Apple now assumes that you're a pedo

[ArnoldPalmer]

The takeaway lesson here is that we build our own prisons with technology. Ted Kaczynski was on the mark in that respect, at least. Do you want a comfortable prison, or do you want to rough it a little bit and carve out a little niche of freedom by not using the shit all the time?

There's no going back to a pre-surveillance state. Every government and corporation would say they don't do it, and do it anyway, like they did before Snowden blew his load. We allowed this to happen, and it's never gonna stop, so long as we have a traditional top-down government. We can huff and puff and pretend we're above dynastic rule, serfdom, and slavery, but I think we have all that shit right now in different forms, and we elected it because we thought there was some better stuff to do than pay attention to the Terms of Service, or specific language of damn near every bill. You want Big Government? You want Big Corporation? This is what you get. The industrial revolution and its consequences have been an unironic and staggering disaster for the human race. Return to monke sometimes. Leave your phone in your home when you touch grass. It will be there when you get back. Find the time to flee to a cottage in the woods if you can. Don't take that shit for granted, there are only one or two steps left to go before it's Cybertranny 2099 and we're all abominations of God's creation, just for a paycheck.

 

[All Cops Are Based]

Leave your phone in your home when you touch grass. It will be there when you get back.

That depends on the diversity level of your neighborhood

 

[awoo]

No one brought up the preimage attack yet?

Working Collision? · Issue #1 · AsuharietYgvar/AppleNeuralHash2ONNX

Can you verify that these two images collide? Here's what I see from following your directions: $ python3 nnhash.py NeuralHash/model.onnx neuralhash_128x96_seed1.dat beagle360.png 59a34eabe3191...

github.com

Apple’s CSAM detection tech is under fire — again – TechCrunch

Apple has encountered monumental backlash to a new child sexual abuse material (CSAM) detection technology it announced earlier this month. The system, which Apple calls NeuralHash, has yet to be activated for its billion-plus users, but the technology is already facing heat from security researche…

techcrunch.com

 

[ToroidalBoat]

There's no going back to a pre-surveillance state.

At least a silver lining to any future collapse is that this dystopian technocracy could end.

I think we're heading toward collapse far sooner than most might think. I'm not dooming, just being realistic, and it's not all bad: after the collapse, in whatever capacity, perhaps we can seize an opportunity to put this shit right and get the ship on course for once.

 

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No one brought up the preimage attack yet?

Working Collision? · Issue #1 · AsuharietYgvar/AppleNeuralHash2ONNX

Can you verify that these two images collide? Here's what I see from following your directions: $ python3 nnhash.py NeuralHash/model.onnx neuralhash_128x96_seed1.dat beagle360.png 59a34eabe3191...

github.com

Apple’s CSAM detection tech is under fire — again – TechCrunch

Apple has encountered monumental backlash to a new child sexual abuse material (CSAM) detection technology it announced earlier this month. The system, which Apple calls NeuralHash, has yet to be activated for its billion-plus users, but the technology is already facing heat from security researche…

techcrunch.com

This still requires the list of hashes to be extracted from the device, which I don't believe has been done yet. It will be important to do that and then generate a bunch of colliding gore and pornographic images to spam Apple with. One problem is that the images can be manually reviewed, and presumably can then be flagged with a _real_ hash to exclude them from being shown again, so it's important to be able to completely overwhelm Apple with false reports.
EDIT: And apparently they're using a second verification network on the server side before the manual review process. Well, back to just doing bad things to Apple employees as a solution for this.

 

[Iron Jaguar]

So you're saying Apple knows its user base?

 

[Never Scored]

I'm surprised you guys still haven't realized that all this talk of private property, consumer rights, and local storage is completely irrelevant.

You do not own your iPhone in the way you think you do. You own the physical hardware when the phone is out of warranty, but you do NOT own Apple's software. The software, firmware, middleware, is all under license agent to the Terms of Service, which you agreed to by clicking the Agree/Accept button, which means Apple has full legal right to do whatever the fuck they want with the software for as long as you're using it. Your data is their express property. All of the pictures on your Facebook account are Facebook's property.

You literally own nothing, goy. Not unless you want to start running OpenBSD or Alpine Linux on your phone. If you want to do something about this, sacrifice some creature comforts and do that.

Then I should be able to put whatever software I want on it. Apple should not legally be able to put locks in place to keep me from putting non-Apple software on my device.

 

[awoo]

This still requires the list of hashes to be extracted from the device, which I don't believe has been done yet.

True, though this model was extracted from iOS 14 when it was supposed to be rolled out in iOS 15 (according to the person who extracted the models, tedious but not difficult work in a debugger). Who knows how Apple is implementing the manual review process. If people can organize distributed preimage attacks where let's say every few minutes they force a unique false positive to occur, across thousands of voluntary or compromised devices, it could overwhelm a manual review.

