Are we doomed? How bad do you think it is? - Brought to you in part by Paul Joseph Watson of InfoWars

Who will PJW support for 2020?

  • Trump

    Votes: 20 26.7%
  • The Yang Gang, like every YouTube Skeptic shill of the moment

    Votes: 26 34.7%
  • Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

    Votes: 3 4.0%
  • Ilhan Omar

    Votes: 3 4.0%
  • No one, he's being serious

    Votes: 23 30.7%

  • Total voters
    75
His primary error is the comparison that Societal decline is based on morality or lack of 'strong men'. Consider Rome, at the time of the Empires collapse it was an authoritarian centralized monarchy which had adopted puritan religion which would be the groundwork of europeon cultures for over a thousand years. Desperate cries for moral purity are typicaly a symptom of a failing society not the cause but then again theirs always someone complaining where not pure enough so who knows?

Society collapse usually boils down to four factors

-external forces overwhelming infrastructure
-economic collapse
-enviromental disaster
-internal political destablization

It's usually a mixture of these factions to consider in the fall of societies not some abritrary standard of morality.

-A centralized strong man junta is actually more likely to contribute to the fall as his/her death will often cause a bought of political infighting which can escalate to civil war if the chosen heir is weak or unpopular with other power groups. Modern Democracies are actually more resiliant to this due to the fact their's an effective mechanic for the transfer of power which doesnt involve being a complete dick head or your dad being king.
-religions or ideologies with stringent moral codes actually make the situation worse as the arcane priorities of the state may disrupt effective decision making eg-the late Christian Roman Empire deliberatly excluding Pagans and heretics in the army from civil office while encouraging moral men to join the clergy rather than the adminstration of Empire.
-No society can really endure a massive economic upheaval and remain the same. It puts a massive strain on any system without exception.
-The interlocked nature of modern economics is both a both a blessing and a curse since it allows an individual country to take the hit of an economic shortcomings but it means you're taking hits from other countries fuck ups. If Say China or America collapse then other civilisations could fall in the fallout.

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My scorching hot take is that western civilization peaked from the time the USSR collapsed to when the financial crisis hit in 2008. Ever since then it feels like the left is moving further to the left and the right is moving further to the right.

Ever since 2008, it just feels like we’re kicking the can down the road further instead of tackling problems head on. That no, diversity is not our greatest strength; no, you will not be able to set record levels of profit each quarter; no, you will not be able to do away without the traditional family without significant societal consequences, etc.

I don’t think collapse will happen, instead the entropy will just grow exponentially and we all end up paying a lot more for a lot less. We’re down this road in many respects already.
 
My scorching hot take is that western civilization peaked from the time the USSR collapsed to when the financial crisis hit in 2008. Ever since then it feels like the left is moving further to the left and the right is moving further to the right.

Ever since 2008, it just feels like we’re kicking the can down the road further instead of tackling problems head on. That no, diversity is not our greatest strength; no, you will not be able to set record levels of profit each quarter; no, you will not be able to do away without the traditional family without significant societal consequences, etc.

I don’t think collapse will happen, instead the entropy will just grow exponentially and we all end up paying a lot more for a lot less. We’re down this road in many respects already.

As ruinous as it was for the rest of the world, I think the U.S.’s competition with the USSR motivated us to invest in science and technology. I also think the commie threat was responsible for somewhat better corporate and government policies that led to people being able to make a decent living with a decent level of education/skill vs. the shitshow we have now. Giving regular people a shot at the brass ring makes them much less likely to embrace reactionary ideologies on either side of the political spectrum.
 
Society will only continue to get worse. Don't know if it will ever completely collapse, more likely it will just turn into a shithole. It will probably take a long time though. There doesn't appear to be a single ideological or political group on the entire planet with an ideology that can account for this. Donald Trump, and him alone (because his supporters are extremely stupid) is somehow the closest thing we have in this world to someone who has any idea of what he's doing.

Also you can say goodbye to the wild west internet very soon. Europe is already in this state, and corporations have effectively replaced our government in America, so it will be the same thing there as well.
 
no, you will not be able to do away without the traditional family without significant societal consequences, etc.

