Are Viruses Real?

[Cheeseknife]

You're late coming out with this opinion since we've already saved lives with these technologies.

Can you give examples of lives that were saved by these technologies?

I don't have time to watch all of these.

And what if I don't have time to read everything you post? Do I just ignore you too despite whatever insights you might provide?

Yet they have nothing to say about one of the most useful genomic tools to come from it. Funny that.

There's a saying that goes, if you've already rebuked the devil, then why should you care about what his children have to say?

Then when you take your product and try to align the sequence, you'll find that it won't align with any of the host's genome in the case of viral genes, and with your wild-type uninfected control you won't find that same gene being present at all, meaning that gene is coming from whatever infected them.

How do you know it's not aligning for the reasons it's not aligning? Why does it have to be the specific reasons you're giving? This is what he means when he says it's a "self-fulfilling prophecy" and you're falling into the same trap. It's like saying you can't fit any other shape inside a square-shaped hole because it's square-shaped.

 

[Aether Witch]

Don't be so quick to dismiss something just because you don't understand it and because it hasn't personally improved your own life as that's incredibly disrespectful to the work of the people who dedicate their careers to saving others.

Oh, I'll be fast as hell to not only dismiss something, but to reject and denounce it, not because I don't understand it or isn't personally improving my own life (really? Do you think I dismiss things just because they don't improve things for me personally?), I'll reject it if it's extremely dangerous and reckless, and it has the potential to cause irreparable damage. Doctors used to have to make the Hyppocratic Oath, for very good reason. Now most doctors have completely abandoned it, and scientists like the ones using CRISPR have never given a single fuck about the possible consequences. I don't care how disrespectful any scientist or doctor think I'm being, when they're doing this kind of shit. "Dedicate their careers to saving others". That's a funny one. Most are in these careers for their own personal benefit, and the status that comes with "Dr". There are many as well who have good intentions but are just indoctrinated into believing anything they learn in medical school, since critical thought isn't a skill that's taught in schools nowadays.
We need a lot less "respect" and a lot less reverence for doctors and so called scientists who just happen to hold a title while engaging in activities that are morally dubious, to put it very mildly. The kind of reverence that used to be reserved for those who blindly followed religious authorities is now granted to doctors and scientists. And that's exactly what got us 3 years of tyranny, dictated by the medical-pharma complex.
CRISPR itself is now known for causing various types of cancers, but tell me more about how I'm just too much of a peasant to understand the godliness of these marvellous Science™ creations.

I don't have time to watch all of these. If you don't even understand the videos well yourself to summarize the relevant key points to what I'm saying then you're not helping anyone.

It's fine, you don't have to watch any of those. I'm mostly posting them in case someone's reading this conversation, and wants to have a clear understanding of PCR. I summarized the relevant key points further down in my response. But for anyone who still has any doubts about this, PCR only serves to amplify a little bit of something and creates a whole lot of that something, it doesn't work for viral diagnostics. This was said by Kary Mullis himself, the inventor of PCR.

https://odysee.com/@grok-sword:9/kary.mullis.pcr:9

He was completely against the use of PCR in the diagnosis of "HIV". He also conveniently died the summer before the coof scamdemic "broke out".

In a nutshell the argument in the "paper" appears to be arguing:

Point:
-Look at these strange basic things growing inside cells, lets call them viruses

Counterpoint:
-ACTUALLY I don't think we should call them that. I refuse to call them that.

Well, now this. THIS is a retarded take. Your comprehension skills are non-existent from what I can tell. I seriously worry about you if this is your general comprehension level, your safety is severely compromised.

Nowhere in the paper do they refuse to call "them" anything, they just argue that the things being called viruses (no matter what you want to call "them", regardless of what you call "them") don't exist, or at least have never been proved to exist (which at this point just shows that the idea of viruses is a scam, like The Emperor's New Clothes), and they go on to dismantle the quackery in which virologists engage on a daily basis.

-Reading their (Sam and Mark Bailey) website (https://drsambailey.com/) they still believe you get sick, but it's not a virus that makes you sick it's a problem with how your body reacts to the virus. In other words if I shoot you with this bullet, it isn't the bullet that kills you, it's the fact your body reacts badly, and you leak out all of your blood.

