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What is the bias against old kits? I've noticed that old kids tend to feel sturdier because they have fewer small parts, and I like some things like the same red thrusters being used throughout. They may be more primitive when it comes to colour separation, but there's still something oddly soulful about a monochrome Gundam face. Keep in mind that I basically use these as toys rather than ultra-accurate anime figurines.
To me, it's articulation and detail. Older kits don't always feature proportions that make them look right, too. (it's why SEED got updated HG kits)

Also, what version of the F91 is best? The HG seems awfully small, so I'm wondering if the RG is better and more in-scale with a SEED mobile suit. Does the smaller scale make it more fragile?
Unfortunately there isn't an RG F91. The closest thing is the RG Crossbone X1. The MG F91 2.0 is a great build.

RG kits have a lot of parts in order to attain that 'real' aspect of paneled surfaces. They can be flimsy and fall off the kit and some RG joints are weak as hell.
 
What is the bias against old kits? I've noticed that old kids tend to feel sturdier because they have fewer small parts, and I like some things like the same red thrusters being used throughout. They may be more primitive when it comes to colour separation, but there's still something oddly soulful about a monochrome Gundam face. Keep in mind that I basically use these as toys rather than ultra-accurate anime figurines.
I don't hate old kits, they are more sturdy and easier to customize imo, but they are quite limited when it comes to articulation, which can be troublesome with bulky designs like the Xeku Eins, Zaku III and The O.
Also, what version of the F91 is best? The HG seems awfully small, so I'm wondering if the RG is better and more in-scale with a SEED mobile suit. Does the smaller scale make it more fragile?
Well, in my opinion the RG is better but if i remember correctly it is the same size as the HG since it's still a 1/144 scale model. The reason why it is so small is because the in-universe technology has gotten a lot better and Mobile Suits have gottem smaller and more efficient.
That being said, be careful with RG models, some have parts that tend to fall off rather easily.
 
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What is the bias against old kits? I've noticed that old kids tend to feel sturdier because they have fewer small parts, and I like some things like the same red thrusters being used throughout. They may be more primitive when it comes to colour separation, but there's still something oddly soulful about a monochrome Gundam face. Keep in mind that I basically use these as toys rather than ultra-accurate anime figurines.
Like the others said, it generally comes down to proportions, articulation, and parts/color separation. When you compare an older kit to a newer one, especially if you build them back to back, you can really tell the difference. That said, I don't have anything against older kits if they're your only option for a particular mobile suit, and if I want it, I'm not going to sit around and wait to see if Bandai ever does an updated version. I also generally have no real desire for old No Grades from the 80s or 90s due to all the gluing and painting you have to do, though the revived original RX-78-2 does strike my fancy as a classic design updated for today's standards.

But hey, no judgment, you do you. If you just want to build a gunpla and play around with it, go for whatever you want.
Also, what version of the F91 is best? The HG seems awfully small, so I'm wondering if the RG is better and more in-scale with a SEED mobile suit. Does the smaller scale make it more fragile?
The F91 is indeed small since it's a late UC suit, and those are about 15 meters tall compared to the original Gundam's 18 meters. That means that its gunpla are also going to be pretty tiny no matter what scale you get it at. I haven't built the HG, but I've heard it's a pretty sturdy and well featured kit despite being so small. I just built the MG recently (not RG, there isn't an RG F91), and I did a short review of it back here. In short, I love it.

Size-wise, the MG is about as big as a larger HG. Here's a couple comparison shots; the first is the HG F91 next to the HG RX-78-2, and the second is of the MG F91 between the HG RX-78-2 and HG The O:
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But feature-wise, it's a stellar kit with every gimmick you could possibly want. It looks beautiful, especially with the gold details in the inner frame, and it was very fun to build. It should be more than sturdy enough to handle whatever you throw at it when you're playing with it. Make sure you pick up the 2.0 version, though, as it comes with better colors, proportions, and gimmicks. Shouldn't be a problem, though, as I don't think the 1.0 is all that easy to find anymore. For reference, 1.0 is on the left, 2.0 is on the right:
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I bought my 2nd kit some weeks ago and learned a few things. It's not quite finished, got some weapons to add, a few stickers.

