An Interview with Isabella Loretta Janke / Bella Janke acquaintance ZorgothTDK - Alleges Bella has a CP collection, sexually assaults her friends, and more

This woman was clearly sexually abused by a close family member, likely for years. Growing up in that sort of situation can have some strange effects on the mind, especially when it starts early and involves a lot of emotional manipulation. The worst cases are always the ones who never confront it properly and grow up warped around it with the trauma buried far too deep to ever acknowledge the damage, much less undo it. Like trying to hide a body in the walls of a house, if you need an analogy: you can spray all the disinfectant you want, and wash your hands a million times, and cover over the wallpaper again and again, but it's still going to rot and bubble and smell in there.

Now, I'm not going to say it's necessarily incriminating that there are photos of her in a swimsuit as a child, to a certain point. In fact, plenty of parents take innocuous "baby's first bath" pictures where their baby/toddler is technically nude, but this isn't generally considered pornography by rational human beings because it's not the nudity that's central to the image. "I know it when I see it" is a pretty good rule of thumb for this kind of thing unless you're fucked in the head; the first issue with it is that some people are prudish and think non-sexual nudity is the same as porn, and the second is that normal human beings don't want to go through pictures of children naked to figure out if they 'count' as pornography or not.

tl;dr it's a weird grey area.

Some cunts try to slip softcore CP through the filters by claiming it's 'art' if there's no alleged abuse in it (i.e. Cuties). Spoiler: Cuties is not art. It's gross preteen twerking shit for fat lazy arthouse chomos who are too special and euphoric to just use Tor and get arrested in a CP sting by the fucking FBI like the lower class filth crawling around them.

While taking pics of your kids at the beach and other places it's appropriate to wear a swimsuit is a normal and healthy family activity, it does start to get weird when people take pictures of their children wearing swimsuits/other revealing attire that doesn't really fit the location/context. It gets even more suspicious if they're doing strange poses, and especially so if these poses are obviously meant to evoke erotic sensations.

In fact, this sort of thing can even be considered child pornography under some lenses where simply having a photograph of a naked toddler in a bath or a child splashing around in a bikini suit at the pool would fail the test. The key reason is that pornography, generally, is intentionally erotic even if it's not explicit.

There have been cases testing things like photography of children in nudist colonies (this was a thing in the 1970s, I think?) and even those baby bath-time photos I mentioned earlier. Generally it seems to be agreed upon that the intent and focus choices of the photographer are highly relevant in such cases, at least as much as the content itself. This is why, when you see pictures of naked starving children in Africa, it is not considered pornography: the intent was to document a disaster, not to make erotica.

It's all more intricate than that, but that is a brief summary. Ask someone else for actual references on cases if you care so much; I just want to finish this and eat my Chinese food.

To get to the point, though, I think there's a non-zero potential of these weird swimsuit pics existing. An overachieving narcissist with a lifetime of validation around him (not gonna say who because, well, you know how it is) is exactly the kind of person who would, if he were molesting his daughter, take a bunch of somewhat inappropriate pictures of her posing in a swimsuit and add them to their family photos as a form of boasting and domination.

An underachieving, impulsive, fetishistic, psychologically warped daughter with daddy issues and a personality disorder is the kind of person who would then take them and post them online while commenting she'd fuck herself as a child--again in a sort of ironic boast, perhaps flavored with the ghostly echos of a past cry that's already been silenced.

Oh, and, I will expand further on this in the future, but remember that Bella most likely has a substance use disorder. She both uses and deals uppers, which is likely to be part of what's fueling her wacky behavior at times and also may be a part of why she goes on Tor with strong security measures in place.

I will comment on the CP possession issue individually as well, later, after I've eaten and stuff.

But yeah that's some general rundown on the swimsuit stuff. Real creepy in its own right, Bella is a mushroom, die chris die, memes etc. Also lastly if you actually doubt she was molested then I will be happy to prove you wrong with cold hard opinions that aren't science but are just as unpleasant.

Remember, though, she's still a fucking disgusting person and should not be spared justice. Pity the spore she was, not the fungus she's become.
 
catching up with this horrific shit, i dunno what to think about Zorgoth but he seems trustworthy so far... i dont know him from adam but if he thought it was just sick jokes and ACTUALLY doubted that Bella was literally into cp vs. just being edgy he probably would have said as much...