Of course they believe you get sick, people get sick, that's a fact. No one ever claimed that sickness doesn't exist. "It's a problem with how you react to the virus", no. What a dishonest, and/or completely moronic take. There's no virus. There's no bullet. That's the claim. Your body reacts to toxicity, or stress (a form of toxicity) or physical injury, etc. as a way to self-heal, but no tiny invisible boogeyman is kicking you in the stomach until you vomit.

Honestly I don't know why I'm surprised at all, lichens don't even have a brain. What did I expect?

 

[Colloid]

Can you give examples of lives that were saved by these technologies?

Literally anyone who has taken T-VEC for starters.

And what if I don't have time to read everything you post? Do I just ignore you too despite whatever insights you might provide?

Yes, duh. Everyone's time is valuable to themselves.

How do you know it's not aligning for the reasons it's not aligning? Why does it have to be the specific reasons you're giving? This is what he means when he says it's a "self-fulfilling prophecy" and you're falling into the same trap. It's like saying you can't fit any other shape inside a square-shaped hole because it's square-shaped.

Because your sample data also includes amplified parts of your host genome that's aligning perfectly fine so it can't be an issue with how the program is running or the purity of your sample. And then when you take a closer look at the sequence that isn't aligning and find that it's still functional but codes for a protein not part of your host then you can deduce its from another organism regardless of where it's from. And then when you refer to pathogenic genome databases you can usually identify where it did come from even. I mean the technology behind the sequencing and alignment is one of the more basic parts really.

(really? Do you think I dismiss things just because they don't improve things for me personally?)

Well you clearly have some kind of chip on your shoulder regarding the medical industry despite there still being plenty of good doctors and scientists still working hard for medicine that most will take for granted so yes, actually. And you're not going to win over hardly anyone simply pulling whataboutisms over methods you don't understand.

It's fine, you don't have to watch any of those. I'm mostly posting them in case someone's reading this conversation, and wants to have a clear understanding of PCR.

No one is going to bother if you can't pitch it to them quickly and succinctly. For your own sake you need to break that bad habit when trying to convince anyone everything. Same reason no one reads those posters with paragraphs taking up half the space at conventions.

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

Again, just because there's a lack of evidence of viruses existing doesn't mean that we have to prove anything. Those defending the virus theory are the ones who should provide proof that these imaginary particles are responsible for illness. That being said, terrain theory does a much better job of explaining illness (in my opinion) than germ theory. To me it makes a lot of sense that the body gets "ill" in the sense that it's cleansing itself. In the case of what we refer to as the common cold an the flu, this is pretty obvious. The way most people eat, think and live right now isn't exactly healthy. The body at certain points needs to flush out all the toxic crap people put into it, and the flu and the cold are just mechanisms that facilitate the flushing. The fact that most people just use drugs to cancel out the process is counterintuitive, you're initerrupting the body's natural healing crisis, so you can start going to your 9 to 5 and feed it crap again ASAP.

So what "terrain" changed when Europeans introduced a dozen-plus viral diseases to Native Americans such as smallpox, measles, etc.? The Plains Indians were probably the healthiest race on the planet in the early 1800s in terms of diet hence why they were among the tallest people on Earth. But there is no correlation between years they suffered epidemic and years bison numbers were low from environmental factors/overhunting (EDIT: Beside famines caused by disease preventing the men from hunting). Why were the healthiest people on Earth dying of epidemic disease at a far greater rate than even 19th century poor urban white people, who were incredibly due to living in smog-filled cities with bad sanitation and eating a diet heavy in carbs and preservatives?

 

[Cheeseknife]

Literally anyone who has taken T-VEC for starters.

I was hoping you'd have a link to something.

Yes, duh. Everyone's time is valuable to themselves.

If that were the case, I wouldn't be taking that time out talking to you in the first place, would I?

Because your sample data also includes amplified parts of your host genome that's aligning perfectly fine so it can't be an issue with how the program is running or the purity of your sample. And then when you take a closer look at the sequence that isn't aligning and find that it's still functional but codes for a protein not part of your host then you can deduce its from another organism regardless of where it's from. And then when you refer to pathogenic genome databases you can usually identify where it did come from even. I mean the technology behind the sequencing and alignment is one of the more basic parts really.