I seriously doubt this is a real concern in a society where Quiverfulls exist. I don't know when this suddenly became a concern for people but I definitely know it's a new one so it can't be the epidemic people make it out to be. Mole hills and mountains and so forth.

Donald Trump, and him alone (because his supporters are extremely stupid) is somehow the closest thing we have in this world to someone who has any idea of what he's doing.
As opposed to what exactly? The cookie cutter democrats who are all clamoring for something as retarded as universal basic income? Trump supporters are at the extreme end stupid for supporting what you already admit is the best possible option, or is it simply because Trump is a celebrity that makes his supporters stupid?
Also you can say goodbye to the wild west internet very soon.
Nigger please. The wild west has already disintegrated with the homogenization of social media, so much so that every alternative self destructs in anywhere from a few years to a few months. What you're seeing now are the ashes flying away in the wind.
 
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As opposed to what exactly? The cookie cutter democrats who are all clamoring for something as retarded as universal basic income? Trump supporters are at the extreme end stupid for supporting what you already admit is the best possible option, or is it simply because Trump is a celebrity that makes his supporters stupid?

His followers endorse the very things that are fucking themselves over. They envision a world of sociopathic unrestrained capitalism and worship of the corporate elites. They want a dog-eat-dog world. Well, they're getting their wish: We now live in a corporatacracy, and those corporate elites have decided that pandering to them is no longer in their best interests. Of course when you point this out to them they go "They cheated, it's the government's fault somehow!" Trump is the only person in the world who has actually been able to wound the beast, everyone else is just riding on his coattails.
 
They envision a world of sociopathic unrestrained capitalism and worship of the corporate elites.
This is a reliable narrative if I've ever seen it.
His followers endorse the very things that are fucking themselves over.
Trump is the only person in the world who has actually been able to wound the beast, everyone else is just riding on his coattails.
Why would you actively support someone who is acting opposite to the self destructive interests you hold? Nothing about what you said makes sense.
 
Why would you actively support someone who is acting opposite to the self destructive interests you hold? Nothing about what you said makes sense.

His followers are brainlets who think Trump's going to ban abortion or something. Trump isn't going to do that because he's a liberal, which is also the most hilarious thing about this. The only person in recent years who was able to score any wins for the conservatives was a liberal because conservatives can't adapt and they're too dumb to understand technology. Although considering the massive hissy fits they throw these days whenever they get censored on the internet, maybe they're beginning to learn.
 
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Now religion- I've never understood this argument. People not believing in the big man in the sky makes no difference as to whether or not a society is great or is collapsing. Religion has no effect on prosperity in modern times, I don't think. It's possibly worse for societies to be religious, looking at the Middle East.
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I also used to struggle with why the big man would make any difference, but after having a discussion with a slightly religious man; he explained that the good thing about religion wasn't necessarily the belief, in the big man. Rather, it was knowing the values that came with the big man. (Parables, any sort of lesson, etc etc.)
 
I also used to struggle with why the big man would make any difference, but after having a discussion with a slightly religious man; he explained that the good thing about religion wasn't necessarily the belief, in the big man. Rather, it was knowing the values that came with the big man. (Parables, any sort of lesson, etc etc.)

Religion is a very effective means of social control, for both good and bad.

The good: keeping people from hurting each other for no good reason and, if they do hurt each other, having a means of dealing with that even when a society lacks a formalized rule of law.

The bad: keeping people superstitious, complacent, and afraid of taking chances, and using the in-group identity to rally people against the other up to the point of waging wars and massacres.
 
Religion is a very effective means of social control, for both good and bad.

The good: keeping people from hurting each other for no good reason and, if they do hurt each other, having a means of dealing with that even when a society lacks a formalized rule of law.

The bad: keeping people superstitious, complacent, and afraid of taking chances, and using the in-group identity to rally people against the other up to the point of waging wars and massacres.
Yup. Pretty much nailed it. Can really never have a nice mix though (afaik).
 