I also KINDA agree with these comments, tho they don't completely allay my fears
Everyone knows Bella wasn't a "4chan thread admin". The point is that together with what we already have seen in regards to CP and Bella (asking for more on Reddit, mentioning it multiple times on Discord, reports of her posting underage girls) it paints an image. And while we don't have material evidence, we have enough people saying her pedophile tendencies were more than a few suspect comments. Now the question is, was it just her being edgy? As I see it, she'd be the kind of person to actually have a CP folder exactly because it's le oldfag edgy. Or she does fondle her fungus vagina unironically to it.

In the end it doesn't matter. We can sum it up like this: While null is right that this is not evidence, I disagree that it undermines everything else already posted. If we only went by what we can prove beyond reasonable doubt, then we also would need to stop talking about the estrogen incident, rape accusations, and so on. Just, let's keep in mind that we can't be sure yet she has CP.

EDIT: I want to reiterate: I'm saying "this paints a picture" based on the comments of others seeing what pics she posted and the third-party data such as Reddit posts, not based on what Bella said to others. We all know you can't trust her.
Either Zorgoth doesn't know the difference between Admin and OP, or Portobella does it for free. If it's the later, most likely fueled by the recent idolization I've seen torwards W.T. Snacks and how lenient he was towards this type of content back in the old days of /b/

"As I see it, she'd be the kind of person to actually have a CP folder exactly because it's le oldfag edgy."
If Bella goes hard for oldfag lore and fancies herself one, "/b/ Day" was a response to moot putting his foot down about illegal content or anything approaching it, and even users who didn't give a fuck about jailbait or raiding took it as an opportunity to shit on moot for putting restrictions their unsafespace and play along with the whole gay "u cant tell anon what to do" thing.

So I CAN see Bella talking big cp game to play into the final boss of the internet bullshit, but I also can see her ACTUALLY being into it...

It's not uncommon for female pedophiles and sadists to have a fixation on "innocence" or specifically the corruption of innocence. You see it with her hamster boiling and other animal abuse, as well as the way she treats those around her. She likes the idea of taking something pure and wholesome and destroying it. It's not the actual porn that gets her off, like with male pedos, but the cruelty and corruption fantasy. She doesn't need actual CP to indulge in that fantasy.

But what we know so far is just the stuff she was willing to talk about with people who knew her.
I'm willing to bet there's a lot more of her activities out there online that haven't been found yet... Some deep dark hole yet to be uncovered. I bet she has an account in some fetish community as well.
iawtc, and also reminds me of the zoosadists where Kero(?) claimed to have a "corruption fetish" which sounds like what Bella might have in regards to Louis, Allen, etc
 
Something to consider: despite Bella's behaviour being quite clearly abnormal, and her not taking many pains to hide it, her wealthy and well connected father hasn't shuffled her into an expensive and discreet inpatient facility at any known point in her childhood/teenage years. Her professional psychologist stepmother would appear to have gone along with that decision.

There is only ever one reason that parents of a seriously disturbed child choose not to present them for professional help when that option is available. There are no exceptions to that rule.

That didn't happen.
And if it did, it wasn't that bad.
And if it was, that's not a big deal.
And if it is, that's not my fault.
And if it was, I didn't mean it.
And if I did, you deserved it.
 
Something to consider: despite Bella's behaviour being quite clearly abnormal, and her not taking many pains to hide it, her wealthy and well connected father hasn't shuffled her into an expensive and discreet inpatient facility at any known point in her childhood/teenage years. Her professional psychologist stepmother would appear to have gone along with that decision.

There is only ever one reason that parents of a seriously disturbed child choose not to present them for professional help when that option is available. There are no exceptions to that rule.

That didn't happen.
And if it did, it wasn't that bad.
And if it was, that's not a big deal.
And if it is, that's not my fault.
And if it was, I didn't mean it.
And if I did, you deserved it.

Powerleveling but I was actually shuffled through a bunch of psychologists until I learned the golden rule of Shut The Fuck Up. Eventually, you learn that if you tell the therapist, then it leads to all kinds of bad things like arguments and punishments and having to get a new therapist and having to make excuses and lie and blah blah blah and that's not even counting what happens when nobody with authority is looking. You learn that nobody is safe to talk to because it's more trouble than it's worth, and that's sometimes more emotionally harmful than a lot of the other things, because they're supposed to help you. It even happens with police if you have a particularly bad record in school and then you go in to the school resource officer and say "i'm 8 and i'm being molested at home", and your parents happen to be model fucking PTA teachers who can talk their way out of anything despite being shit, human shit, fecal matter, garbage, but everyone just believes them... the moral becomes that you're completely on your own and the world is a dichotomy of people taking and being taken from, always looking for any opportunity to do so, with no genuine regard for each other unless it benefits them in some way and oh my god I need to calm the fuck down.

