and make it a force for good.

I'm sure Kirkman didn't intend it but yeah that was basically my takeaway from the comic, Thaedus made the first step in realizing how backwards Viltrum culture was, then immediately painted himself into a corner for actual solutions. Too weak to fight directly, too fearful to build that strength. Even after the virus plot he doesn't try to wipe up the remnants until some unplanned half-Viltrum soldiers present themselves to him in Mark and Oli, he was basically content with "well there's a lot less of them now so they're less likely to find us. That means we're safe, right?"
Council's still kinda cagey on the Viltrumite question even after Mark takes over.

He and Thragg are both bad examples for us to contrast Mark's leadership against in the epilogue.

 

[starborn427614]

could be worse. it isnt stone ocean

I don't think Part 6 is the best Jojo part, but it deserved a lot better than what it got. Thankfully those last few episodes were pretty well done.

 

[Calandrino]

If there's no gag where Seance Dog turns out to be real in an alternate universe, it's a huge miss imo

 

[TheAmbiguousLurker]

Damn, this show's visuals do not do Anissa any favours. Then again, it doesn't do most of the characters any favours, btu she looks especially... I don't know 'flat'? The 'Mark is a lucky bastard' crowd is gonna be disappointed.

And hey, they do remember the Cecil has shit to use against the Vultrimites, but they're not ready yet.

Also, finally the relationship bullshit with Amber is over.

 

[God of Nothing]

Damn, this show's visuals do not do Anissa any favours. Then again, it doesn't do most of the characters any favours, btu she looks especially... I don't know 'flat'? The 'Mark is a lucky bastard' crowd is gonna be disappointed.

And hey, they do remember the Cecil has shit to use against the Vultrimites, but they're not ready yet.

Also, finally the relationship bullshit with Amber is over.

like they could have conventional beauty in a modern show

 

[Trollblade69]

Ugh, this show's so cheap, only caring about its bloodbaths. It's not even animation quality, voice acting quality is also pretty phoned-in.

At least now /co/ will stop caring about this show knowing that Anissa's debut was so underwhelming? Oh who am I kidding 4chan is so horny they now have regular threads fapping to the stick figures in CGP Grey videos.

 

[TheHarbinger]

Ugh, this show's so cheap, only caring about its bloodbaths.

This season is especially cheap though. The animation quality is the worst I've ever seen for a 'major' show. Spawn from HBO which was 1997 looks (and sounds) infinitely better in every single way. But they had some breaking the fourth wall moment for reddit and twitter to cheer over. Where the characters talk about how you can save money by animating scenes as cheaply as possible. Wow so clever.

They aren't even animating the fight scenes anymore. It's like a fan made flash animation of a comic panel. But from a trillion dollar company.

It's not even animation quality, voice acting quality is also pretty phoned-in.

It's like they did one take for everything. The actresses who plays Anissa played Butcher's wife in The Boys and did a good job. Here she's monotone and awful. It's like they didn't even explain to her what her character is and she's just reading the lines in rehearsal and the microphone picks up her practicing and all of the sudden someone yells "cut...we got the take we need" and they just move on.