Andrew Torba / Gab (Gab.com / Gab.ai) / Dissenter (dissenter.com) - An incompetent captain sinking millions of other people's dollars.

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Was watching the Rekeita stream today where they were discussing the Jussie verdict. They talked about how Torba is wasting his time fighting against other alt tech sites rather than trying to take down Twitter, the main enemy of everyone sane in America.

I do get Torba's newsletters or emails and it does feel like he is developing some sort of messianic complex that will make him go full retard at some time into a purist and alienate a lot of folks.
 
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Andrew Torba verified Nick Fuentes on GAB and made new users to automatically follow his account. One month later Nick thanked him in his own groyper way.
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Andrew Torba was excited that all the groypers started using gab after they could not make twitter accounts anymore and reposted some of the new groyper accounts. Groypers showed everyone why GAB is the future of alt-tech with their high IQ optical posts.
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Groypers excited to be on GAB.
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Now watch their money mysteriously get siphoned into some far-away place...

It's a shame that you cannot even have a banking service without it being politicized.
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Up until the 20th century usury was considered a weapon of war and a tool of politics, not a fact of the fabric of life. It never stopped being one, we just lost the context to remember what it really means to control the money supply.
 
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"How does this help the parallel economy?"

Torba: "Lol it gives me money."

Nice. Sadly this doesn't at all solve the problem of payment processor cancellation so there's nothing "parallel" about it. He has created a business designed from the ground up to turn away all of his potential customers, which is really genius.

I am not a finance expert or anything like that and I don't intend to give anyone any financial advice. Here I'm just spitballing about the matter as a layman. I know basically fuckall about finance and banking but I think this is basically what Torba is setting up, and it's disappointing if I'm right.

But first, here's roughly how ecommerce works from what I've gathered through some googling. To allow people to pay or your things on the internet, you need a payment processor to accept card information, an account provider (gives the business an account for customer money to go to,) and some intermediary (payment gateway) to get the customer's payment into your account.

1. To accept payments you need a payment gateway, which utilizes payment processors and networks (Visa, Mastercard, and so on) to accept card details and send payments to business accounts. Gateways are the things you put your card details into when you hit the "Checkout" button. This is the point of failure for high-risk or dissident businesses because Visa can refuse to process cards for you or the gateway itself can stop doing business with you, preventing anyone from paying your business account.

2. Next, to receive payments, you need an account provider. There are a couple of ways to set up an account for customer payments. First, you could use a payment aggregator (PayPal, Stripe, etc.) An aggregator sends all payments to its own accounts and lets you draw from them, bypassing banks. This is sort of a problem because your money is at the mercy of PayPal or whatever and they can place whatever holds they wish on your account.

Alternatively, you could get an individual merchant account under an acquirer bank. This gives you more autonomy over your cash; however, you still need a payment processor to accept your business in order to receive payments (basically you need your payment gateway + processor.) Either way, no matter which account provider you choose, you need Mastercard/Visa to not cancel you in order to run your business.

That's it for my retard explanation of ecommerce. Now, this is what I think Torba is doing with Gab Pay.

First of all, Gab Pay is not the same thing as the Gab Pay app. Gab Pay is Torba's weird bank partnership and vetting system. The app is just his own version of cashapp that lets you wire money.

This is what the other Gab Pay probably is: Torba is making an account provider that uses a third party bank (acquirer bank) to give merchant accounts to applicant businesses after a vetting process. This does not solve the problem of Mastercard cancelling right wing businesses; it only saves people's time and screens out businesses that Mastercard is likely to cancel. In short, if Mastercard would cancel you on Pay Pal or any other service, they would cancel you on Gab Pay, and so the acquirer bank that Torba is partnering with will simply reject your application. There is no way that this helps dissidents any better than a web page that simply says: "IF YOU ARE RACIST DO NOT RUN A BUSINESS BECAUSE MASTERCARD WILL CANCEL YOU."

Functionally all this does is that it allows normies to run online grift shops while Torba collects fees instead of Pay Pal. It does not allow right wingers to run independent wrongthink book publishers or nazbol merch stores. This is a totally redundant service tantamount to a grift.

The same could be said about Gab Pay's app, which is, again, just Cash App. Perhaps he might hook it into the merchant account somehow and make an alternative payment gateway that lets you directly wire de monies into a business's merchant account -- but until then, it's pointless. I don't know if that's even legal to be honest.

