Manosphere Andrew Tate / Top G / Cobratate - Egotistical MRA "influencer", arrested for trafficking in Romania, lied about having lung cancer

[Sinner's Sandwich]

These jokes are really inappropriate. Someone could assassinate Andrew Tate and you are making jokes about his unfortunate name.

 

[Coo Coo Bird]

These jokes are really inappropriate. Someone could assassinate Andrew Tate and you are making jokes about his unfortunate name.

I guess he'd be Andrew the Late.

 

[Sparkling Yuzu]

Someone could assassinate Andrew Tate and you are making jokes about his unfortunate name.

You might say... his Andrew Unfortunate fate.

 

[FBI-chan]

I didn't know much about "alpha males" before, but the more I read this thread more baffling it is that anyone wants to be like one, especially one like Andrew Tate. He is a brainless bimbo, except male. A bimbo is a caricature of womanhood: Seemingly the embodiment of femininity, but in reality only captures the worst, most unproductive aspects a woman could have: materialistic, dumb and helpless, obsessed with her looks, and exists only to please men sexually. She contributes nothing to society. A male bimbo, then, may at first seem like the embodiment of masculinity, but in reality he is a caricature with only the worst qualities in a man: overly emotional and irrational, materialistic, obsessed with sex yet hates women, and is completely selfish. He contributes nothing to society.

Truckers move shit. Electricians manage power. Garbagemen get garbage off the streets. Construction workers build shit. Even a stay-at-home mother (whose occupation is often seen as valueless due to having no monetary compensation) raises children, keeps a home habitable, and commonly also manages household funds.

Spoiler: Speaking of childrearing

Contrary to incel belief, family units are not supposed to place all the burden of childcare onto a single person. Even the nuclear family, a household comprising of just a husband, wife, and their children, is a recent invention that places a disproportionate amount of stress in childrearing and homemaking on the mother. The extended family better distributes responsibility and support while also reinforcing the family's beliefs and traditions. That's how it's been for most of human history; "stay at home motherhood" where the mother is the only person who ever cares for the children is a very recent invention. It truly takes a village to raise a child.

What do "alpha males" like Tate do? They sell lies, buy useless crap, sexually exploit women, tell other men that half of the population automatically deserves no respect, and if they manage to reproduce, all their children will be fatherless. He tells men that a life which is "just" comfortable or "just" good is basically the same as abject poverty. That they will never be satisfied unless they are exactly like him: A leech of society who constantly consumes, yet never adds value. He makes money off the system he claims is broken, and in fact depends on its existence, because his income would not exist without it. He is no better than a troon who grifts off of convincing people that troon oppression is real and collects a landfill's worth of garbage as symbols of their "womanhood."

Without truckers, things would not move to where they need to be. Without garbagemen, garbage would pile up on the streets. Without electricians, modern society would not have the power required to function. Without parents, children would have no guardians nor model for how to function. In comparison, what would society lose if "alpha males" did not exist?

"But fatherless boys need role models! Woke society forces them to overcompensate, and clearly they see something in him!"
There are great men in history who have won wars, whose inventions have changed the world, whose art will be remembered forever, or who have otherwise displayed amazing feats of courage, strength, and skill. Napoleon Bonaparte, Theodore Roosevelt, Manfred von Richthofen, George Patton, Desmond Doss, Nikolai Tesla, JRR Tolkien, Jesus Christ Himself. The knights, vikings, saints, scientists, and warriors of the past. The Tater is not one of those men. The Tater preys on insecurity, just like how cults such as Scientology prey on insecurity. Even Colonel fucking Sanders would be a better role model than Andrew Tate.

 

[SNEED.EXE]

 

[Adam Basile Woodrow]

Alex Jones sucking Tates Dick
I'm only 5 minutes in and I can't hear it anymore

 

[CAPTAIN HAPPY]

Glad Tate is uniting all the right wing reprobates under his flag of pride.
Here's hoping the right will cleanse itself faster because of it.

