ANTIFA / Antifascist Action / Antifaschistische Aktion - The anti-fascist gang with fascist tendencies

AnOminous said:
It would depend on the context. Doxing itself isn't illegal. The people are generally entitled to know who's governing them.

That doesn't mean that it's legal to threaten them or obstruct them in their duties directly. Some contexts also may make a doxing like this an illegal threat. E.g. Hal Turner. Personally, I consider that an edge case and wrongly decided, but the man did time for it.
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In a world where the ACLU is now applying a virtue test to the 1st Amendment cases they take up I can't be bothered to care if a few antifa have their rights trampled.
 
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AnOminous said:
Yeah just remember that any precedents that get set will eventually be applied to someone you agree with.
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I buy that, and I know I'm throwing away principles for schadenfreude, but all the bullshit has me beaten down. I'm just really, really disappointed in the leaked ACLU internal memo.

The terrorists have already won, etc.
 
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kcbbq said:
I buy that, and I know I'm throwing away principles for schadenfreude, but all the bullshit has me beaten down. I'm just really, really disappointed in the leaked ACLU internal memo.

The terrorists have already won, etc.
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That's part of the cancer that is identitarianism: it erodes the ability to build trust between disparate groups. Say, if the average white person encounters an Ashleigh Shackelford and gets treated like shit for being white, that person is most likely going to remember that the next time they encounter a black person since race was the vector of attack. "Do they feel the same way about me and just haven't shown it yet?"

If I were a conspiracy theorist, I would say that it's a masterful stroke to sow distrust, but I try to apply Hanlon's Razor and all.
 
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Corbin Dallas Multipass said:
Since antifa is now designated as a domestic terrorist group, and since they have a semi-uniform and insignia, does this mean that if one sees someone identifying as such, one has the right to assume the terrorist is planning to commit terrorist acts, and therefore preemptively defend oneself? And I don't mean shooting them (They are mostly just stupid kids after all) but more like immediately tackling them as one would a person who goes into a building yelling "Hail ISIS"?
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Source on this? Since last time I checked, there is no such thing as a "designated domestic terrorist group" in US law. And Antifa can't even be designated as a domestic terrorist group if such a list did exist, since Antifa is just a collection of semi-related groups with similar ideologies. The closest thing to it is designating local Antifa groups as a gang, and in many states Antifa indeed meets the legal definition of a gang.

kcbbq said:
I buy that, and I know I'm throwing away principles for schadenfreude, but all the bullshit has me beaten down. I'm just really, really disappointed in the leaked ACLU internal memo.

The terrorists have already won, etc.
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Source on this too? Is the ACLU reversing their historic policy on defending groups like neo-Nazis and Westboro? I could see why given that nowadays the 1st amendment is so hated in this country.
 
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I honestly don't think we're going to see Antifa pull their horns in until a few of them get shot, shanked, or kicked into a coma.

The last time they came around my neck of the woods, our clever sheriff informed them that they couldn't wear masks, due to laws passed to restrict the activities of the Klan.

The irony did not escape many people.
 
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Save the Loli said:
Source on this? Since last time I checked, there is no such thing as a "designated domestic terrorist group" in US law. And Antifa can't even be designated as a domestic terrorist group if such a list did exist, since Antifa is just a collection of semi-related groups with similar ideologies. The closest thing to it is designating local Antifa groups as a gang, and in many states Antifa indeed meets the legal definition of a gang.
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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...-agencies-homeland-security-fbi-a7927881.html
http://www.newsweek.com/are-antifa-terrorists-658396
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...Security-deem-antifa-domestic-terrorists.html

Please hammer me if I'm wrong here, but my take was these things were saying DHS has declared antifa a domestic terrorist group.
 
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Source on this? Since last time I checked, there is no such thing as a "designated domestic terrorist group" in US law. And Antifa can't even be designated as a domestic terrorist group if such a list did exist, since Antifa is just a collection of semi-related groups with similar ideologies. The closest thing to it is designating local Antifa groups as a gang, and in many states Antifa indeed meets the legal definition of a gang.



Source on this too? Is the ACLU reversing their historic policy on defending groups like neo-Nazis and Westboro? I could see why given that nowadays the 1st amendment is so hated in this country.
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The memo makes it sound soft and fluffy, but it boils down to "unless the cost to the ACLU for not taking on the case is too much political capital to say no, social justice should dictate what cases we take." There's stuff about promising to never carry a gun if you want ACLU help, but we already have the NRA for that and the ACLU only really has historically cared about a handful of pieces of the constitution.
 

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Corbin Dallas Multipass said:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...-agencies-homeland-security-fbi-a7927881.html
http://www.newsweek.com/are-antifa-terrorists-658396
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...Security-deem-antifa-domestic-terrorists.html

Please hammer me if I'm wrong here, but my take was these things were saying DHS has declared antifa a domestic terrorist group.
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From what I get, it means the government is investigating them and has put some Antifa members on one of the terrorist watch lists (there are several, and one has literally millions of names on it). I'm not sure how much the designation (whatever it is) legally means--it's probably the same as how the government classifies the KKK as "domestic terrorists" even though there are dozens of KKK groups. It's also far less than what being classified as a gang means legally.
 
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Save the Loli said:
From what I get, it means the government is investigating them and has put some Antifa members on one of the terrorist watch lists (there are several, and one has literally millions of names on it). I'm not sure how much the designation (whatever it is) legally means--it's probably the same as how the government classifies the KKK as "domestic terrorists" even though there are dozens of KKK groups. It's also far less than what being classified as a gang means legally.
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OK fair enough. Yes, prosecuting them as a gang would also make sense, but as people say, it's hard to connect one group to another. Still, ISIS is the same way in a sense, an ISIS member/supporter in the US is not part of the same cell as an ISIS member in iraq. But I think we would consider someone supporting ISIS as supporting terrorists, regardless of whether the specific cell in question had done anything yet.
 
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ICametoLurk said:
ANTIFA doxes 1500 ICE employees

Antifa, a violent, so-called anti-fascist group, tweeted out a list of over 1,500 Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents’ identities.



The Twitter account “nebraska antifa” sent out a tweet to its followers on Tuesday that linked to the personal information of ICE officers compiled from information found on LinkedIn.



http://dailycaller.com/2018/06/19/antifa-spreads-ice-agents-identities/
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Antifa using their l33t h4x0r skillz by using linkedin search
 
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ICametoLurk said:
ANTIFA doxes 1500 ICE employees

Antifa, a violent, so-called anti-fascist group, tweeted out a list of over 1,500 Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents’ identities.



The Twitter account “nebraska antifa” sent out a tweet to its followers on Tuesday that linked to the personal information of ICE officers compiled from information found on LinkedIn.



http://dailycaller.com/2018/06/19/antifa-spreads-ice-agents-identities/
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Nebraska Antifa? That's got to literally be 2 or 3 people, tops.
 
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literally "Oy vey, shut it down!"
 
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Broseph Stalin said:
I really want to see her reaction to a guilty verdict. It'd be a stark contrast to her rough n' tough tumble attitude when it comes to dealing with "da ebil Nahtzees"
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I'm not sure she would do anything, but for sure her toadies sitting in the back of the gallery will start hooting and hollering to disrupt the proceedings before being kicked out.
 
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