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Over the first half of 2025, the US has cut science as never before. This disaster for American science may be a gift to the rest of the world.
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This "fleet chart" catalogues every NASA science mission across the four main subdivisions — Earth science, heliophysics, planetary science, and astrophysics — that is active as of July 2024. Many more planned, future missions are in various stages of development. As of the middle of 2025, more than one-third of these missions are facing immediate cancellation, including missions that are ready for launch and missions that are currently successfully conducting ongoing science operations.

KEY TAKEAWAYS
  • Throughout the 20th and the first quarter of the 21st centuries, the US became a world leader in science, technology, healthcare, and education by investing in scientific research.
  • In 2025, that is rapidly changing, as unprecedented federal cuts, the defunding and closing of many institutions, and devastatingly reduced budgets present an extinction-level event for American science.
  • Just as the exodus of scientists and scientific projects from Nazi Germany became known as “Hitler’s gift” to the rest of the world, the actions of the US today seem similarly poised to reward the rest of the world. Here’s an insider’s view into what’s happening.
From World War II until 2024, the US stood unchallenged as the scientific leader of the free world. Across practically every discipline — physics, materials science, astronomy, chemistry, biology, medicine, geology, etc. — American scientific missions and initiatives, often in collaboration with European, Canadian, Asian, and many other global partners, brought us new advances and breakthroughs, paving the way for generations of scientists to thrive. In a society that values facts, scientific truths, education, and the public good, this recipe led to multiple generations of continued breakthroughs and advances.

Since late January of this year, however, all of that has rapidly changed. Many of the most valuable scientific organizations in the world, including NOAA, NASA, the NSF, the CDC, the EPA, and the FDA, have experienced a set of unprecedented internal attacks.

  • Funding streams have been terminated.
  • Grants that have been successfully competed for and won have been pulled.
  • Fellowships and scholarships have been revoked.
  • Contracts have been broken.
  • Thousands upon thousands of employees have been terminated, often in defiance of court orders.
And now, at the start of the second half of 2025, a new budget is on the verge of becoming law, which would largely eliminate science as we know it across universities and colleges, research institutes, and national labs. This isn’t a horror story; this is a real-life nightmare for the most educated and skilled American workers of all: scientists.


And yet, even if the worst comes to pass, there’s still a reason to be hopeful. Hitler’s destruction of his nation’s science in 1930s Nazi Germany wound up benefiting the rest of the world through an exodus of scientists that became known as Hitler’s gift. Even if American science becomes gutted to the worst imaginable level, science will still survive and thrive in the rest of the world, and we may be witnessing a pivotal moment that leads to the decline of the US and the rise of other scientific and technological national leaders. Here’s the story from a scientist’s perspective.

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David Hilbert (far right, front row) was one of the most prestigious mathematicians of the 20th century, and led the faculty at Göttingen for many years. The 1933 exodus of Jewish mathematicians was driven by Hitler’s policies, and his statement that, “Our national policies will not be revoked or modified, even for scientists. If [it] means the annihilation of contemporary German science, then we shall do without science…” Hilbert then declared that there was no longer mathematics at Göttingen. Based on publication rates, advances, and breakthroughs made prior to 1933 versus afterward, he was proven quite correct.
In June of 2025, the American Astronomical Society held its annual summer meeting in Anchorage, Alaska. That meeting, one of two annual meetings held by the society, was the very first one held since the 47th President was inaugurated, and the difference between this meeting and all other previous meetings was palpable. Whereas these meetings are normally nearly 100% about astronomy in particular (and science in general), only about a third of people’s attention and conversations were devoted to astronomy. The majority was focused on how to save:

  • the careers of many individuals, especially students and early-career astronomers,
  • many of the missions, both space-based and ground-based, whose funding has either been threatened or cut off,
  • and many of the programs and projects at universities, colleges, and research institutes that rely on grants from the US government.
At the same time, it marked the first and only AAS meeting in recent memory where there were no NASA town halls from any administrator, acting administrator, or deputy director, no NSF town hall, and no update on funding or mission prospects/timelines. At a time when anxiety was at an all-time high, there were no answers or information coming from the people who had it, as they simply weren’t there.