Anyway that may not be so much the case as much now. At least, I would hope so. Would hope so, but would not expect it. tl;dr, although I feel no sympathy for Isabella Janke, I think I can at least understand her, and it's sad how she became this way.

Now, as I've said, Portabella is most likely a frequent user of amphetamine salts. She probably started them for study aids and decided she really liked them. I don't expect her to be at the point of actually being fully in the up/down cycle caused by a truly weighty addiction yet-- she's only 20-- but a lot of her strange behavior is a dead ringer for amphetamine psychosis. Boiling hamsters alive, measuring cat shit, the general irritability, bragging constantly about things she's done or allegedly done to break the law, delusions of power, success, invulnerability, and grandiosity: they're all symptoms of amphetamine psychosis.

It would explain her strange behavior towards her friends on Discord, too. In particular, the way she discusses things seems almost delirious at times, unable to stick to either a plan or even a coherent conversation. Someone else noted that she even looks like she's on something (those fucking eyes, man) which is probably the actual reason some of her pics are so creepy: Bella is high as fuck.

She most likely does not understand the true degree to which she's fucked up because she's using drugs to cope with her problems. This is why she's not only still failing to react normally in the Discords, but becoming more grandiose and erratic. I can't say what she's taking exactly, but she's mentioned both Adderall and Vyvanse, saying Vyvanse 60mg had no effect on her--which is frankly terrifying if not an exaggeration.

Since Bella is known to lie, she may be exaggerating some factors of her drug use and/or drug trafficking for internet clout. I do however believe that she is abusing at least some sort of stimulant substance given her behavior, and almost definitely also selling drugs of the same type either in person, through Tor, or both.

Or she could just be batshit crazy idk i'm not a doctor. But drug involvement is very likely.

It is very important to remember that every day, millions of people abuse drugs, including the same ones Bella is abusing. Although drug abuse is harmful, the majority of addicts express remorse for things they do while high/in order to get high. The same is true of the mentally ill. Bella appears to be dedicated to becoming the worst person she can possibly be, actively, and as far as we know there has never been any remorse on her part for her behavior; only lies and manipulations. Like Nick Bate, she has devoted her life to ruining her life, essentially, as well as other people's.

Child abuse victim and budding addict? Probably both. But she clearly doesn't care how much she hurts the people around her. In fact, Bella is a dangerous, psychopathic sadist, and her need for validation and her grandiose delusions are probably a large part of why she can't stop revealing more about herself. Don't feel sorry for her. Be disgusted. Feel sorry for the person she could have been if she'd been healthy in the brain, if anything, because it seems like she used to be decently smart until she started basically tweaking.

Later I will talk about the stuff she's actually done and the CP accusations properly. Will also discuss how I am going to pitch this to my friend at the bureau of fibs because he's mildly interested, but i'd need more concrete evidence than he-said/she-said. No pics, but allegedly she sent stuff to people (other than her own pics???)? If they have anything with the file names it would be very useful. I've said before, the FBI keeps its own archive, so unless she's renamed it... yeah it'd be easy to match a file name that's been traded without removing the name. Not too damning unless it's very, very specific, but we're not looking to convince a jury just yet. And a specification of what they mean by "she sent CP" would be helpful. Gross, but necessary. If anyone actually saved the underage images she allegedly sent, delete them immediately. This should be insanely obvious ffs. That sexual assault stuff is sketchy but should be dutifully looked into. The feds can't help with that, but her campus sure can if you get more on it.

Sorry if I've repeated anything or been ninja'd but I'm sleepy. Wanted to do a post about the abuse, her drug use, and her alleged CP possession; will do the last tomorrow.
 
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To be frank, I suspect that, in addition to whatever else she has, Bella trades and sells pictures of herself as a child. Based on the logs, she has shown photographs of herself that even the people in that discord found to be objectionable, and described them in sexualized ways. I suspect that was her testing the waters before showing more extreme examples; I think she has blatantly sexualized, pornographic images of herself at a young age, and, unfortunately, it would not come as a shock to learn she has video material of herself at a young age.
This was one of the first things I thought of when sifting through all the info, to be honest. As fucked up as it sounds, Bella wasn't just posting pictures of herself as a child and talking about how "hot" she thought kid-her was, but some of the pictures included poses as well and seemed to be sexualized poses, right? It's definitely something that made people in the discord uncomfortable—these didn't sound like just photos of her at the beach, stuff that a normal parent would take. Such material is sought after by pedophiles, just as much as more pornographic material. They're hoarders and never stop with just one picture or one video. They can't stop. It's compulsive.