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First, high grade is too easy. First one I did was real grade, I didn't know anything about the grades before buying these and found this to be a bit too simple. BUT, on the other hand, because it was relatively easy, if I worked on it every night I could easily do 2 more (though I'd like some variation). Maybe with my son helping which I think would be cool. The Gundam I put together before makes more sense in a set piece against multiple suits, not just a solitary Zaku.

I need to get the glass files, I'm using the scalpel blade to shave off any slight nubs with success but it's gone wrong a couple of times and I've cut a decent slice of the part off too. Luckily in places you can't see though.

Reading the instructions all the way before starting is going to have to be mandatory I think. Seeing there were hardly any stickers I figured I could just go straight in, follow the instructions through to the end. This time I get to the end and it's all the weapons, one being ankle missiles which I need to take the legs off again for. Why do this to me. I know you can take pieces off again but I wonder how many times you can do that without wearing/eroding a plastic joint, I'd prefer not to do this.

Still, it was a good use of time vs watching some TV goyslop.
 
First, high grade is too easy. First one I did was real grade, I didn't know anything about the grades before buying these and found this to be a bit too simple. BUT, on the other hand, because it was relatively easy, if I worked on it every night I could easily do 2 more (though I'd like some variation).
It only takes me about 2-3 hours to build an HG; the most time-consuming part for me is cutting the pieces out. I'll probably invest more time for the RG Zeta so it remains sturdy; it seems the big "issue" with it is that it demands more time and skill.
 
I bought my 2nd kit some weeks ago and learned a few things. It's not quite finished, got some weapons to add, a few stickers.

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First, high grade is too easy. First one I did was real grade, I didn't know anything about the grades before buying these and found this to be a bit too simple. BUT, on the other hand, because it was relatively easy, if I worked on it every night I could easily do 2 more (though I'd like some variation). Maybe with my son helping which I think would be cool. The Gundam I put together before makes more sense in a set piece against multiple suits, not just a solitary Zaku.

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High Grades tend to be the easiest to build since they dont tend to be intricate in their parts and frame. Honestly gunpla aint hard even at a Perfect Grade level, is just that the time sink increases as you go up in tier. I tend to take more time building kits in general because i like to be thorough with the parts.

If you want to get your son in on the fun and doesnt have experience, there are Entry Grade kits which are the lowest barrier of entry into the hobby. Alternatively you can get him an SD model kit.
 
I bought my 2nd kit some weeks ago and learned a few things.
High Grades are pretty easy, for sure, but that usually ends up a blessing (or a curse, from your wallet's point of view). Since it doesn't take too long to build one, you can knock out quite a few without much issue, which means you can amass a decent collection of kits to pose together (and like you said, a Gundam just looks great fighting multiple grunts). Of course, this also means you can start running into cost or space issues if you get carried away...

As @00R-Gundam said, there's really nothing all that different between the simplest and the most complex kits when you really get right down to it. You're always going to be cutting out parts, cleaning them up, and putting them together. The only real difference is the amount of time you end up investing in a single kit. If you want to stretch how long you spend on a kit, consider learning how to detail. Panel lining is a great place to start; it's cheap and easy, but it really helps make your kits pop.

Bandai's plastic is pretty sturdy, I've never had issues pulling pieces apart and putting them back together. Hell, most people will do a dry build first before they begin detailing so that they can see how everything fits. I imagine that they'll hold up to more disassemblies than you're likely to do, as long as you aren't doing something stupid like trying to force a part to bend in a way it wasn't meant to.

I'd suggest trying out a Master Grade to see how you like that particular scale. They're 1/100 scale so they're larger than the kits you've built so far, but they have a complete inner frame like Real Grades. That might satisfy your desire for more complex kits without running into the issues that a lot of the early RGs have with their inner frames.

And definitely look into getting an Entry Grade for your son to put together. They're so simple, they don't even require tools, you can just pop the parts off the runners with your hands. Despite this, they're sturdy and quite posable. I think it's great that you want to include him in your builds, but if you want him to have something he can build on his own too, you can't go wrong with an EG.

I just finished up the RG RX-78-3, and I can confirm that all the complaints are valid. It's based on the original RX-78-2 kit, the very first RG, and it was quite a pain to build. The pieces didn't always want to stick together, parts kept wanting to fall out, the hands don't like holding onto anything, and even doing a simple pose was such a challenge. The shield in particular doesn't really want to stick onto the arm, and you basically have to hold it up with the hand to keep it from falling out. It didn't help that I lost a piece while trying to put the arms on, and it took a couple days to finally track it down and reattach it.

