And a Child Shall Mislead Them - Arch-"skeptic" Penn Jillette: the latest -- and most ironic -- convert to Troonism

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And a Child Shall Mislead Them

David Cole
October 19, 2021
And a Child Shall Mislead Them

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Penn Jillette


This week, we take a focused look at how the West’s most destructive superstition can grip the mind of even the most strident “rationalist,” and what that means for those of us who don’t partake in the séance.

Penn Jillette, the tall half of the hugely successful magician duo Penn & Teller, is one of the entertainment industry’s most outspoken atheists. For decades, Jillette has smugly condemned all manner of religious, psychic, and pseudoscientific irrationality. He also has a fan base on the right, because as a self-described libertarian, Jillette’s often mused about how “taxation is theft” and government compulsion is bad.

Penn Jillette: a man with no gods, including government. A man who falls for no (to use the title of his Showtime series) “bullshit.”
Then his teenage daughter decided that she’s a man. And the world witnessed how quickly the “smug” vanishes from the rationalist when the bullshit hits too close to home.
About a year or so ago, Jillette’s daughter, Moxie Crimefighter (yes, that’s her name), decided that she’d been “assigned the wrong sex at birth.” And she demanded that her parents no longer use female pronouns for her, like, ever.

Back in 2014, Jillette bragged on his podcast about how he’d raised Moxie to “laugh at God.”

There’s an old saying I just coined: “When you laugh at God, He laughs back and best.” Because now Jillette—Mr. “no pseudoscience,” Mr. “no cults or flimflam”—has become the spokesperson for the biggest pseudoscientific cultlike flimflam of the 21st century. The guy who’s spent a career deconstructing magic (“no, the bouquet of flowers didn’t actually become a rabbit; it was sleight of hand”) is now a true believer that a girl can actually become a boy overnight, by the sheer power of mentalism!

Abracagender!

In theory, none of this is our concern. What transpires in the Jillette household is solely the business of the Jillettes.

But Penn makes it our business.

As part of Jillette’s conversion to spiritualist, he’s publicly renounced his libertarianism (on CNN, no less!), he’s embraced burdensome government, and he’s thrown his support full-throttle behind Joe Biden and Gavin Newsom as they promote policies that strong-arm us to “see” Jillette’s spooks and spirits (Newsom in particular is arguably the most “compulsory” politico in the country when it comes to forcing people to accept tranny theology). Jillette supports politicians who want to force girls to shower, change, and go to the bathroom alongside biological boys. Those same politicians have eliminated cervical cancer smear test outreaches to women (because it’s a hate crime to say that only women have a cervix), and the Mayo Clinic—joining the madness—has scrubbed its cervical cancer awareness page of any mention of women.

“This is cultlike behavior; there’s no other way to put it.”

To be clear, women will die from the elimination of targeted cervical cancer outreach, and girls will be, and have been, raped by boys playing tranny to infiltrate the girls’ bathroom. Jillette used to be a campaigner against “psychic surgeon” frauds who endanger people by pretending to cure their disease, thus prompting them to neglect legitimate treatment. Yet now he supports politicians who put women at risk because of a belief system no less irrational than psychic healing.
Jillette’s also pledged to ban gender pronouns from his CW series Fool Us:

I have tried to eliminate all gender pronouns from our show. That’s very difficult for me, because I’m uneducated. I have that autodidact, irritating quality of reading old grammar books. So it’s very difficult for me to use third-person plural as third-person singular, but I’ve done it. I used to say he or she a lot, but I learned the binary gender thing was impolite and inconsiderate.

Dude’s apologizing for being erudite (he literally says being well versed in grammar means being “uneducated”).

Jillette’s also stopped using the term “female magicians” in favor of “people who self-identify as women in magic” (that’s not even remotely cumbersome). And most batshit of all, he supports the use of “gender-free playing cards,” in which king, queen, and jack are replaced by “gold, silver, and bronze.” It’s not even clear to me why a tranny would be disturbed by a face card; if boys who think they’re girls really are girls, and if girls who think they’re boys really are boys, then what’s offensive about seeing a female queen and a male king? They can identify with whichever one they feel like that day.

Yet Jillette asks no such questions (the “man of logic” is long gone). It’s not possible to overstate the magnitude of the “genderless deck” thing. Here’s a fella who’s devoted his life to magic, not just as a practitioner, but a historian. And yet he favors altering something that’s not only fundamental to his field but historical.
This is cultlike behavior; there’s no other way to put it. He’s obviously a loving father, but in his desire to support his daughter, he’s undergone a personality change. That’s not being a supportive dad; that’s being brainwashed.

