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Why does most anime feel so juvenile? I get that "it's just a style of animation, there's a ton of diversity," but everything I've heard about or seen feels like it's written for below-average young adults. It's always set in school with teenage characters, there's always random bullshit fantasy elements (or at least enough to give the MC some dumb superhuman power so he's "special" and "cool"), and, if there's any philosophical "theme" or meaning to the work, it's always shallow, surface-level shit that's explicitly spelled out. It really feels like YA for people who don't try to pretend to read (no offense to the weebs in this thread).
 
Why does most anime feel so juvenile? I get that "it's just a style of animation, there's a ton of diversity," but everything I've heard about or seen feels like it's written for below-average young adults. It's always set in school with teenage characters, there's always random bullshit fantasy elements (or at least enough to give the MC some dumb superhuman power so he's "special" and "cool"), and, if there's any philosophical "theme" or meaning to the work, it's always shallow, surface-level shit that's explicitly spelled out. It really feels like YA for people who don't try to pretend to read (no offense to the weebs in this thread).
….because the vast majority of popular anime literally IS written for teenagers?
 
Then why the fuck do weebs act like they're any better than bronies or whatever?
Because unlike American animation, which literally does consist entirely of children’s cartoons and juvenile adult comedy, not all anime is like that.

If you want recommendations I’m sure people in this thread can give some. I won’t, because I’m lazy. As a general rule though, anything labeled “seinen” (as opposed to shonen, which is the vast majority of the stuff non-anime fans know about) probably isn’t going to feature a teenage protagonist in a school setting because it’s targeted at an older audience.
 
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Recently started Fire Force. So far I like it, but I can't help but feel it's a little disjointed in places? I'm on episode 6 and I'm still having a hard time understanding some of the main characters, but I still enjoy it. I find the guy with the gun pretty fun, and i'm looking forward to Benimaru when he shows up.

Maybe it's the Soul Eater nostalgia still? Which I will say the first half was better than the 2nd anime wise.

Anyone got a non spoiler review or feelings about fire force for those who have seen it?
 
Happiness (Oshimi Shuzo): 10 volumes. Teenage vampires sniffing each other's crotches.
What.
Searched it up because... well... that sounds weird... and that's the same author as Chi no Wadachi (ongoing manga about BPD that I read because of this thread) and he also wrote "Inside Mari"?
This guy is fucked in the head. I'm gonna check this one out.
 
With the winter season being mostly dull, it seems we finally get something new and different for spring. The World of Otome Games is Tough for Mobs looks to be a fun series based off the first episode. It's a classic isekai underdog story with a twist. Looks promising.
 
With the winter season being mostly dull, it seems we finally get something new and different for spring. The World of Otome Games is Tough for Mobs looks to be a fun series based off the first episode. It's a classic isekai underdog story with a twist. Looks promising.
I've been watching RikeKoi S2 & Aharen-san. And the 1st episodes of both were great. Mobuseka that you mentioned was also fun to watch. I heard that I'm Quitting Hero'ing! & Tomodachi Game that are airing today are good too.
 
Why does most anime feel so juvenile? I get that "it's just a style of animation, there's a ton of diversity," but everything I've heard about or seen feels like it's written for below-average young adults. It's always set in school with teenage characters, there's always random bullshit fantasy elements (or at least enough to give the MC some dumb superhuman power so he's "special" and "cool"), and, if there's any philosophical "theme" or meaning to the work, it's always shallow, surface-level shit that's explicitly spelled out. It really feels like YA for people who don't try to pretend to read (no offense to the weebs in this thread).
Because like @Gar For Archer said, that is the Shounen genre you are describing which is literally written for teenage boys in Japan. This would include One Piece, DBZ, Full Metal Alchemist, Jujutsu Kaisen, Naruto, Bleach, Demon Slayer, Black Clover, MHA and so on.

If you want stuff for adults read Seinen. Which is manga written for Adults (18 - 40). This would include stuff like Berserk, Kingdom, Goodnight Punpun, Vagabond, Parasyte and Gantz.

Bear in mind, Many manga also blur the Seinen and Shounen genre together. Tokyo Ghoul, Attack On Titan, Hells Paradise and Chainsaw Man are ones off the top of my head that do this.

You will always find a ton more popular shounen anime adaptations because they are available to a much larger demographic. As opposed to Seinen which has a smaller demographic, (due to the age rating). There are also many more shounen anime as teenagers watch and consume much more anime than adults.
 