So why'd I get it knowing the issues? Well, for one, I still wanted to have the experience of building the original before I got the 2.0, so I'd have something to compare it to. I could have gotten the RX-78-2, but I'm not overly fond of getting the same mobile suit in the same size multiple times. Since the G-3 is virtually identical, I could just build it instead and have something different. For another, despite the problems, the end result looks fantastic. I think it's the best looking version of the G-3 in 1/144 scale, it has a muted color palette that ends up looking really nice.
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And finally, it's part of my long-term project to complete the RX-78 line in 1/144 scale, and I now have three out of seven done. Waiting for the G04 and G05 to show up on P-Bandai again (stupidly waited too long last year), and I'll grab the 2.0 RG at some point. Still have to decide what to do about the RX-78-1 since it doesn't have an official 1/144 kit yet (or at least one that didn't come out forty years ago).

But honestly, if you're looking for a G-3 kit, wait for Bandai to inevitably release a RG 2.0 version of it. Pretty much every RX-78-2 kit will eventually get a G-3 recolor, and based on what I've heard, the 2.0 is a stellar kit to build and pose.

One more thing: it's gunpla announcement time again; they'll be talking about kits coming out in Q3 of this year, and we should get word of the specifics later tonight. Place your bets! I'm almost certain we'll start seeing more of the GQuuuuuuX line announced at a minimum. Hoping to see some Gundam X announcements ahead of the 30th anniversary next year, and keeping my fingers crossed for a RG Master Gundam.
 
When will the SEED HGs get reprinted? I'd like a Duel, Calamity, Saviour, Abyss, and Chaos at some point and maybe some GINNs. I'd love it if an RG Saviour got announced as well. It would also be neat to have a TV RG Wing Zero.
 
When will the SEED HGs get reprinted? I'd like a Duel, Calamity, Saviour, Abyss, and Chaos at some point and maybe some GINNs. I'd love it if an RG Saviour got announced as well. It would also be neat to have a TV RG Wing Zero.
Got an old chaos HG just for Christmas, neat lil guy but the building is definitely dated

In other news, I've begun work on an MG GM-Sniper, I'm really liking the blue colors. As well, I finished the MGEX strike freedom, there are some stickers still to work but I'll throw in some thread tax later.
 
Well I was right on the obvious guess and wrong on my other two, but still, some interesting kits announced today:
  • In addition to more pics of the HG Red Gundam, two more HG GQuuuuuuX kits were announced: the Military Police Zaku and the Light Cannon. I particularly like the little police lights on the Zaku's shoulders. Zaku is scheduled for April, Red Gundam for May, and Light Cannon for July.
  • Continuing in HG, ZZ gets some love with the release of HG Gallus-J. Mashymre bros, we're so back. Scheduled for August.
  • A new RG was announced, but I was wrong on which one. Presumably for the 30th anniversary this year, RG Wing Gundam Zero was announced. This means that all four Wings will now be available in RG: Wing, Wing Zero, Wing EW, and Wing Zero EW. Scheduled for September.
  • The MGSD line continues with MGSD Aerial, so WfM fans will look forward to that one I'm sure. Scheduled for August.
  • A new Option Parts set of Binder Guns, in case your kits need more guns. Scheduled for July.
  • And finally, new Gundam Decal sheets are being released for both GQuuuuuuX and Seed Freedom kits. #139 is for the GQuuuuuuX, #140 is for the Red Gundam, #141 includes Rising Freedom, Immortal Justice, and the Black Knight Squad Shi-ve.A, and #142 includes Mighty Strike Freedom, Infinite Justice, and the Black Knight Squad Cal-re.A. All are scheduled for September.
In the non-Gunpla side of things, there are a couple Figure-rise Standard kits for the two main girls in GQuuuuuuX, HG VF-31J Siegfried (Hayate Immelman) from Macross (scheduled for July), three new Pokemon kits for Jirachi, Miraidon, and Koraidon (scheduled for July-September), DCV-01 Hyuga from Yamato (scheduled for September), and Figure-rise Standard Amplified KaiserGreymon (scheduled for September). There's also a bunch of 30 Minutes Missions/Sisters/Fantasy kits that I won't go into, but you can check out the announcements yourself.