 

[Debbie Macomber]

The thread's getting dull, so back to the Islamasperging

@CAPTAIN MATI
I looked into the theory you mentioned that the Quran is translated from Aramaic, but it seems the duel meanings in Arabic and Aramaic have more to do with Arabic and Aramaic themselves being related. The translation/originally Christian theory seems pretty fringe in academia

 

[Sinner's Sandwich]

The thread's getting dull, so back to the Islamasperging

So because you are bored you want to derail the thread with muslim garbage?

 

[CAPTAIN HAPPY]

I looked into the theory you mentioned that the Quran is translated from Aramaic, but it seems the duel meanings in Arabic and Aramaic have more to do with Arabic and Aramaic themselves being related. The translation/originally Christian theory seems pretty fringe in academia.

It's not as much fringe as it is new. Academia can blow its own ass, since they've been bombarding the Bible with criticism for centuries now, and they were right to do so. But Islam? You can hardly find a scholar who has done any study of the qran at all, who was not pressed down by the heads of academia to cease and desist in fear of losing funding from the oil shakes, of whose investments in western academia also hardly anyone talks about. The only proper scholars who did the most legit work on the qran are decades too old and most of them, if not all, are dead now. Ever since the oil shakes started giving out moneys, academia has been ignoring any real insight into the matter. And whatever you do, DO NOT TRUST any muslim scholars in academia. There was a huge scandal just a few years back when one of their prized bitches Yasir Quadhi went on a podcast and flat out said they lie to the public about the qran. These days the qran is being researched not by academia, but by a handful of amateurs carrying on the work of those old scholars who had the balls to study that piece of shit book.
Aramaic is the precursor to Arabic. Arabic itself has greatly evolved after the composition of the qran, since the book was put to word from oral tradition about 7th-8th century, while Arabic diacritics became a thing only about 2 centuries later. On a separate note it is a kick in the ass to muslims who say the qran was perfectly preserved down to the letter over the centuries, but only if you skip the first 2 where there were no diacritics. Stupid retards.
On an even more interesting note, the qran it its Arabic form, while told by muslims to be a very beautiful book of poetry, it actually sucks ass. It's a terrible book because of a very, very lazy translation from its Aramaic origins. Any non cultist Arab will tell you this. The problem deepens as there are a lot of words in the qran that the Arabs themselves do not know the meaning of, but which, apparently, if retranslated through Aramaic become pretty clear and even the qran itself become more understandable, easier to read and even less violent.
The qran's Christian connection is a whole other thing. There's not just Christian connections there, but Jewish ones too, probably more than Christianity. There are also all sort of pagan connections in islam as well, since they just fucking stole and adapted any idea they found, but they were too lazy to implement them all into a cohesive ideology.

Also, to weave back into the subject, there's a 3rd part of the Tate doc by Common Sense Sceptic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hso5FknBtRk&ab_channel=CommonSenseSkeptic

 

[Adam Basile Woodrow]

Can someone please save the interview, every time i install it is not smooth.

 

[MS Paint Gigachad]

Even Colonel fucking Sanders would be a better role model than Andrew Tate.

Even? EVEN?? I think you misspelled "Especially"!

Do NOT slander our guy Colonel Harland D Sanders like that.

Our man
- Started a successful restaurant
- perfected his recipe
- sold rights to use his recipe
- made a successful chain from that
- rigorously criticized his franchaisees
- cursed a japanese baseball team from beyond the grave for throwing his effigy into a river

This man is a HUSTLER. An absolute Top G for sure. If he's not a fucking role model, I don't know who is.

 

[FBI-chan]

Even? EVEN?? I think you misspelled "Especially"!

Do NOT slander our guy Colonel Harland D Sanders like that.

Our man
- Started a successful restaurant
- perfected his recipe
- sold rights to use his recipe
- made a successful chain from that
- rigorously criticized his franchaisees
- cursed a japanese baseball team from beyond the grave for throwing his effigy into a river

This man is a HUSTLER. An absolute Top G for sure. If he's not a fucking role model, I don't know who is.

Definitely. He had anger issues and cycled through many jobs because he was constantly getting fired for his attitude problems. A lot can probably relate to that. As a lawyer he fist fought his own client. He once shot a business rival. But Colonel Sanders kept working hard and eventually found success.