Jillette’s podcast, titled Sunday School to mock Christians, has ironically become an actual pulpit, a place where he can preach tranny theology and flagellate himself as a sinner. “Our dinner table conversation is I would say at least one-quarter correcting pronouns,” Jillette revealed on a recent episode, castigating himself for still occasionally calling Moxie “she.” When his cohost responded, “Well, at least it sounds like your children respect the effort,” Jillette, reproaching himself for his failures, bitterly replied, “Maybe I should just do it fuckin’ right.”

Jillette also apologized for having trouble with the proper pronouns for Moxie’s friends, who “have they, him, her, and it and some of them change day by day.” That’s a startling admission (though Jillette’s too blind to understand why): How committed to the bit are these kids if they “change day by day”? It’s one thing to claim that a girl suddenly discovers the boy living within. That’s nutty enough.

But changing “day by day” suggests unseriousness. Yet Jillette supports authoritarian politicians who want to remake society based purely on the “day by day” whims of children.
It’s instructive to recall that six years ago I interviewed a trans activist I’d known since childhood, and I reminded her about a dear mutual friend who was almost raped in the girls’ bathroom at our school. The rape was interrupted by a teacher who saw the rapist enter and ran over to enforce the school’s “no boys in the girls’ room” policy. With boys now welcome in whatever bathroom they “identify” with, I asked the activist, “What’s going to stop assaults like the one our friend endured?”

Her response? “It’s not like suddenly a child is going to school all boy, masculine, maybe even in sports, and then comes to school in a dress declaring they are now a girl. When a child is trans, they know from the get-go. These are not just any boys who declare, ‘I’m a girl now!’”

I knew that answer was bullshit, and Jillette inadvertently confirms that with his “day by day” observation.

On another podcast episode, Jillette condemned Moxie’s grandma for “fucking up the pronouns,” and he called himself “stupid as soil samples” for committing similar infractions.
Tell me that’s not cultish. Cults are all about making you condemn yourself (for your old sinful ways), your family, and your profession. Cults are about forcing renunciation and rebirth. It’s what authors Flo Conway and Jim Siegelman call “snapping.”

Here’s an example of the extent to which Jillette has “snapped”:

In 2014, he was called out by a Muslim journalist for trolling the musician formerly known as Cat Stevens on Twitter, purposely using his “dead name” and not his Muslim name (Yusuf Islam). I’m no fan of Muslims, but to be fair the guy’s been Yusuf Islam since 1977, and Cat Stevens was a stage name anyway.

“Would be nice if you called him by the name he wants to be called,” journalist Shakeel Hashim tweeted to Jillette.

“I think it’s funny to use that name. I do not respect this decision in any way,” Jillette replied.

Jillette basically said, “I do not respect this person’s choice to change his name and identity. In fact, I find it funny.”

But that was back when Jillette was a “skeptic.” Before the cult got him. Indeed, I’d argue that the tranny cult is worse than any religious cult, because it lacks the concept of a loving God. There’s no hope of redemption; only the promise of more haranguing and correction.

As Conway and Siegelman point out, most people “snap” because an emotional weakness is exploited, or because something happens in their life that “disrupts continuity.” The tranny cult got to Jillette through his child, through his obvious love for her, and through the continuity break that occurred when the girl he raised declared she’s not a girl. That’s how they hooked an otherwise intelligent 66-year-old man. But the cult demands more than that he just accept and love his daughter; he needs to cleanse himself of disbelief, and he needs to back politicians who strive to cleanse us.

Many on the right tend to think that the tranny cult targets kids in order to estrange them from their families. And in many cases, that’s true. But as the Jillette example starkly illustrates, hooking the kids can be an effective way to hook the parents. Brainwashing can flow upstream. A loving parent (like Jillette) accepts pseudoscience (a person can think themselves into changing their biological sex). In accepting this as truth, it logically follows that those who disagree—those who see childish fad and body dysmorphia, not “assigned sex vs. willed sex”—are harmful to “trans” children. So they must be stopped.

And that’s how you pull off the magic trick of turning a cynical libertarian into a woke social justice true believer who supports politicians who use all manner of force and coercion in the name of enforcing tranny dogma.

Several weeks ago in a Twitter thread discussing my column (and hey, follow me on Twitter before I get banned!), I was reminded that in Psychopathology of Everyday Life, Freud observed that social pressure to avoid saying something can lead to people no longer thinking the thing they’re not supposed to say. In other words, the mind conforms to the boundaries. We simply stop thinking things we know we can’t speak aloud.

The self-washing brain.

