US AP: Visa, Mastercard pause decision to track gun shop purchases - A group of 24 GOP state attorneys general wrote a letter to the payment networks threatening legal action against Visa and Mastercard if they moved forward with their plan.

Visa, Mastercard pause decision to track gun shop purchases
Associated Press (archive.ph)
By Ken Sweet
2023-03-09 18:52:08GMT

NEW YORK (AP) — Visa and Mastercard paused their decision to start categorizing purchases at gun shops, a significant win for conservative groups and Second Amendment advocates who felt that tracking gun shop purchases would inadvertently discriminate against legal firearms purchases.

The decision is, at the same time, also a defeat for gun control groups. There had been hope that categorizing credit and debit card purchases would allow authorities to potentially see red flags — like significant ammunition purchases — before a mass shooting could happen.

After Visa and Mastercard announced their plans to implement a separate merchant category code for gun shop purchases, the payment networks got significant pushback from the gun lobby as well as conservative politicians. A group of 24 GOP state attorneys general wrote a letter to the payment networks threatening legal action against Visa and Mastercard if they moved forward with their plan.

There are also bills pending in several state legislatures that would ban the tracking of purchases at gun shops, which would have made it even more difficult for Visa and Mastercard to implement the categorization.

In a statement, Visa indicated that the legal pushback was partially the reason they have paused their implementation.

“There is now significant confusion and legal uncertainty in the payments ecosystem, and the state actions disrupt the intent of global standards,” the company said.

Visa and Mastercard have said that the reason for the gun shop category was a decision outside of their control. The International Organization for Standardization, better known as ISO, is the group that categorizes merchant codes and Visa and Mastercard were just following their decision. Gun control advocates lobbied for the change to ISO, not to Visa and Mastercard.

Further, Visa and Mastercard’s plan would not have tracked individual gun purchases. It would have instead broken out purchases at gun stores as a separate category. But not all large purchases at a gun shop would have been considered a red flag.

For example a purchase of a gun safe, which costs several thousands of dollars, would have been seen as a large purchase at a gun shop even though the safe is considered a responsible tool of gun ownership and unrelated to potential mass shootings.

“Visa and Mastercard came to the correct conclusion. However, they shouldn’t just ‘pause’ their implementation of this plan—they should end it definitively,” said Montana Attorney General Austin Knudsen, who led the 24 state GOP group to pressure Visa and Mastercard to drop the standard, in a statement.
 
This new form of government overreach is horrifying.

We can't silence you, but we can tell Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, etc to silence you. We can't wiretap you, but we can force phone companies/ISPs to give us your records. We can't make a gun registry, but we can force the banks to tell us if you bought a gun.

It is same as hiring a hitman, and saying you didn't actually kill the person. But who's going to hold them accountable? We investigated ourselves, and found we did nothing wrong.
 
This new form of government overreach is horrifying.

We can't silence you, but we can tell Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, etc to silence you. We can't wiretap you, but we can force phone companies/ISPs to give us your records. We can't make a gun registry, but we can force the banks to tell us if you bought a gun.

It is same as hiring a hitman, and saying you didn't actually kill the person. But who's going to hold them accountable? We investigated ourselves, and found we did nothing wrong.
No no just start your own company, don't fight back, only the left uses unmanly tactics like trying to obtain power, cause civil disorder, capture institutions in order to utilize them for their own purposes, impose their will unto others like an authoritarian, or actually have some form of strategy, and you don't want to be like the left do you? I'm sure greed magic will do its thing any day now.
 
Gun shops operate under stricter rules controlled by a more power-tripping organization (the ATF compared to the SEC). If I was to trust one with any sort of my details; it'd be the gunshops before it was the banks.

And oh, by the way; anytime you go in for a gun purchase, gun shops run a NICS check, form 4473. They want everything about you; name, address, place of birth, SSN, etc, everything a bank needs. If the ATF was to sell a gun to someone who failed or they had a bad feeling about, the ATF would come down on them hard, with federal time. If a bank forges your signature, steals your money, your house, your car, or anything else... they get a slap on the wrist. Fuck banks, gun shops are more trustworthy.
Sorry I didn't mean to make it sound like the gunshops are not trustworthy. I was implying that giving your details that can be tracked to such an 'unpopular' (socially unpopular by the woke movement) place like gun shops, is not the best idea. The government can use it against you.