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This animation switches between the planned NASA astrophysics fleet, as originally published by NASA in December of 2016, and the current budget proposal for the 2026 fiscal year for NASA astrophysics. With only a few notable exceptions, the entire portfolio of NASA astrophysics missions is slated to be eliminated.
The biggest question that I was asked at that meeting — one that I was asked dozens of times, independently, from a variety of people and groups — is what they should do. Nothing that people had experienced, or that their mentors or advisors or peers had experienced, had prepared them for this moment. The US science ecosystem has long gone hand in hand with federal funding and relies on federal leadership; American science has become great because we invested in science. When Society leadership was asked similar questions, they responded the way that the leadership from many similar scientific societies (in geology, physics, chemistry, etc.) had traditionally responded: with what I’ll call “Plan A” actions.
“Plan A” involves all of the things that scientific societies have done previously when their fields have been threatened by budget cuts. It includes:

  • calling and writing to your congressional representatives and senators,
  • getting involved in public policy and showing up, in person, to meet with decision-makers,
  • raising public awareness of the issues at stake and attempting to mobilize public sentiment and will,
  • voting and advocating for candidates who promoted pro-science positions,
and, in general, to work within the system. In the past, this has worked: Funding was once threatened for JWST, for example, whereas today it stands as an unparalleled achievement for what science can accomplish when we persevere despite obstacles and difficulties..

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On December 25, 2021, the James Webb Space Telescope launched successfully into orbit from an Ariane 5 rocket. Rocketry has been the only way we’ve ever successfully propelled a spacecraft any substantial distances through space, and we’ve successfully used rockets to break the bonds of Earth’s gravity since the late 1950s. Today’s great scientific and technological advances are enabled by a sustained history of society investing in fundamental science and science education.
But today, the situation is one where even if “Plan A” works as well as one can imagine, there are still going to be devastating, unprecedented cuts, and the ones happening in the field of astronomy and astrophysics aren’t atypical; they’re part of a coordinated assault on the very foundations of a scientific American society. Examples include:

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Unlike ground-based gravitational wave detectors like LIGO, Virgo, and KAGRA, or pulsar timing arrays, space-based gravitational wave detectors will be sensitive to new classes of gravitational wave events, including those involving white dwarfs and supermassive black holes. LISA, the Laser Interferometer Space Antenna, is poised to be humanity’s first successful space-based gravitational wave observatory. If the proposed FY2026 budget is enacted, LISA will not be funded or supported by NASA at all.
This would represent a generational loss of science — a loss of already-invested (and already-paying-off) money and talent, of research that’s already providing incredible value, and of human talent. Young people are getting hit especially hard, as graduate/PhD program admissions are at an all-time low for the 21st century, as NSF and NASA grants and fellowships (as well as entire grant/fellowship programs) have been cut off and/or cancelled, and as postdoctoral and research scientist opportunities and positions have been rescinded amid funding uncertainties. It isn’t just astronomy and physics that are suffering — these cuts are representative of those seen today in practically every field of science: biology, ecology, environmental science, geology, meteorology, medicine, virology, and so on.


Even in one particular sub-field of astronomy — in NASA’s vaunted astrophysics division — there are a bunch of NASA astrophysics missions facing cancellation and defunding. At the moment, solar physicists should be celebrating the unprecedented success of the PUNCH mission, tracking space weather from the Sun’s corona all the way to Earth for the first time, the proposed budget would force them to cease operating the Daniel K. Inouye Solar Telescope (DKIST), the world’s flagship ground-based solar observatory. The world’s greatest X-ray telescope, NASA’s Chandra X-ray Observatory, is slated to be entirely defunded. And the Nancy Grace Roman Telescope, NASA’s next scheduled flagship mission after JWST, is completed and just awaiting launch, and yet the proposed funding allotted to the mission is insufficient to pay for such a launch.