All told this is a very classically "Torba" venture.
 
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Hope the new year is prosperous. https://news.gab.com/2022/01/04/gab-is-a-sleeping-giant/

Gab Is a Sleeping Giant​

JANUARY 4, 2022
A record number of Americans “quit their jobs” this November, or that is to say they were either forced to quit their jobs or got fired for refusing to inject themselves with an experimental substance. Millions more are biding their time as our federal government tries to force businesses with over 100 employees to mandate vaccination in order to retain employment. Soon the parallel economy I’ve been writing about won’t just be an idea, it will become necessary. That’s why we have been working so hard over the past year to build the tools and infrastructure to power this parallel economy.
Tens of millions of us are never getting the vaccine. Millions more are never getting another one and they too will soon be labeled “unvaccinated” like the rest of us. After two years of tyranny people are starting to wake up from the spell of mass formation psychosis that has been cast on our society by the ruling regime. Those of us who are awake to what is going on have been very patient, and must continue to be, with those who are still sheepishly going along with this madness. It does not matter when people wake up only that they wake up and when they do we will embrace them with the loving arms of Truth.
Gab is a sleeping giant that is about to awaken. Every month tens of millions of people use Gab to get access to information, people, and news that they can’t get anywhere else. Gab is about to become one of the top 1,000 websites on the entire internet and our growth doesn’t show any signs of stopping.
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On Gab you’ll find dissident medical doctors who challenge the medical establishment. You’ll find dissident political thinkers who challenge the political establishment and dissident members of Congress who challenge the Congressional establishment. You’ll find dissident media outlets who challenge the mainstream media establishment along with normal everyday people just like you who are sick and tired of being gaslit and demonized by the Oligarchs on Big Tech platforms.
Gab has the network effects that no other alternative platform offers. Gab has the resiliency that no other alternative platform has. Gab has an authentic and organic community of real people that no other alternative platform has. Gab is the market leader not because we have better technology (we do) but because we are the only true free speech platform on the internet. We have paid the price dearly for this by being banned from app stores, payment processors, and even banks, which is how you know we are the real deal.
Gab is set to dramatically impact the 2022 election in a big way. To my knowledge we have over 50 candidates from around the country running for office. They are organizing, fundraising, and building community on Gab without permission from Silicon Valley. By this time next year the new Congress is set to be the Gab Congress and no one even realizes it yet, but they will soon.
So to my fellow Gabbers: this is our year. This is the year we rise up peacefully and exit the systems of control owned by God’s enemies. This is the year that the tide turns and people say enough is enough. I encourage you to please tell a friend or family member about Gab this week. 100% of our growth is powered by word of mouth and has been for five years now. I also encourage you learn how to get Gab on your mobile phone here so you can help others do so when you tell them about Gab.
We are only just getting started and I can’t wait to continue building the parallel economy to defend free speech and preserve our humanity with you all.
To God by the glory,

Andrew Torba
CEO, Gab.com
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Now we're getting purity tests. https://news.gab.com/2022/01/10/the-real-big-tech-exodus/

The Real Big Tech Exodus​

JANUARY 10, 2022
One year ago this week the largest Big Tech exodus in history occurred when millions of people joined Gab. Two perfect storm events led to this inflection point and awakening of the masses. First, Donald Trump was banned from Facebook, Twitter, and the rest of the internet while he was still a sitting President. At the same time Parler, the darling of the conservative establishment billionaire class, was removed from the internet by Amazon, Apple, and Google.
Both of these events were the shots heard around the internet and shocked millions of people into finally taking action and leaving Big Tech platforms for good. Gab was their only option and Gab remains the only option for those seeking a true unwavering commitment to free speech online.
These events weren’t a surprise to me. I knew from first hand experience that Parler stood no chance at challenging Big Tech platforms while being fully dependent and built on top of Big Tech infrastructure. I had already tried this with Gab early on and failed when the Regime banned us from App Stores, hosting services, payment processors, and much more back in 2018. Any platform that depends on Big Tech hosting and Big Tech app stores is doomed to failure. You must unapologetically stand firm in your principles and build your own infrastructure separate from Big Tech systems completely in order to have a free speech platform.
Months after being removed from the internet Parler returned, this time with a “troll filter” and artificial intelligence to remove “hate speech” on demand for Apple. They bent the knee, and they paid the price for it. Today Parler’s traffic is a mere shadow of what it once was. This blog you are reading right now gets more views every month than all of Parler. It turns out that censoring “hate speech” in order to get back into Apple’s good graces wasn’t the best business decision.
Yet only a year later it seems that conservatives have still not learned their lesson. Up pops former CNN contributor Jason Miller’s Chinese billionaire-funded Gettr claiming to be a “free speech” platform. What Miller doesn’t tell you is that Gettr depends on Amazon AWS for hosting along with Apple and Google App Stores for distribution, just like Parler did.
To Gettr “free speech” is nothing more than a marketing slogan to lure you into their beltway establishment hug box run by leftists pretending to be conservatives.
Gettr is already banning America First patriots for no reason.
Gettr is shadowbanning reporters who ask why.
Gettr is banning certain words they do not like.
Gettr is using Artificial Intelligence to ban “hate speech” just like Facebook and Twitter.