Nothing too earth-shattering for announcements, though I'm glad ZZ is getting some more representation now that Zeta is pretty much tapped out, and the final Wing variant in RG is also nice to see. GQuuuuuuX continues to have some really interesting designs, and I'm glad they've already announced official decals since the stickers on those kits looked very fiddly. Looks like I'll be waiting longer for my Gundam X kits, though that was a longshot since the anniversary isn't even until next year, so I'm not too bummed.
 
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Started building the RE/100 GP04 and I'm very impressed by the engineering. I've only completed the torso so far but all of the areas that would have been connected to the sprues are cleverly hidden. In my initial posts, I harped on a bit about sprue-gating because I was concerned about how it'd affect the look of the finished model, given that gunpla emphasizes making bare plastic look good.

Here's an example of sprue-gating done by an asshole.
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This is from a WW2 Ki-84 Hayate. The three sprue points are placed at an angle that, for an inexperienced modeler, could easily end up gouging the wings upon removal. They also have to be sanded at an awkward angle, creating scuffs and potentially affecting the panel line and rivet details. The scuffing and scratches from sanding would not be a problem for something that has to be primed and painted, but it wouldn't be ideal on a gundam.

Bandai's sprue gating is far more intelligent.
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The connecting points are perfect; it's on a flat plane and are located behind the V-fin, rather than in front.

I know you guys are used to well-engineered models, but as a milsperg, I can only dream of building a Panzer IV or a Patton that goes together as well as one of these.

I also followed @King Dead 's advice and picked up a Gunprimer Raser. Kinda pricey, but it really was worth it. The glass file is obviously great, but it's the balancer sponge and the recover cloth that leaves me baffled at how well they work to normalize the surface after sanding.
 
Yeah, Bandai has put in a lot of serious work over the years (decades, even) in their model kit tech. I know we were talking about why people are down on earlier kits, and I forgot a big reason why: they've gotten a lot smarter about sprue connections over time. Earlier kits will sometimes have nubs in very obvious locations, so you have to be good about cleanup to make them less noticeable. As the years have gone by, they've taken greater care to place nubs in areas that will either be covered up by other parts or difficult to notice, resulting in a much cleaner appearance overall. This is especially noticeable with undergated parts that you'll see frequently on RGs or MGs (especially Ver. Ka kits), where parts that are on the exterior will almost always have no visible nub marks on the outside.

And glad you're finding the Raser a good investment! Along with my GodHand Ultimate nippers, it's paid off the initial cost in spades with how much easier it's been to build kits. The sponges and cloth do help to remove the glossy finish from sanding, but I've found that if you're planning on topcoating later, it's not that big a deal as the topcoat will do the work of evening it out for you. Even if I don't, most of the time the marks are so small that they're hard to notice from a distance, so I've taken to skipping using them for the most part. But they definitely work well for what they're intended to do, and replacements are cheap when you inevitably wear them out.
 
ALERT, ALERT, THIS IS NOT A DRILL
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Just teased at the Gundam Next Future event going on now. It's about time they announced another PG, but for the Nu to finally get the PG treatment, PGU no less, is definitely worth getting excited over.

Other kits teased include the HG GQuuuuuuX White Gundam and Zaku II, and a Gundam Base-exclusive RG God Gundam Hyper Mode for those that need more gold in their lives. The website mentions there might be some more announcements on the last day of the expo on Monday, though that could just be the proper unveiling of the PGU Nu.
 
And definitely look into getting an Entry Grade for your son to put together. They're so simple, they don't even require tools, you can just pop the parts off the runners with your hands. Despite this, they're sturdy and quite posable. I think it's great that you want to include him in your builds, but if you want him to have something he can build on his own too, you can't go wrong with an EG.
I got the EG for my son, let him choose which he liked. Arrived Friday, I told him I'd help over the weekend.

Come down this morning and he's woke up early and done it himself! He does love Lego kits but I didn't think he would take to gunpla so easily (he's 8 ). He was even using the flush cutters where necessary, said he knew how to use them because he's seen me do it.

