Manosphere Amud - The Balloon Loon, Loveshy Extraordinaire

[FatNero]

@Amud Forgive me if you've already gotten this question, I lost patience thirty pages in, but if you have to stick balloons up your nose to fix your skull, wouldn't that be evidence by your own standards that you shouldn't be allowed to reproduce as you'd just be passing on a broken skull to further generations?

Seems to me you're trying to lie to your potential mates about your genetic makeup by masking the bone structure you were born with. That's some sneaky immoral financier stuff right there.

 

[AnimuGinger]

@Amud Forgive me if you've already gotten this question, I lost patience thirty pages in, but if you have to stick balloons up your nose to fix your skull, wouldn't that be evidence by your own standards that you shouldn't be allowed to reproduce as you'd just be passing on a broken skull to further generations?

Seems to me you're trying to lie to your potential mates about your genetic makeup by masking the bone structure you were born with. That's some sneaky immoral financier stuff right there.

It was "environmental factors" that ruined his beautiful bone structure.

 

[Positron]

@Amud Forgive me if you've already gotten this question, I lost patience thirty pages in, but if you have to stick balloons up your nose to fix your skull, wouldn't that be evidence by your own standards that you shouldn't be allowed to reproduce as you'd just be passing on a broken skull to further generations?

Seems to me you're trying to lie to your potential mates about your genetic makeup by masking the bone structure you were born with. That's some sneaky immoral financier stuff right there.

He is from sluthate.com, where the denizens believe that relationships mean finding the genetically best specimen to mate with, that good looks equal genetic superiority, yet have no qualms perusing plastic surgery to falsely advertize their genetic makeup. Sounds consistent.

 

[FatNero]

It was "environmental factors" that ruined his beautiful bone structure.

Must have missed that. Any clue what those were? The scare quotes make me think he's being coy about it.

A well organized wiki would be nice at this point.

Let me see if I've got everything straight here:

1. There's a perfect bone structure that signifies the only man you should fuck-- and that bone structure happens to be white european and cavemanish for some reason.
2. He once had this bone structure but a mysterious event took it away. (Probably Jewish Bankers who want to stop him from mating)
3. Balloons can move skeletal structure somehow.
4. Doctors who tell him not to do this, and science that explains why the above beliefs are wrong are probably Jewish Bankers.
5. Being a cave man rules, even though the guys he's complained about would have killed him and screwed all the women. And probably raped him too. This is also a Jewish Banker conspiracy.
6. Jewish Bankers ruin everything. Also he's not a nazi but he hates Jewish Bankers so much. He really wishes there was a way to stop them, if he could just put them in camps or something the world would be so much better. But not nazi camps, other different camps.
7. Women who enjoy sex are sluts and Jewish Bankers.

He is from sluthate.com, where the denizens believe that relationships mean finding the genetically best specimen to mate with, that good looks equal genetic superiority, yet have no qualms perusing plastic surgery to falsely advertize their genetic makeup. Sounds consistent.

Yeah that's kinda what I was getting at. It seems like @amund has decided he is the ultimate genetic specimen yet he has to change himself to fit that bill.

 

[namazuros]

There shouldn't be billions of people, and we shouldn't be using artificial chemicals, radiation, and so on. Primitive hunter-gatherers are much happier, since they gain transcendence through their basic living experience. Everything they do is truly worthwhile.

How do you define 'worthwhile'? I'm not sure I understand. You realize hunters and gatherers still used tools to assist with their work, right? That's called technology. If you're going to boil down the worth of our life to such primal definitions, I'm going to assume that you imagine passing down our genes is the truest pursuit in life, yes? The survival of our race?

Well then we need technology, since our sun isn't going to last forever and we'll need a new home or some sort of solution. If we forsake technology and the pursuit of advancing scientific discovery, we are doomed as a species.

Also, you realize primitive humans had horrible diseases and medical conditions too, right? I also wonder if you would be so quick to dismiss modern medicine if you or a loved one had polio.

