Are we doomed? How bad do you think it is? - Brought to you in part by Paul Joseph Watson of InfoWars

[Foxxo]

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He's been writing for them until this late Monday. Twitter says he's JUST announced he's leaving infowars. I wonder if that's why he tweeted about the "Jew question" (which was, btw, hilarious). He said he's starting his own thing, which is great. Good for him.

And not, I don't think he's a classical liberal: he leans too left for that, but that's just my own opinion on it. I could be wrong.

But yes: what we can call "classic conservatism" is believing in monarchy, meritocracy, goverhment, hierarchies, religion, etc.

Uh, buddy, that's an article laughing at a left-wing conspiracy theory. You actually had me shaken there for a moment, I'll give you that.

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He's not with infowars anymore, and hasn't been for quite some time. That's why there's no infowars logo at the end of his videos.

Are you trying to say that he's a classical liberal? Because that list of beliefs is classical (not leftist) liberalism. Most conservatives are classical liberals (as are lolbertarians). Classical conservatism (I think its called traditionalism now?), things like belief in monarchy, etc, is dead and taboo.
Clarification please?

He can call himself a conservative if he thinks that liberal values are becoming "dead and taboo" like saying we should have a king. Conservatism has been just the cap on societal change. There are reactionaries who want to push further than just enough to prevent ludicrous change, but those guys would be radicals, not conservatives.

Paul is a social conservative by British standards and, at least how he shows in this video, an economic moderate. If he were an economic conservative, he'd be echoing Ben Shapiro. These are by today's standards however. Back in the time that these terms started to find real use, you were liberal if you wanted some change, conservative if you wanted no change, and radical if you were waving a nondescript flag and getting shot at by the police.

 

[MarvinTheParanoidAndroid]

This video is fake and gay. Not the information he presents but the picture he paints. Gotta love how he conflates an absence of religion with sexual deviancy. Catholic Church, anyone? How about that Muhammad prophet that married that little kid?

You don't need faith for morality or purpose, that's a personal choice that, by his presentation, most people have chosen "gee, these religious faiths sure are a hotbed of hypocrisy, lies, insular favoritism and sexual immorality aren't they?" What a joke.

 

[Clop]

You don't need faith for morality or purpose, that's a personal choice that, by his presentation, most people have chosen "gee, these religious faiths sure are a hotbed of hypocrisy, lies, insular favoritism and sexual immorality aren't they?" What a joke.

Most people still opt for either Christianity or Islam, as far as I can tell. All secular and atheistic beliefs come in third on the leaderboards, and that's all of the non-religious forms of beliefs combined.

On the subject that some have already discussed, I don't think religion is anything but a comfort zone, it gives people someone and something to follow because people aren't good at going solo and like forming packs. Outside of religion people still follow politicians, comedians, best friends, family members and an Internet community of aspies flinging shit at troons.

 

[MarvinTheParanoidAndroid]

There's a reason there's been 50 fucking Avengers movies

Because those movies are not budget siphoning productions like the 5000 Adam Sandler or Melissa McCarthy romantic & family comedies?

"The Eric Andre Show"

Or as I like to call it, "The Tim and Eric Ripoff Show"

There's something fundamentally terrifying about removing a social institution that has been in place in every culture for all recorded history.

We've had that, it was called the Soviet Union.

I just can't see it ending without massive unintended consequences. People don't understand the fragility of large-scale society, or how small of a nudge it takes to upset the delicate balance holding everything together.

Except there is nothing preventing people from following any religious faith of their choice.

To be fair that's because the collapse of Rome set society back almost 2,000 years, and because of how unexpected and rapid it was (they ruled almost a quarter of the world population at the peak of their power).

The collapse of Rome was also a case of everything going wrong all at once, not simply a single pillar getting knocked out from underneath a tower of cards.

 

[Lemmingwise]

I just don't see the appeal of blackpilling yourself. Fuck are you gonna do? Time travel? You get one life, enjoy it while you can

I don't see the appeal of living with my head in the clouds. I'd rather live in the closest approximation of the real world as I can than in fairy tales. And I rather go into the grave knowing I contributed to the betterment than feasted on the corpse and left less to eat for those coming after me.