Parents seeking to patronize a child immersed in tranny faddism will soon stop thinking what they’re not allowed to say. Privately harbored skepticism will vanish the longer it isn’t allowed to be verbalized. And soon enough, you have converts. Old knowledge of gender reality is lost, replaced by the cult’s redefinition.
On Fool Us, Penn & Teller award a trophy to any magician who can fool them.

Penn deserves the biggest trophy of all…the dude literally fooled himself.

An impressive achievement, and one that certainly excites those who wish to remake America…just as it depresses the remaining anti-cult holdouts who still cling to the term “rationalist” like it means something.
 
So is there more info other than "daughter trooned out" in the article?
I'm not wading through all this whining about Penn's (non-)beliefs.
I mean, there were some pretty funny quotes peppered through it.
“Our dinner table conversation is I would say at least one-quarter correcting pronouns,” Jillette revealed on a recent episode,
This is the funniest thing I've read so far today.
 
The more I think about it the more it pisses me off, honestly. Not only did she grow up around a lot of degeneracy, it was made very apparent from a very early age that she was not the favored kid as soon as her little brother was born and looked just like Penn. You can even see it in the names. The son has a name of the form [Mother's maiden name] [Father's first name] [Father's last name]. Even though the first name is untraditional (Zoltan) it's got a recent family origin. It's the kind of thing you name a kid that's "out there" but also honors your family and connects the child to other generations. But Moxie was named like you'd name a pet. I think after repeat pregnancy losses prior to Moxie, like a lot of parents who've had losses before live births, they saw their first kid as kind of like...a theoretical idea mixed with the carnival grand prize.

They're not the first parents to treat kid #1 like a "practice kid," especially after losses. The kids were also taken care of by a series of nannies, like most kids of the rich and famous. So that's the job of women, look good naked or take care of babies, and have we mentioned we basically see you as frivolous and only take your brother seriously?
 
The more I think about it the more it pisses me off, honestly. Not only did she grow up around a lot of degeneracy, it was made very apparent from a very early age that she was not the favored kid as soon as her little brother was born and looked just like Penn. You can even see it in the names. The son has a name of the form [Mother's maiden name] [Father's first name] [Father's last name]. Even though the first name is untraditional (Zoltan) it's got a recent family origin. It's the kind of thing you name a kid that's "out there" but also honors your family and connects the child to other generations. But Moxie was named like you'd name a pet. I think after repeat pregnancy losses prior to Moxie, like a lot of parents who've had losses before live births, they saw their first kid as kind of like...a theoretical idea mixed with the carnival grand prize.

They're not the first parents to treat kid #1 like a "practice kid," especially after losses. The kids were also taken care of by a series of nannies, like most kids of the rich and famous. So that's the job of women, look good naked or take care of babies, and have we mentioned we basically see you as frivolous and only take your brother seriously?
Penn was trying too hard to be Frank Zappa, but meanwhile Zappa was authentic, just weird as hell.
 
I think it's a bit different than that. People are vulnerable to spirituality, whether you believe in a God or not it is hardwired into humanity, and removing a "greater punishment" has led to loss of morality standards, and cowardice with the ultimate fear being death. Destroying this notion in society has also made people "aimless" as you put it or just lacking purpose, and has mentally damaged many people which has led to this slippery slope freakshow occurring.

It's like the dumb argument that atheist have morality just like religion, the issue comes with it is basing a culture around a group of people who do not innately agree with each other and have no fine lines in the sand and come to the fact that morality if not by a higher being is subjective and enforced by peers lead to moral decay and corruption down the road. Either way pride cometh before the fall, and sooner or later many atheist will be hated for their role in what happened to modern societies of leading to that fall.

The thing is morality and ethics are part of the problem, they've been elevated into new gods
look at the tranny thing, you can't acknowledge that they're men in dresses because that upsets them and being nice and thus being MORAL is more important than being right
hell look at the new mantra all over twatter, #bekind

in a world which had actually done away with spiritual faith in concepts like this, the response to a tranny threatening to kill himself over misgendering would be along the lines of 'ok, whats it to me if you do?'
 
The thing is morality and ethics are part of the problem, they've been elevated into new gods
look at the tranny thing, you can't acknowledge that they're men in dresses because that upsets them and being nice and thus being MORAL is more important than being right
hell look at the new mantra all over twatter, #bekind
I wouldn't say it's morality per se, but the distortion of morality into a "Church of Nice".

Are you familiar with the four loves? Eros, storge, philios, and agape? Well, agape love is the highest form of love: to will the highest good of the other person.

Sometimes, perhaps even often, to love someone means you have to hurt their feelings.
 