There was a criminal gang in the Ukraine in the early aughts that used a modeling / child modeling agency as a fronts for producing child abuse material. There's an interesting article about it here. The point is, there was a market for such material then and still is. Pedophiles consider themselves collectors, and they're going to collect anything they can get their hands on in regards to their deviant interests.
 
the fun part about substance abuse and addiction is the burning shame you feel in the pit of your belly when you have those moments of lucidity where you realize what your addiction has cost you and you begin comparing yourself to your peers and the negative emotion spiral just pushes you to take more so you can feel good again and forget. it's the only amount of control they have in their lives. by using it as an escape you trade one prison for another.
 
yeah that sounds about right. from what I've seen I think Bella is a pathological liar and will say literally anything if it means people will think she's got something wrong with her. her mom and dad probably rewarded only negative behaviors with their attention and she had to keep being more and more disruptive to get attention. it was easier to get this online (especially from men) so she moved onlnie.

it's nice to have a mural of shame that's a collection of this information but you have to also separate out her own bullshit. if she's telling people she's a moderator on imageboards and collects child pornography she probably does neither and it's harmful to the reputation of your claims if you try to pass off both.

her persona is to be the worst person in the world. that's what she wants people to believe about her. the venom to this sort of pathology is to sort out wheat from chaff and enumerate what specifically she is without exaggeration.

instead of validating her complex, whittle her down as a little girl that tells big stories but does some pretty awful stuff.

so you have yet another person who can reiterate her claims of being the worst person in the world. what is valuable in this story? what exists without exaggeration? what can be verified?

if you he can prove he knew her and he attests that she collects child pornography then that's a tally mark. "These people said she is into child pornography".
Well, Bella definitely has to suffer the consequences of her actions. The only solution might be to watch her implode instead of interfering.
 
Powerleveling but I was actually shuffled through a bunch of psychologists until I learned the golden rule of Shut The Fuck Up. Eventually, you learn that if you tell the therapist, then it leads to all kinds of bad things like arguments and punishments and having to get a new therapist and having to make excuses and lie and blah blah blah and that's not even counting what happens when nobody with authority is looking. You learn that nobody is safe to talk to because it's more trouble than it's worth, and that's sometimes more emotionally harmful than a lot of the other things, because they're supposed to help you. It even happens with police if you have a particularly bad record in school and then you go in to the school resource officer and say "i'm 8 and i'm being molested at home", and your parents happen to be model fucking PTA teachers who can talk their way out of anything despite being shit, human shit, fecal matter, garbage, but everyone just believes them... the moral becomes that you're completely on your own and the world is a dichotomy of people taking and being taken from, always looking for any opportunity to do so, with no genuine regard for each other unless it benefits them in some way and oh my god I need to calm the fuck down.

Anyway that may not be so much the case as much now. At least, I would hope so. Would hope so, but would not expect it. tl;dr, although I feel no sympathy for Isabella Janke, I think I can at least understand her, and it's sad how she became this way.

Now, as I've said, Portabella is most likely a frequent user of amphetamine salts. She probably started them for study aids and decided she really liked them. I don't expect her to be at the point of actually being fully in the up/down cycle caused by a truly weighty addiction yet-- she's only 20-- but a lot of her strange behavior is a dead ringer for amphetamine psychosis. Boiling hamsters alive, measuring cat shit, the general irritability, bragging constantly about things she's done or allegedly done to break the law, delusions of power, success, invulnerability, and grandiosity: they're all symptoms of amphetamine psychosis.

It would explain her strange behavior towards her friends on Discord, too. In particular, the way she discusses things seems almost delirious at times, unable to stick to either a plan or even a coherent conversation. Someone else noted that she even looks like she's on something (those fucking eyes, man) which is probably the actual reason some of her pics are so creepy: Bella is high as fuck.

She most likely does not understand the true degree to which she's fucked up because she's using drugs to cope with her problems. This is why she's not only still failing to react normally in the Discords, but becoming more grandiose and erratic. I can't say what she's taking exactly, but she's mentioned both Adderall and Vyvanse, saying Vyvanse 60mg had no effect on her--which is frankly terrifying if not an exaggeration.

Since Bella is known to lie, she may be exaggerating some factors of her drug use and/or drug trafficking for internet clout. I do however believe that she is abusing at least some sort of stimulant substance given her behavior, and almost definitely also selling drugs of the same type either in person, through Tor, or both.

Or she could just be batshit crazy idk i'm not a doctor. But drug involvement is very likely.