On the flip side, I would not pay on card to have an abortion for the same reasons; Government can track that data and use it against you.
 
Well the whitepill is that all it took was AGs saber rattling.

The blackpill is how much longer will those AGs be around to saber rattle.
Look at how quickly PayPal reopened Floridians' accounts when DeSantis threatened to love them his own way for discriminating against people based on politics. If the Right just showed the tiniest bit of balls, Current Year would pretty much be over in a couple years at most.
 
Pause is them saying 'we're mad that you noticed and are going to do this as soon as the press is off us' and everyone knows it.

In a just world payment processors would be getting their backs broken, but governments are giddy to turn a blind eye since who's going to punish governments for using corporations as an end-run around any pesky rights those unbreathing hordes think they have?
 
Democrat Senators call on payments companies to track gun sales
ReclaimTheNet (archive.ph)
By Ken Macon
2023-03-16 16:48:42GMT

Democrat senators, led by Sens. Elizabeth Warren and Bob Mendez, are calling on the departments of the Treasury and Justice to take action after credit card companies' refusal to track gun purchases.

Last year, following pressure from gun control activists and progressive lawmakers, Visa announced that it would track gun purchases through a new merchant category code. Mastercard and other credit card companies also said they would track gun and ammo purchases.

Earlier this month, we reported that Discover would start tracking gun and ammo purchases through a new MCC beginning April. The report led to pushback from conservatives, gun rights activists, and privacy supporters.

A few days later, Visa and Mastercard announced that they would back off tracking purchases – at least for a while. Discover also said it was pausing plans to start tracking gun purchases.

In a joint letter, Warren and Mendez asked the Treasury and the DOJ to intervene by providing guidance for card companies to adopt the new MCC to track gun purchases.

We obtained a copy of the letter for you here (archive.org).

The senators admitted that the pushback from conservatives had resulted in the card companies changing their minds about the new MCC.

“This effort comes on the heels of recent developments, in which Visa, Mastercard, and American Express have paused the implementation of the new MCC code because some Republican-led states are actively working to block its enactment,” they wrote.

They added: “We urge Treasury and DOJ to quickly publish any policy advisory, enforcement guidance, and other materials needed by financial institutions, retailers, and law enforcement as the new MCC code is implemented for gun and ammunition stores. … We also ask Treasury, with input from the DOJ, to issue guidance to financial institutions regarding circumstances that should prompt financial firms to file a suspicious activity report about transactions they suspect are related to trafficking in firearms, money laundering proceeds from trafficking in firearms, or other criminal activity.”
 

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Back in the day when large bills got those plastic security strips embedded in the bill itself, rumor was that it could be used to track money. Its been 'deboonked,' but given the happenings over the last week I'm not too sure about that.
 
I would literally die for a lawmaker that wanted to regulate VC/MC into the fucking ground
Didn't Hawley draft something to that effect? Or am I thinking of a different thing with him?
 
Back in the day when large bills got those plastic security strips embedded in the bill itself, rumor was that it could be used to track money. Its been 'deboonked,' but given the happenings over the last week I'm not too sure about that.
I will now start microwaving my cash before making gun purchases I guess
 
Looks like our version of cyberpunk is the kind where people will have start living day to day wary about corporations. This pic was done as a joke, but it may as well be reality now. Complete with portable faraday cage lined with foil for the pesky government tracker best known as a smartphone.

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Our reality is beginning to resemble Deus Ex crossed with Metal Gear but without the cyborgs, cool robots and psychics.
 

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This is good news, as I think the savings from ammo purchasing online simply can not be beat, and my local selection has been awful; can't even find 9mm hollow points in town. That being said, what's to stop these companies from doing it anyways and not just telling anybody? It's not like banks and payment processors give a fuck about laws or rights, and we all know the government won't hold them accountable.

For example, if I used a Mastercard to buy ammo tomorrow, couldn't they still easily track it under these codes? Or can you publicly check what codes they're using and where? I somewhat believe Visa since they were the only one to push back against this from the outset (shockingly), but all the rest seemed eager to get on board.
 
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