 

[The Littlest Shitlord]

There shouldn't be billions of people, and we shouldn't be using artificial chemicals, radiation, and so on. Primitive hunter-gatherers are much happier, since they gain transcendence through their basic living experience. Everything they do is truly worthwhile.



As I've already established, the fossil record does not indicate that there was ever a replacement of Neanderthals with a new population (so-called humans). Instead, there was a gradual transition from robust, large-brained, harmonious-skulled Neanderthals to weak, small-brained, craggy-skulled, retruded-faced "modern" humans. The factors at play were:

1. new technology like farming, villages, and medicine allowed inferior people to survive and reproduce
2. this technology also led to facial adenization
3. there was likely some gene flow of other, less-advanced hominids from other parts of the world which further lowered the quality of the Neanderthal gene pool

The end result was us. Sure is a lot to be proud of, huh?



Okay, but I don't think we should have any of that stuff. I'd rather not have globalization or more technology.

... he said, on a global high-tech network. Have you actually tried living the life of a primitive hunter-gatherer? It should be so much more worthwhile than what you are doing now, after all. Have you ever actually personally tried any of the radical changes that you wish to inflict upon society? Bartering instead of using money, for example? Or not using "chemicals", including drugs and basic cleaning products? Or not using radiation, including cell phones, wi-fi, television, radio, microwave ovens, x-rays, and certain types of smoke detectors? Because if you haven't, it severely undercuts your position.

 

[Da Pickle Monsta]

I pretty much stopped reading when @Amud claimed that hunter-gatherers or subsistence farmers were happy people because they had what they needed.

This is bullshit. There's such a thing as a "misery index," and it's always been higher when people had lower technology or access to medical care because, you know, people get sad when their loved ones die because they stepped on a rusty nail and died of tetanus.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misery_index_(economics)

Just so you know, @Amud, hunter-gatherer societies still exist worldwide and they tend to have a host of problems that you've glossed over. Here in the US, for example, there tend to be higher than normal rates of alcoholism, depression, and suicide in remote Alaskan villages--areas that still widely practice a subsistence lifestyle. And that's in the US! A country with a high standard of living! I could get all peer-reviewed on you, but instead I'll just post a commercial from one of those fund-a-child-for-a-dollar-a-day agencies.

[youtube]Vp7fQGdH0qo[/youtube]

Don't worry, folks! Those children are happy according to our friend @Amud!

 

[DrChristianTroy]

As for Africans, I'd rather not make blanket statements about any race. You can find Africans who are far superior to the typical European or Asian.

Even when you try to not sound racist you come off as crazy racist. So kid, on your little made up face category where do you place? How fucked up are you?

 

[Da Pickle Monsta]

Even when you try to not sound racist you come off as crazy racist. So kid, on your little made up face category where do you place? How fucked up are you?

Oh, it's painfully obvious he's never faced any real hardship. He's grown up comfortably in a first-world country and anything negative has been chalked up to "that's just the way things are" instead of "why?"

 

[Ca Ira]

I have not. Orthodontists are mostly quacks. For example, they give people braces, extractions, and headgear, which are known to cause Adenification, but they do not care and pretend it doesn't happen.

Why is "adenification" bad?

 

[Amud]

@Amud are you aware that a lot of people find people who go through plastic surgery or other procedures to look unnatural? Have you considered that, even if you had access to the best plastic surgery money can buy, you still wouldn't look the way you want? We've all seen people who've had too much work done. It doesn't look natural or sexy, they look like plastic freak people.

This has nothing to do with plastic surgery.