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His followers are brainlets who think Trump's going to ban abortion or something.
This is a joke, right? Do you even know if the former is actually true or not or was that empty supposition?
 
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I don't think so, I honestly think that we are slowly getting better and finally realizing the true problems of our society, politics-wise imho europe is quite fucked up but when you take a look on Poland and Italy you see a clear contrast between France for instance, this political shift that happened recently (US, Italy, Brazil) even if you don't like the more right-wind inclined governments at least we have some discussion between parties that never hapened before as much as it does now.
 
Must MAGAs I know are against abortion and criticise late abortion, but also, many say "pay your own abortion". They don't care as long as it's not paid with their taxes.
Notice that I underlined the part where he says "or something". He can't even place his reason as to why Trump supporters are stupid on anything concrete, he relies solely on the supposition that if they're Trump supporters that they must be stupid somehow.
 
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Notice that I underlined the part where he says "or something". He can't even place his reason as to why Trump supporters are stupid on anything concrete, he relies solely on the supposition that if they're Trump supporters that they must be stupid somehow.
As a "Trump supporter" I can agree. I've never once believed Trump was going to ban abortion. That's pretty much impossible or to the minority of supporters who don't know any better. Although I like the idea of a wall, the problem in my opinion is demographic shift is already happening and the voting patterns are pretty horrendous. Though I will say some of his recent decisions have been a bit of a turn off, that may just be me though.

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In regards to the topic, I think Paul Joseph Watson is wrong in some regards, but I do believe things in society are starting to break down. Let's take the states for instance

California is a shit hole, New York in on the edge of bankruptcy, Illinois, and a few other areas are not only losing jobs at an escelated rate but getting pretty bad off. Many people who screwed over those states are now leaving for the more wealthy states and repeating the same process there. Which in the long term means they'll keep moving state to state causing the same idiotic issues. Which is an internal destruction without taking into account foreign issues (illegal/legal immigration)...

Then you take into account demographic shifts, lower than replacement levels for the majority and although the concept we may fall into a socialist trap sounds far fetched it's really not. It just depends how soon, if Texas turns blue I'll believe society collapsing is coming faster or sooner than later.

Though some people have pointed out people are aware of the problems, some of the problems can not be solved by merely legal or judicial or voting options. Which begs the question what do people in society do to stop these issues? I mean one could easily be fixed, make it so voters who ruin their state with idiotic votes have to remain in those states to suffer the consequences of those votes. Though people would never pass such a thing it's whimsical to consider.

then it just becomes a case of our current culture clash/war. The faster it escalates the faster the "end" will come. Personally, I find it more disturbing many of my predictions in regards to this culture war have come true over the last few months than anything else. Most places there's a sense of urgency in the air I haven't seen before, and it does make me feel that those claiming the end of our current make and models of society may not be too far off.
 
Notice that I underlined the part where he says "or something". He can't even place his reason as to why Trump supporters are stupid on anything concrete, he relies solely on the supposition that if they're Trump supporters that they must be stupid somehow.

I already stated why earlier: They're hanging off his coattails.
 
I already stated why earlier: They're hanging off his coattails.
Then why even bother mentioning abortion? Chasing coattails means you're banking your own success on someone else, which can't be too stupid since you've already established that Trump is the 'only one to wound the beast'.
 
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Then why even bother mentioning abortion? Chasing coattails means you're banking your own success on someone else, which can't be too stupid since you've already established that Trump is the 'only one to wound the beast'.

Trump supporters hate liberals and how liberals are leveraging neoliberal megacorporations against them. They love unregulated nihilistic sociopathic capitalism despite it leading to the former. Trump is the only person to have done any damage to the neoliberals. What's so hard to understand?
 
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They love unregulated nihilistic sociopathic capitalism despite it leading to the former.
Trump supporters are all anarchocapitalists?
What's so hard to understand?
Almost everything you've said about Trump supporters is an empty generality that could be said for just about anybody. Any time you've named a specific example, you used an even more empty supposition like "ban abortion or something."
 
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