Amazon's Invincible - thoughts?

Gender: Xenomorph said:
There's no other capeshit?

Marvel/DC movies are trash.
The boys are shit after 1 good season.
What else?

At least Invincible is average and gets better.
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Kurt Busiek's Astro City has some of the best non-big 2 supercape stories I've read in years. It also has some moments of postfeminist homoqueer+ poz but it keeps that pretty sparse, doesn't set out to subvert or deconstruct too heavily, and certainly doesn't devolve into a gorefest - it's a pastiche of superhero comics across various eras and it plays that pastiche relatively straight. Hope some studio does a cartoon of it soon.
 
Evil Peter Griffin said:
I just see her as the combination of the Hulk and Captain Marvel. The DC one that yells "Shazam."
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You'll note Billy doesn't get a "romance" and that it's the opposite effect. He's a kid that turns into a superhero/adult. Rather than "she's totally an adult in a child's body man, it's ok"
 
TenMilesWide said:
Kurt Busiek's Astro City has some of the best non-big 2 supercape stories I've read in years. It also has some moments of postfeminist homoqueer+ poz but it keeps that pretty sparse, doesn't set out to subvert or deconstruct too heavily, and certainly doesn't devolve into a gorefest - it's a pastiche of superhero comics across various eras and it plays that pastiche relatively straight. Hope some studio does a cartoon of it soon.
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Yea but I'm talking TV shows.

No normie is gonna hunt some indie capeshit comic in comic shops and (ugh) read...
 
Gender: Xenomorph said:
Yea but I'm talking TV shows.

No normie is gonna hunt some indie capeshit comic in comic shops and (ugh) read...
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Hence the hope that someone makes a cartoon of it. Source material for good capeshit TV/movies is right there, studios just need to stop being retarded about it.
 
Evil Peter Griffin said:
I just see her as the combination of the Hulk and Captain Marvel. The DC one that yells "Shazam."
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If I remember correctly, one of the first thing she talks about are pedos lust after her, making her situation immediately a red flag. If the writer just did her without the creepy sex shit it wouldn't be as jarring. Not that it matters since she's yet another jobber and her mental age never comes into play in dynamics since she's a dumb monster in fights. It would have worked better if she retained her personality and lost memories, which would have made her more tragic.

Also I think in the comics it turns out the monster is male and it impregnates someone. Making it a troon fetish as well.
 
wtfNeedSignUp said:
If I remember correctly, one of the first thing she talks about are pedos lust after her, making her situation immediately a red flag. If the writer just did her without the creepy sex shit it wouldn't be as jarring. Not that it matters since she's yet another jobber and her mental age never comes into play in dynamics since she's a dumb monster in fights. It would have worked better if she retained her personality and lost memories, which would have made her more tragic.

Also I think in the comics it turns out the monster is male and it impregnates someone. Making it a troon fetish as well.
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There's a part in the comics where she hits on Bulletproof constantly and he hates it. Robot had to tell her to stop and she gets mad. Also yes the monster fucks an alien and has a son. Robot finds a connection with her cause they both have fucked up bodies and can't live normal lives.
 
Evil Peter Griffin said:
There's a part in the comics where she hits on Bulletproof constantly and he hates it. Robot had to tell her to stop and she gets mad. Also yes the monster fucks an alien and has a son. Robot finds a connection with her cause they both have fucked up bodies and can't live normal lives.
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Is it at least after a timeskip so she's back to a mature body?
 
wtfNeedSignUp said:
Is it at least after a timeskip so she's back to a mature body?
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No.
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Evil Peter Griffin said:
There's a part in the comics where she hits on Bulletproof constantly and he hates it. Robot had to tell her to stop and she gets mad. Also yes the monster fucks an alien and has a son. Robot finds a connection with her cause they both have fucked up bodies and can't live normal lives.
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Thinking about it, Kirkman sure had a tendency for there to be insect-like humanoid species and strange family dynamics in Invincible.

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MarvinTheParanoidAndroid said:
I recently got into this show but I have so many things to complain about, mostly about the heroes.

