US AP: Saving democracy is central to Biden’s campaign messaging. Will it resonate with swing state voters? - TLDR: No

Saving democracy is central to Biden’s campaign messaging. Will it resonate with swing state voters?
Associated Press (archive.ph)
By Gary Fields
2024-02-18 02:36:44GMT

Some Pennsylvania voters say President Biden’s warning that Donald Trump threatens U.S. democracy is not reaching beyond Democratic voters. Some Democratic voters say Trump is a threat and hold him responsible for the events of January 6, 2021. (Feb 17) (AP Video: Mike Rubinkam)

BETHLEHEM, Pa. (AP) — Just blocks from the shuttered Bethlehem Steel plant, the Hispanic Center Lehigh Valley was bustling on a recent day with scores of older people eating lunch. Downstairs, out of sight, a constant stream of visitors was shopping in its massive food pantry.

Over the past seven months, the number visitors to the pantry has risen by more than a third. The center’s executive director, Raymond Santiago, sees that as a stark sign of something he has felt over the past couple years: Many in the area’s Latino community are struggling to meet their basic needs.

Northampton County, which includes Bethlehem, is a traditional bellwether for Pennsylvania, one of the most important presidential swing states, and Latinos are a key part of the coalition that President Joe Biden is trying rebuild as he embarks on his campaign for a second term. In doing so, the Democrat might have challenges selling a crucial part of his reelection strategy.

One of the messages he has delivered in previous visits to Pennsylvania is that former President Donald Trump, the front-runner for the GOP nomination, is a danger to American democracy. Biden is hoping that message energizes the same voters who turned out four years ago, when Northampton County narrowly flipped to him after supporting Trump by a thin margin in 2016.

Based on his interactions with visitors to the Hispanic center, Santiago isn’t so sure. It’s the price of groceries and lack of affordable housing that dominate conversations there.

“I think so many people are already immune to that messaging, it won’t land as cleanly this election as it did in 2020,” he said. “If he keeps pushing that message, it might turn voters away.”

Biden chose a location near Valley Forge, Pennsylvania, with its deep symbolism for the country’s struggle for freedom, for his initial campaign event for 2024, portraying Trump as a grave threat to America and describing the general election as “all about” whether democracy can survive. It was a message similar to one he gave before the 2022 midterm elections at Independence Hall in Philadelphia, where the nation’s founding documents were created. Biden warned that Trump and his followers threatened “the very foundation of our republic.”

Biden has continued the theme during the early primary season, telling supporters winning a second term is essential for maintaining the country’s democratic traditions.

Over the course of several days, The Associated Press interviewed a cross section of voters in Northampton County to ask whether Biden’s messaging around the fate of democracy was resonating. These voters represented parts of the very coalition Biden will need to win Pennsylvania again — Black voters, Latinos, independents and moderates from both parties.

Their overarching response: The president’s warning that a second Trump presidency will shred constitutional norms and destroy democratic institutions is not one that, alone, will motivate them and get them out to vote.

Like people across much of the rest of the country, most of those interviewed would prefer avoiding a rematch of the 2020 contest, and several suggested they would seriously consider a serious third-party candidate with a strong message and a chance of winning.

Evelyn Fermin, 74, who regularly visits the Lehigh Hispanic center, has lived in the county for two years after spending most of her life in New Jersey. Her opinion about Trump has been set since Jan. 6, 2021, when the former president’s supporters stormed the U.S. Capitol in a violent bid to stop Congress from certifying Biden’s win. But she doesn’t think reminders of that day will be sufficient to persuade voters in November.

For the daughter of parents who immigrated from the Dominican Republic, her concerns are border security and spending abroad.

“Rather than sending it out to foreign countries, I think we should use it for our people,” she said.

As a divorced mother who supported her son as he worked his way through school to become a lawyer, she also doesn’t support Biden’s attempt to waive student loan debt: “If I was able to to do it, I feel that they should.”

Curt Balch, 44, worked in the health care industry and is now a stay-at-home dad. He was weathering a two-hour school delay with his 5-year-old daughter in his home in Hellertown, in a more rural part of the county. He registered Republican so he could vote in primaries, but describes himself as more libertarian.

