Amazon's Invincible - thoughts?

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Anissa intro today, she did not disappoint. Discourse around this character is so unbelievably annoying. It's always "You show watchers have no idea what's coming *wink, wink, nudge*"

Yeah, we know what happens. It's all over YouTube, you fuckers can't stop yourselves from spoiling it. At this point, when the actual scene happens I think most people will jsut react with exasperation instead of shock since it's going to be old news.

Also, the animation "gag" bugged the fuck out of me because you assholes have never had good animation. You blew all your money on a celebrity cast and advertising. Imagine getting a mid season break after a 4 year hiatus and still trying to make it soun like your overworked.
 
Also, the animation "gag" bugged the fuck out of me because you assholes have never had good animation. You blew all your money on a celebrity cast and advertising. Imagine getting a mid season break after a 4 year hiatus and still trying to make it soun like your overworked.
its a joke in the comics too but its about comics and reusing panels to save time
 
It's been a while since I read the comic but isn't Viltrum basically like saiyans on crack or mirror universe kryptonians?
There's no logistics to speak of, they don't take slaves or leave surivors, they drop on some rock and wipe everything out to turn it into a new rumble pit where they can fight each other to the death to prove their strength. So retarded are they that their first thinker saw all that and fucked off to some other corner of the galaxy to hang out with the civilized races, probably didn't procreate for fear that his kids would come out Viltrumite.

The only reason I can figure that one half-Viltrumite rebelling against his idiot father is a weakness in Viltrum's grip on the galaxy, is that it indicates that half-Viltrumite children won't inherently subscribe to the retarded power culture that is Viltrum's only defining feature, meaning any repopulation plan won't actually revive the glory of the old empire in the way those remnants would want.
Long ass post here, so I'm going to spoil it. The first part is what I remember from the comics, but once I get to the part about Thaedus it delves into my own speculation based on what I know about the character.

Actually, they do leave survivors. The Viltrumites conquer your planet and reduce your people to slaves who serve the Empire and hand over their resources.
They are kind of like the Saiyans in that they send a single warrior to your planet, but instead of wiping out everybody he's supposed to undermine that planet's capability to defend itself. They pose as heroes, defending that planet against things like being hit by meteors or alien invasions to gain the trust of the populace so they don't come under suspicion when the planet's other heroes start popping up dead. At which point more Viltrumites arrive to conquer the planet, but if the planet resists too much they simply wipe them out and import slaves from another planet to serve them there. Their hold on your planet is basically backed up by the fact that you can't do crap to stand up to them and a Damoclean Sword of genocide held above your head should you ever rebel or refuse.

They didn't mass murder each other to prove their strength, but as a Darwinian attempt to cull the weak from their species. Likely they were also hoping to weed out any Viltrumites like Thaedus who weren't utter psychopaths or had developed a conscience which of course led to Thaedus deciding to kill Emperor Argall. They basically wanted every single Viltrumite to be like Thragg or Conquest, uncompromising and brutal without any remorse for the horrible shit they do.

As to the logistics, I can't really argue against that. We don't see a heck of a lot of the Viltrumite Empire outside of the Viltrumites themselves. It's never really made clear to what extent they directly control your planet, whether or not they force you to adopt their laws or culture, whether or not they institute eugenics programs to similarly cull the week from your species as they did from their own, if they bother defending your planet if it's threatened or if they leave you to defend yourself because if you can't then you were weak, etc.
And to be fair, this isn't uncommon in media. Look at the original Star Wars trilogy, they never really tell you what being part of the Galactic Empire means for your planet. Do they force you to enact a certain set of laws, or are you allowed to govern yourself so long as you pay tribute to the Empire? It wasn't really necessary for the story being told of a group of scrappy underdog Rebels fighting the big bad Empire.
At the same time, it's kind of annoying because an animated adaptation allows you to expand on or correct flaws that were present in the source material.

As to why Mark not allying himself with the Viltrumites is such a big deal is because almost nobody can stand up to a Viltrumite except another Viltrumite. This means Mark already has the potential to become the Coalition's most powerful weapon against the Empire.