Again, your host genome is the prophecy that fulfills itself. The purity of your sample relies on it which means it's the reason your sample can even be called "pure" in the first place. This is entirely backwards, circular logic. We know the genome aligns perfectly because our sample is pure and our sample is pure because it aligns with the genome.

Am I missing something here?

 

[Tablet County]

We live in a magical age where just enough time has passed between earth-shattering discoveries and now that people can say any old dumb shit and there's nobody qualified enough to disprove it. God bless the never-ending spiral of entropy.

@Cheeseknife I've noticed you seem to carry a lot of water for @Aether Witch for some reason. I get that you're defending their right to be skeptical and making the point that people accept science as-is without needing to see it with their own two eyes, but why do you feel the need to don shining armor for this maiden fair? You don't need to argue on their behalf on their own profile page and yet there you are, bravely striking back against the slanderous trolls and anime avatars. It's a bit fucking sus if you ask me.

 

[Cheeseknife]

@Cheeseknife I've noticed you seem to carry a lot of water for @Aether Witch for some reason. I get that you're defending their right to be skeptical and making the point that people accept science as-is without needing to see it with their own two eyes, but why do you feel the need to don shining armor for this maiden fair? You don't need to argue on their behalf on their own profile page and yet there you are, bravely striking back against the slanderous trolls and anime avatars. It's a bit fucking sus if you ask me.

Any excuse to call out anime pedo faggots is a win for me.

Plus the fact that I agree with the person whose opinion and determinations I believe are correct is an argument that makes itself.

 

[Tablet County]

Plus the fact that I agree with the person whose opinion and determinations I believe is are correct is an argument that makes itself.

Homeopath pussy isn't worth it, man. Trust me.

 

[Cheeseknife]

Homeopath pussy isn't worth it, man. Trust me.

So I have to disagree with him in order to prove I'm not what you think I am?

Hmm...nah.

 

[Tablet County]

So I have to disagree with him in order to prove I'm not what you think I am?

Hmm...nah.

You don't have to disagree with anyone or prove anything, I don't even know where this line of thinking came from to be honest. I just don't understand the reason you've decided to so passionately defend this random schmuck on the internet who can presumably stand up for himself.
Hell, I can't even really weigh in on this argument because virology and pathology and what-have-you is completely over my head, so for all I know viruses don't exist and the existence of viruses is all a ploy to sell more medication.
It just bothers me how defensive you are over this rando and their anime reaction images. Something smells fishy, and I showered today so it's probably not me.
Also my last post was a joke. I don't actually believe you're trying to fuck Aether Witch. I don't even know if they have a pussy. In the event that you are however, please let me know so that I can mock you for being a simp.

 

[Cheeseknife]

You don't have to disagree with anyone or prove anything,

Yes, I do. If someone tells the truth or at least makes a very good case for why something is true, then I am compelled to agree with them. If there's something needing to be proved, I do need to prove it. Did you forget you're in a debate thread? Are you not familiar with how debate works?

What a strange thing to say when you've marked my posts as dumb or whatever and you want to tell me I don't have to disagree or prove anything.

The rest of your post doesn't really matter since your mind is made up and you really aren't invested in the topic at hand. The YouTube video with the pancakes is funny, at the very least. Made me chuckle a bit. Thanks for that.

 

[Tablet County]

Yes, I do. If someone tells the truth or at least makes a very good case for why something is true, then I am compelled to agree with them. If there's something needing to be proved, I do need to prove it. Did you forget you're in a debate thread? Are you not familiar with how debate works?

What a strange thing to say when you've marked my posts as dumb or whatever and you want to tell me I don't have to disagree or prove anything.

The rest of your post doesn't really matter since your mind is made up and you really aren't invested in the topic at hand. The YouTube video with the pancakes is funny, at the very least. Made me chuckle a bit. Thanks for that.

>caring about ratings
You're taking this all way too personally. I came into this thread for the potential entertainment value, I'm not here to debate because internet debate isn't that far off from pissing and shitting yourself in public. I negrated you because you're being obtuse and I hoped it might make you realize that and stop you from retreating up your own ass. To bring it back to my first point, I find your white knighting of @Aether Witch outside of this thread suspicious and your deflection only makes me more uneasy.
And the clip is from Trash Humpers, a Harmony Korine film. It's an experience.

