Anti-Vax Movement

[Vitriol]

And I don't have a problem with quarantine. But forcing adults to submit to medical procedures of any kind is a dangerous legal road to tread down. It is why things like mental health commitment require specific court orders before you can be given anything (although you can be passively held).

Quarantine alone though is ineffective otherwise leper colonies and plague islands would have been far more effective. Many diseases are contagious before serious symptoms show.

The same reasoning that the government uses to justify quarantine is therefore used to justify vaccines- the right to personal freedom is limited by the wider right of the community to life.

Normally i would agree with your arguement that govs have a bad tendancy to claw more and more power when they get a precedent but in the case of vaccines the justification hinges on a very real and widespread threat to public life. Which is a pretty narrow precedent.

 

[AnOminous]

Cost of quarantine can come at the expense of those who refused the vaccinations.

When the city tears down a dangerous structure owned by you, they send you the bill, and that never goes away.

Suppose the cost of a vaccination is $1 and the cost of someone refusing it approaches $1 million? At some point, society has to balance these costs. And when it kills innocent people, who had no choice in the matter at all, a mandatory poke in the arm is a very, very small price to pay.

The utility calculation clearly favors vaccination.

 

[Trombonista]

Didn't we have a larger anti-vaxxer thread at some point?

Nope. Someone started an anti-vaxxer thread a long time ago, but it was locked pretty quickly because jcrowley and his socks were still around.

 

[AnOminous]

If you tell them that vaccines do not cause autism, they may stop thinking that, but they will make up a new different reason for not vaccinating like "it's not natural!" or "it weakens kids' immune systems!" or whatever bullshit before you can say mercury. Their brains are compartmentalization machines dedicated to the sole purpose of defending their egos. And it will never end because that would mean they would have to grow up.

That's why you don't explain it to them, you just hold them down and record their screams as you inject them with a turkey-baster sized hypo. And maybe beat them up a little just for fun, too.

 

[Philosophy Zombie]

note: I deleted this post a few hours ago because I accidentally posted it before I was finished and I wasn't able to edit it and it was all really embarrassing. I'm sorry.

PSAs and arguments refuting anti-vax are obviously widespread. But measles and other outbreaks of easily preventable diseases are becoming more frequent, which suggests that the number of people who don't vaccinate their children is increasing despite the medical backlash.

Recent studies show that these arguments actually make these people's convictions stronger, not weaker, which on the surface is strange and incredibly sad. I think the reason for that is, in the first place, anti-vaxxer's beliefs aren't based on reason. They're based on impressionability, a predisposition to fear "the establishment", and a desire to feel like victims. Many, many people also have a strong adverse reaction to being told they're wrong no matter how oh so very wrong they are or how strong the opposing argument is.

Basically what I'm saying is they're all terminally retarded, and you can't fix stupid.

If you tell them that vaccines do not cause autism, they may stop thinking that, but they will make up a new different reason for not vaccinating like "it's not natural!" or "it weakens kids' immune systems!" or whatever bullshit before you can say mercury. Their brains are compartmentalization machines dedicated to the sole purpose of defending their egos. And it will never end because that would mean they would have to grow up.

What might have a chance of stopping this is making as sure as possible their opinions cannot spread to others who are undecided. There is an obvious ethical quandary about suppressing these people's speech, and it will feed into their persecution complexes even more, but if it's illegal to tell kids to drink cyanide, it should be illegal to tell impressionable retards with the minds of children not to vaccinate their kids. But it's not and that's the problem.

 

[IwegalBadnik]

More disturbance of the peace. Of course, dearest hoaxster Wakefield showed up to promote this disrespect for the law and public good.

The anti-vaxxers represent more than a public nuisance. They are a group of people that threaten the security of their home countries by allowing certain pathogens to develop freely--all because this bunch is so narcissistic that they believe they know more than doctors.

Why these countries tolerate these people in them is beyond me.

 

[Marvin]

More disturbance of the peace. Of course, dearest hoaxster Wakefield showed up to promote this disrespect for the law and public good.

The anti-vaxxers represent more than a public nuisance. They are a group of people that threaten the security of their home countries by allowing certain pathogens to develop freely--all because this bunch is so narcissistic that they believe they know more than doctors.

Why these countries tolerate these people in them is beyond me.

The controversial legislation requires children entering school or day care to be vaccinated against measles, mumps, whooping cough and other diseases. Parents will no longer be able to cite religious or personal beliefs in seeking exemptions.

Children with documented medical conditions, such as allergies or immune system deficiencies, would be excused from immunizations. Parents who decline the vaccinations would have to enroll their children in a home-based private school or public independent study program based off campus.

*Golf clap* I really like this law. Good job, California.

And, surprisingly enough, the comments on this article are very much for mandatory vaccination. Heh, and the anti-vaxxer comments are strangely racist. Like, I've seen quite a few that say "huh, vaccines? what about all those diseased illegals swarming over the border all the time?? huh, what do you think about that??"

 

[Do You Realize]

Reporting an illness does not carry the same gravity as mandating that all adult citizens have an interaction with the medical establishment.

Go ask someone who had mandatory house quarantine for TB. Mandated reporting, mandated quarantine, mandated daily direct interaction with medical personnel and mandated treatment with TB meds. People are frighteningly ignorant of public health and the consequences of not following the rules. And I would think that people who are HIV+ with mandatory reporting would disagree about the relative gravity.