 

[James done did it]

Well my dude
Tate is in MY country and corrupting OUR women, I don't like rich gayniggers from outtaspace the West coming here to act all gangsta an' sheeit.
He's also involved with local criminality, gypsy clans, and he is obviously maliciously persuading very poor local girls to go into cam and porn.
Some of these girls are religious and did not want to, as seen in his text leaks, but they are also poor and desperate, and he couldn't care less, cause he's profit driven and has no morality whatsoever.
I don't like this sort of shit. We should deport him to the West where he belongs, and make sure to expropriate him enough to pay his victims.

idk I think him being murdered by gypsies in prison would be the best possible end to all of this.

He moved to Romania because he thought you could rape girls there and get away with it. He's a "ACKSHULLY, I'M TECHNICALLY NOT A PEDOPHILE BECAUSE 14 YEAR OLD GIRLS ARE LEGAL IN THIS COUNTRY" pedophile. His wealth is based conning poor, desperate or stupid females, many of whom were minors into showing off their bodies to porn addicts who he then sexted himself. That and investing in shady gypsy casinos that rob retarded pensioners. He leveraged that into renting cars, a yacht, and other symbols of wealth while living in a converted old warehouse near a cemetery in Bucharest. Then he leveraged that into being the fake dad to teenage incels and the penultimate grift, selling get rich quick scheme 'education'. Nothing he has ever done at any stage of his life has added any value at all to any human society.

It's ironic that he cries so much about muh matrix, muh west degeneracy, when he is basically the lowest level agent of that entire matrix scheme by promoting sexual degeneracy through pornography. All pornographers, pimps and other whoremongers deserve death. Don't really care about the personal context beyond that point. Andrew Tate is an obvious subhuman and if you can't immediately identify that you are probably one as well.

 

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Andrew Tate: Chats in 'War Room' suggest dozens of women groomed (Archive)​

Evidence that dozens of women were groomed into online sex work by members of influencer Andrew Tate's "War Room" group has been uncovered by the BBC.

Leaked internal chat logs identify 45 potential victims between March 2019 and April 2020 but the total number is likely to be higher.

The texts also appear to show the techniques used by War Room members to exploit possible victims.
Mr Tate denies any wrongdoing and says he is prepared to defend his innocence.

Warning: Some readers may find details of this report disturbing

A statement issued by his press officer said the BBC's findings represent "another brazen attempt to present one-sided, unverified" allegations against him.

The 36-year-old former kickboxer has been charged in Romania with rape and human trafficking.
On 4 August he was released from house arrest pending his trial. Last week details of graphic evidence compiled by Romanian prosecutors were revealed by the BBC.

His brother Tristan and two associates also face charges. All have denied the allegations.
The BBC's latest investigation - outlined in the documentary Andrew Tate: The Man Who Groomed the World? - centres on 12,000 pages of encrypted Telegram messages sent by hundreds of War Room members.

However the BBC's access to the logs was limited to those sent over a period of 13 months - so the total number of women possibly targeted and exploited by the group, which was formed in 2019, could be much higher.

Mr Tate says the War Room - which costs $8,000 (£6,300) a year to join - is a network of powerful men and those who want to learn from them.

"The War Room promotes self-discipline, motivation and confidence building whilst giving members access to thousands of professionals from around the world who encourage personal responsibility and accountability, emphasising the importance of taking ownership of your choices and actions," the statement issued by Mr Tate reads.
However, the leaked online chats indicate the War Room teaches members through its so-called "PhD" course - the initials stand for "Pimpin' Hoes Degree" - how to groom women into sex work.

Members are instructed by some of the War Room leadership - known as "generals" - to romantically seduce, emotionally manipulate and socially isolate women before luring them into performing on webcams - often taking all or most of the money they make.

While most media attention around the organisation has focused on the Tate brothers, the BBC's investigation found that a self-proclaimed "wizard" who goes by the alias "Iggy Semmelweiss" appears to be the War Room's true leader and intellectual driving force.

The messages - exclusively obtained by the BBC - suggest violence against women was taught and encouraged by some of Mr Tate's "generals".
Among them were photographs of a woman bent over with serious bruising and cuts to her backside and the tagline "Who me?".