So now thanks to KF there are 2 new gunpla consumers in the household, goddamn. I only came here to say the gamer word. I think I'll get another HG to show him how to deal with nubs that need shaving off and some decals etc, not that I'm any expert but I think he will be able to handle it if I'm guiding him where necessary.

Perhaps one of these days we will be making a perfect grade together.

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I got the EG for my son, let him choose which he liked. Arrived Friday, I told him I'd help over the weekend.

Come down this morning and he's woke up early and done it himself! He does love Lego kits but I didn't think he would take to gunpla so easily (he's 8 ). He was even using the flush cutters where necessary, said he knew how to use them because he's seen me do it.

So now thanks to KF there are 2 new gunpla consumers in the household, goddamn. I only came here to say the gamer word. I think I'll get another HG to show him how to deal with nubs that need shaving off and some decals etc, not that I'm any expert but I think he will be able to handle it if I'm guiding him where necessary.

Perhaps one of these days we will be making a perfect grade together.

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That makes me happy to hear! It's always great when you can share hobbies with your family.

On my end, I got my brother a couple gunpla and some tools for Christmas a couple times, but I'm not sure if he ever got around to building them (I should really ask at some point). But I got my dad an EG Nu for his birthday last year, and he had a fun time building it. So for Christmas last year, I got him a bigger kit and told him that I'd be there to help with as much or as little as he wants; my assumption was that I'd handle the tedious stuff like cutting out and cleaning parts and detailing, and he could do the more fun stuff like assembly. We haven't started on it yet because of other stuff taking up our time, but I'm still looking forward to it.
 
I got the EG for my son, let him choose which he liked. Arrived Friday, I told him I'd help over the weekend.

Come down this morning and he's woke up early and done it himself! He does love Lego kits but I didn't think he would take to gunpla so easily (he's 8 ). He was even using the flush cutters where necessary, said he knew how to use them because he's seen me do it.

So now thanks to KF there are 2 new gunpla consumers in the household, goddamn. I only came here to say the gamer word. I think I'll get another HG to show him how to deal with nubs that need shaving off and some decals etc, not that I'm any expert but I think he will be able to handle it if I'm guiding him where necessary.

Perhaps one of these days we will be making a perfect grade together.

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Probably the most wholesome thing in this threat. Feels good to break from calling people nigger and faggots to see a father and son come together and share a hobby. It makes me happy and people say we are bad.
 
They weren't lying about more announcements, with two more on the last day of the event. First, another IBO MG with the Barbatos Lupus, so they're really pumping them out now after many years of nothing. And second, a general announcement that various Seed Destiny HGs are getting a revive treatment, so expect better molds and articulation. No specifics on what kits yet, but likely the most popular ones are guaranteed.

Something interesting from the gunpla subreddit is this leak from several months ago claiming that the following kits were in development:
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It was kind of written off at the time when people saw the PGU Nu, figuring that was way too much of a longshot to be legit. But as more of the leak has been announced, it's looking more and more like the truth.

The rest of the leak includes:
  • MG Rising Freedom and Immortal Justice from Seed Freedom
  • MG Bael from IBO
  • RG Ingram from Patlabor
  • RG GaoFighGar and Genesic GaoGaiGar
  • 00 suits added to the HGUC line (HGAD)
  • RG Gundam X
  • MGEX Gundam Astray Red Frame from Seed Astray
  • Full Mechanics Reborns Gundam from 00
Some of these do seem pretty obvious (of course they'll do MGs of the Freedom/Justice), but the others are certainly exciting if true. I'd expect RG X to be for its anniversary next year, and maybe a Double X following. And you know I'll gladly pick up more GGG RGs.
 
Fuck yeah! I finally get to have GaoFighGar and Genesic! I am so happy and excited!
 
These recent MG releases have me excited for the future of gunpla. Vidar and the Lupus Rex are on my wishlist for sure.

How many of you here actually paint? I don't have the space and haven't really had any ill feelings towards the base plastic. I do panel line, which for sure helps, but have been curious on setups.

I bought a magnifying lamp from a hardware store recently as well, the added light/lens combo has made cleanup easier on the eyes, the amount of "over cutting" has gone down.

Do most people final cut with a razor? Do you hold it in your hand or on a cutting surface? Personally I've "carved" away the nubs, which hasn't caused problems so far. Just having too be critical not too slice myself from rushing a bad angle.
 
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