Balch said the messaging by both sides is “pretty toxic” when they warn that the other is “a threat or a danger to the fundamentals of the country moving forward.”

He supported Trump in the past two elections but is open to considering other candidates this year, especially if he thinks there is an appealing third-party or independent candidate. Balch believes the dire warnings about a potential second Trump term are overblown. Balch notes that even during the COVID-19 pandemic, Trump let states decide for themselves how to handle it.

“I understand the rhetoric, ‘Oh, he’s going to be a fascist dictator,’” Balch said. “I don’t think it’s a message that’s getting people to the polls. I don’t think people are legitimately thinking that they need to be afraid of Donald Trump.”

Christian Miller was a lifelong Democrat but became an independent in 2022 out of frustration with political gridlock and a sense that as he got older, he was growing more conservative.

He said he might one day consider switching to the Republican Party, but not as long as Trump is leading it. That’s not out of any worry that Trump would become a dictator if he wins a second term.

“I don’t know that I fear it as much as it’s being made out to be in the media from either side,” said Miller, a 53-year-old bank executive who lives in Nazareth. “I feel that the institutions are safe and and are strong enough to withstand the challenges.”

Miller cited the dozens of failed court challenges seeking to overturn the 2020 presidential results by Trump and his allies as an example of the institutions holding firm.

Surveys indicate concern about the state of democracy, but it’s not clear how that will translate in November’s election. A Biden campaign spokesperson said the democracy message is central to the campaign but it is not the only one the campaign will use to reach voters. Protecting abortion rights and fighting for higher wages will be among the issues essential to the president’s pitch.

Northampton County, especially Bethlehem, has been slowly emerging from the economic shock that followed the collapse of the local steel industry. The plant produced the steel that built the Golden Gate Bridge during the Great Depression and a decade later, during World War II, became the country’s largest shipbuilder.

The blast furnaces, which fell silent nearly 30 years ago, are still visible for miles as they sit alongside the Lehigh River. But Bethlehem has been enjoying a revival in recent years as it has evolved into a hub for health care and technology companies. New shops, an art center, museum, performing arts stage and a casino, among other developments, have added vibrancy to a picturesque city dotted with historical structures dating to the 18th century.

Northampton also is a historical bellwether. As the county has gone in the presidential election, so has the state, said Christopher Borick, a political science professor and director of the Institute of Public Opinion at Muhlenberg University in Allentown. The last time they split was 1948, when the county voted for Democrat Harry Truman but the state went for Republican Thomas Dewey.

“It’s about as great a benchmark county as you’ll ever find,” Borick said.

Biden narrowly carried the county in 2020, four years after Trump had narrowly prevailed in his victory over Democrat Hillary Clinton.

Anna Kodama, 69, is the type of voter who traditionally has swung back and forth between the parties.

She grew up in a Republican household in Ohio but switched parties during college. She recalls voting across party lines frequently since she moved to the Lehigh Valley in 1977 — until 2016 when Trump was making his first run for the presidency and she voted a straight ticket for Democrats.

The people Kodama encounters are not listening to Biden’s messages about a dark future under Trump. Instead, she would like him to speak more about what he is doing to improve the economy and forge stronger ties with Europe. She paid attention to a Biden visit earlier this year to a nearby town, Emmaus, where he stopped at local stores to discuss the importance of supporting small businesses.

She said Biden seems to connect better with people when he promotes a positive message, rather than a negative one that she believes will not motivate people in the fall.

“That’s where I find it compelling — look what we can do together,” said the artist and former teacher who was sipping coffee at Café the Lodge in Bethlehem. “That message resonates with me and with people I know.”

For Esther Lee, the 90-year-old president of the local NAACP, the threat-to-democracy message is not generating much concern among the people she contacts. She already plans to vote, but not because she is fearful of another Trump presidency.

“We already know who he is,” she said.

Getting Black voters engaged is going to take more from Biden, she believes, because so far his campaign messages have not resonated. She questions whether the Black community in Northampton County is the target audience: “I’m not seeing evidence of it,” she said.

Lee said the issue she hears about most in her circle is homelessness: “It’s No. 1,” she said, adding that the resources don’t seem to be sufficient to address the local problem. The companion to that, she said, is affordable housing.

