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But the experience they gain is invaluable. By which I mean not valuable.
Animator claims those working on the Pokemon anime make less than a part-time convenience store worker
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Because they (or at least did) love their job probably. I remember reading an article where a western animator who did cartoons became a anime animator and moved to Japan to follow his passion, they said something to the effect of "I am fulfilled as an artist, but I am as poor as someone living in poverty".
The Japanese entertainment industry is just kind of fucked when it comes to manga and anime, it is purely a passion driven profession that maybe will get you recognized. Too bad you basically need to work to the bone every single day for a decade plus if you become popular on the level of say Naruto or One Piece. One of those authors, I think it was One Piece's, didn't even take his honeymoon for almost a decade because he was working on his manga so much and he has worked on One Piece since 1997 and it shows no signs of stopping.
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Not surprised. Outside of Studio Ghibli hiring full-time animators and giving them an actual salary, just about every other animation studio pays you peanuts by the frame. You get somewhat of an actual salary when you're a director or key animator of sorts, but that's about it. Everyone else is a grunt and will commonly sleep at their desks when they can't stay awake anymore or because they might legitimately be homeless because they can't afford an apartment. OLM not changing a decades-long tradition (thanks, Tezuka) of them constantly cutting corners despite Pokemon being a multi-billion-dollar franchise doesn't mean a thing to them. Toei has fucking Dragon Ball and does the same thing.
The bubble is going to burst sooner or later, and the animator shortages are going to really show. I'm thinking OLM's been working with other studios as of late because of this, but at least the art's pretty amirite.
It was either Masashi Kishimoto or Tite Kubo.
The bubble is going to burst sooner or later, and the animator shortages are going to really show. I'm thinking OLM's been working with other studios as of late because of this, but at least the art's pretty amirite.
It was either Masashi Kishimoto or Tite Kubo.
Its perplexing how insane Japanese work ethic and their loyalty to their employer is. People look up to the Japs for their tenacity, but it's tragically detrimental to the individual's health. There still is the mentality from war time where workers only blame themselves and not their employeer for underperforming, and they look down on people asking for better work condition and look up to people literally overworking to the point of exhaustion in the work station. It's fucking cruel their existence. It's not just an economic or financial reason their wage is low, I seriously believe the problem is cultural, and honestly I don't know how you can alleviate this issue, especially since some people straight up delude themselves into thinking that they aren't being underpaid. Even in their legal system, the accused can sometimes convince themselves that they are guilty just because they were brought to court.
I don't want to blame the low wages on entirely on the workers, that's not what I'm suggesting. But from what I've experienced and read, the work culture really feeds into these horrible job conditions. The Japanese truely do live in a society
I don't want to blame the low wages on entirely on the workers, that's not what I'm suggesting. But from what I've experienced and read, the work culture really feeds into these horrible job conditions. The Japanese truely do live in a society
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And they still make more than Dobson just by virtue of being employed
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Legit curious how much a guy drawing cartoon porn in Japan makes. Or, is it a situation where they do it for the love of the craft?
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It varies from person to person, and from studio to studio. Some animators like working on it because they got into animation from a young age or because they like drawing things they like. On the studio front, how much they pay exactly differs from place to place, but it's typically within the range of 3-5000 yen ($27-45 USD) per cut for key animators and 2-300 yen ($2-3 USD) per inbetween (2nd key drawings, aka the cleanup of keyframe drawings, is usually just slightly below that of a keyframe animator fee wise). Using animation contractor Nakamura Production as an example (in part because they're one of the only studios I've noticed that openly state their fees), their rates are roughly around what I just said in terms of payout, and they employ a full-time staff instead of bringing on freelancers. Conversely, TMS apparently paid animators who worked on Detective Conan pretty poorly too, even those working for other studios.
Now obviously, I don't know what the handout at OLM is like regarding animation payout, but if Pokemon animators are complaining about it, then it's probably below industry standards, even if only very slightly. But I've heard of situations where animators just never got paid for their work, like with Hoods Entertainment on the disaster Marchen Madchen. The Anime industry in Japan is indeed a wreck over there.
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So not only will incels not be having any real 3D women, but it looks like 2D is going to abandon them too.
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Is that a real still image from the anime these days? It looks like shit.
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That's been anime for 10 plus years.
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Interesting reading the manga artists. I read Araki's book about manga a few yeasr back, he said I think back in the 80's they were being paid $20 a page iirc so.... that's about the same as working for $15 in a major city now a days if the comics on average 22 pages a week.
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That's from the redesign during the SM seasons. It looks like crap in stills, but it actually works better in motion. Which was their intention- to make the show actually, well, animate better than it used to be.
Ah, good old fashioned Korean outsourcing.
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Judging by the godawful animation in most hentai the answer must be "fuck all". It's probably one guy drawing it and one guy squeezing the sponges for the sound effects.
At least there's still Vietnam.
Isn't Korea too expensive now for outsourcing so they mostly go with Vietnam? All the 00s/early 10s shows had Korean names in the credits but now they all have Vietnamese names.
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There's also the Philippines. Does Taiwan still do outsourcing? I think the Care Bears were animated there, including some of John K's work.
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Taiwan mostly just does CGI work these days like Trollhunters. I think Wang Films is still around though, dunno what they've been up to though.
Nah, it's still Korea, Dr. Movie (responsible for that crappy Killer Queen screencap) still gets regular work for the Japanese (and on some projects for the states), and there's a few other companies that keep getting work for the Japanese too. On the American side, Rough Draft, SIMP and Digital eMation keep getting a fair bit of work.
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probably the company where it gets drained away on several levels. iirc most of it comes from blu-ray and other merch, just look at the eyewatering price of this and calculate it your local value (and I thought 35 eurobucks for 4 episodes was expensive. for some reason the uk import would only be 40 bucks for both the series + ova).
cute girls doing cute things with strict gender roles in a highly traditional and formal society? least they have cute traps I guess (if that's your thing)...
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So for reference, I don't have the sources off the top of my head, but this is what I've seen quoted on the spend/profits
Budget for a (cheap) 12 episode anime is (was?) usually in the ballpark of 200-300k USD. That's a production schedule of about 8 months. Considering that has to pay for the work of at least 20, if not more people - yes, the costs are very very VERY cheap, and labor is paid very poorly. Most anime is going to rely
There was a fantastic series of old posts by a Korean animator that ran a studio that did outsource work for both American and Japanese shows that did a breakdown of both the style of work and the monetary side of the house that I can't find right now.
Budget for a (cheap) 12 episode anime is (was?) usually in the ballpark of 200-300k USD. That's a production schedule of about 8 months. Considering that has to pay for the work of at least 20, if not more people - yes, the costs are very very VERY cheap, and labor is paid very poorly. Most anime is going to rely
There was a fantastic series of old posts by a Korean animator that ran a studio that did outsource work for both American and Japanese shows that did a breakdown of both the style of work and the monetary side of the house that I can't find right now.
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That’s why I act in the real-life version.