 

[Aether Witch]

Well you clearly have some kind of chip on your shoulder regarding the medical industry despite there still being plenty of good doctors and scientists still working hard for medicine that most will take for granted so yes, actually. And you're not going to win over hardly anyone simply pulling whataboutisms over methods you don't understand.

There are many good doctors and scientists, I'll give you that, but the ones with at least a little bit of integrity, like the Baileys, or the Lankas of the world, have called out the unscientific and predatory ways of the medical establishment, and as it was to be expected, unfortunately been treated like shit by said establishment, and many of them have had their licenses to practice revoked. In the case of Stefan Lanka and other scientists, they just get hit with smear campaigns, and scientific journals are afraid of publishing their findings. So I have very little respect for any doctor or scientist who knows of the frauds that are going on and isn't speaking up out of fear of repercussions, given what's at stake. There are plenty of doctors and scientists who are also full of good intentions, but have blind faith in the system, which makes them extremely dangerous, since they don't question if their methods are actually conducive to health or truth.

You don't know what a whataboutism is, apparently. The fact that CRISPR and other gene editing in general is extremely dangerous is a fact, and completely related to what we're talking about, and these are the things we have to thank for bringing about infertile Monsanto seeds that only last one crop, and that are causing the suicide of farmers in India, for example.

https://digitalcommons.salve.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1001&context=env334_justice

CRISPR is also a marvellous tool for eugenicists all around the world, as is all gene editing. Even the medical establishment is being forced to recognize some of the very real potential dangers of something like CRISPR.

https://answers.childrenshospital.org/crispr-gene-editing/

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-018-0049-z

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/168443v1

No one is going to bother if you can't pitch it to them quickly and succinctly.

I think I did just that, in the paragraph you quoted, but I guess that's up for readers of this thread to decide.

What a strange thing to say when you've marked my posts as dumb or whatever and you want to tell me I don't have to disagree or prove anything.

Strange things to bring up, indeed. It sounds like something you'd talk about when you have nothing else to say. Honestly, this implication that you're trying to "simp for me" simply because we agree with each other and we seem to be the only 2 people debating this at the moment from the same point of view is gross, and a very cheap ad hominem attack.

You're taking this all way too personally. I came into this thread for the potential entertainment value, I'm not here to debate because internet debate isn't that far off from pissing and shitting yourself in public.

Makes personal attacks. "Woah, you're taking this way too personally!". Fuck off. You knew exactly what you were doing. If you're not here to debate, if this is all way too much for you to decide either way (even though you regularly mark our posts as dumb and seem to agree with the ones from the other side, since you regularly like them), when you have nothing else to bring to the conversation but personal attacks (of the side you disagree with), at least have the decency of being honest and have the balls to stand behind your dumb accusations. "You're taking this way too personally". Grow up.

Also my last post was a joke. I don't actually believe you're trying to fuck Aether Witch.

I find your white knighting of @Aether Witch outside of this thread suspicious

So which one is it? Is it a joke or are you serious? You're so pathetic you can't even stand behind your own statements. "You don't have to disagree with anyone or prove anything,"
When you make an accusation and bring the conversation to this level, you're obviously making it with expectations in mind. Mainly, trying to tarnish someone's image, maybe because you don't lke what they're arguing (can't say what your intentions are for certain), and going "you don't have to prove anything or disagree with anyone" is dishonest and cowardly. You've effectively set up a slimy trap where if he agrees with me in the future, he now knows that the likes of you will come out and use that as a personal attack. I think @Cheeseknife has a lot more balls than you do, and he'll agree or disagree with arguments regardless of that, but the tactic you're using is still manipulative and gross.

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

>caring about ratings
You're taking this all way too personally. I came into this thread for the potential entertainment value, I'm not here to debate because internet debate isn't that far off from pissing and shitting yourself in public. I negrated you because you're being obtuse and I hoped it might make you realize that and stop you from retreating up your own ass. To bring it back to my first point, I find your white knighting of @Aether Witch outside of this thread suspicious and your deflection only makes me more uneasy.
And the clip is from Trash Humpers, a Harmony Korine film. It's an experience.

I'm fairly positive @Aether Witch is @Cheeseknife are the same person. Both get way too upset when you don't agree with their galaxy brained conclusions they discovered by watching a Rumble video from some weirdo who cites reports by homosexuals who don't believe AIDS exists so they can have wild gay sex parties.