The other point is that if the neural hash is reverse engineered, smart CP owners will be able to come up with effective image manipulation strategies to avoid detection. (In the deep learning space, there is a constant arms race between fooling neural networks and then detecting the fooling)

 

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True, though this model was extracted from iOS 14 when it was supposed to be rolled out in iOS 15 (according to the person who extracted the models, tedious but not difficult work in a debugger). Who knows how Apple is implementing the manual review process. If people can organize distributed preimage attacks where let's say every few minutes they force a unique false positive to occur, across thousands of voluntary or compromised devices, it could overwhelm a manual review.

The other point is that if the neural hash is reverse engineered, smart CP owners will be able to come up with effective image manipulation strategies to avoid detection. (In the deep learning space, there is a constant arms race between fooling neural networks and then detecting the fooling)

The problem is that, probably as a reaction to people targeting the on-device network, they're doing server-side verification with a neural network with different weightings, which will make it difficult to overwhelm both automated, pre-human parts of the overall spy program unless you know the weights for the server-side network and have the server-side set of hashes.

That means even when the hash values are extracted from iOS 15, and even if the server-side algorithm is well documented, and even if the hashes used by the server-side network are released, it's going to be a much more computationally difficult task to generate collisions to cause problems for Apple.

If Apple engineers don't leak those shortly, people should start going through LinkedIn for Apple employees with 'neural hash' mentioned in their bios and start doing things.

 

[Niggernerd]

I mean, if you own a apple device you likely are.

 

[ClownBrew]

Can they also use this tech to send the Bumfuckinghamshire Police Constabulary after bongs who type the word "Paki" without a license?

 

[DerKryptid]

I don't wanna sound like a boomer, but what do you need to fear if you don't have cp on your phone?

Are you afraid of the CIA haxx0ring cp onto your device or something?

 

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I don't wanna sound like a boomer, but what do you need to fear if you don't have cp on your phone?

Are you afraid of the CIA haxx0ring cp onto your device or something?

This is obviously not aimed at child porn. It is simply intended as something to be expanded on in future for mass surveillance against anyone who suggests jews don't have the right to murder every last Palestinian, or that nations have the right to live free from genocidal thieving jews.

 

[DerKryptid]

This is obviously not aimed at child porn. It is simply intended as something to be expanded on in future for mass surveillance against anyone who suggests jews don't have the right to murder every last Palestinian, or that nations have the right to live free from genocidal thieving jews.

As far as I know, the bugmen at Apple inc already scan your files on a daily basis and upload your biometrics to their big haram database so this is nothing new. At least the jews at apple get to make their onboard mass-surveillance technology useful by catching the odd pedo here and there.

 

[Israel did nothing wrong]

I hardly update my phone so my question to them is, If this is going to be rolled out with IOS 15 then what happens if I don't update?

 

[Xarpho]

Yes, but more like the past 30 years of technology and the law surrounding it has finally come to a head. Remember, they're well within legal right to do this. If you want them to stop, take some scalps. They are immune to class-action lawsuits. You won't win in court. Protesting does nothing. Voting with your wallet is a great mantra if the economy was 60 years younger. The only recourse, much like in now every other sector of society, is violence. Alternatively, use only FOSS and live like a hermit as Stallman does.

My gut feeling is despite mostly supporting left wing politicians, Big Tech has gotten a lot of politicians and judges bought and paid for. I know the media companies have "donated" to enough Republicans (I think I read the split was 60:40) that they can never do anything like repeal the DMCA.

 

[GHTD]

My gut feeling is despite mostly supporting left wing politicians, Big Tech has gotten a lot of politicians and judges bought and paid for. I know the media companies have "donated" to enough Republicans (I think I read the split was 60:40) that they can never do anything like repeal the DMCA.

Look up just about any big company on OpenSecrets (even the "woke" ones) and you'd be in for a surprise.

Target, for instance, donated about $22,000 more to Republicans than Democrats in 2020.

 

[PaulBearer]

How many times has 'freedom' had it's neck stepped on through the guise of 'saving the kids'?

They way they use noncery to excuse the fact they really want to spy on everything people do and say...manufacturing consent for their police state.

And if you complain or point it out you're a suspect...insidious is the word.

Like others have said on here, they won't stop at the vile paedos and teenage abusers...it will be such a success that eventually you won't be able to say or do a single thing unsanctioned by the state without 'alterations' being made to your social score.

 

[PaulBearer]

I don't wanna sound like a boomer, but what do you need to fear if you don't have cp on your phone?

Are you afraid of the CIA haxx0ring cp onto your device or something?

Don't be a 'nothing to fear' idiot...that's why they are testing it out with something as vile as CP...so people like you say that and consent to the concept.

 

[DerKryptid]

Don't be a 'nothing to fear' idiot...that's why they are testing it out with something as vile as CP...so people like you say that and consent to the concept.

I literally have nothing left to fear since Google and the NSA already spy on my shit 24/7. What else CAN big tech do to threaten me with when they already collect my data on the daily? The feds can push a button to blow up my house from across the continent, you think I'm really gonna be scared of apple upping their spyware to compete with samsung in who can fuck my ass over the hardest?