It is very important to remember that every day, millions of people abuse drugs, including the same ones Bella is abusing. Although drug abuse is harmful, the majority of addicts express remorse for things they do while high/in order to get high. The same is true of the mentally ill. Bella appears to be dedicated to becoming the worst person she can possibly be, actively, and as far as we know there has never been any remorse on her part for her behavior; only lies and manipulations. Like Nick Bate, she has devoted her life to ruining her life, essentially, as well as other people's.

Child abuse victim and budding addict? Probably both. But she clearly doesn't care how much she hurts the people around her. In fact, Bella is a dangerous, psychopathic sadist, and her need for validation and her grandiose delusions are probably a large part of why she can't stop revealing more about herself. Don't feel sorry for her. Be disgusted. Feel sorry for the person she could have been if she'd been healthy in the brain, if anything, because it seems like she used to be decently smart until she started basically tweaking.

Later I will talk about the stuff she's actually done and the CP accusations properly. Will also discuss how I am going to pitch this to my friend at the bureau of fibs because he's mildly interested, but i'd need more concrete evidence than he-said/she-said. No pics, but allegedly she sent stuff to people (other than her own pics???)? If they have anything with the file names it would be very useful. I've said before, the FBI keeps its own archive, so unless she's renamed it... yeah it'd be easy to match a file name that's been traded without removing the name. Not too damning unless it's very, very specific, but we're not looking to convince a jury just yet. And a specification of what they mean by "she sent CP" would be helpful. Gross, but necessary. If anyone actually saved the underage images she allegedly sent, delete them immediately. This should be insanely obvious ffs. That sexual assault stuff is sketchy but should be dutifully looked into. The feds can't help with that, but her campus sure can if you get more on it.

Sorry if I've repeated anything or been ninja'd but I'm sleepy. Wanted to do a post about the abuse, her drug use, and her alleged CP possession; will do the last tomorrow.

It appears that Janke has awakened a Sleeping Giant and filled him with terrible resolve, Miss Janke Congratulations on actually getting Kiwifarms to pozload my neghole, with FLAMENWERFER.
 
the fun part about substance abuse and addiction is the burning shame you feel in the pit of your belly when you have those moments of lucidity where you realize what your addiction has cost you and you begin comparing yourself to your peers and the negative emotion spiral just pushes you to take more so you can feel good again and forget. it's the only amount of control they have in their lives. by using it as an escape you trade one prison for another.
Big agree and well said. Imo severe addiction is pretty much the worst double bind you can find yourself in as a person. You need to stop but you can't until you've reached that personal bottom rung.

"...and then you're in serious trouble, very serious trouble, and you know it, finally, deadly serious trouble, because this Substance you thought was your one true friend, that you gave up all for, gladly, that for so long gave you relief from the pain of the Losses your love of that relief caused, your mother and lover and god and compadre, has finally removed its smily-face mask to reveal centerless eyes and a ravening maw, and canines down to here, it's the Face In The Floor, the grinning root-white face of your worst nightmares, and the face is your own face in the mirror, now, it's you, the Substance has devoured or replaced and become you, and the puke-, drool- and Substance-crusted T-shirt you've both worn for weeks now gets torn off and you stand there looking and in the root-white chest where your heart (given away to It) should be beating, in its exposed chest's center and centerless eyes is just a lightless hole, more teeth, and a beckoning taloned hand dangling something irresistible, and now you see you've been had, screwed royal, stripped and fucked and tossed to the side like some stuffed toy to lie for all time in the posture you land in. You see now that It's your enemy and your worst personal nightmare and the trouble It's gotten you into is undeniable and you still can't stop. Doing the Substance now is like attending Black Mass but you still can't stop, even though the Substance no longer gets you high. You are, as they say, Finished. You cannot get drunk and you cannot get sober; you cannot get high and you cannot get straight. You are behind bars; you are in a cage and can see only bars in every direction. You are in the kind of a hell of a mess that either ends lives or turns them around."
 
It appears that Janke has awakened a Sleeping Giant and filled him with terrible resolve, Miss Janke Congratulations on actually getting Kiwifarms to pozload my neghole, with FLAMENWERFER.
To be fair, KF has never had a problem going after legitimate pedos and zoosadists. Null has no problem reporting actual crimes to the proper authorities, and he encourages other to do the same. There are certain lines you do not cross, and this site can weaponize its autism like no other.

Also, not to go too OT, but since there are people in this thread with far more expertise than myself, I know some victims of CSA try to make themselves physically unattractive, sometimes downright repulsive, to ward off further sexual attention. Does the same idea extend to behavior? For example, someone either bragging about or actually collecting explicit images of children. You can't get more repulsive than that.