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This illustration compares the relative sizes of the areas of sky covered by two surveys: the upcoming Nancy Roman Telescope’s High Latitude Wide Area Survey, outlined in blue, and the largest mosaic led by Hubble, the Cosmological Evolution Survey (COSMOS), shown in red. In current plans, the Roman survey will be more than 1,000 times broader than Hubble’s, revealing how galaxies cluster across time and space as never before, enabling the tightest constraints on evolving dark energy, and revealing more microlensing events, including possibly extremely close black holes, than ever before.
In perhaps the most eerie parallel yet between the US in 2025 and 1930s-era Germany, the Trump administration has severed the subscriptions of several government agencies to journals owned by Springer Nature, one of the world’s most successful and prestigious scientific publishing groups. At least two agencies, the Department of Energy and the Department of Agriculture, are terminating all such contracts, criticizing their politics as “woke” and “corrupt.” This echoes a ban of that very same publisher, and their flagship journal Nature, from all German libraries beginning in 1937 and lasting through the end of World War II.

And yet, as I wrote here back in April, the benefits of science always come back to the society that invests in conducting it. A mass exodus of scientists from Germany in the 1930s included a tremendous number of now-legendary figures: Albert Einstein, Hans Bethe, Max Born, Eugene Wigner, Hans Krebs, Edward Teller, Erwin Schrödinger, Wilhelm Feldberg, Lilli Hornig, and Dieter Gruen, among many others. When Hitler was advised that his dismissal of many scientists would set physics and astronomy back 100 years in Germany, Hitler responded, “Then we’ll work a hundred years without physics and chemistry.”

But here’s the kicker: physics and chemistry are true and real, whether you’re aware of them or not. That exodus of top-tier scientific talent from Germany has since become known as Hitler’s gift, as countries like the United Kingdom and the United States benefited, and benefited tremendously, from the arrival of scientists who no longer had a home in Germany.

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This 1958 photograph shows six scientists in the United States with a model of the Explorer-1 rocket. At far right, Dr. Ernst Stuhlinger is standing, next to Dr. Werner Von Braun (seated). Together, these two men were among the many former Nazis that were brought to the United States as part of Operation Paperclip: to secure their scientific knowledge and talents.
Many people are anxiously waiting to see what happens to the future of American science. Many questions remain unanswered.

  • Will funding for any of these defunded missions and projects be restored?
  • Will many of the laid-off or defunded workers be rehired?
  • Will court orders declaring numerous terminations in the federal workforce to be illegal be complied with, or will they continue to be defied?
  • And how devastating will the budget that ultimately winds up being enacted for the next fiscal year — which begins not in 2026, but in October of this year — be for American science and American scientists?
While all the “Plan A” solutions mentioned earlier can certainly impact how much of American science survives these assaults on it, nearly everyone recognizes that only a fraction of the science currently taking place in America will be able to be saved through that path. Therefore, it’s also vital that everyone with a stake in the matter – individual scientists as well as managers of scientific projects and missions – come up with and strongly consider a “Plan B” both for themselves and for their science.


What does a “Plan B” look like?

In the most general terms, “Plan B” means looking for opportunities to conduct science and your scientific projects and missions elsewhere: outside of the United States. It looks a lot like “Hitler’s gift” looks, except instead of the US being on the receiving end of this one, it’s the source of the scientific exodus. Many nations have already responded by rising to the challenge.

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Shown here, an astronaut aboard the International Space Station demonstrates the conservation of angular momentum. A consequence of the symmetry of rotational invariance, the astronaut spins faster only because a torque is applied to him from another astronaut’s body. International collaboration has made many scientific endeavors possible that would have been impossible with solely the investment of one nation alone.
It’s vital to remember that science is a global endeavor; what we learn about reality is just as true in any one part of the world as it is for the entire Universe. Scientists have often decried the siloing of science and the imposition of national borders on knowledge, as international collaboration is often key to achieving the greatest, most profound advances. This is not a new sentiment, either; 17th-century scientist Christiaan Huygens, a contemporary of Newton who came up with the (ultimately superior to Newton’s corpuscular conception of light) wave nature of light, once wrote:

“The world is my country, science is my religion,”

in support of the great idea that humanity and human knowledge should strive to transcend national boundaries.