“With Biden’s campaign, they need to reach down further,” with the messaging, she said.

At the Lehigh center, Guillermo Lopez Jr., 69, recalls his deep ties to the area and the many members of his extended family who worked at Bethlehem Steel. He worked at the plant for 27 years, following a father who worked there for 36.

He is now on the center’s board of directors and a local leader in the Latino community. A Democrat who said he leans independent, he plans to vote for Biden in part because of how he thought Trump’s rhetoric, beginning with is campaign announcement in 2015, made targets of Latinos and other minorities.

“It just speaks to me that there’s so much misguided hatred toward people like me,” he said.

But Lopez thinks messages of fear and Trump imperiling American democracy are essentially meaningless for many of the county’s working class voters. Their concern, he said, is finding steady work with good pay.

“I actually think that harms the vote,” he said of the democracy warnings. The average person who “just puts their nose to the grindstone and goes to work, I don’t think that motivates them. I think it scares them and freezes them.”
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It's a constitutional republic, even a eurofag like me knows that. These faggots are so tiring with democracy this and democracy that. It's just a fancy way to say mob rule, I don't get why it gets put on this retarded pedestal.

In the same week that Fani Willis demonstrated to the world why the west is dead and never coming back, the AP pulls this. lol. Leave it to the AP to proffer the most banal of propaganda at the worst time.
I was watching Sean stream that clownshow. It's genuinely amazing how crooked and dumb that woman and everyone around her is. The whole thing is fascinating and horrifying in that 'fall of the empire' kind of way.
 
"What do you mean when you say you'll save Owah Saycred Demawcracy(TM)?"
- Taking your candidates off the ballot,
- having the world's biggest Monopolies mass-censor people and ideas we dislike,
- institutionalizing hatred for your people at every level of government and every corporation,
- importing the entire Third World into your neighborhood since you vote wrong,
- sending your tax dollars and children to defend every other place in the world but your own home,
- refusing to punish the most violent members of society,
- giving the most perverted members of society access to your kids, and
- calling you a Huwite Supremist Terrist if you oppose the chemical sterilization and surgical castration of children."

"And what is the opposite of all of that? What is it called when you elect people who oppose the Total State, the growth of unelected bureaucracies, and the incestuous Corporate partnerships?"
"Fashism!"
 
A decent portion of my coworkers will openly say that they're fine with a dictator at this point. All this "save our democracy!!!!!" rhetoric has done is make people think it isn't really that important after all.

how much percent of people do you think can name their 2 senators and representative? i mean i follow the stuff and i had to think for a second there.
 
Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner.

Or in this case, a group of sick fucks wanting to pervert what it is to be human, all for maximum financial gain.
 
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One of the messages he has delivered in previous visits to Pennsylvania is that former President Donald Trump, the front-runner for the GOP nomination, is a danger to American democracy. Biden is hoping that message energizes the same voters who turned out four years ago, when Northampton County narrowly flipped to him after supporting Trump by a thin margin in 2016.
After seven straight years of Orange Man Bad media programming while the champions of 'Our Democracy' (tm) strip mine what's left America's economic power via the geriatric puppet-in-chief, the swing state drones are having a revelation:

Maybe Orange Man Not-so-Bad?
 
People aren't as blindly stupid as the Democrats think/wish they were. They can see how little spending power their money has now. They know how hard it is to keep their heads above power. They've seen how the Dems have gone from a party that cared about the working man and opposed corporations and pointless wars, to caring only about special interest groups, illegal aliens, and big corporations. They've seen how the Dems policies of open borders and being soft on crime have made communities more dangerous and jobs harder to find. They've seen how the Dems and the degenerates they support have poisoned the minds of our youth and put our children at risk of being groomed, molested, and having their bodies irreparably mutilated. They've seen how normal, hard working Americans are villainized as bigots and Nazis by increasingly radical freaks for their morals and beliefs. They've watched as millions of illegal aliens have flowed over the border to invade their communities, take precious housing, get free handouts, drive up crime rates, poison our countrymen with narcotics, and take resources that should be going to the poor and needy American citizens. They've heard Democrat politicians brush off their concerns about these invaders. They've watched as Democrats have voted to send more and more of their tax dollars and print out more funny money to support wars in other countries, all so that the defense contractors and Blackrock can make a profit off of arms deals and "rebuilding" war ravaged regions when the fighting is over.