I'm not saying that's Bella's reasoning or motive, more curious in general, as I don't have much knowledge when it comes to this level of depravity.
 
I really want to go 3x as hard looking into her dad. He created a monster, and I wonder what sort of skeletons he has to have in his closet to do that. Unfortunately, I think glowfag Mikey is a bit smarter than his progeny.

You aren't going to find much on the internet. If you want to learn about Mike, you will need to familiarize yourself with FOIA.
 
Now, as I've said, Portabella is most likely a frequent user of amphetamine salts. She probably started them for study aids and decided she really liked them. I don't expect her to be at the point of actually being fully in the up/down cycle caused by a truly weighty addiction yet-- she's only 20-- but a lot of her strange behavior is a dead ringer for amphetamine psychosis. Boiling hamsters alive, measuring cat shit, the general irritability, bragging constantly about things she's done or allegedly done to break the law, delusions of power, success, invulnerability, and grandiosity: they're all symptoms of amphetamine psychosis.
Drugs don't magically turn you into a psycho. They don't just cause you to murder and torture people. This is drug hysteria shit. That's the kind of shit like where rapists claim they would have been completely normal until porn turned them into a psycho.

I'd be surprised if she hasn't abused substances, but her awful behavior stems from her core personality, not some magically induced thing where the pill is the problem. The problem is Isabella.
 
EDIT: I was contacted by someone who wishes to remain anonymous and seems to be a current janitor, they said there have been some important changes to the system since my time that would make this method infeasible in 2021:
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This put me at ease, but I'll leave the rest of my post intact below for posterity.

Regarding the logs from the OP about Bella being a 4chan admin for a "thread" - I assume Zorgoth means "boards"

This made my hair stand up on the back of my neck. Okay, here is some relevant background information. I used to be a janitor on 4chan many years ago. How it works is that jannies can usually only see reports for their assigned boards. BUT, if a post gets 3 or more reports for "illegal content" it goes into a global queue so that any available janitor can take care of it right away. That's how janitors take down CP immediately, they can issue temp bans while waiting for a mod. This really sounds like she was taking advantage of the global illegal report queue to collect CP as a pedophile herself WHILE SHE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE KEEPING IT OFF THE SITE. Fucking disgusting.

I was always concerned that someone might abuse the global report queue in that way. Because of the size of the size of the site, if she were a really active janny she would be handling multiple reports like that a day, sometimes more if there was a spammer active that day. You can be the janitor of a small board like "papercraft and origami" and still see a high volume of illegal content because of the way the report system works. IF she is telling the truth about being a janny she basically had illegal content streamlined straight to her multiple times a day with plausible deniability.

Disclaimer: It has not been proven that Bella was actually a 4chan janitor. She cold have been lying to show off to her edgy friends. Also I haven't been a janitor since 2016ish but I doubt it's changed much since then.
This already happened with 8chan. Hotwheels himself reported that a HUGE portion of his global moderators were pedophiles who wanted to add to their own CP stashes.
 
Drugs don't magically turn you into a psycho. They don't just cause you to murder and torture people. This is drug hysteria shit. That's the kind of shit like where rapists claim they would have been completely normal until porn turned them into a psycho.

I'd be surprised if she hasn't abused substances, but her awful behavior stems from her core personality, not some magically induced thing where the pill is the problem. The problem is Isabella.
Yeah the stimulant abuse was what destroyed what little impulse control this psychopath had to begin with if anything.
 
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Drugs don't magically turn you into a psycho. They don't just cause you to murder and torture people. This is drug hysteria shit. That's the kind of shit like where rapists claim they would have been completely normal until porn turned them into a psycho.

I'd be surprised if she hasn't abused substances, but her awful behavior stems from her core personality, not some magically induced thing where the pill is the problem. The problem is Isabella.

Of course.

I should have explained better what I meant when I brought this up. Bella would be a monster with or without drugs; I just think the drugs are making her act a lot more erratic and retarded, and that's why we're able to see the "real" her.

Drugs can make you do insane things. Some people will commit obscene acts to obtain them, and of course many of the things users do when they're high are based on broken, idiosyncratic chemical "logic" that's completely bisected from reality. People who could be considered otherwise "good" in a general sense can do very "bad" things in the grip of drug usage and dependency. It is, as they say, very complicated.

However, all this doesn't excuse the psychopathic pattern of behavior Bella has exhibited. It only helps explain some of the more bizarre and extreme things she does. The drug use isn't her core problem, but rather an ultimately minor factor that's exacerbating a few of her already existing flaws to the point that we're able to notice them much more easily.