And finally, regarding why Thaedus never bred an army of half-Viltrumite children to take on the Viltrum Empire, there's actually two reasons. One, Thaedus is convinced that his people (or at least enough of them) are irredeemably evil and need to die. Why would he inflict Viltrumite hybrids on the Galaxy that he believes may be no better than the Viltrumites themselves?
And two, until humanity was discovered there wasn't a species that could hybridize with Viltrumites and still produce warriors as powerful as the Viltrumites themselves. Remember that last battle against Thragg, he started using his half insect people kids as weapons, literally smacking Omni Man with them and they were just splattering on him. Even when they turned on him he was just tearing them apart like they were nothing. The only reason Mark turned out so powerful is because how similar humans and Viltrumites are genetically. A half human-half Viltrumite is basically just a Viltrumite.

There's also the possibility that they just view other species with such disdain that they would never willingly screw them and have kids before Nolan banged Debbie and had Mark. We literally do not hear about or see another Viltrumite hybrid until Nolan knocks up bug lady. So it's possible, although really really improbable, that Mark was literally the first Viltrumite hybrid in the history of their empire.
 
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Actually, they do leave survivors. The Viltrumites conquer your planet and reduce your people to slaves who serve the Empire and hand over their resources.

They didn't mass murder each other to prove their strength, but as a Darwinian attempt to cull the weak from their species.
The problem with this is that the weakest Viltrumites would be still be stronger than 99% of anything on Earth including their superheroes. Viltrumites culling their own is suicidal and idiotic and greatly reduces their strength. Even worse is that they kill their own species by the millions or billions but then allow other vastly inferior species to continue to exist when they could just be erased to make a Viltrumite planet instead. Why not just wipe out Earth and repopulate it with pure Viltrumites instead? How do they know which Viltrumites to even kill? If the #1 kills #2 to establish his dominance you've now killed the second most powerful weapon in the universe for zero gain of your species. It's some retarded half baked Spartan analogy written by an imbecile.

It's like if the Reapers in Mass Effect began killing the smaller Reapers instead of focusing on wiping out the galaxy. And they kill off so many Reapers that in the end humanity and the aliens just roll over them and easily win. And at the end everyone says "why were the Reapers so easy to kill?". "Well it turns out that they actually killed each other until there were only a few hundred left because they wanted to see which Reaper was the most powerful". "Wow they were ridiculous dumb". Instead of working as a team to wipe out the universe.

And Viltrumites needing human slave labor is also moronic writing. They can lift cruise ships by themselves. They can fly through the universe unaided and survive near infinite cold and radiation. They need humans for what exactly?
 
"This isn't about being brave or strong, I know i'm those things, this is different." ~Amber, Incarnated Avatar of the spirit of humility.

I don't think there's ever been a more hateable character in any series I've ever watched.
 
After spending 75% of the run time of these 4 episodes on tedious B-plots, something finally happens and now it's already gone again? Can't wait for episode 5 to just be more of the mom, Eve, and Donald doing whatever the fuck and then episode 8 might have 10 minutes of plot progression.
Its very funny to me that I read this comment and thought it was about Part 2 instead of Part 1 before reading the date.
 
The problem with this is that the weakest Viltrumites would be still be stronger than 99% of anything on Earth including their superheroes. Viltrumites culling their own is suicidal and idiotic and greatly reduces their strength. Even worse is that they kill their own species by the millions or billions but then allow other vastly inferior species to continue to exist when they could just be erased to make a Viltrumite planet instead. Why not just wipe out Earth and repopulate it with pure Viltrumites instead? How do they know which Viltrumites to even kill? If the #1 kills #2 to establish his dominance you've now killed the second most powerful weapon in the universe for zero gain of your species. It's some retarded half baked Spartan analogy written by an imbecile.

It's like if the Reapers in Mass Effect began killing the smaller Reapers instead of focusing on wiping out the galaxy. And they kill off so many Reapers that in the end humanity and the aliens just roll over them and easily win. And at the end everyone says "why were the Reapers so easy to kill?". "Well it turns out that they actually killed each other until there were only a few hundred left because they wanted to see which Reaper was the most powerful". "Wow they were ridiculous dumb". Instead of working as a team to wipe out the universe.

And Viltrumites needing human slave labor is also moronic writing. They can lift cruise ships by themselves. They can fly through the universe unaided and survive near infinite cold and radiation. They need humans for what exactly?
To the first point: Suspension of disbelief is a big part of capeshit. I mean, as long as we're nitpicking stupid crap you might as well ask why the Viltrumites look exactly like humans, or why they can produce offspring with insect women when they themselves are mammals, or why those children would have absolutely zero insect features and just look like purple skinned humans, or why all of them have mustaches but not beards (Except Thaedus who had a fake beard but real mustache to hide his Viltrumiteness, which was fucking hilarious.)
They're supposed to be established as evil in the story, so they're shown to be merciless eugenicists willing to kill half of their own population just to make the other half stronger because "Space Nazis Bad!"