The thing is morality and ethics are part of the problem, they've been elevated into new gods
look at the tranny thing, you can't acknowledge that they're men in dresses because that upsets them and being nice and thus being MORAL is more important than being right
hell look at the new mantra all over twatter, #bekind

in a world which had actually done away with spiritual faith in concepts like this, the response to a tranny threatening to kill himself over misgendering would be along the lines of 'ok, whats it to me if you do?'
Except I disagree. Sometimes morality requires you to upset people. Not upsetting people is the opposite of morality. Think of it like this, if a man says he's a woman. That is a lie. If you refuse to tell a man he's a man and not a woman while lying, then you are also being deceitful to yourself and to reality. There is nothing moral about lying or accepting a lie to spare others their feelings of that delusion. At that point someone could rape a child and then claim another delusion and people to spare the rapists feelings would accept that lie. How far does that line go?

Being kind if not actually moral. For instance I could let any illegal in my country to be kind, that is not moral to the legal and law biding citizens. It's not the people who are moral who are the problem, but those who have conflated politeness or good intentions with morals who have and are destroying society.

In a religious world that follows its own principles, trying to be something you're not would have you burned as a hieratic. Being a pedophile would have you crucified, and more skepticism would question the science instead of following the numbers and ignoring the context deeper in. Look at this world that basically worships empirical evidence and yet it is no more moral than the opposite. I'd argue it's worse. Now nobody understands morals, no one has any understanding of "objectivity" and people don't even understand that child abuse is simply not acceptable.
 
Can't say I'm really shocked at this.

He's just another smug, pseudo-intellectual celebrity atheist who dogmatically follows the popular cult of Scientism like Bill Nye. The same is true for le Skeptic Community™ as a whole which hilariously went from being widely considered as some sort of "intellectual force for Logic and Reason™" on circa 2007 YouTube to being recognized for what it is: a midwit trap for emotional children who all had the same the same "epiphany" that "if God real, why bad thing happen?" as teenagers, which lead them all to believe they already understand all the mysteries of the universe.

Back in 2014, Jillette bragged on his podcast about how he’d raised Moxie to “laugh at God.”

"Be not deceived, God is not mocked. For what things a man shall sow, those also shall he reap."
- Galatians 6:7-8

The irony of someone like Penn Jillette openly embracing the rejection of biological sex sure looks like he is sowing what he reaped.
 
Even though the first name is untraditional (Zoltan) it's got a recent family origin. It's the kind of thing you name a kid that's "out there" but also honors your family and connects the child to other generations. But Moxie was named like you'd name a pet. I think after repeat pregnancy losses prior to Moxie, like a lot of parents who've had losses before live births, they saw their first kid as kind of like...a theoretical idea mixed with the carnival grand prize.
Zoltan has the advantage of being a real (Hungarian) given name. Moxie is a synonym for "grit" and/or a soda brand from the 70s.
IME, there's three kinds of professional atheists: sincerely convinced philosophers who view this as a factual matter (there's been maybe 3 of these,) cleverer than thou narcissists who want to seem edgy and special (Hitchens, most of atheist YouTube,) and people so massively autistic that they can't conceive of something that doesn't fit inside their intellectual train set (Dawkins, the rest of atheist YouTube.) Gillette is firmly in the second category, and like most of these types, much prefers being seen as cool or special over any kind of consistency.
 
I thought we already knew this but then I realized that was Adam Savage of Mythbusters. Both their teenage daughters trooned out because girls can't like science, thereby converting their "skeptic, intellectual" parents because if you don't affirm kids 100% -- insta suicide. Didn't this also happen to PZ Myers? Brainwash children, convert parents is working as a strategy.

P.S. The Second Sex is basically a TERF manifesto and none of the troons who quote that one sentence have read it.
 
I can't imagine it. Epstein died and the comfortable West collectively shrugged like a naughty boy who got caught throwing a baseball through a window. To have faith in Man at this point is simply clownish. Read Dostoyevsky, guys, I'm begging you.
If there was such a thing as common sense we never would be in this situation to begin with.

This is a man who raised his daughter in a household of "polyamorous" relationships, a house where photos and images of naked women were abundant and out in public. No similar images of naked men. How would it feel to grow up in a house where women were basically treated as playthings for your wealthy parents and scenery for guests to discuss as if they weren't even human? That's what Moxie grew up with. No wonder she didn't want to be a girl.
Bullshit had loads of naked women on purely as eye candy and because they could get away with it being cable and thus thought it was funny, although they would have naked men too, but it was obvious what was supposed to be titillation and what was supposed to be funny.

I'm sure the feminists would whine about that today, but I think it's fine, however Bullshit was a show meant for an adult audience, it's another matter entirely how you decorate your house when you know you have kids.