With most drug abusers, harming others/oneself is a negative and unwanted consequence of chasing pleasure and avoiding pain, and this feeds a cycle of more drug abuse in order to cope with the resulting emotional stress. Bella is already a malignant narcissist with delusions of grandiosity who demonstrably takes pleasure in harming others. She also has more than just a reckless disregard for her own future: she is actively trying to become a worse person, and has never expressed any regret for her actions.

Things like repeated, possibly violent sexual crimes, the long-term plotting against Chris and others, the disgusting way she treats other people, and many of the other things she does--these aren't caused by amphetamine abuse. They're caused by Isabella Loretta Janke being a terrible person, a sadist, a psychopath, and a dumb cunt. In particular, the long-term plotting is just obviously not an effect of the drugs. She's been actively planning to hurt specific people for years, rather than doing stupid impulsive things when she's high or in need of a fix.

The drugs are really just amplifying things like her delusions of invincibility and making her act like even more of a clown. I'd hazard a guess that one of the reasons her opsec is so bad is because she's making decisions under the influence. All the confusing, contradicting decisions she made with the leaks are probably at least somewhat related to this.

To be clear, the fact that she blamed and doxed F., sat on the information for so long, lied to everyone, and so on--all of this is Isabella's fault. A remotely sane human being, even a druggie, would have come down and been like, "This shit's fucked, yo" and then either immediately called in a welfare check or leaked the call to someone like Null. I can see putting a filter on your voice for anonymity, but Bella went out of her way to set up F., even if she did it in an incoherent and retarded way, and then sat on the info and tried to lie about when she got it.

Ultimately, that's where I'm seeing the most impact. The weird disorganization with which her lies were/are presented are probably a result of her stimulant abuse. Her actual moral decisions are hers alone, regardless of what she's been taking; the fact that she's acting so erratically is just better for us in the end.

Jesus this is getting way too long. I'll finish up.

I think stuff like the hamster thing and measuring her cat's shit might be bouts of amphetamine psychosis. It's the sort of thing tweakers do, except she's a sadist so she thinks boiling hamsters is funny when she's sober, too. I don't really have any proof, and it doesn't change anything about what kind of person she is. Like I said, Bella has shown she's a danger to others with or without drugs, especially since she doesn't just harm people impulsively for immediate gain, but makes premeditated plans.

rapists claim they would have been completely normal until porn turned them into a psycho.

This makes me wonder if anyone has tried to use involuntary celibacy as a defense for rape in a courtroom, in a first world country, during the 21st century, and been acquitted. The extra clauses are necessary to this query because my standards for human behavior are so low that I'm just going to assume there's a Greek patron god of incels or something.

I really want to go 3x as hard looking into her dad. He created a monster, and I wonder what sort of skeletons he has to have in his closet to do that. Unfortunately, I think glowfag Mikey is a bit smarter than his progeny.

It is a good thing that I am not prevented from making any further comment on the relationship of the Investigatory Bureau of the Federal Government of the United States to a glowing man and his iodine-leaking spawn at this time.

Big agree and well said. Imo severe addiction is pretty much the worst double bind you can find yourself in as a person. You need to stop but you can't until you've reached that personal bottom rung.

"...and then you're in serious trouble, very serious trouble, and you know it, finally, deadly serious trouble, because this Substance you thought was your one true friend, that you gave up all for, gladly, that for so long gave you relief from the pain of the Losses your love of that relief caused, your mother and lover and god and compadre, has finally removed its smily-face mask to reveal centerless eyes and a ravening maw, and canines down to here, it's the Face In The Floor, the grinning root-white face of your worst nightmares, and the face is your own face in the mirror, now, it's you, the Substance has devoured or replaced and become you, and the puke-, drool- and Substance-crusted T-shirt you've both worn for weeks now gets torn off and you stand there looking and in the root-white chest where your heart (given away to It) should be beating, in its exposed chest's center and centerless eyes is just a lightless hole, more teeth, and a beckoning taloned hand dangling something irresistible, and now you see you've been had, screwed royal, stripped and fucked and tossed to the side like some stuffed toy to lie for all time in the posture you land in. You see now that It's your enemy and your worst personal nightmare and the trouble It's gotten you into is undeniable and you still can't stop. Doing the Substance now is like attending Black Mass but you still can't stop, even though the Substance no longer gets you high. You are, as they say, Finished. You cannot get drunk and you cannot get sober; you cannot get high and you cannot get straight. You are behind bars; you are in a cage and can see only bars in every direction. You are in the kind of a hell of a mess that either ends lives or turns them around."

the fun part about substance abuse and addiction is the burning shame you feel in the pit of your belly when you have those moments of lucidity where you realize what your addiction has cost you and you begin comparing yourself to your peers and the negative emotion spiral just pushes you to take more so you can feel good again and forget. it's the only amount of control they have in their lives. by using it as an escape you trade one prison for another.