As to the second: The inferior races would be mining resources and doing grunt work that the Viltrumites can't be bothered with. Just because you can lift a cruise ship doesn't mean you want to be stuck in a mine for large portions of your day digging up ore. It's kind of like asking why we would own niggers back in the day, because they do the shit work we don't want to do even if we could easily do it ourselves or do it even better.

You're probably putting more thought into this than the people who wrote it. It's a comic book, for fucks sake. This isn't some elaborate complex work where everything needs to abide by logic and rationality. It's a story about evil Superman from a race of evil Kryptonian wannabes who conquer and kill and have to be stopped by our plucky hero. Like, if you're going to anally dissect every piece of media you come across you're probably not going to enjoy any of it because most of it just won't hold up to scrutiny when you give it a moment of thought.
 
After spending 75% of the run time of these 4 episodes on tedious B-plots, something finally happens and now it's already gone again? Can't wait for episode 5 to just be more of the mom, Eve, and Donald doing whatever the fuck and then episode 8 might have 10 minutes of plot progression.
Yeah I haven't read the comics yet but they are handling Angstrom Levy so terribly, it's insane. The guy appears in episode 1 of this season and declares himself Mark's archnemesis. Then he (apparently) spends the next two months hopping between universes in post credit scenes and finally gets to do something in the season finale.

As far as I can tell, Mark doesn't even know who this guy is but we're supposed to be concerned? The main villain gets a few minutes of build up while Debbie gets multiple scenes of being sad like we didn't get it in the first half.
 
To the first point: Suspension of disbelief is a big part of capeshit. I mean, as long as we're nitpicking stupid crap you might as well ask why the Viltrumites look exactly like humans, or why they can produce offspring with insect women when they themselves are mammals
The problem is that Invincible is talked about as the "greatest comic series of all time". But in the end it's just more mediocre capeshit. It's not even nitpicking to point out how colossally stupid it is that Viltrumites literally look exactly like humans and everyone in the universe speaks English. Pretty much any big fantasy franchise like LOTR, Star Wars, ASOIAF, has the other races or groups speak different languages. It's all so uninspired and lazy. It's honestly disgusting that this comic and show are so publicly lauded.
Yeah I haven't read the comics yet but they are handling Angstrom Levy so terribly, it's insane. The guy appears in episode 1 of this season and declares himself Mark's archnemesis. Then he (apparently) spends the next two months hopping between universes in post credit scenes and finally gets to do something in the season finale.
There were rumors going around that Amazon interfered with the second season heavily. Delaying and chopping it up and so on. And even reordering scenes and episodes basically. So the schizophrenic way of telling the story is because it was hacked up around the split season to sell more subscriptions and test out the new ad tier for Prime. And the show looks each episode costs only a few grand so it shouldn't take years to make eight episodes.
As far as I can tell, Mark doesn't even know who this guy is but we're supposed to be concerned? The main villain gets a few minutes of build up while Debbie gets multiple scenes of being sad like we didn't get it in the first half.
The world building in this franchise is ocean wide and puddle deep. A hundred different characters with zero interesting stories compared to Omni Man. Instead of a Viltrum Empire series with wars and battles. We get the fag roommate and best friend. Or Donald being cloned over and over again as a running gag joke. Or scenes with Amber going on a date. Or Debbie doing real estate.
 
Also, the animation "gag" bugged the fuck out of me because you assholes have never had good animation. You blew all your money on a celebrity cast and advertising. Imagine getting a mid season break after a 4 year hiatus and still trying to make it soun like your overworked.
The thing with the mid-season break is just Kirkman being a pretentious retard. Honestly, I won't be surprised that they spent the past few years working on multiple seasons at once since Invincible is a big attraction for Amazon Prime.

Yeah I haven't read the comics yet but they are handling Angstrom Levy so terribly, it's insane. The guy appears in episode 1 of this season and declares himself Mark's archnemesis. Then he (apparently) spends the next two months hopping between universes in post credit scenes and finally gets to do something in the season finale.

