Are you getting the vaccine? - Absolute trashfire thread, please enter with caution

[Badungus Kabungus]

Lol if we had anti-vax spazes like you back then, we'd still be in wheelchairs due to polio. You'd be saying "POLIO ONLY PARALYZES 0.5% OF THE PEOPLE WHO GET IT I AM HEALTHY I WILL BE OKAY"


It's not a random post on 4chan, so I doubt you'll believe it's veracity, but: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/29/world/pfizer-moderna-covid-vaccines-infection.html https://archive.md/BuAjF

An article from 7 months ago from some pleb publication does not count. Something from an .edu domain would be preferred.

 

[Jonah Hill poster]

Increases in COVID-19 are unrelated to levels of vaccination across 68 countries and 2947 counties in the United States

Increases in COVID-19 are unrelated to levels of vaccination across 6…

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[Almighty MoeBro Nation]

An article from 7 months ago from some pleb publication does not count. Something from an .edu domain would be preferred.

>Post proof
>"Okay, Here"
>n-no that one doesn't count

Sad!

 

[Badungus Kabungus]

>Post proof
>"Okay, Here"
>n-no that one doesn't count

Sad!

Where's the actual research that they base any of their claims on? All I see is a paid advertisement for Pfizer and Moderna. Or do you believe that source material can only be accepted if it's wrapped around Don Lemon's salty cock?

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

Where's the actual research that they base any of their claims on? All I see is a paid advertisement for Pfizer and Moderna. Or do you believe that source material can only be accepted if it's wrapped around Don Lemon's salty cock?

There are no studies which you wouldn't move the goal posts on, so I am not going to waste my time. Your crippling autism will make your diseased brain think that anything less than 100% effective is bad and since you are a gullible tard and believe random shit posted by schizos, you believe that the vaccine kills everyone who takes it.

Your low-functioning brain also cannot seem to grasp that if something prevents someone from being sick, they cannot spread it to others. So if the vaccine is x% against infection, those x% will not be able to spread it.

You can just admit you're selfish and are unwilling to overcome your fears to get a simple jab to help protect people. At least then you'll be honest

 

[Badungus Kabungus]

There are no studies which you wouldn't move the goal posts on, so I am not going to waste my time. Your crippling autism will make your diseased brain think that anything less than 100% effective is bad and since you are a gullible tard and believe random shit posted by schizos, you believe that the vaccine kills everyone who takes it.

Your low-functioning brain also cannot seem to grasp that if something prevents someone from being sick, they cannot spread it to others. So if the vaccine is x% against infection, those x% will not be able to spread it.

You can just admit you're selfish and are unwilling to overcome your fears to get a simple jab to help protect people. At least then you'll be honest

All I hear is a big fat crybaby who doesn't understand the nuances of this situation going REEEEE.

Now come on, wear the diaper.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

All I hear is a big fat crybaby who doesn't understand the nuances of this situation going REEEEE.

Now come on, wear the diaper.

I have already demonstrated to you that the vaccine is effective. You just keep moving the goal posts because it's your schtick. I'd like to think you're just pretending to be retarded again, but I doubt anyone can act that well.

You can just admit you're a selfish, obese shut in who is terrified of a little jab any time now. so much for your LARPing as alpha.

Again, I am really sorry that you lost your life-savings to a crypto pump and dump on 4chan. I know you're embarrassed and acting out against me because I am the one who warned you, but like I said, you need to stop believing everything you read on 4chan. I still believe that is the source of your anger. I'd be embarrassed, too. It took you a long time to save your tardbux long enough to get those savings

 

[Thomas Highway]

Asking someone on Kiwifarms to not make fun of someone is like asking a cow to stop shitting in the woods

It's not like these guys would magically get the shot if we stopped poking fun at them right this instant. Their minds are already made up. Nothing we ever say or do will make a difference. All we can do is point and laugh. It's probably time to log off when you decide owning da sheeple on teh internetz is more important than protecting your grandma anyways

I didn't ask you to do anything.

 

[Badungus Kabungus]

I have already demonstrated to you that the vaccine is effective. You just keep moving the goal posts because it's your schtick. I'd like to think you're just pretending to be exceptional again, but I doubt anyone can act that well.

You can just admit you're a selfish, obese shut in who is terrified of a little jab any time now. so much for your LARPing as alpha.

Again, I am really sorry that you lost your life-savings to a crypto pump and dump on 4chan. I know you're embarrassed and acting out against me because I am the one who warned you, but like I said, you need to stop believing everything you read on 4chan. I still believe that is the source of your anger. I'd be embarrassed, too. It took you a long time to save your tardbux long enough to get those savings

Just admit you fell for the propaganda because you're easy to manipulate with emotion, and you're trying to save face here because you don't really have much else going on.

None of your conclusions here are based on facts and logic, just on emotions, misinformation, and autism.