Because like @Gar For Archer said, that is the Shounen genre you are describing which is literally written for teenage boys in Japan. This would include One Piece, DBZ, Full Metal Alchemist, Jujutsu Kaisen, Naruto, Bleach, Demon Slayer, Black Clover, MHA and so on.

If you want stuff for adults read Seinen. Which is manga written for Adults (18 - 40). This would include stuff like Berserk, Kingdom, Goodnight Punpun, Vagabond, Parasyte and Gantz.

Bear in mind, Many manga also blur the Seinen and Shounen genre together. Tokyo Ghoul, Attack On Titan, Hells Paradise and Chainsaw Man are ones off the top of my head that do this.

You will always find a ton more popular shounen anime adaptations because they are available to a much larger demographic. As opposed to Seinen which has a smaller demographic, (due to the age rating). There are also many more shounen anime as teenagers watch and consume much more anime than adults.
Makes sense I guess.

Sorry for coming off a bit strong. Not here to shit up the thread. I'm trying to understand the appeal before I write it off entirely.
 
Why does most anime feel so juvenile? I get that "it's just a style of animation, there's a ton of diversity," but everything I've heard about or seen feels like it's written for below-average young adults. It's always set in school with teenage characters, there's always random bullshit fantasy elements (or at least enough to give the MC some dumb superhuman power so he's "special" and "cool"), and, if there's any philosophical "theme" or meaning to the work, it's always shallow, surface-level shit that's explicitly spelled out. It really feels like YA for people who don't try to pretend to read (no offense to the weebs in this thread).
I mean, 'Shonen' literally means 'Young Boy', so I don't know why you're so shocked. If you feel its too juvenille for you, go with shows/manga marked 'Seinen', which literally means young man. Its for the demo 18-40. I don't know why you're so confused about this, everything has a target audience. Shonen is always going to be more popular because its a lot simpler. And there's a lot of good Shonen out there, you just have to know your tastes.

There's also a ton of copy-cat garbage too. Some things will ride off the popularity of others. The thing is, even anime trash is better than Western trash, which is why its so popular.

Anime is (I don't care what anyone says) still very difficult to get into if you didn't consume it from an early age. You'll see newfags CONSTANTLY recommend the same anime over and over and over. Such as people who recommend 'My Hero Academia', 'Demon Slayer' or 'Attack on Titan'. They literally have no idea other anime exist. People who have been consuming anime for a long time know what they like and there's so many different niches its going to be hard to figure out.

If you want to explore anime/manga without really knowing much of anything and just going off random recommendations, you're going to have a hard time. Its like with any new hobby, you have to sift through a LOT of stuff. Its not really anything like Western comics or cartoons, which are largely similar (every 'adult' cartoon is badly drawn and badly written comedies, and every comic is pure faggotry capeshit that repeats over and over again). Which is pretty much why you can see fake fans a mile away because they only mention 2 or 3 extremely popular series and never watch anything else.

Also anime is fun because sometimes you get to view your culture through the eyes of another culture. Like watching Japanese writers try to figure out Catholicism is always hilarious to me. Or what other countries are like. (And you will notice a trend where somehow Japan is literally the center of everything ever a LOT, but tbf American entertainment always does that shit).

Honestly, the easiest way to figure out what anime you like is to figure out what stories you like in general. Its not like picking DC or Marvel, or The Simpsons or Family Guy. Do you like science fiction? Sports stories? Period dramas? Action/Gore? Weird shit? Those are the sort of questions you really need to ask yourself or you're just going to end up frustrated and confused.

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I forgot to mention a VERY important point: Anime is there to sell Manga and Light Novels, not vice versa. In the west, novels and comics are there to sell TV and Movies, which is why generally anime and manga are better, because they stick very closely to the related source material (though that doesn't mean things aren't cut out for time or budget). So you can read a manga and watch an anime, and while they might both be good and share the same plot, they'll be different experiences.

A second thing to consider, which is VERY important: Was the manga finished by the time the anime came out? This can matter a great deal, where sometimes an anime will be made before a manga is finished. I've noticed its less common now, where you'll have a full season and if there's not enough material, they'll hold off and not do 'anime only' stuff (because a lot of the times it really fucking sucks).