Another post sent by a leading member who uses the alias "Joe Lampton" described how he reacted to a complaint from a woman who worked for him. "I took her keyboard and hit her in the head with it," the message read. "She went into the room and worked 7 hours without any break."

Our investigation has found that as of August 2022 there were 434 War Room members around the world. While not all members of the War Room will act on its teachings, we were able to identify many of the women possibly groomed by members of the group, plus a further 29 women who were targeted over the same period.

The BBC spoke to two women who said they were exploited by War Room members. Although they live thousands of miles apart, their stories indicate the men were following the same tactics.

Both women said they initially believed they were in a romantic relationship with these men - who then began gradually manipulating them into sex work, a strategy known as the "loverboy method".

"He used sex a lot to manipulate me," says "Maria" - not her real name - from Buenos Aires, Argentina.
The women also say they were subjected to violence, isolated from friends and forced to perform menial tasks to demonstrate their subservience.

"Amanda" - also a pseudonym - who lives on the west coast of the US, says she gave away up to 80% of what she earned at any one time - a total of $95,000 - to two War Room members.

Amanda told the BBC she was slapped across the face by a "general" who exploited her and showed us photographs of bruising. She said: "He had control of everything."

According to the leaked chats, War Room members appear to believe they are performing "Pavlovian conditioning" on women - "this is how you train dogs", one leaked message reads. Instructions are typically provided by "generals".
Their grooming method includes "tests of submission" such as getting women to tattoo the War Room members' initials on their bodies.

Eli, a whistleblower who says he spent two years as the Tate organisation's head of sales and marketing, told the BBC: "The War Room is all about you getting women that serve you in your life." Eli says he was "brainwashed" by the Tate group, which he describes as a "cult".

Eli also described the role of "Iggy Semmelweiss" within the War Room. Asked who was really in charge of the group, the whistleblower said: "Iggy is at the top."

"Iggy's" real name is Miles Sonkin. Born in Chicago, Illinois, in 1961, he is a former member of at least two alleged cults, he developed an interest in the far right in the 2000s and appears to have met Andrew Tate around 2018. Soon after, Mr Tate started selling his own courses and the War Room was established in 2019.

Mr Sonkin sends all new members of the War Room a reading list and a manifesto outlining the group's agenda.
When confronted by the BBC outside his home in Los Angeles, California, Mr Sonkin did not comment.
However, it is Andrew Tate - with his 7.6 million Twitter followers and legions of fans who wish to emulate his lifestyle - who remains the group's focal point, despite his upcoming trial.

In the statement, his spokeswoman said the BBC's findings "not only present false accusations, but insult the massive community that considers Andrew Tate a life changing positive force". The statement adds that Mr Tate "is prepared to take all necessary legal actions to defend his innocence and hold accountable those responsible for defamatory claims".
The BBC's investigation suggests his fame is being used to sell a method of abuse to men around the world.

 

[The Reddest Red 0ne]

You are extremely naive. Muslim apologetics community is completely brainless, they absolutely do not care about someone breaking rules of Islam or lying about contents of the Quran as long as it attracts new converts. The only way Tate will ever be attacked by them is if he became an apostate, desecrated the Quran or went on a hour long rant on prophet Muhammad.

“Religion of peace.”

 

[Vect]

Pimpin' Hoes Degree. This is dinosaur brain bullshit.

The fact that sex cults like NXVIM can go for years undetected or under the radar makes me believe that there are probably hundreds of these kinds of groups and Tate was one of the few with little enough sense to draw attention to himself.

 

[William Tyndale]

I think Andrew Tate is a degenerate POS as much as the next guy, but adults don’t get “groomed.” They get talked into it. And if you get talked into it then it’s your own damn fault.

 

[Gloria The Glorious]

I think Andrew Tate is a degenerate POS as much as the next guy, but adults don’t get “groomed.” They get talked into it. And if you get talked into it then it’s your own damn fault.

You can be an adult and a victim of grooming.

 

[Boglim Enthusiast]

Wow the BBC took a break from creating pedo hosts for it's network to actually do some journalism.

Pimpin' Hoes Degree. This is dinosaur brain bullshit.

This and a wizard named Iggy, how retarded was this whole operation.