 

[1864897514651]

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Your terror is not without precedence. Sodom was spared for a short time for the sake of Lot and his family, which ended up being three people after his wife turned into a pillar of salt. Religion influences many things, whether people want to believe it or not. Religion is obviously not limited to just social morality; it is also the foundation of economics, armed forces, the rule of law, and all aspects of society that actually hold civilization together. Civilizational collapse happens when all of these parts are influenced by irreligious satanic systems, and there are no just people to spare the civilization for. Any city in America could reflect what happened to Sodom, it is only a matter of time—especially with all the nuclear reactors we have.

 

[Foxxo]

This video is fake and gay. Not the information he presents but the picture he paints. Gotta love how he conflates an absence of religion with sexual deviancy. Catholic Church, anyone? How about that Muhammad prophet that married that little kid?

You don't need faith for morality or purpose, that's a personal choice that, by his presentation, most people have chosen "gee, these religious faiths sure are a hotbed of hypocrisy, lies, insular favoritism and sexual immorality aren't they?" What a joke.

There's haunting corruption in every organization with a strict hierarchy that still exists. Most followers will not care, or will look past it for the core values, but they won't be contributing to the decadence anymore. The amount of priests in the Catholic Church keeps decreasing, and there will never be a Sunni Caliphate.

All secular and atheistic beliefs come in third on the leaderboards, and that's all of the non-religious forms of beliefs combined.

All atheistic and massively secular faiths (including Eastern Buddhism) are actually dying out on a worldwide scale, because it seems that atheism and believing there's no higher purpose other than suffering doesn't keep birth rates above 2.1. Christianity and Islam have the highest birth rates, and I'm not sure where Hinduism fits in there but it's probably at least third. The unaffiliated are losing the Game of Wombs.

 

[MarvinTheParanoidAndroid]

Okay, so far I've only watched around halfway through the video and I just got to the point where he says that it's wrong and unnatural to have abortions or transgender kids and that despite all it's barbarism, at least Islam gives people meaning and purpose.

This guy is fucking retarded. Yes, the rampant child fucking & genital mutilation that goes on in Muslim communities and caliphates alike is such a better existence for children than abortions and transgenderism, because there's nothing worse than not having religious faith. What a faggot.

I really don't understand the logic that if things aren't perfect in the secular world, it means we need to ramp up the shittiness to eleven. He's acting like abusive parents who put their kids on HRT are a common problem in the Western hemisphere when it's actually a unique one. If you have a problem with child genital mutilation, why in the fuck would you ever give a pass to motherfuckin' I S L A M?

Who actually takes this idiot seriously?

The unaffiliated are losing the Game of Wombs.

The only winning move is not to play.

 

[Clop]

All atheistic and massively secular faiths (including Eastern Buddhism) are actually dying out on a worldwide scale, because it seems that atheism and believing there's no higher purpose other than suffering doesn't keep birth rates above 2.1. Christianity and Islam have the highest birth rates, and I'm not sure where Hinduism fits in there but it's probably at least third. The unaffiliated are losing the Game of Wombs.

Yeah, as I said, all of them combined. That's not a compliment, I am quite aware that you have to lump them all together to have them make any significant number. Though I wouldn't pin birth rates on religion since they fluctuate everywhere more depending on child mortality rates, as far as I'm aware.

I don't know where you got "suffering" as a purpose, though. Then again I don't hang around with fellow atheists enough to know how miserable those fedora-wearing neckbeard fucks think, I'm too busy furiously masturbating onto crucifixes.

 

[Foxxo]

I don't know where you got "suffering" as a purpose, though. Then again I don't hang around with fellow atheists enough to know how miserable those fedora-wearing neckbeard fucks think, I'm too busy furiously masturbating onto crucifixes.

I meant that for Buddhism.

 

[MarvinTheParanoidAndroid]

I don't know where you got "suffering" as a purpose, though.

Ironic that atheism and Buddhism are allegedly an existence of pure suffering when Christianity is predicated on a guy being tied to a cross and tortured for six hours to atone for humanity's failings.

I meant that for Buddhism.

Buddhism isn't secular, it's an offshoot of Hinduism because Buddhists believe in reincarnation and that to live is to suffer, which I'm guessing is what you meant when you said "no higher purpose than suffering" when in fact, the whole point of Buddhism is to subvert reincarnation altogether to end suffering. It might be secular these days because of how far it spread but that's not how it started.