Okay so sensation and expansion is a sign of progress, you inflate them in your turbinates, and you don't know how many cots you actually need to successfully carry out this procedure. So here's my main issue with this.
1. Sensation of movement isn't definite proof of movement. Any sort of sensation is also not proof of you applying correct pressure inside your nose.
2. From what I've read, pressure should be applied past the tubinates for a successful neurocranial reconstruction. This information just comes from a few minutes of studying about it on the internet so I'm no expert on the procedure. But neither are you so I'd be very careful.
3. You have no idea what the end result of this procedure should be as indicated by your answer to Kablamo's question. In the event that inflating finger cots up your nose actually does something, you could actually just be fucking up the position of your maxilla (and other bones) instead of fixing it.
So here's my suggestion: Consult an actual NCR doctor about this instead of taking this into your own hands. They should be able to check the position of your bones and properly reposition them. In the event that you cannot see a doctor for this, just stop trying to take matters into your own hands. You could end up hurting yourself.

I also have two more questions based on your reply to another forum member.

In a few previous posts you mentioned a disdain you held towards the education system and the process of peer review. However, even though you don't approve of the system, you still attend community college.
1. Why do you still attend school if you don't believe in the benefits of it?
2. Would there be education at all in your ideal society and if so how would it be handled?

I don't want to consult an NCR doctor because there is to one near where I live and they cost a lot of money. I am confident that I am doing everything correctly. I'm not the first person to do this. It's well-charted territory.

You are failing to understand the distinction between how I would run my ideal society, and what my ideal course of action is within the context of our status quo society. My ideal society is just my own fantasy. Obviously, it will never actually come to fruition. And yes, it would have education, just not scienmagistic college education.

You initially claimed that this chart was your attempt at a racial classification. Saying that a racial classification is mostly the result of environment on an individual seems to me about the same as suggesting that a black man who moves to Canada will magically become white. How exactly do you justify that inconsistency?

Are you just going easy on the chinless-wonder race because you're a self-professed member of that category?



What kind of unhealthy people have you been hanging around who get a cold that frequently?

I've gotten the flu twice in my life and haven't gotten a cold for the past few years. Am I a superior neanderthal now too?

1. You are conflating race and phenotype. This chart is for phenotypes within the Caucasian race. Phenotypes are, by definition, environmentally-influenced.
2. First of all, I am not a chinless wonder. I have an average amount of chin projection. Second, I'm going easy on that race because incels are far more noble than Chads.
3. http://www.netdoctor.co.uk/diseases/facts/colds.htm

According to that site, most people will catch a cold 2-4 times per year. That's a lot.

4. Yes, you probably inherited good immune system genes from Neanderthals.

Must have missed that. Any clue what those were? The scare quotes make me think he's being coy about it.

A well organized wiki would be nice at this point.

Let me see if I've got everything straight here:

1. There's a perfect bone structure that signifies the only man you should fuck-- and that bone structure happens to be white european and cavemanish for some reason.
2. He once had this bone structure but a mysterious event took it away. (Probably Jewish Bankers who want to stop him from mating)
3. Balloons can move skeletal structure somehow.
4. Doctors who tell him not to do this, and science that explains why the above beliefs are wrong are probably Jewish Bankers.
5. Being a cave man rules, even though the guys he's complained about would have killed him and screwed all the women. And probably raped him too. This is also a Jewish Banker conspiracy.
6. Jewish Bankers ruin everything. Also he's not a nazi but he hates Jewish Bankers so much. He really wishes there was a way to stop them, if he could just put them in camps or something the world would be so much better. But not nazi camps, other different camps.
7. Women who enjoy sex are sluts and Jewish Bankers.

Yeah that's kinda what I was getting at. It seems like @amund has decided he is the ultimate genetic specimen yet he has to change himself to fit that bill.

I never once mentioned Jewish bankers or indicated any sort of anti-Semitic attitude. Stop projecting your biases onto me.

How do you define 'worthwhile'? I'm not sure I understand. You realize hunters and gatherers still used tools to assist with their work, right? That's called technology. If you're going to boil down the worth of our life to such primal definitions, I'm going to assume that you imagine passing down our genes is the truest pursuit in life, yes? The survival of our race?

Well then we need technology, since our sun isn't going to last forever and we'll need a new home or some sort of solution. If we forsake technology and the pursuit of advancing scientific discovery, we are doomed as a species.