Guardians of the Globe:
  • The Immortal: If Warf from Star Trek and Yamcha from DBZ did a fusion dance, you'd get the Immortal. He went from being the third most powerful character to a joke gag character. He exists purely to glaze the villain of the week by getting squished by them. Gets increasingly more pathetic with every fight he's in, does no training to improve his stats like Invincible does, the one time he's given real power he fucks it up by becoming a senile dictator rather than naming a successor or forming a republic, and when he's lucid he's just an obnoxious boomer who makes unwarranted judgement calls on the caliber of other people. He could easily be a decent Captain Marvel style character if he wasn't driven to be pathetic by the writing, nowhere is it ever stated he can't get stronger through training, he just doesn't because. What's worse is he's still stronger than almost everyone else on this list, so he's also a glorified human meat shield to even weaker characters as well as a personal pin cushion to the villain. He is the most important brick in the least important wall.
  • Duplikate: Cannon fodder, the character. Duplikate is a one-man-army with no artillery and no flak armor, not even as good as a Warhammer 40K guardsman. Too stupid to bring a gun or to have any weapons whatsoever. Could be useful in a number of ways, like as a field medic, but that's too smart for the cannon fodder character. Not a very likeable character overall, but I can't name a character flaw I really dislike in particular.
  • Samson: Sorry, what exactly do you do?
  • Shape Smith: Conniving & intentionally useless asshole. The smartest thing he ever did was the most cowardly thing he did, which was to play dead on the ground while an Alt-Universe Invincible tore apart the Guardians. A gag character that could be useful but does nothing.
Teen Team:
  • Rex Splode: We have Gambit at home. Throws quarters instead of playing cards. Built up to be put down. Only character more useless than Duplikate despite having a broken power, which is to turn anything metal into bombs, he would be so broken with a gun. Why doesn't he have a gun? He gets an arm cannon from Robot after having his wrist amputated by a villain, and it's literally more useful than his actual power. He's the only in-canon superhero to kill an Alt-Universe Invincible by his own hand, but only by pulling a Saibaman and blowing up his own skeleton at point blank range, making him officially more effective than the Immortal.
  • Robot: An actually useful character but a huge creep who clones Rex's body to be attractive to a woman with a child body, he then steals Rex's name after he dies, further cementing what a ghoul he is. When I say he's useful, it's only theoretical since his Iron Man drones are made of tissue paper and he doesn't really do anything to make his other team mates more powerful when he absolutely could, he could've given power armor to everyone, especially Duplikate, he could've given guns to Duplikate, he could have a medical drone for field medicine but doesn't. He's hyperintelligent but needed the Maulers' help to make his clone body of Rex instead of doing it himself. He at least gave a device to Monster Girl to stop her time dilation condition from making her younger, but that just further underlines his creepy relationship with her.
  • Bulletproof: The Immortal, but worse. Ironically gets pwned less often than the Immortal, likely only because he can't come back from the dead like Immortal can. Would have died to Alt-Universe Invincible if Rex didn't bail him out. Useless background hero.
  • Monster Girl: A creepy Westernized lolicon character and love interest of sex-pest Robot. Why does this character exist? Putting aside the weird shit, she's a Hulk ripoff that never wins a fight unless it's that one time she pwned Rex Splode.
Independent heros:
  • Atom Eve: A broken character with a stupid hero name. Theoretically the most powerful character and practically the most useless. She's a Full Metal Alchemist character with Green Lantern construct powers that can transmute all matter into whatever she wants at a whim, including thin air, all without any of the costs or handicaps of a FMA or GL character. Her only limit is she can't fuck with living beings, a handicap she can switch off if the situation is dire or emotional enough. She accomplishes basically nothing. When Earth was being invaded by a space alien army, she could have destroyed all their artillery with her FMA powers. Instead she fought them like a shitty Green Lantern character and ended up getting pinned and nearly domed by a Flaxan only for Invincible to bail her out. She could've contributed a lot more to Teen Team than she did, like making rare-earth minerals for Robot to use, armor and weapons for Duplikate and Rex. The show hammers on the drum that her powers are actually dangerous and not useful at all, which it underlines when Eve decides to do something nice for her community and turns a vacant lot into a public park, only for it to collapse in on itself because there was a crumbling tunnel underneath. Theoretically powerful character written to be useless at best and dangerous at worst. A strong example of her theoretical usefulness and practical uselessness is the fight with Conquest. She can't use her powers to fuck with a living person's biology, but Conquest has a bionic arm she could've dismantled with her powers since it's not part of his genuine anatomy, and it would've put him at a severe disadvantage. She could have replaced all the breathable oxygen with a poison like helium to suffocate him to death. But no, instead of being strategic like that, she tries to fight him Green Lantern style by smacking him around with light constructs. Conquest then proceeds to pick her apart like petals on a flower.
  • Invincible: Basically the only character that matters, is the Goku of the Invinciverse. Everybody wait for Invincible to show up, agency is for dead men and gag characters like Immortal. The only character who's allowed to take on challenging villains without getting squished or doing the squishing. Remember what I said about Eve not using her FMA powers to deconstruct Conquest's bionic arm? It's because that would've robbed Invincible of the opportunity to have a really badass moment where he punches through Conquest's bionic arm himself, which is what happens.
A big problem with the series I've noticed that I hate is each fight is always a one-way blood bath. The only exceptions tend to be with characters who dog walk the entire cast anyway like Battle Beast, Omniman or Conquest simply because they're holding back the whole time or they bail due to waning interest. It's like watching DBZ characters walk into the Marvelverse and seeing Nappa stomp Spiderman's brains out. It's a really unentertaining way to write a fight.

