ANTIFA Now a terrorist organization - He's done it the fucking mad lad actually did it.

[Smaug's Smokey Hole]

That actually gets a bit complicated. Bear in mind, I haven't known anybody involved with any Antifa groups in a number of years, so things have doubtless changed. Some of this, therefore, will be based off of assumptions.

The best way to explain it is that Antifa doesn't generally need a lot of organizing; their tactics are pretty rudimentary, and their goals aren't so complex as to require an extensive onboarding process. Because of that, it tends to organize in cells that are relatively independent and operate locally, and a lot of the time have no "official" leader (though someone is invariably unofficially the one in charge). It's only for big events like protests that they interact with other cells in a significant fashion. For that reason, the hierarchy of the organization is a bit jumbled. Obviously somebody is the one who comes up with the idea, and somebody is planning the logistics of ops like this, but, at its core, the decisions involved in this were probably made by dozens, or even hundreds, of people.

That said, one of the more public people that identifies as Antifa, and certainly has acted as a leader in ops in northern California, would be Yvonne Felarca (aka the "Berkeley Antifa teacher"), which you should be able to find decent information on.

Though in truth, it should be relatively obvious to somebody that terrorists don't need an org chart to perform terrorism. If a group of people mutually decide to do something, it doesn't matter that none of them is the "ringleader".

This is just my experience and impression from talking to people over the years:

Overall they're not an organization, they're more like a network of people that are part of many other far lefty(or smashy) causes. There's the old hardcore veterans that knows other veterans in different cities or countries, don't think there's as many of those in the US as in Europe, they're not formal leaders but they're the closest thing to providing a structure and accelerating the kaoz IMO. In larger events like these they are the mildly annoyed uncle smoking a cigarette while tying the line to the hook of his nephews idiot friends fishing rod. The uncle in this stupid example is not a leader but he provides help and a service to get things going, like maybe dropping off pallets of bricks here and there or have the foresight to show up with the tools needed to quickly pry loose cobblestones for others to use.

 

[Smug Chuckler]

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Not a confirmed organizer (yet) but you can imagine where it leads, seeing as she's New York mayor's gahdamn daughter.

Also, this pic:

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Michael James Coudrey on Twitter

“NYC Mayor Bill De Blasio’s daughter, Chiara de Blasio, was arrested at a violent riot in Manhattan on Saturday night where cars were set ablaze.”

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And I thought Jeb!'s daughter was that bad.

 

[Ahriman]

 

[WinchesterPremium]

The IRA had very little in the way of formal structure or obvious leadership and nobody had any problems calling them a terrorist group. Just because the group doesn't have a formal hierarchy doesn't mean it's not organised.

The Animal Liberation Front has essentially none, their MO is to basically inspire lone-wolf terrorist attacks then claim responsibility if it follows their aims. They use this as a shield - they keep screaming "We never hurt anyone!" if you look at anything they put out in the logic that "Don't kill anyone" is on their checkmark to claim the action for the organization. By this layout if someone molotovs a testing lab shouting "FOR THE ALF!", it only counts as their organization if nobody dies in the fire. If someone gets trapped inside then it is magically a false flag operation.

Lone wolf terrorists in general would be good examples. They don't get marching orders beyond "Kill a bunch of people" in many cases, and do so with little to no assistance from the organization they're claiming allegiance to. Few would say that a lone-wolf terrorist isn't a terrorist.

 

[Zero Day Defense]

Friends on social media are cut and pasting MLK speeches today.

"To all those bringing up MLK right now, important to remember he also said this: 'I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action"; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a "more convenient season.'

What is "peace"? What is "safety"? Things were already pretty unsafe for some folks before the looting began. And until we are all free, we are none of us free."

I been using some of the posts from this thread to remind them Chinese Communists are fighting with the Secret Service on the Grounds of the White House, and marching with geopolitical adversaries to riot eventually becomes insurrection.

You should have told them that MLK wasn't advocating for rioting, and that the white moderate he was speaking about was literally whinging about him leading people to march peacefully while he insisted on marching peacefully.

 

[ZehnBoat]

You should have told them that MLK wasn't advocating for rioting, and that the white moderate he was speaking about was literally whinging about him leading people to march peacefully while he insisted on marching peacefully.

surprised people are using MLK
the argument a few years ago was "MLK was killed, so everything he did, didn't count."

 

[TiggerNits]

Got a coworker that was a door-kicker with the CIF for almost a decade and now he's almost suicidal that he got out just to see there's a chance he could have been going after the people actually harming America

 

[Syaoran Li]

The problem comes if you have American citizens getting moved into black sites. If this happens then you might as well give op all right you have as it will be easy enough to invoke the terrorist word and then make people "go away" never to be seen again. There is also the fact that any new tool used can be used by the ohter side.

I agree completely, the Patriot Act was a dire mistake.