Also, you realize primitive humans had horrible diseases and medical conditions too, right? I also wonder if you would be so quick to dismiss modern medicine if you or a loved one had polio.

1. All I mean is that the daily life of a hunter-gatherer is fulfilling, since most of the activities they do are directly contributing to survival. The life of an office drone is not fulfilling. Maybe the ultimate pursuit is passing down one's genes, but I'm just talking about daily living routines.

2. The sun will last billions of years. LIFE probably will not exist that long, let alone humans.

3. You know what, I'm sure my personal opinion would be different if that were the case. However, we all let emotional factors influence our opinions. I would be letting an emotional factor influence my decision to appreciate modern medicine. As of now, I am making my decision based on logical factors only.

I pretty much stopped reading when @Amud claimed that hunter-gatherers or subsistence farmers were happy people because they had what they needed.

This is bullshit. There's such a thing as a "misery index," and it's always been higher when people had lower technology or access to medical care because, you know, people get sad when their loved ones die because they stepped on a rusty nail and died of tetanus.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misery_index_(economics)

Just so you know, @Amud, hunter-gatherer societies still exist worldwide and they tend to have a host of problems that you've glossed over. Here in the US, for example, there tend to be higher than normal rates of alcoholism, depression, and suicide in remote Alaskan villages--areas that still widely practice a subsistence lifestyle. And that's in the US! A country with a high standard of living! I could get all peer-reviewed on you, but instead I'll just post a commercial from one of those fund-a-child-for-a-dollar-a-day agencies.

[youtube]Vp7fQGdH0qo[/youtube]

Don't worry, folks! Those children are happy according to our friend @Amud!

They are miserable because they are living in disgusting, unnatural conditions. Their lifestyle is very far-removed from their ancestral lifestyle, particularly with regards to their surroundings. Look at that disgusting metal bin.

Why is "adenification" bad?

 

[CatParty]

. First of all, I am not a chinless wonder. I have an average amount of chin projection. Second, I'm going easy on that race because incels are far more noble than Chads.

prove it. post a video because that cannot be photoshopped

 

[Saney]

Do you think these people deserve to die? Would you have them executed?

 

[JU 199]

1. You are conflating race and phenotype. This chart is for phenotypes within the Caucasian race. Phenotypes are, by definition, environmentally-influenced.
2. First of all, I am not a chinless wonder. I have an average amount of chin projection. Second, I'm going easy on that race because incels are far more noble than Chads.
3. http://www.netdoctor.co.uk/diseases/facts/colds.htm

According to that site, most people will catch a cold 2-4 times per year. That's a lot.

4. Yes, you probably inherited good immune system genes from Neanderthals.

@Amud we've proven you have no understanding of economics or biology. Why are you still trying to convince us otherwise you delusional redpill?

and why do you hate women so much?

 

[Wolf Fetuses]

I don't really get illnesses or infections at all. Most people get a cold every few weeks or so and get the flu every year despite getting flu shots.

First, getting a cold once or twice a year is actually a sign of a healthy, functioning immune system. The "bunged up" feeling you get with a cold is actually the result of histamine and white blood cells responding to pathogens in the upper respiratory system. Second, if you truly believe this, you could have proved it by posting a video of you eating raw chicken or something, not just saying "I don't get ill because I said so".

That second guy would be quite good looking if he lost the acne and grew his hair a bit.

I'm going easy on that race because incels are far more noble than Chads.

Too bad "chads" are probably a hell of a lot happier. What was that about finding fulfillment in the ancestral lifestyle?

 

[Durable Mike Malloy]

They are miserable because they are living in disgusting, unnatural conditions. Their lifestyle is very far-removed from their ancestral lifestyle, particularly with regards to their surroundings. Look at that disgusting metal bin.

@Amud , buddy, this is legit obnoxious.