To that end, it isn’t just the displaced individual scientists who might seek to relocate elsewhere to continue their work and contribute to human knowledge; it’s the projects that are at risk of being defunded and canceled. It might seem like a daunting task. Even in just the field of astronomy and astrophysics, how can a whole slew of projects that are about to suddenly be defunded, including

  • already-operating projects,
  • projects that are near completion but haven’t been finished yet,
  • or projects still in the planning/design stages that have already invested substantial resources,
be moved and still maintained? It’s a big, big ask for anyone looking for a “Plan B.”

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NASA’s Nancy Grace Roman telescope has completed construction and is nearly ready for launch. However, unless sufficient funding comes from the US government to launch and operate it, this telescope is in grave danger of never flying. A “Plan B” of gifting it to a country that would use it, even in defiance of national orders, must remain under consideration.
And yet, there’s a tremendous reason to be optimistic: Other nations are aware of the situation in the US and across the world, and they’re stepping up to invest in science. They know what the model for societal success looks like:

  • Invest in hiring scientists and building science facilities.
  • Build and maintain the infrastructure and talent that conducts it.
  • Reap the rewards of economic prosperity, downstream technology development, and hugely positive returns on investment.
It is, after all, how the US became an economic and scientific superpower in the 20th and 21st centuries, and if our nation is going to abandon those principles, other countries will certainly reap those benefits.

It isn’t as though the US is some special nation, or the only place where NASA and NSF projects can be conducted. The Canadian Space Agency, the European Space Agency, and the Japan Aerospace eXploration Agency are just as capable of managing and launching successful missions as NASA is. The European Southern Observatory and the National Astronomical Observatory of Japan can do ground-based astronomy just as successfully as the National Science Foundation. Although Mauna Kea, based on physical characteristics alone, is the best site for astronomy in the Northern Hemisphere, the summit of La Palma in the Canary Islands is more than capable of hosting any cutting-edge optical or infrared observatory, including the long-awaited Thirty Meter Telescope (TMT).

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Since scientific observations began at Gran Telescopio Canarias in 2009, it has been the world’s largest single-aperture optical telescope, surpassing even the Keck telescopes atop Mauna Kea. Atop La Palma at the Roque de los Muchachos Observatory, it will someday be surpassed by 30-meter class telescopes, two (GMT and ELT) of which are currently under construction. It is a nearly ideal location for the TMT: the proposed Thirty Meter Telescope.

The nightmare scenario for science isn’t just that the US stops investing in it; it’s that the world would lose the scientific talent that was working to conduct this science, and the benefits of all the projects that the US is threatening to defund and cancel. But there are options, even in the worst-case scenario of the US completely abandoning science and transforming NASA into a real-life version of Starship Troopers, focused on space colonization and the collection of resources.

  • Telescopes and other scientific projects can be shipped overseas, gifted to other countries and agencies that can make good use of them, saving science for humanity.
  • Operating space telescopes can be transferred over to partner nations, that could then maintain and operate them remotely.
  • And new international partnerships — including, for astronomers, the dream partnership between Europe (and Spain in particular) and Japan — have the potential to create new global powerhouses in science.
There’s still every reason to continue advocating for science in the US; despite the cuts that have already been made, we remain the global leader in science in many ways. But the deep cuts over the past six months have met only the flimsiest of resistance from the nation’s system of checks and balances. If the US doesn’t reverse course, 2025 won’t just mark the end of the era of American exceptionalism in science; it will make “Hitler’s gift” look like a firecracker in comparison to the nuclear bomb that will be the exodus of American science and talent.
 
Are we talking real vaccines like the polio one or ones that don’t protect you and randomly give one in a thousand people a heart attack?
Just the departments that run vaccine development. You have various departments like gen. Med, cardiovascular, vaccines, etc. Vaccines really boomed during the first bit of coof, there was money pouring in. Now they are shedding jobs. There was I think an assumption that the rna stuff would her land a new era and when it became obvious it was toxic as fuck (well MORE obvious because it was obvious at the start but you’d be fired if you pointed it out) then all that dried up.
 
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I know, that was a rhetorical question.