To be completely honest, I'm kind of worried to see how far this will go. I'm hoping Antifa will get shut down with these laws, but I hope it's done via due process and that the terrorist designation is mainly just used to attack Antifa's finances.

If any Antifa bigwigs do find themselves in Gitmo, then we're all fucked in the long run.

 

[TiggerNits]

If any Antifa bigwigs do find themselves in Gitmo, then we're all fucked in the long run.

Trust me, if we pursue them like AQ or IS, Big Wig's don't get locked up, they get ventilated. Middle management are the ones you lock up for a bit

 

[Syaoran Li]

Trust me, if we pursue them like AQ or IS, Big Wig's don't get locked up, they get ventilated. Middle management are the ones you lock up for a bit

Fair point, but either way, if any Antifa guys end up in places like Gitmo instead of a regular federal prison, then we're still fucked in the long term.

Especially for whenever it'll be the Right's turn to be the moral authoritarians again in the next big culture war or if the Dems fully rebound and get back into power in 2024 or 2028, to say nothing of the 2022 or 2026 midterms or if Biden somehow wins 2020 and we go full tilt into Clown World (stranger things can and have happened)

Seriously, the Patriot Act was Bush's worst decision and I really hope the Trump administration has the foresight to only use it to cripple Antifa's financial powers and force the corporations to withdraw their support for far left causes, while the actual Antifa and BLM criminals are given the proper due process and sent to some maximum security hellhole like Leavenworth.

 

[TiggerNits]

Seriously, the Patriot Act was Bush's worst decision and I really hope the Trump administration has the foresight to only use it to cripple Antifa's financial powers and force the corporations to withdraw their support for far left causes, while the actual Antifa and BLM criminals are given the proper due process and sent to some maximum security hellhole like Leavenworth.

Fun fact, Joe Biden helped write a LOT of the Patriot Act

 

[Gustav Schuchardt]

This now means if you catch an AntiFa it's not, legally speaking, a person. It's like a two-legged beast, except that it's illegal to kill chickens in a cruel way but it's not with AntiFa.

 

[teriyakiburns]

This now means if you catch an AntiFa it's not, legally speaking, a person. It's like a two-legged beast, except that it's illegal to kill chickens in a cruel way but it's not with AntiFa.

Do you think they still run around after you chop their heads off?

 

[TiggerNits]

Fun fact, Joe Biden helped write a LOT of the Patriot Act

Further note: He is extremely proud of it too

https://web.archive.org/web/20200330165410/https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/andrewkaczynski/surveillance-joe

 

[Ivan Shatov]

Antifa and the DSA are being sponsored by the CCP.

China issued an international call for action in May. 230 signatories, including the DSA. Trump later declared Antifa a terrorist organization, which allows the US government to investigate international financial ties. This lead to a ramp up of activities, CCP is pouring gas on the fire. Threatens to expose the networks.

Please spread the word. This is a coup.

 

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https://archive.vn/O7oQu

Looks like Antifa is going all in, folks. They know if they don't win their cultural revolution in the next few months, Trump gets reelected and now is actively hostile to them. They win this summer or they won't get another chance until 2050 or later.

 

[Vault Boy]

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Looks like Antifa is going all in, folks. They know if they don't win their cultural revolution in the next few months, Trump gets reelected and now is actively hostile to them. They win this summer or they won't get another chance until 2050 or later.

Do these guys think the feds are bluffing with that terrorist designation? Are they that eager to experience FBI raids?

 

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Do these guys think the feds are bluffing with that terrorist designation? Are they that eager to experience FBI raids?

They think they have Antifa connected politicians, FBI agents, community leaders, etc at all levels of government. And they're right.

They have strongholds in the media, tech (especially social media), and academia.

I half expect the conclusion to be in a week that "Trump was trying to blame innocent anti-fascists to cover up the evil alt-right deathtroops he sent in to frame poor innocent dindus."

Multiple locals with TDS have tried to explain to me that "Antifa" is an alt-right group pretending to be Anti-fascist to frame the real anti-fascist movement.

 

[TheBest]

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Looks like Antifa is going all in, folks. They know if they don't win their cultural revolution in the next few months, Trump gets reelected and now is actively hostile to them. They win this summer or they won't get another chance until 2050 or later.

Are these guys that fucking stupid? All this will do is have the government come after them even harder than before.

 

[TwinkLover6969]

They think they have Antifa connected politicians, FBI agents, community leaders, etc at all levels of government. And they're right.

They have strongholds in the media, tech (especially social media), and academia.

I half expect the conclusion to be in a week that "Trump was trying to blame innocent anti-fascists to cover up the evil alt-right deathtroops he sent in to frame poor innocent dindus."

Multiple locals with TDS have tried to explain to me that "Antifa" is an alt-right group pretending to be Anti-fascist to frame the real anti-fascist movement.

Twitter & the media have come up with this retarded narrative

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/security/twitter-takes-down-washington-protest-disinformation-bot-behavior-n1221456