They also can't answer simple questions and both are very homosexual. But they're free to prove me wrong at any point.

 

[Cheeseknife]

caring about ratings

Caring about the fact that I agree with someone else in a debate thread about a topic that I agree with.

You're taking this all way too personally.

Your continually nagging me about this is you taking this all way too personally.

I'm not here to debate

Then you're in the wrong thread.

I negrated you because you're being obtuse and I hoped it might make you realize that and stop you from retreating up your own ass.

No, you negrated me because you can't actually argue for or against this matter. Your mind is made up and so, in lieu of any critical thinking or the ability to read and understand, you just react. You got Tik Tok brain.

To bring it back to my first point, I find your white knighting of @Aether Witch outside of this thread suspicious and your deflection only makes me more uneasy.

"You're agreeing with someone too much, so that makes me suspicious!"

You do realize you can make a thread asking the community if you think two users are the same person, right? Go do it, faggot.

 

[Aether Witch]

Both get way too upset when you don't agree with their galaxy brained conclusions they discovered by watching a Rumble video from some weirdo who cites reports by homosexuals who don't believe AIDS exists so they can have wild gay sex parties.

Oh, yeah I'm so upset I automatically mark every post you make as dumb, that's how upset I am Are you sure you're not talking about yourself here?

What Rumble video? Which homosexual reports were specifically cited?

They also can't answer simple questions

I just made two very simple questions, I hope you have good answers.

But they're free to prove me wrong at any point.

Personally, why would I cave to you? Why would I care what you think? I don't know about @Cheeseknife , but personally, I have no wish to prove anything to you. How would we even do that? By going on a zoom call at the same time with you?
Yeah, no thanks. I don't even think you actually believe we're different people, you're just incredibly bitter.

 

[Tablet County]

Makes personal attacks. "Woah, you're taking this way too personally!". Fuck off. You knew exactly what you were doing. If you're not here to debate, if this is all way too much for you to decide either way (even though you regularly mark our posts as dumb and seem to agree with the ones from the other side, since you regularly like them), when you have nothing else to bring to the conversation but personal attacks (of the side you disagree with), at least have the decency of being honest and have the balls to stand behind your dumb accusations. "You're taking this way too personally".

Tear-stained hands typed this.
For my own part, I've long gotten over caring what people on the internet say or think about me, so I guess I assumed that other reasonable, level-headed people like @Cheeseknife followed that. I'm not debating because all of this shit goes over my head, like I said. What I do know for certain is that you're a colossal faggot and you react like a teenage girl when you're pissed off and that's funny.

So which one is it? Is it a joke or are you serious? You're so pathetic you can't even stand behind your own statements. Grow up.

You're dumb as shit. The post where I said that homeopath pussy isn't worth it was a joke, the post where I express that @Cheeseknife's impassioned defense of you outside of this thread is kind of weird was not a joke. Pay attention to things.

When you make an accusation and bring the conversation to this level, you're obviously making it with expectations in mind. Mainly, trying to tarnish someone's image, maybe because you don't lke what they're arguing (can't say what your intentions are for certain), and going "you don't have to prove anything or disagree with anyone" is dishonest and cowardly. You've effectively set up a slimy trap where if he agrees with me in the future, he now knows that the likes of you will come out and use that as a personal attack. I think @Cheeseknife has a lot more balls than you do, and he'll agree or disagree with arguments regardless of that, but the tactic you're using is still manipulative and gross.

I have the expectation that @Cheeseknife is a level-headed and reasonable person based on other posts he's made so when I see him doing something downright odd like going onto somebody's profile page to defend their honor it strikes me as a little strange. It's not that he agrees with you that puts me off, there are plenty of people on this website whose views I see as batshit or distateful who I still respect, like Drain Todger or AgendaPoster. If Cheeseknife believes that viruses aren't real based on the evidence he's seen then I'm not in a position to dissuade him. But if he goes out of his way to clap back at all the damn dirty trolls calling you a nigger retard faggot on your profile page it makes it seem like he has more of a personal stake in this than he should otherwise. I don't genuinely believe he wants to tap that ass.