Just the departments that run vaccine development. You have various departments like gen. Med, cardiovascular, vaccines, etc. Vaccines really boomed during the first bit of coof, there was money pouring in. Now they are shedding jobs. There was I think an assumption that the rna stuff would her land a new era and when it became obvious it was toxic as fuck (well MORE obvious because it was obvious at the start but you’d be fired if you pointed it out) then all that dried up.
I figured as much. Turns out a lot of scientists are just as religious as religious people, they just don't believe in God, instead they believe in THE SCIENCE™️. They sure as shit punish people for blasphemy though. I'm an engineer, so I'm scientist-adjacent but am in the business of using knowledge to create something actually useful. One thing that always struck me as odd was how devoted the science people were to gathering knowledge that wasn't usable in a constructive manner. Academic researchers (at least the ones I went to school with) rarely think about how the fruits of their research can be used productively at scale. I used to chalk it up to wanton autism, but once I got into industry I learned it was all a big grift for that sweet sweet government greenback.
 
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The death of science and space exploration drives me to true sadness. I grew up watching cool documentaries and footage of the Apollo program and the space shuttle, then I delved into some of the insanely cool but unfortunately cancelled projects like NERVA and Orion and wondered at the possibilities. Now? I try not to think about it. Just makes me sad. It's over, and shall never return.
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Bart Sibrel got knocked out by a then-72 years old Buzz Aldrin for being an annoying cunt. Your argument is invalid.
It's not invalid. There are multiple points of issue. Just because you are too emotionally attached to your propaganda machine to look at the evidence objectively does not make it invalid. It makes you childish. And people usually get violent when they are embarrassed from their lies being exposed.

FYI: I knew it was fake before Sibel because Tang is not air tight and you do get perspective changes on the moon, but you can get those changes with primitive silkscreen projection. Sibel is just where I got the PDF archive from.
 
I know, that was a rhetorical question.


I figured as much. Turns out a lot of scientists are just as religious as religious people, they just don't believe in God, instead they believe in THE SCIENCE™️. They sure as shit punish people for blasphemy though. I'm an engineer, so I'm scientist-adjacent but am in the business of using knowledge to create something actually useful. One thing that always struck me as odd was how devoted the science people were to gathering knowledge that wasn't usable in a constructive manner. Academic researchers (at least the ones I went to school with) rarely think about how the fruits of their research can be used productively at scale. I used to chalk it up to wanton autism, but once I got into industry I learned it was all a big grift for that sweet sweet government greenback.
I have two degrees in science fields and I agree with your assertation. Scientists (ESPECIALLY biologists) have no idea wtf they are doing 99% of the time. Sure they might know the structure of a cell (hopefully) but they are completely incapable of thinking outside the box. This is encoiluraged by the uni. Professors pick their favorites based on how rigorously they toe the progressive line. Internships and jobs are the same way. Scientists today refuse to question science in any form. It's all sucking off your boss for headpats and a seat at the climate change table.
 
It's based on the mythical idea that the lack of jews prevented Nazi Germany from building an atomic bomb, rather than the fact that they were running out of basic food, steel and coal.
To be fair the Nazis had derided Einstein's work as "Jewish physics" as if mathematical formulas suddenly don't work if a Jew came up with them.
Its based on an even more false idea that the atomic bomb could only be created by genius physicists. The problem of creating a nuclear weapon by the later 1930s was not a physics problem. It was materials science problem of how to create enough nuclear material to reach enough for critical mass where the bomb goes boom.

The US was able to build a nuclear weapon because:

1) It had access to massive supplies of uranium ore
2) It had massive amounts of surplus electricity which could be diverted into the refining of nuclear material.

Nuclear Fission was discovered in Germany in April 1939. It wasn't discovered by emigre scientists in the US.

The german supply of Uranium during the war was around 700kg of "natural" uranium. At best 1% U-235. That means maybe 7kg of U-235 after refining at best. One would need 47 kg of U-235 for a single bomb.