 

[Crippled_Retard]

I don't see the appeal of living with my head in the clouds. I'd rather live in the closest approximation of the real world as I can than in fairy tales. And I rather go into the grave knowing I contributed to the betterment than feasted on the corpse and left less to eat for those coming after me.

I am not saying don't care or try to improve society. Quite the opposite. When I said blackpilled I was referring to those who hate everything and do nothing but complain or be scared of the future, while doing nothing of substance.

You can enjoy life while not thinking everything is sunshine and rainbows.

 

[Clop]

Ironic that atheism and Buddhism are allegedly an existence of pure suffering when Christianity is predicated on a guy being tied to a cross and tortured for six hours to atone for humanity's failings.

Buddhism isn't secular, it's an offshoot of Hinduism because Buddhists believe in reincarnation and that to live is to suffer, which I'm guessing is what you meant when you said "no higher purpose than suffering" when in fact, the whole point of Buddhism is to subvert reincarnation altogether to end suffering. It might be secular these days because of how far it spread but that's not how it started.

I thought Buddhism teaches that the root of suffering is desire, specifically desire for non-essential things in life? I'm trying my hardest to not start googling Buddhist sects right now.

 

[Lemmingwise]

I am not saying don't care or try to improve society. Quite the opposite. When I said blackpilled I was referring to those who hate everything and do nothing but complain or be scared of the future, while doing nothing of substance.

Oh, that's interesting. I think of blackpilled as those who really think seriously bad times are coming, in which case I would be blackpilled.

What you describe I think of as demoralized.

 

[Freddy Freaker]

Oh, that's interesting. I think of blackpilled as those who really think seriously bad times are coming, in which case I would be blackpilled.

What you describe I think of as demoralized.

I always thought blackpilled meant demoralized too tbh

 

[ProgKing of the North]

I've always heard in in the context of incels, and I'd much rather live with my head in the clouds than be one of those cunts

 

[Jewelsmakerguy]

Who actually takes this idiot seriously?

You'd be surprised. Though he does from the InfoWars school of "EVERYTHING'S A CONSPIRACY MAN!" thinking, so who knows what the actual percentage is.

 

[queue-anon]

There's haunting corruption in every organization with a strict hierarchy that still exists. Most followers will not care, or will look past it for the core values, but they won't be contributing to the decadence anymore. The amount of priests in the Catholic Church keeps decreasing, and there will never be a Sunni Caliphate.

All atheistic and massively secular faiths (including Eastern Buddhism) are actually dying out on a worldwide scale, because it seems that atheism and believing there's no higher purpose other than suffering doesn't keep birth rates above 2.1. Christianity and Islam have the highest birth rates, and I'm not sure where Hinduism fits in there but it's probably at least third. The unaffiliated are losing the Game of Wombs.

Where do you think atheists come from? I'll put money on most atheists having at least nominally religious parents.

And the reason theists outbreed atheists is because theists live in impoverished shitholes where girls are married off young, there's little access to birth control, and child mortality is high, so couples have an enormous brood. Once their living situations get to a First World level, their religiosity and fertility start matching the West's. Why do you think Islamists behead doctors and teachers? It's because they know that social and economic progress means people stop giving a fuck about the invisible man in the sky.

I share some of this guy's concerns about what lack of religiosity means for the public at large because there are a lot of people out there who need someone to tell them how to live their lives. But, speaking as an atheist, I'm glad that I don't live somewhere where religion is shoved down my throat, either by the government or by neighbors who won't mind their own business.

 

[MarvinTheParanoidAndroid]

I thought Buddhism teaches that the root of suffering is desire, specifically desire for non-essential things in life? I'm trying my hardest to not start googling Buddhist sects right now.

One of the big things that lead Siddhartha to found Buddhism was that he stumbled on a corpse while sneaking out from dad's palace, so no. Part of Buddhism is that you're supposed to not indulge in earthly pleasures like screwing your neighbor's wife because it poisons your karma.

 

[Lemmingwise]

Why do people willingly take the black pill? Do they just get off on being miserable?

Some redpills have a black core.

Also leaving childhood illusions/paradise behind can be a pretty shocking experience.

If you're truly looking at the abyss of what is going on, it can be hard to handle sometimes.