You do realize you can make a thread asking the community if you think two users are the same person, right? Go do it, faggot.

I was never under the impression that you two were the same person. That was @Save the Loli's assumption who you'll see I disagreed with, seeing as you have an eye for negrates. Odd that you would bring that up and become so hyper-defensive about it when I never once intimated that you were one and the same. It's also weird that you (rightfully) hate anime profile pics but give a pass to anime reaction images.

You're taking this all way too personally.

You're taking this all way too personally.

why are you being retarded on christmas? there are 364 other days to spread your flat earth-level conspiracies on

go spend time with your family, schizo boy

Why are you being retarded on Christmas? There are 364 other days to spread your asinine thoughts on

go spend time with your family, schizo boy

 

[Aether Witch]

You're dumb as shit. The post where I said that homeopath pussy isn't worth it was a joke, the post where I express that @Cheeseknife's impassioned defense of you outside of this thread is kind of weird was not a joke. Pay attention to things.

And this is what I mean when I say you're an absolute coward. You're afraid of fully committing to your insinuations, so you feel the need to act dumb and pretend like you're not really saying what you're saying. Like right now, where you're implying we're the same person because we had similar responses to different posts, right after you denied that you think we're the same person. You're a spineless little hypocrite.

"But if he goes out of his way to clap back at all the damn dirty trolls calling you a nigger retard faggot on your profile page it makes it seem like he has more of a personal stake in this than he should otherwise. I don't genuinely believe he wants to tap that ass."
You don't genuinely believe anything, but you find it weird that he has "MoRe Of A pErSoNaL sTaKe". Okay, lol. You'll really just say anything.

 

[Cheeseknife]

I've long gotten over caring what people on the internet say or think about me

So why keep bringing it up? Seems to me her lady doth protest too much.

You're dumb as shit.

So, you say you don't care, but then you make personal attacks after you've told others not take things personally.
This is projection, pure and simple.

And this is what I mean when I say you're an absolute coward. You're afraid of fully committing to your insinuations, so you feel the need to act dumb and pretend like you're not really saying what you're saying. Like right now, where you're implying we're the same person because we had similar responses to different posts, right after you denied that you think we're the same person. You're a spineless little hypocrite.

He's just combing through my posts trying to tell me that I'm wrong for having an opinion and agreeing with you rather than actually spend that time looking into the topic. And the funny thing is, I don't even know what his opinion actually is about this topic, only that he seemingly doesn't like it when other people have theirs.

 

[Tablet County]

And this is what I mean when I say you're an absolute coward. You're afraid of fully committing to your insinuations, so you feel the need to act dumb and pretend like you're not really saying what you're saying. Like right now, where you're implying we're the same person because we had similar responses to different posts, right after you denied that you think we're the same person. You're a spineless little hypocrite.

I just thought you two might've been friends or something and Cheeseknife felt the need to defend you out of a personal obligation to a good buddy, I never would've suspected the two of you were the same had Cheese not become incredibly defensive about it all of the sudden. All of these things can be explained away reasonably without throwing a massive fit and yet you two choose to deflect and become disproportionately indignant.
You're the one being manipulative by attempting to paint me as some kind of bitch baby faggot who can't come out and say what he thinks, which is silly, because I've told you what I think; that you're a colossal faggot.

So why keep bringing it up? Seems to me her lady doth protest too much.

I didn't bring up feeling personally attacked, so I don't know where you got that from. Your posts are also minutes apart from Aether Witch's so lol.

So, you say you don't care, but then you make personal attacks after you've told others not take things personally.

This is projection, pure and simple.

Calling people stupid when I say that I don't care when people call me stupid means I'm projecting now? You do know that you can call somebody retarded without being personally invested, right? I tell people on this site to kill themselves all the time without letting my personal feelings get in the way. Talk about projection.
I don't think I've ever had this much trouble getting somebody on the internet to explain themselves. You and Aether Witch are tying yourselves in knots trying to find some hidden gotcha that isn't there when the only thing I really want is an explanation for why you decided to go on someone's profile page to defend them that isn't just "anime fags lol" or "I agree with them so I am honor bound to defeat all their trolls in keyboard combat". 'Cause if it's the first one I don't believe it due to Aether Witch's constant use of anime reaction images, and if it's the second one then that's silly and you should be giggled at for it.