This is another difference too. If an anime is not wholly original, deviations from the source material are generally not good. Anime is very rarely just created whole cloth with no manga or light novels, but these projects can turn out spectacular (ID: Invaded and Psychopass). This is because studios are used to doing adaptations, and adapting and making something new are completely different. Just look at 'Game of Thrones' for an example of that.

Honestly, 'anime only' content is a lot rarer now than it was in the past. Even if a manga author loses their shit and intentionally burns their manga to the ground (or conversely, the ending is really fucking retarded. Which still kind of pisses me off that studios won't change retarded endings at all because they've become a lot more gunshy. So a great manga with a fucking awful ending will become a great anime with an awful ending), the studios will still stick to the source material (See: Attack on Titan, Food Wars and Platinum End). In the past, when a manga wasn't finished and they were doing a show, they wouldn't wait. And it didn't turn out too good. A victim of this was Akame Ga Kill! which is extremely different from anime to manga. The anime, once it runs out of material just begins to kill the ENTIRE cast off one by one. And it kind of sucks, since the manga itself finished and got a sequel and prequel, which wouldn't make any fucking sense if made now because people that are alive are dead. And unlike America, shit very very VERY rarely gets remade unless its wildly fucking popular. Because even nowadays, anime is really fucking expensive and takes a long time to make.

Again, its the complexities of the hobby that you really don't know about and can be very confusing if people just list shit off without context.
 
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Makes sense I guess.

Sorry for coming off a bit strong. Not here to shit up the thread. I'm trying to understand the appeal before I write it off entirely.
No reason to apologize man. You did not shit up the thread at all.

If I were personally going to recommend an Anime to get someone into it? I would recommend "Full Metal Alchemist Brotherhood".

Good English Dub, Is shounen but quite possibly the most well executed and complete one, Has a good plot with twists and good characters, low on the in your face anime troupes and is a nice episode length at 64 episodes.

If you have not seen it, give it a try. Just my recommendation tho.
 
I mean, 'Shonen' literally means 'Young Boy', so I don't know why you're so shocked.
Didn't know that. To me, anime was anime. People rave about how much better it is compared to modern western media but every time I try to watch one (either through recommendation or on KF movie night) I'm left unsatisfied at best.
Then again, I have my own boring tastes in media so I probably shouldn't be worrying myself about it too much and stick to the stuff I do like.
 
No reason to apologize man. You did not shit up the thread at all.

If I were personally going to recommend an Anime to get someone into it? I would recommend "Full Metal Alchemist Brotherhood".

Good English Dub, Is shounen but quite possibly the most well executed and complete one, Has a good plot with twists and good characters, low on the in your face anime troupes and is a nice episode length at 64 episodes.

If you have not seen it, give it a try. Just my recommendation tho.
FMA is one of those 'classic' ones. Though I hate to be the fucker that starts the 'sub vs. dub' debate, but I honestly can't stand dubs. FMA does have a good English dub, but it is the exception to the rule. Cowboy Bebop also has (arguably) the best dub in anime. Some would argue superior to the sub, and its hard for me to disagree.

I'd just recommend (unless you have a legitimate disability) to try and get used to subs. This is also because dubs in a lot of anime have a tendency to change the script for the worse. I've basically put dubs with subtitles on sometimes and its like I'm watching two different shows at the same time.
Didn't know that. To me, anime was anime. People rave about how much better it is compared to modern western media but every time I try to watch one (either through recommendation or on KF movie night) I'm left unsatisfied at best.
Then again, I have my own boring tastes in media so I probably shouldn't be worrying myself about it too much and stick to the stuff I do like.
That's fine. Like I said, you're going to have to think on what you generally do like in your stories and go from there. People say its easy to get into, but its honestly not. Because you're basically getting into something that is not considered for Western tastes at all (no matter what Twitter/journos think, all this stuff is made for the Japanese) and also has a different publishing dynamic. Which a lot of people don't think about, but it is a heavy influence. The values are different, the themes are different and sometimes it is just too much of a cultural difference or too much time to figure it all out than most want to be bothered.

Its not as simple as people make it out to be.

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For example, I love Berserk, Psychopass, Ghost in the Shell but I also watch romantic comedies like My Dress Up Darling. Nobody here in their right mind would recommend me My Dress Up Darling if I said I loved those three series. But I've been watching anime since I'm a kid, so I know what I like. Its going to take time to figure it all out and generally I find recommendations are only general starting points. Largely, you're going to have to jump in for yourself and experiment. And a lot of the time keep Twitter/Anime Reviews and Comments out of your head, because this shit is very much based on personal taste.
 