I wouldn't say it's morality per se, but the distortion of morality into a "Church of Nice".

Are you familiar with the four loves? Eros, storge, philios, and agape? Well, agape love is the highest form of love: to will the highest good of the other person.

Sometimes, perhaps even often, to love someone means you have to hurt their feelings.
That's exactly what I was going to say, except I call it the "cult of Niceness", it's this belief that the "nice" thing to say or believe is always what's right, even though in reality what's right and what's productive isn't always what's "nice".

Can't say I'm really shocked at this.

He's just another smug, pseudo-intellectual celebrity atheist who dogmatically follows the popular cult of Scientism like Bill Nye. The same is true for le Skeptic Community™ as a whole which hilariously went from being widely considered as some sort of "intellectual force for Logic and Reason™" on circa 2007 YouTube to being recognized for what it is: a midwit trap for emotional children who all had the same the same "epiphany" that "if God real, why bad thing happen?" as teenagers, which lead them all to believe they already understand all the mysteries of the universe.
For as much nostalgia as I have for 2007, that was one thing I absolutely hated at the time and one thing I'm glad about today, that people saw that crap for what it was.
 
Yeah this is a man who thought it'd be fun to have his urinal a couple steps from his desk so he wouldn't have to actually get up and walk to another room to piss.

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The room's pink in color but the whole vibe is "only a dude could find this useful." And the copy of Two Virgins on the wall, at least it's equal opportunity nudity I guess on that one.


Here he is talking about how his house was so hard to childproof they had to make a separate house for their children, with a smaller bedroom for Moxie even though she was older, because "as a test tube baby, she'd spent part of our budget just getting there" (as if the price of IVF is more than a rounding error in the Jillettes' budget). He also talks about how his house was full of photos of porn stars, and how they converted their bedroom sex dungeon to a nursery but kept the fire pole.

These are articles any kid could find if they wanted to look up how the press had covered their childhood. There's dad talking about porn stars and sex dungeons with your smiling childhood photos right next to him.
 
I thought we already knew this but then I realized that was Adam Savage of Mythbusters. Both their teenage daughters trooned out because girls can't like science, thereby converting their "skeptic, intellectual" parents because if you don't affirm kids 100% -- insta suicide. Didn't this also happen to PZ Myers? Brainwash children, convert parents is working as a strategy.

P.S. The Second Sex is basically a TERF manifesto and none of the troons who quote that one sentence have read it.
I wasn't aware this also happened with Adam Savage, that makes me sadder because while Adam was certainly a smug "wuv da science" douchenozzle of the time in his own way, he was still more likable and not quite as big of a blowhard as Penn.

Honestly it's frightening to think of this "Oh I'm all about logic" guys falling prey to the cult of Woke, it shows just how manipulative it is, but at least it proves why Religion matters and why these douches were wrong to bad mouth it.
 
The more I think about it the more it pisses me off, honestly. Not only did she grow up around a lot of degeneracy, it was made very apparent from a very early age that she was not the favored kid as soon as her little brother was born and looked just like Penn. You can even see it in the names. The son has a name of the form [Mother's maiden name] [Father's first name] [Father's last name]. Even though the first name is untraditional (Zoltan) it's got a recent family origin. It's the kind of thing you name a kid that's "out there" but also honors your family and connects the child to other generations. But Moxie was named like you'd name a pet. I think after repeat pregnancy losses prior to Moxie, like a lot of parents who've had losses before live births, they saw their first kid as kind of like...a theoretical idea mixed with the carnival grand prize.

They're not the first parents to treat kid #1 like a "practice kid," especially after losses. The kids were also taken care of by a series of nannies, like most kids of the rich and famous. So that's the job of women, look good naked or take care of babies, and have we mentioned we basically see you as frivolous and only take your brother seriously?

I've seen a number of dogs named Moxie. It's a dog's name. Might as well have named her Fido.

And I really do think he's making up for not appreciating her enough by going full trans parenting nutjob.
 
It's almost like God (if he exists) has said "Fine. You don't want me around? I'm off, let's see how well you run the show without me", and society has just collapsed without him.
I'm pretty sure, as a Christian, God does this more often than people think. First He tells you no when you ask for something that's bad for you, and then eventually He gives it to you. Then, like the whole prodigal son thing, He waits for the realization on your part that you fucked up. I'd say it's a bit like the book of Job, but that's a slightly different lesson. Similar though.

Chesterton was right; believe in nothing and you'll fall for anything.
Age and life has taught me that Chesterton was almost always right, we're all just trying to catch up to where he was at a century ago.
 
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