I also hate Angstrom Levy and Powerplex, they're both retarded villains. I'll be so happy when Angstrom finally dies on screen.
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Been catching up on the show since i am interested again and man....that Conquest fight. I agree with the last part since like with The Boys eventually you get used to the over the top violence and it doesn't even phase you anymore but watching the heroes get absolutely ragdolled through cities with seemingly no hope in sight until they either fumble a win or some dues ex machinia happens is why i stopped watching it in the first place. Not like the fight itself isn't cool but it's like after a while you just seeing a dog play with a piece of meat.
 
wtfNeedSignUp said:
Also I think in the comics it turns out the monster is male and it impregnates someone. Making it a troon fetish as well.
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I think it's like this...

90s/00s CREATOR: "Ima be edgy and write the most repulsive fucked up shit possible lol"
MODERN PERSON: "Wow, this is literally me and/or my fetish! This old comic book was so progressive and ahead of its time!"
 
Evil Peter Griffin said:
No.
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"Hey, you're not in trouble or anything, but our team members that we're supposed to be risking our lives with are uncomfortable with you flirting with them because you look like you look like you're ready to watch a Pokemon marathon at 10, today."
"Fuck you robot I'm a twenty nine year old woman!"
Why does no "actually 100 years old but look like a kid" character actually act their age and always just come off as a larper?
 
Cave Fisher said:
"Hey, you're not in trouble or anything, but our team members that we're supposed to be risking our lives with are uncomfortable with you flirting with them because you look like you look like you're ready to watch a Pokemon marathon at 10, today."
"Fuck you robot I'm a twenty nine year old woman!"
Why does no "actually 100 years old but look like a kid" character actually act their age and always just come off as a larper?
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I kinda get what they were going for with her. She is incredibly frustrated she cant be an adult. What's funnier is Bulletproof goes after her when she grows up,

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I'm sure Conquest isn't going to hold any grudges when he wakes up- he'll be happy to finally have friends to talk to! :biggrin:
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demicolon said:
Like Cecil did with Conquest? It... didn't work.
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I'm just brainstorming here, we can workshop it. Even the air density thing tripped him up, and he can't see through solid objects, so I think it might've helped more than smacking him with Pink Lantern constructs.

Cecil's containment plan is another thing one could pick apart... he could've chopped all his limbs off or put a bomb in his brain or whatever else. Did he even put a sound doodad in his ear like with Invincible? I honestly thought they decapitated him and put his head on life support at first. Dunno what kind of info he's banking on getting out of him, assuming he would even talk.

Speaking of which: minor plot hole that bugs me is that there's never any explanation of why Cecil couldn't/didn't revive Immortal back in season 1, or why he's able to do it later. Isn't handwaved or acknowledged at all in the comics as far as I remember, and I can't even headcanon a decent explanation. Mark even warns the guys in the future to keep his head separate, which kind of implies it's not that hard.
 
wtfNeedSignUp said:
Also I think in the comics it turns out the monster is male and it impregnates someone. Making it a troon fetish as well.
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The way I remember it:
  • Rex and Monster girl get sucked in the dimension of that one empire that keeps trying to invade earth, the "Earth isn't yours to conquer" one from season 1.
  • Some rebellion happens, time is different in that dimension so they spend quite a while there, effectively taking over the planet and outsing the old "noble" line.
  • I don't recall why monster girl has a falling out with Rex but she does, and she decides to hang around with the nobles
  • eventually "her" monster form falls in love with one of the noblewomen, seggs
  • the eventual spawn becomes the big bad/anti-hero of that storyline, when Rex becomes the biggest bad of the comic the spawn(I think it was a daughter) fights alongside the "good" guys. even though he is completely in the right especially with all the dumb shit Mark pulls later.
 
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