They've watched as Democrat politicians have become wealthier because of their ties to the megacorps, investment firms, and defense contractors, and how the Dems voted down bills that would have limited politicians from benefiting off of insider knowledge. They have seen how the Dems have destroyed border security, made securing the border contingent on approving more funding for conflicts in other countries, and how their idea of "securing" the border would still allow 1.8 million illegal aliens to enter the US unopposed every year. They have watched as the current administration worked with tech companies to suppress their freedom of speech.

The American people have watched the DNC sell out America and it's people to corporations, other countries, illegal aliens, and sexual degenerates, all so they can line their own pockets and gain more power for themselves. They have watched as a former President has been the focus of a witch hunt by the current administration, all while the current President has been shielded from the consequences of his own criminal corruption and dereliction of duty. They have seen federal law enforcement weaponized against the American people for their political views. They have watched as mainstream media has been turned into the propaganda wing of one political party and likewise weaponized against the people.

The American people are tired of this shit. The American people are tired of watching the betrayal of their country by its own government.
 
People aren't as blindly stupid as the Democrats think/wish they were. They can see how little spending power their money has now. They know how hard it is to keep their heads above power. They've seen how the Dems have gone from a party that cared about the working man and opposed corporations and pointless wars, to caring only about special interest groups, illegal aliens, and big corporations. They've seen how the Dems policies of open borders and being soft on crime have made communities more dangerous and jobs harder to find. They've seen how the Dems and the degenerates they support have poisoned the minds of our youth and put our children at risk of being groomed, molested, and having their bodies irreparably mutilated. They've seen how normal, hard working Americans are villainized as bigots and Nazis by increasingly radical freaks for their morals and beliefs. They've watched as millions of illegal aliens have flowed over the border to invade their communities, take precious housing, get free handouts, drive up crime rates, poison our countrymen with narcotics, and take resources that should be going to the poor and needy American citizens. They've heard Democrat politicians brush off their concerns about these invaders. They've watched as Democrats have voted to send more and more of their tax dollars and print out more funny money to support wars in other countries, all so that the defense contractors and Blackrock can make a profit off of arms deals and "rebuilding" war ravaged regions when the fighting is over
And the Democrats would be more aware that they are dangerously losing other voting groups if they didn't have such a massive censorship campaign that scared their people from speaking their concerns out loud.
 
The American people have watched the DNC sell out America and it's people to corporations, other countries, illegal aliens, and sexual degenerates, all so they can line their own pockets and gain more power for themselves. They have watched as a former President has been the focus of a witch hunt by the current administration, all while the current President has been shielded from the consequences of his own criminal corruption and dereliction of duty. They have seen federal law enforcement weaponized against the American people for their political views. They have watched as mainstream media has been turned into the propaganda wing of one political party and likewise weaponized against the people.
And they still voted Biden because Orange Man Bad. The end.

I recall reading an interview where a small businesses owner admits his business is failing, but he will still vote Biden. But "unenthusiastically".
 
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A decent portion of my coworkers will openly say that they're fine with a dictator at this point. All this "save our democracy!!!!!" rhetoric has done is make people think it isn't really that important after all.
"I can support ARE DEMOCRACY or feed my family. Gee, tough choice."
To quote the Left's hero, FDR, "People who are hungry and out of a job are the stuff of what dictatorships are made." Something he himself put to excellent use with the New Deal, but the current crop of Dems are so fucking hostile to Americans having paying jobs they can't even pull that off.
 
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Younger people are less likely to express worry about American democracy
The Washington Post (archive.ph)
By Phillip Bump
2024-02-21 21:56:28GMT
Topline PDF (archive.org)
Methodology PDF (archive.ph)
President Biden’s reelection campaign is hoping to frame his expected November rematch against Donald Trump in near-apocalyptic terms: A vote for Trump is a vote for the end of American democracy.