The real Big Tech Exodus is authentic and it has staying power.​

Our movement is not some astroturfed grift by billionaires who do the same things Big Tech does.
It’s real people, leading a real movement, defending real free speech.
Claiming to be a “free speech” platform for marketing points isn’t going to fool anyone for very long, as Parler learned the hard way and as Gettr is learning now. If you are going to actually defend free speech online for all people then you better be willing to pay the cost of doing so. It’s not as simple as building your own social network and slapping some “free speech” marketing on it. You have to be willing to build your own parallel internet in order to defend a terms of service that explicitly protects all political speech and that’s exactly what Gab is doing. In fact, Gab is the only one doing this.
I’m glad that more Big Tech alternatives are being created, but as I have written in the past I won’t stand by and watch good people be lied to and misled by billionaires trying to grift them. I have been praying for five years that others find the courage to build on top of the same principles that Gab has, the principles that make America great. Thus far all that has been presented by the market is astroturfed grift by shadowy billionaires.
Gab doesn’t have a billionaire behind us pulling all the strings. We don’t have Wall Street. We don’t have multi-national corporations. We don’t need them, because what we have is you. Gab is funded by people like you. It is used by people like you. It is marketed by people like you. It is owned by people like you.
I’m not some DC insider. I don’t come from money. I’m a blue collar dad running Gab from the middle of the woods on a homestead with my family. I’m not building Gab to make more money for some billionaire. I’m building Gab to defend free speech on the internet for all people. Our mission has been the same for five and a half years now and our commitment to that mission is why despite having multiple billionaires trying to subvert our movement they have all failed and will continue to.
Their definition of success is much different than Gab’s. Their mission is much different than Gab’s. You can put “free speech” lipstick on a pig, but ultimately it will still be a pig. Gab is the real deal and real people know it, which is why we continue to grow without any marketing budget or access to app stores or the right wing media machine behind us.
If you want to help us continue to grow and provide the only true free speech alternative on the internet then please tell a friend or family member about Gab this week. All of our growth is powered by word of mouth advertising. If you tell three people about Gab and they tell three people suddenly Gab starts growing very quickly in a way that the Regime cannot stop. They can ban us from running ads in all of the usual places to get the word out about Gab, but they can’t ban you from telling your friends about us.
If you want to help us expand our servers, hire more engineers, and grow the site please consider upgrading to GabPRO or advertising your business on Gab. We don’t have billionaires to fall back on.
Gab is years ahead of anyone else trying to imitate what we are doing. This quarter we will be launching GabPay, our Paypal alternative as well as Gab Marketplace. These two projects are going to introduce the world to the Parallel Economy that is thriving on Gab. We can’t wait to continue building and growing with you, so be sure to tell a friend about Gab today and join the real Big Tech exodus.
Andrew Torba
CEO, Gab.com
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Alt Tech Phonies: Gettr and Rumble​