If you have ever talked to someone who actually lives a traditional hunter-gatherer or pastoralist lifestyle, you will probably find that the things they want are food security, access to medical care for their loved ones, and books along with the ability to read and write them. And here you are, apparently living on your parents' dime, inflating c̶o̶n̶d̶o̶m̶s̶ FINGER COTS into your sinuses and actively resisting knowledge.

This is tremendously unbecoming. You are behaving like an embarrassment.

 

[SpessCaptain]

Chins chins chins chins. Why does it always have to deal with chins @Amud ?

Is your fetish chins?


Also: Showing a bunch of images as your reasoning is not an answer.

 

[CatParty]

@Amud post a video of your chin

 

[Ca Ira]

This has nothing to do with plastic surgery.



I don't want to consult an NCR doctor because there is to one near where I live and they cost a lot of money. I am confident that I am doing everything correctly. I'm not the first person to do this. It's well-charted territory.

You are failing to understand the distinction between how I would run my ideal society, and what my ideal course of action is within the context of our status quo society. My ideal society is just my own fantasy. Obviously, it will never actually come to fruition. And yes, it would have education, just not scienmagistic college education.



1. You are conflating race and phenotype. This chart is for phenotypes within the Caucasian race. Phenotypes are, by definition, environmentally-influenced.
2. First of all, I am not a chinless wonder. I have an average amount of chin projection. Second, I'm going easy on that race because incels are far more noble than Chads.
3. http://www.netdoctor.co.uk/diseases/facts/colds.htm

According to that site, most people will catch a cold 2-4 times per year. That's a lot.

4. Yes, you probably inherited good immune system genes from Neanderthals.




I never once mentioned Jewish bankers or indicated any sort of anti-Semitic attitude. Stop projecting your biases onto me.



1. All I mean is that the daily life of a hunter-gatherer is fulfilling, since most of the activities they do are directly contributing to survival. The life of an office drone is not fulfilling. Maybe the ultimate pursuit is passing down one's genes, but I'm just talking about daily living routines.

2. The sun will last billions of years. LIFE probably will not exist that long, let alone humans.

3. You know what, I'm sure my personal opinion would be different if that were the case. However, we all let emotional factors influence our opinions. I would be letting an emotional factor influence my decision to appreciate modern medicine. As of now, I am making my decision based on logical factors only.



They are miserable because they are living in disgusting, unnatural conditions. Their lifestyle is very far-removed from their ancestral lifestyle, particularly with regards to their surroundings. Look at that disgusting metal bin.

I take it, then, that you personally consider "adenids" unattractive. But, then, you described Oscar Wilde as strongly adenid, and he was rather comely in his way, at least in my opinion.

Also, I have to say, I think any person is going to look fairly unattractive if they have spotty skin and are staring, slack-jawed, toward the camera, regardless of face shape. The photos you've provided are unflattering for numerous reasons not related to face shape.

Anyway-- can you please explain to me how I can determine what facial group an individual fits into? I'm sure you'll agree that the reference image you've provided is inadequate; if you want your system of classification to be considered scientific, it needs to be quantifiable rather than based on personal opinion. There are too many ambiguities in the images, and it's not clear what features are integral to classification and which are not. What you really need are diagrams with measurements explaining what features of the face play into classification, and what characteristics of those features need to be measured.

Basically, once you clearly and quantifiably define your face shape categories and in what ways members of each category are supposed to be superior/inferior, we can begin to test your theory. Hey presto, science!

A few miscellaneous additional questions:

Is the "bankid" image meant to look like an evil Jewish caricature?

Are these classifications also applicable to women? If so, why are all of the faces masculine?

Why do all of the face shapes other than the inferior "ethnikid" appear white? The "averageid" is clearly white, even though the average human face obviously would not be.

 

[Positron]

Basically, once you clearly and quantifiably define your face shape categories and in what ways members of each category are supposed to be superior/inferior, we can begin to test your theory. Hey presto, science!

Who needs your sciencimagic when you can achieve transcendence by getting gored to death by a buffalo?