Addiction is a horrible train of fuck you can't get off without jumping. However, I still don't feel any sympathy for Isabella, because the things she's done aren't just "druggie stuff". If she was just fleecing Chris for money to get high or something and accidentally recorded that call, that'd be one thing and I'd encourage people to take a more helpful tone with her to get her into treatment. But there's a lot more going on than just addiction.

Namely, the difference between an average drug addict and Isabella Loretta Janke is that the average drug addict does not kill, maim, sexually assault, taze, and otherwise abuse people and small animals for kicks and personal pleasure as a pattern of behavior and then brag about it on the internet constantly regardless of whether they're high or not. Doing what she's done indicates problems beyond just drug abuse; many of which are of her own making.

It sucks that Bella's had a potentially shitty time with her family and may be a drug addict, but that doesn't excuse her from any of her bad decisions as an adult any more than shooting up would excuse you or me from ours. Using drugs is just another bad decision in a long line of other bad decisions. If she ever wants to jump off the addiction train and go to treatment, good on her, but she's also going to have to deal with a lot of other shit, including things she's responsible for, if she wants to actually get better as a person.

However, it's unlikely she'll get help without being forced into it, and if what we know is any indication, she lacks even the basic introspective skills necessary to either keep from relapsing or generally just work on her sense of empathy. If raping her fellow students at taser-point, boiling animals alive, and trying to force her friends to commit suicide over the course of years is something she does at 18-20 with an apparently manageable habit, I can't even begin to imagine what "rock bottom" would be for her.

This post is too long oh god. I'm ending it here.
 
Addiction is a horrible train of fuck you can't get off without jumping. However, I still don't feel any sympathy for Isabella, because the things she's done aren't just "druggie stuff". If she was just fleecing Chris for money to get high or something and accidentally recorded that call, that'd be one thing and I'd encourage people to take a more helpful tone with her to get her into treatment. But there's a lot more going on than just addiction.
Addiction just heightens your worst parts, it doesn't make you evil. (Power level: 1 year clean of opiates). It makes you do bad stuff for a fix, but at the end of the day, it's still your brain, just drug addled.
 
In the discord leaks she started sperging out about disabling javascript while using Tor.

If you browse around on Tor, you will inevitably stumble on some shit which will warn you to disable Javascript because there is a vulnerability with it which can expose you because the given vulnerability ultimately circumvents the main protection methodology of Tor (layers of encryption through relays ("Onion routing")). If you ask me for an example of such a warning, I can't provide one off the top of my head... nor would I want to go looking for one... but if you spend like an hour randomly browsing Tor links you'll stumble upon such a warning eventually before noping the fuck out of whatever website it was included on.

No doubt in my mind she was using Tor nefariously for these exact purposes.
I have seen this on the start-up page for Tor.

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One time she randomly said this shit in the #inside channel. Censored the links because I have no clue what the fuck it could be. Anyone recognize the titles?
I searched for the title and came up with this hacking-related site. Whatever it is, this person was trying to sell it for 128 BTC in November 2017, which can't be right...that's like $900k back then.
Looks to be someone selling data:

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And this was probably posted by the same person recruiting people:

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She mentioned doing PI work for DataTribe and when pushed for detail described it as “stalking”. I wonder if that’s what this is.
She will be trying to unmask hackers or people who send ransomware etc. Probably in the case above she had to find out who was selling the data and if it had been posted anywhere.
 
Drugs can make you do insane things. Some people will commit obscene acts to obtain them, and of course many of the things users do when they're high are based on broken, idiosyncratic chemical "logic" that's completely bisected from reality. People who could be considered otherwise "good" in a general sense can do very "bad" things in the grip of drug usage and dependency. It is, as they say, very complicated.
A lot of that is dependence and the things people do actually to get drugs. Some is psychosis induced by drugs like stimulants. But it doesn't put shit in your mind that wasn't there already, just lowers your inhibitions and sense of self-preservation to the point you actually do them. Ethan Ralph is probably the best example of another lolcow with this issue.

Both of them do bad things when they're using substances, but they're also bad people who are just better at concealing it sometimes.
 
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