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Didn't know that. To me, anime was anime. People rave about how much better it is compared to modern western media but every time I try to watch one (either through recommendation or on KF movie night) I'm left unsatisfied at best.
Then again, I have my own boring tastes in media so I probably shouldn't be worrying myself about it too much and stick to the stuff I do like.
Well, at the end of the day anime most definitely is NOT for everyone. Ultimately, if you’re open-minded about it and are interested in giving it a fair shot, share some of your tastes and I’m sure people here will give you anime recs that align with what you enjoy. If you watch them and still think it’s shit, then fair’s fair, you gave it a shot and realized it just wasn’t for you.

FWIW, the statement “anime is better than Western media” is more of an indictment on the current state of Hollywood than an appraisal of anime. Because make no mistake, the vast majority of anime is total garbage. Some of it just may be garbage that you quite enjoy, unlike Western garbage which nobody enjoys, not even the Twittards who pretend to like it so that they can have the correct opinion.

re: FMA:B, I think it’s a very safe starter anime. It’s the first anime I watched. It’s very Western in its story structure, and yeah the dub is pretty good, which makes it easier to get into. Some may say it’s a bit long for a starter anime but I think that actually makes for a good metric - if you weren’t interested enough to finish all 60 episodes, then it probably wasn’t for you to begin with.
 
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FMA is one of those 'classic' ones. Though I hate to be the fucker that starts the 'sub vs. dub' debate, but I honestly can't stand dubs. FMA does have a good English dub, but it is the exception to the rule. Cowboy Bebop also has (arguably) the best dub in anime. Some would argue superior to the sub, and its hard for me to disagree.

I'd just recommend (unless you have a legitimate disability) to try and get used to subs. This is also because dubs in a lot of anime have a tendency to change the script for the worse. I've basically put dubs with subtitles on sometimes and its like I'm watching two different shows at the same time.
While I'm team subs for 99 percent of anime, I think there was something special in that time period between the late 90s to the end of the 2000s in terms of anime dubs. Everything in the 2010s minus like Space Dandy I can live without.

Didn't know that. To me, anime was anime. People rave about how much better it is compared to modern western media but every time I try to watch one (either through recommendation or on KF movie night) I'm left unsatisfied at best.
Then again, I have my own boring tastes in media so I probably shouldn't be worrying myself about it too much and stick to the stuff I do like.
It really is something you have to feel out for your own. Anime as a medium is something thats so vast and covers so many bases that there's bound to be something that appeals to you. Or you can get into manga which has a much wider variety of things to offer.
 
While I'm team subs for 99 percent of anime, I think there was something special in that time period between the late 90s to the end of the 2000s in terms of anime dubs. Everything in the 2010s minus like Space Dandy I can live without.


It really is something you have to feel out for your own. Anime as a medium is something thats so vast and covers so many bases that there's bound to be something that appeals to you. Or you can get into manga which has a much wider variety of things to offer.
Honestly, it'd probably be easier to start in manga since that's vast and really easy to slip in and out of.

I mean, for me, I got started with Akira when it first hit video stores. I should have NOT been watching that at that age, but I was hooked. There really wasn't anything like it back then.
 
Anime/Manga is in a weird spot in the Western world where it's a niche cramming in all of a wide, multi-audience world. Some very successful and long running series like Futari Ecchi and Oishinbo didn't get far in the States because a sex-ed manga and gourmet manga basically aimed at salarymen aren't going to appeal to the average anime fan here who primarily watches shonen action and rom-coms. Because of that I think a lot of people get a skewed perspective of the mediums, and many would benefit from checking out some less popular in the States series than jumping right into what is most popular with the U.S. anime fanbase.
 
While I'm team subs for 99 percent of anime, I think there was something special in that time period between the late 90s to the end of the 2000s in terms of anime dubs. Everything in the 2010s minus like Space Dandy I can live without.


It really is something you have to feel out for your own. Anime as a medium is something thats so vast and covers so many bases that there's bound to be something that appeals to you. Or you can get into manga which has a much wider variety of things to offer.
I'm not sure if the dubs were GOOD or they're just what I started with and aren't bad. Evangelion, FMA, FLCL, Gurren Lagan, and Cowboy Beboop I still only watch dubs despite avoiding them like the plague for everything else.
 
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