 

[Trombonista]

Anti-vaxxers who still believe vaccines cause autism should be asked two questions:
1. Are you vaccinated?
2. Do you have autism?

 

[IwegalBadnik]

*Golf clap* I really like this law. Good job, California.

And, surprisingly enough, the comments on this article are very much for mandatory vaccination. Heh, and the anti-vaxxer comments are strangely racist. Like, I've seen quite a few that say "huh, vaccines? what about all those diseased illegals swarming over the border all the time?? huh, what do you think about that??"

California just recently had an outbreak at Disneyland a while back.

Reasonable people are tired of unreasonable people and their baseless whining. As for the prejudice toward immigrants, it's quite laughable. Apparently because the anti-vaxxers reside on one side of a manmade border they are automatically better/cleaner.

Just another case of narcissism (with a little xenophobia and neophobia mixed in for good measure) out of this intelligent, open minded bunch.

 

[Asmik Otaku]

California just recently had an outbreak at Disneyland a while back.

Reasonable people are tired of unreasonable people and their baseless whining. As for the prejudice toward immigrants, it's quite laughable. Apparently because the anti-vaxxers reside on one side of a manmade border they are automatically better/cleaner.

Just another case of narcissism (with a little xenophobia and neophobia mixed in for good measure) out of this intelligent, open minded bunch.

It's not just that we are annoyed with unreasonable people and their baseless whining it's been a problem here in California and I'm glad we're finally taking a serious step to reduce breakouts. It's not just the outbreak in Southern California / Disneyland either. We've had measles cases in the San Francisco Bay Area, perhaps the worst being the measles patients who ride BART during rush hour, exposing thousands of commuters to the virus. Thankfully most of us here are vaccinated, though sadly not everyone is.

 

[IwegalBadnik]

It's not just that we are annoyed with unreasonable people and their baseless whining it's been a problem here in California and I'm glad we're finally taking a serious step to reduce breakouts. It's not just the outbreak in Southern California / Disneyland either. We've had measles cases in the San Francisco Bay Area, perhaps the worst being the measles patients who ride BART during rush hour, exposing thousands of commuters to the virus. Thankfully most of us here are vaccinated, though sadly not everyone is.

Indeed it has been, I agree. As I said above, it's beyond me why the United States and other countries tolerate these people residing in them.

 

[Mrs Paul]

Chicken pox sucked, but what really worries me is the chance of getting shingles some day. My dad's had it twice so far.

Agreed. Part of me is angry because they feel that somehow having a child that is autistic is worse than having one that is blind, deaf, immobile or even dead. And I can't help but feel it's a little personal. We have those on the autistic spectrum on this board. I know people on the spectrum. I am on that spectrum. So they would rather have a dead child than one like me.

You don't know the half of it. There are no words for how disgustingly offensive I find this.

 

[Phil Ken Sebben]

You don't know the half of it. There are no words for how disgustingly offensive I find this.

I have no words. I am seriously at a loss to how to properly define how it is I feel at this moment after having followed that link.

I know parents with autistic kids can have a hard time with them but to wish they had cancer instead? I think a little time away from the internet would be good for me right about now.

 

[Zeorus]

You don't know the half of it. There are no words for how disgustingly offensive I find this.

Fuck these parents. Make somebody more worthy of their children take over.

 

[Bob's Fries]

You don't know the half of it. There are no words for how disgustingly offensive I find this.

This is the kind of shit that makes me think having a kid should be a privilege. Not a right.

 

[Pinkamena Diane Pie]

Fuck these parents. Make somebody more worthy of their children take over.

I know I`m very late on this subject, but I wholeheartedly agree.

Recently, I had mono. Most people feel nothing when they have it. When I got other, it fucked up my blood and made me unable to move because the disease was that painful. I couldn't even eat.

But do you know what's even worse? The disease fucking my blood and triggering my autoimmune disease. I was taking 6-MP, a chemotherapy/immunosuppressive drug.

My intestine never healed after such a minor disease and my anemia hasn't fixed itself until just recently because they forced me on a powerful drug; humira. I have to take it every week.

I can't get sick. A "minor" disease nearly sent me to the hospital. I can't imagine having the measles because if I did, I don't think I would be /alive/. I have no immune system at this point because someone gave me a legit MINOR disease that made a bigger one trigger. I hate these anti vaxxers because they scare me. I can't take humira if I get sick. If humira doesn't work with everything I get surgery.

I don't think it's fair that I should die from your stupidity.

 

[Kaito]

i don't know what it is about the very devout christian groups and rampant stupidity but damn, they seem to be spreading lately. especially with this anti-vaxx shit. if you don't want to take care of your kids, don't have kids. if you don't want the risk of raising a child with autism, don't raise children. keep it simple, stupid, and don't endanger others with your stupidity.

in other news, have some more content.
http://fuckyeahantivaxxers.tumblr.com/

 

[Zeorus]

in other news, have some more content.
http://fuckyeahantivaxxers.tumblr.com/

Here's a good one:

 

[An Ounce of Vagina]

Here's a good one:

I'm surprised she didn't include the standard "WAKE UP SHEEPLE!!!" at the end.

A very bad part of me would laugh if her kid gets polio/measles/whooping cough and she has to watch it suffer.