But the myth has always been out there that "smart jews" is the only possible way historically to build a nuclear weapon and that the construction of a nuclear weapon is some sort of secret big brain superscience idea beyond the ability of mortals to understand. It never was. Anyone with access to enough Uranium and enough electricity can build a nuclear weapon. Even dumbass Pakistanis and North Koreans could do it.
Some German chemists discovered it by smacking uranium with some neutrons, and then those two outsourced the hard work of figuring out what had actually happened to Lise Meitner and her nephew Otto Frisch, who at the time were both living in Sweden and not Germany for reasons that I am absolutely certain have nothing to do with their Early Life sections on Wikipedia.
Elise Meitner was born in November 1878 into a Jewish upper-middle-class family
Otto Robert Frisch was born in Vienna in 1904 to a Jewish family
Oh.
 
To be fair the Nazis had derided Einstein's work as "Jewish physics" as if mathematical f
Yeah, but they still agreed with it, and still used it. The Nazis were very much racist and anti-semetic, but they weren't retarded and people can be remarkable hypocritical if it benefits them.
 
I know, that was a rhetorical question.


I figured as much. Turns out a lot of scientists are just as religious as religious people, they just don't believe in God, instead they believe in THE SCIENCE™️. They sure as shit punish people for blasphemy though. I'm an engineer, so I'm scientist-adjacent but am in the business of using knowledge to create something actually useful. One thing that always struck me as odd was how devoted the science people were to gathering knowledge that wasn't usable in a constructive manner. Academic researchers (at least the ones I went to school with) rarely think about how the fruits of their research can be used productively at scale. I used to chalk it up to wanton autism, but once I got into industry I learned it was all a big grift for that sweet sweet government greenback.
The fact they almost spent 8 billion or whatever (in 80's money) to build a supercollider in the US, but eventually pulled the plug as costs ballooned? Is a perfect example.

The science/academia spokespeople said it was an awful mistake, as bad as burning the Library of Alexandria and we'd regret it for years and years and years.... and what good came from the LHC when it did get built? It answered a few questions that were once listed as "unknown" in my physics books in high school, but, that was it. Sure, it's interesting to see new blocks get added to the periodic table, but, the effects of it stayed on the chart on the wall and never moved over to anything else in the room. It certainly never made a superpower out of the Swiss.

Was being able to change "Ununtrium" to "Nihonium" worth the billions it took? Knowledge for knowledge's sake isn't morally wrong, but it becomes so when you decide someone else has the moral imperative to fund your curiosity at their ever declining living standards.

For people who gripe about the folly of humanity and the need to strictly ration our resources away from people like me for "wasting" it on a pickup truck and use them on more "important" things? They have no problem devouring the sustenance of an entire small nation for decades on end for the sake of being able to create something that has no practical value because it literally doesn't last long enough to be picked up.

How many lifetime taxpayer contributions was that? What could've been done with all that cash that would've improved a lot of lives, directly, in my own town? Irrelevant, it was SCIENCE so it was okay!
 
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The fact they almost spent 8 billion or whatever (in 80's money) to build a supercollider in the US, but eventually pulled the plug as costs ballooned? Is a perfect example.

The science/academia spokespeople said it was an awful mistake, as bad as burning the Library of Alexandria and we'd regret it for years and years and years.... and what good came from the LHC? It answered a few questions that were once listed as "unknown" in my physics books in high school, but, that was it. Sure, it's interesting to see new blocks get added to the periodic table, but, the effects of it stayed on the chart on the wall and never moved over to anything else in the room.

Was being able to change "Ununtrium" to "Nihonium" worth the billions it took?

For people who gripe about the folly of humanity and the need to strictly ration our resources away from people like me for "wasting" it on a pickup truck and use them on more "important" things? They have no problem devouring the sustenance of an entire small nation for decades on end for the sake of being able to create something that has no practical value because it literally doesn't last long enough to be picked up? How many meals could that have bought for the hungry? Irrelevant, it was SCIENCE so it was okay!
And now?
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"Just one more collider bro, I swear, that's all I need!"
 
Yeah, but they still agreed with it, and still used it. The Nazis were very much racist and anti-semetic, but they weren't retarded and people can be remarkable hypocritical if it benefits them.