As far as I can tell, Mark doesn't even know who this guy is but we're supposed to be concerned? The main villain gets a few minutes of build up while Debbie gets multiple scenes of being sad like we didn't get it in the first half.
Yeah that's my issue too here, though from what I know from a friend whose read the comics, Angstrom probably is going to get the spotlight in Season 3 unless Kirkman cuts his time short.
 
They didn't mass murder each other to prove their strength, but as a Darwinian attempt to cull the weak from their species.
Distinction without difference, policy stands: purge the weak. Fight it out and kill the loser, those who remain are strong.

There's also the possibility that they just view other species with such disdain that they would never willingly screw them and have kids before Nolan banged Debbie and had Mark. We literally do not hear about or see another Viltrumite hybrid until Nolan knocks up bug lady. So it's possible, although really really improbable, that Mark was literally the first Viltrumite hybrid in the history of their empire.
This was stated outright, the Viltrumites initially call Nolan a fag for crossbreeding until they decide Mark is above threshold and it's actually a viable plan. Thragg mocks Nolan for caring while liquefying all those half-breed kids against him, saying "I only fucked those bugs for cannonfodder, they disgust me"

Just because you can lift a cruise ship doesn't mean you want to be stuck in a mine for large portions of your day digging up ore.
It's just weird because their physical supremacy is pretty well shown to mean they don't need anyone else's resources - I don't believe a Viltrumite would need to spend a day in the mines, they can pull up a mountain with their hands and smelt it between their fingers, it'd take a few minutes. - and their disdain for weaker races on-panel is to the point that I do not believe they would suffer these creatures to live off-panel, regardless of potential utility. You could maybe almost make the case for "they hate them so much for their weakness that they force them to strenuous labor (that wouldn't be a moment's struggle for the viltrumite) out of spite" but that doesn't help my suspension of disbelief any, why let these lesser things live and toil while you purge so many viltrumites for that same weakness?
 
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But in the end it's just more mediocre capeshit.
But it has blood and gore and rape? That makes it mature and smart for mature grown up men in their thirties like myself.

The truth is just that the comic and show are pure shock-value schlock that people don't want to admit is shock value schlock because it's not 'good' to like that stuff.

Personally I checked out after season 1, didn't consider the comics much better when I started to read them, and the show is changing things to make it worse rather than better. It's also just shallow gore porn more often than not. There is no reason the lizard league fight had to be SO gratuitous outside of fishing for more shock value.
 
Anissa intro today, she did not disappoint. Discourse around this character is so unbelievably annoying. It's always "You show watchers have no idea what's coming *wink, wink, nudge*"

Yeah, we know what happens. It's all over YouTube, you fuckers can't stop yourselves from spoiling it. At this point, when the actual scene happens I think most people will jsut react with exasperation instead of shock since it's going to be old new
the year of delay fucked everything
and honestly, it's just better to read the comic at this point if the animation is going to be even shitter than its initial artstyle
 
The truth is just that the comic and show are pure shock-value schlock that people don't want to admit is shock value schlock because it's not 'good' to like that stuff.
That's how I've always viewed Invincible. It's schlock, but more often than not it's at least entertaining. It is undoubtedly cheap though.
 
They're supposed to be established as evil in the story, so they're shown to be merciless eugenicists willing to kill half of their own population just to make the other half stronger because "Space Nazis Bad!"
You know for nazis they're the most diverse nazis I've ever seen. From what few scenes we saw of viltrum it looks like downtown portland.
 
And to be fair, this isn't uncommon in media. Look at the original Star Wars trilogy, they never really tell you what being part of the Galactic Empire means for your planet. Do they force you to enact a certain set of laws, or are you allowed to govern yourself so long as you pay tribute to the Empire? It wasn't really necessary for the story being told of a group of scrappy underdog Rebels fighting the big bad Empire.
At the same time, it's kind of annoying because an animated adaptation allows you to expand on or correct flaws that were present in the source material.
I'd argue that Star Wars at least makes sense. The Galactic Empire at the very least takes taxes, is corrupt, and likes to insert its soldiers to rule other planets, they also need resources to build and maintain their massive fuck off army and armadas.

However an empire comprising of a ruling class that is at most 10K people, that seemingly need to only require the same nourishment as a usual American, don't need an empire, and if anything it makes survival of that species far more unlikely.

Like fucking DBZ has better world building for the galactic empire.
 
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