JANUARY 13, 2022
Just days after joining the grift operation Gettr, Joe Rogan slammed the platform this week calling it “fugazi” and was questioning live on his show about how to leave the platform. As I mentioned earlier this week former CNN contributor Jason Miller’s Chinese billionaire-funded Gettr is falsely claiming to be a “free speech” platform and an alternative to Big Tech, but nothing could be further from the truth.
Gettr not only depends on Amazon AWS for hosting along with Apple and Google App Stores for distribution, but the app is also tracking users for Facebook and Google according to a bombshell report from Talk Liberation Investigates.
As I have written in the past I have no problem with competition. Competition is great and encourages our team to work harder to provide the best product on the market. What I do have a problem with is grifters, hypocrites, and liars. I know many good and decent people will be signing up for Gettr at the behest of the talking heads they trust on Fox News and elsewhere. I think they deserve to know exactly what they are getting into.
Some Key Findings from the report include:
-Numerous trackers from Facebook, Google, and other third parties are embedded in GETTR web and smartphone apps.
-App permissions facilitate the surveillance of a wide variety of information about GETTR users, including fine-grained behavior and location data. This data is then used to profile users and shared with third parties.
-“Getome,” a previous version of the GETTR app that targeted Chinese-language audiences, is still published in Google Play and effectively provides a backdoor to GETTR. Users can log in and interact on the GETTR network via the Getome app, bypassing updates on the newer application.
-Content on GETTR such as news is loaded directly from external sources, opening connections between GETTR users to dozens of domains. This introduces serious privacy and security risks. Some of this content is delivered via unencrypted HTTP, further jeopardizing users.
-GETTR infrastructure is hosted by cloud vendors such as Amazon AWS and company email accounts are hosted by Google.
On top of this report, there has been extensive coverage about Gettr’s rampant censorship.
Gettr is already banning America First patriots for no reason.
Gettr is shadowbanning reporters who ask why.
Gettr is banning certain words they do not like.
Gettr is using Artificial Intelligence to ban “hate speech” just like Facebook and Twitter.
Gettr banned a black conservative for using a word they didn’t like in his account bio.
Another fake in the alternative technology space is Rumble. Rumble positions themselves as the “free speech” Youtube alternative. Conservative talking heads from Fox News have been pushing it for the past year and earlier this summer President Trump joined the platform. On the day that President Trump joined the platform Rumble updated their terms of service to ban “hate speech.”
I was watching an interview with Tim Pool and the CEO of Rumble last night and it was really something. Tim pressed him on why their terms of service are exactly the same as Big Tech’s by banning things like “hate speech.” He correctly stated that Rumble is adopting the censorship language of the left.
The CEO of Rumble said that their terms of service are “legacy” from when they launched in 2013 (which is a lie because they added the hate speech rules on the day President Trump joined Rumble recently,) and mentioned three times that they have to ban “hate speech” in order to stay on the Apple and Google app stores.
So the reality is Rumble and Gettr are platforms that are de facto owned and operated by Apple and Google. If you have the same Silicon Valley rules in order to play in the Silicon Valley sandbox, you are necessarily part of the Silicon Valley swamp.
If you see someone promoting Gettr or Rumble as a “free speech alternatives to Big Tech” feel free to send them the information on this post, and then tell them about Gab.com. The home of free speech online with the battle scars to prove it.
These are problems Gab doesn’t have, because unlike Rumble, Parler, and Gettr: Gab has a backbone and principles.
Gab is a First Amendment company which means we tolerate “offensive” but legal speech. We believe that a moderation policy which adheres to the First Amendment, thereby permitting offensive content to rise to the surface, is a valuable and necessary utility to society.
It allows unorthodox but correct views, such as the Wuhan Lab Origin Theory that was banned on Twitter and YouTube but permitted on Gab, to propagate.
It allows hateful ideas, such as anti-White CRT, to be exposed and subject to scrutiny and challenge. It also allows Americans, and others around the world, to enjoy the full measure of their human right to speak freely online.
Gab is the ONLY platform that stood up to censorship and said NO to:
–Apple and Google
–Visa, Paypal, and dozens of processors
-Cloud hosting providers
-Email services
–Banks
-The mainstream media
–The nation state of Germany
-The ADL and SPLC
-Fellow “conservatives”
–Congress
We don’t just talk the talk, we walk the walk. If you want to offer the world a free speech platform you’re going to pay the consequences. You need to be willing to take heat from Apple, Google, banks, and even foreign governments. Gab did, and will continue to do so.
Which is why Gab is the number one and only free speech alternative to Big Tech.
Andrew Torba
CEO, Gab.com
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Welcome to the crosshairs. https://news.gab.com/2022/01/13/alt-tech-phonies-gettr-and-rumble/
 