Biden hopes to leverage the same hostility to Trump that powered his victory in 2020 and, so far, polling suggests that much of the incumbent president’s support is, in fact, driven by opposition to Trump. But on this particular point, the idea that American democracy is in a moment of crisis, a crucial component of Biden’s support seems unconvinced.

On Wednesday, Quinnipiac University released its latest national poll, surveying Americans on their views of the likely Trump-Biden rematch.

Biden continues to hold a slim lead, as he did in Quinnipiac’s January poll. Respondents were asked questions evaluating the concerns they might have about Biden and Trump, including each candidate’s age and moral sensibilities. On the former, Trump fared better; on the latter, Biden did.

There was an interesting subtext to the responses, though, that would seem to validate Biden’s approach to November. Quinnipiac found that about 3 in 10 Democrats don’t think Biden is mentally fit for office. A similar percentage of Republicans don’t think Trump is ethical. But among the Democrats who don’t think Biden is mentally fit, 84 percent plan to support him over Trump anyway (when offered a two-person contest). Among Republicans who don’t think Trump is ethical, only 70 percent planned to vote for Trump.

The pollsters also presented respondents with 10 issues, asking them to choose which they viewed as the most important. A plurality selected “preserving democracy in the United States,” largely thanks to that being the choice of nearly a third of Democrats. Nearly as many respondents chose “the economy” and slightly fewer selected “immigration” — the top pick among Republicans.

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The partisan divide was widest on immigration, with relatively few Democrats identifying that as the most important issue. Other options that might have been expected to poll higher — abortion, for example, or crime, the Republican hobbyhorse in 2022 — had relatively few respondents selecting them as the top issue.

On each of the top three issues, there were interesting divides by age. For example, retirement-age Americans were nearly three times as likely as adults under the age of 35 to identify immigration as the most important issue. This is readily explained, though, since older Americans are more likely to be Republicans than are younger Americans.

Less easy to explain is the fact that those age 65 and older were also three times as likely to say that preserving democracy was a top issue.

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In part, this is because younger Americans are more likely to identify as independents than as Democrats and a plurality of independents selected the economy as the most pressing issue. It may also be because younger Americans tend to pay less attention to the news and may therefore be less cognizant of the ways in which democracy is under threat.

Then there’s the fact that younger Americans have grown up in a completely different political era. People who are 26 sit at the middle of the Quinnipiac poll’s youngest age cohort; they were teenagers when Donald Trump announced his candidacy for president in 2015. How Trump approaches politics — including the things that Biden’s campaign hopes to elevate as threats — is part and parcel of how politics have gone their entire adult lives.

We see divides by age on other issues. Younger Americans, born after the Cold War, are less likely to side with Ukraine against Russia, for example. These results seem as though they might be capturing something similar: An appeal to a political frame familiar to older Americans falls flat with younger ones.

Of course, younger Americans are also less likely to be paying attention to the news. As the November election approaches, they will presumably be more likely to do so. But this result from Quinnipiac suggests that Biden’s efforts to frame Trump as a threat to America’s political tradition might fall flat among those for whom the tradition during their adult lives has been Trump.
 
Younger people are less likely to express worry about American democracy
Younger people are fucking retarded and can’t figure out what pronouns to use, so they just kinda, make some shit up.

Let’s run down the list again:
- Taking your candidates off the ballot,
- having the world's biggest Monopolies mass-censor people and ideas we dislike,
- institutionalizing hatred for your people at every level of government and every corporation,
- importing the entire Third World into your neighborhood since you vote wrong,
- sending your tax dollars and children to defend every other place in the world but your own home,
- refusing to punish the most violent members of society,
- giving the most perverted members of society access to your kids, and
- calling you a Huwite Supremist Terrist if you oppose the chemical sterilization and surgical castration of children."
The 26th amendment was a mistake. These aren’t war vets coming back from wasting commies in the jungle anymore, they’re mindless NPCs who willingly subject themselves to commie programming on TikTok while smoking weed and bitching about doing any amount of actual work.

Would this shit happen if you only enfranchised people who pay taxes, actually contribute to society and have some skin in the game? In the orange man bad world of politics, does voting even fucking matter anymore? I honestly don’t know, but it’s a thought.
 
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