I can't remember which Nazi official said it, but someone high up in their ranks once said "We all have our favorite Jew.", meaning that everyone in the Nazi regime had someone who they were willing to overlook the fact that they were Jewish for one reason or another. Often because the Jew was personally useful to them.
 
A key part of science, is assuming the answer, and then going looking for evidence of it. When the evidence contradicts you, that is simply evidence that you need better tools, which obviously will cost more money; and realistically will take until the end of your scientific career to build. If those tools don't work then oh well, you're already finished in your career so who gives a fuck lmao.
 
No, you seem to misunderstand the order of operations here, the institutions that have been teaching American Scientists has been captured by unironic Marxists for so long that even they forgot why its so important to actually teach people so they can maintain institutional control. This decline in American science has been happening for a long time, and the last 10-15 years has really been the last gasping breath with how many unquestionable paradigms have wormed their way into teachers, textbooks, doctorate boards, ethics boards, administration, etc.

These institutions are dying, have been since the 90's, people have BEEN talking about it for 30 years, but now that the funding cuts are putting pressure on for-profit colleges (there all for-profit these days) and scientific institutions to clean up their act, all the sudden this entire issue is Trump's fault.
They also completely destroyed the pipeline for young scientists, replacing them with midwit foreigners who only care about getting an American visa.
 
For people who gripe about the folly of humanity and the need to strictly ration our resources away from people like me for "wasting" it on a pickup truck and use them on more "important" things?
Wasting? A pickup truck has incredible value, especially if you're a tradesman. It moves people, tools and cargo, from place to place at a rate and quantity that people from 150 years ago would kill for. As opposed to spending the GDP of Monaco on creating a few atoms that decay into more common elements in a couple of picoseconds. Mad scientists have a lot to answer for. But I'd rather my hard earned dollar be confiscated to devote to physics research than providing government subsistence to niggers. At least the mad scientists might discover something good, no matter how unlikely that is.
 
Wasting? A pickup truck has incredible value, especially if you're a tradesman. It moves people, tools and cargo, from place to place at a rate and quantity that people from 150 years ago would kill for. As opposed to spending the GDP of Monaco on creating a few atoms that decay into more common elements in a couple of picoseconds. Mad scientists have a lot to answer for. But I'd rather my hard earned dollar be confiscated to devote to physics research than providing government subsistence to niggers.
I'd rather it not go to either.

Good ideas should attract venture capital naturally. The idea that only well-funded labs with vast public money streams and credentialed leadership can advance society is a falsehood. It only leads to a lifetime of navel-gazing unreproducible garbage science when you never have to justify your costs.

Henry Ford and Alexander Bell built shit in their garages.
 
I'd rather it not go to either.

Good ideas should attract venture capital naturally. The idea that only well-funded labs with vast public money streams and credentialed leadership can advance society is a falsehood. It only leads to a lifetime of navel-gazing unreproducible garbage science when you never have to justify your costs.

Henry Ford and Alexander Bell built shit in their garages.
I agree, I was just saying if the hypothetical dilemma was money must go to science-niggers or actual niggers, I pick science-niggers because there's an off chance for a return on investment, which is probable waste with a small chance to create value, as opposed to paying to make the actual nigger problem even worse, an active destruction of value.
 
Don't get me started on the topic of bloat in scientific publishing. There are WAY too many short, trivial papers documenting meaningless findings. This is bad even in big journals. General interest journals are my bane. 10000+ papers published per year with supposedly high impact but it's from so many unrelated fields of study that you have to just get lucky with search terms to find anything useful.
One of the major requirements to getting a doctorate degree, is getting their doctorate paper published in one of those "journals."
I hate "science."
If you think the "science" is bad, take a look-see to what those in the education field had done. To be published and experimented on millions of unknowing guinea pigs i.a. public education students over the past hundred and forty years. Latest fuckery being Common Core
 
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They know what the model for societal success looks like:

  • Invest in hiring scientists and building science facilities.
  • Build and maintain the infrastructure and talent that conducts it.
  • Reap the rewards of economic prosperity, downstream technology development, and hugely positive returns on investment.
You can build science facilities in Somalia if you want to. Still gonna be Somalia
 
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