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Gab’s Response to the Washington Post​

JANUARY 13, 2022
This afternoon I received an email from the Washington Post. I’m going to publish it here and share my response in full.
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Hi Andrew,
We’re working on a story about how pro-Trump and conservative commentators, influencers and content creators have seen their audiences change on Gab, Gettr, Rumble and Telegram over the last year. We analyzed the data for 47 accounts on those sites and found that, for the most part, everyone saw a big jump in followers or subscribers when Trump was banned from the mainstream sites after Jan. 6; the accounts’ follower growth dramatically stalled and plateaued over the rest of the year; and the few big follower jumps we’ve seen in recent months have mostly come as a response to the bans of high-profile conservatives like Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene on Twitter and Facebook.
The sites themselves do appear to be growing, but some of the more prominent pro-Trump figures were analyzed have seen their growth rates become very slow or even decline.
For Gab specifically, Alex Jones, who joined in 2016, went from gaining roughly 25,000 followers a month in the first quarter of 2021 to about 1,000 followers a month for the rest of the year, the data show. The Gab follower counts for some prominent QAnon promoters have also grown by 1 percent or less per month since last spring.
Have you seen that trend? What do you think explains it?
Does this call into question the ability of alt-tech sites to be able to build an audience or a business long-term – and if not, why?
Some experts told us that these platforms focused on conservative politics are naturally limited in their appeal. There’s also a good amount of competition among them, and they’re in conflict with some giant, years-old platforms where many users already have established accounts and relationships. Any thoughts on those arguments?
I’m also planning to include your comments about Gettr (“The Regime is in panic mode. So out comes Grifter to distract the masses.”). Anything you can elaborate on? Why do you think Gettr is a grift, and is the same true about “TRUTH Social”? I know you’ve spoken about this elsewhere, but I’d appreciate anything you can tell me here or link me to.
Any other responses or context we should note?
Thanks for any information you can share, and please let us know if you’d have a moment to talk. Our deadline is tomorrow at 12 p.m. EST.
Drew Harwell
When Big Tech bans, Gab expands.
100% of our explosive growth is being propelled by the unforced errors of Silicon Valley. Tens of millions of people are visiting Gab every month because Gab is the one place on the internet where the free flow of information exists beyond the control of the Regime. Gab is the one and only platform to not bend the knee to the mainstream media, Apple and Google App Stores, banks, payment processors, Congress, and even the entire nation state of Germany.
Outlets like yours rightfully view Gab as a threat to your business because of this, and you should. In November 2021 the Washington Post had 116 million visits according to Similarweb. Gab had 70 million. This month we are on pace to have 90m+ visits and with election season in full swing we don’t see our growth slowing down anytime soon.
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I can and will send my response to you out with one click right now and get more traffic than your article will before it is even published.
Your outlet is 144 years old. I founded Gab 5 years ago and run it from my basement in the middle of the woods.
Gab now has well over 50 candidates in the 2022 election using the platform along with multiple members of Congress and the biggest dissident voices on the internet all in one spot. We have medical doctors, nurses, and hundreds of thousands of people who do not support nor want to inject themselves with an experimental vaccine joining our platform. These people are from all different political backgrounds, beliefs, and creeds.

The growth and engagement of one small subset of 47 commentators is irrelevant to Gab’s growth overall as a free speech platform for all people. If you want my personal opinion as to why pro-Trump commentators aren’t growing as fast on alt-tech platforms it’s really very simple. President Trump has turned into a vaccine salesman which is a total and complete disconnect with the overwhelming vast majority of his voting base. I say this as someone who voted for him twice.
His non-stop vaccine shilling has turned many of his supporters off completely. You can see this plainly in the comment section of the statements that are published to his reserved Gab account. As a Regime propaganda outlet I understand that you are trying to craft a narrative that alt-tech is shrinking and doomed because pro-Trump commentators are shrinking, but the numbers and reality show a much different situation here.
People aren’t and never were coming to Gab for an online Trump rally.
People are coming to Gab for the Truth and to speak freely.
You can read more of my thoughts on Gettr and Rumble here:
https://news.gab.com/2022/01/13/alt-tech-phonies-gettr-and-rumble/
Andrew Torba
CEO, Gab.com
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