I suggest you step away from the computer for some time and try interacting with real people. Don't just stare blankly at them from your cubicle at work, try to have a conversation.

 

[Almighty MoeBro Nation]

Increases in COVID-19 are unrelated to levels of vaccination across 68 countries and 2947 counties in the United States

Increases in COVID-19 are unrelated to levels of vaccination across 6…

archived 22 Oct 2021 07:04:50 UTC

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Dude I literally typed the article title into google and it was immediately debunked.

Claims that COVID-19 vaccines are ineffective misrepresent the conclusions of the study

Subramanian (the original author of the article) explained to the fact-checking organization PolitiFact that articles and posts using his study to claim that COVID-19 vaccines were ineffective misinterpreted the conclusions from the study:

“Concluding from this analysis that vaccines are useless is misleading and inaccurate. Rather, the analysis supports vaccination as an important strategy for reducing infection and transmission, along with handwashing, mask-wearing, proper ventilation and physical distancing.”

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

Just admit you fell for the propaganda because you're easy to manipulate with emotion, and you're trying to save face here because you don't really have much else going on.

None of your conclusions here are based on facts and logic, just on emotions, misinformation, and autism.

I suggest you step away from the computer for some time and try interacting with real people. Don't just stare blankly at them from your cubicle at work, try to have a conversation.

Lol you are saying that I fell for propaganda? You're the one parroting Russian anti-vax propaganda. You fell hook-line-sinker for it, just like you did for QAnon and the "dead man's switch" pump and dump. I've also conclusively proven that you have crippling autism, by showing how you have all the symptoms (severe naivety, black and white thinking).

I also linked to a study that backed my claim, like you asked for, then you moved the goal posts to something that doesn't exist at all (there are no studies on .edu sites about the covid vaccine at all that are recent). Also, studies are rarely posted on .edu sites, period, which you should know since you claim to be some super smart successful educated person. However, we all know you're an obese shut in who lives on welfare in your mom's basement.

Again, I am really sorry you're a low IQ, gullible autist and lost your life savings to a pump and dump scam on 4chan. Next time be more careful and listen to the Hulkster.

EDIT: I am off to bed now, so get some sleep. I don't want you to be this cranky tomorrow.

 

[Jonah Hill poster]

Dude I literally typed the article title into google and it was immediately debunked.

 

[Badungus Kabungus]

Lol you are saying that I fell for propaganda? You're the one parroting Russian anti-vax propaganda. You fell hook-line-sinker for it, just like you did for QAnon and the "dead man's switch" pump and dump. I've also conclusively proven that you have crippling autism, by showing how you have all the symptoms (severe naivety, black and white thinking).

I also linked to a study that backed my claim, like you asked for, then you moved the goal posts to something that doesn't exist at all (there are no studies on .edu sites about the covid vaccine at all that are recent). Also, studies are rarely posted on .edu sites, period, which you should know since you claim to be some super smart successful educated person. However, we all know you're an obese shut in who lives on welfare in your mom's basement.

Again, I am really sorry you're a low IQ, gullible autist and lost your life savings to a pump and dump scam on 4chan. Next time be more careful and listen to the Hulkster.

EDIT: I am off to bed now, so get some sleep. I don't want you to be this cranky tomorrow.

There are no recent studies? You're an imbecile.

The spike protein of SARS-CoV-2 variant A.30 is heavily mutated and evades vaccine-induced antibodies with high efficiency - Cellular & Molecular Immunology

www.nature.com

Before you whine about it not being an .edu, this is firmly from an academic source.

Author information​

Affiliations​

1. Infection Biology Unit, German Primate Center, Kellnerweg 4, 37077, Göttingen, Germany
   Prerna Arora, Cheila Rocha, Amy Kempf, Inga Nehlmeier, Luise Graichen, Stefan Pöhlmann & Markus Hoffmann
2. Faculty of Biology and Psychology, Georg-August-University Göttingen, Wilhelmsplatz 1, 37073, Göttingen, Germany
   Prerna Arora, Cheila Rocha, Amy Kempf, Luise Graichen, Stefan Pöhlmann & Markus Hoffmann
3. Department of Anesthesiology, University of Göttingen Medical Center, Georg-August University of Göttingen, Robert-Koch-Straße 40, 37075, Göttingen, Germany
   Martin S. Winkler & Martin Lier
4. Division of Molecular Immunology, Department of Internal Medicine 3, Friedrich-Alexander University of Erlangen-Nürnberg, Glückstraße 6, 91054, Erlangen, Germany
   Sebastian Schulz & Hans-Martin Jäck
5. Department for Rheumatology and Immunology, Hannover Medical School, Carl-Neuberg-Straße 1, 30625, Hannover, Germany
   Anne Cossmann, Metodi V. Stankov & Georg M. N. Behrens

Dude I literally typed the article title into google and it was immediately debunked.

Lol it's an unironic deboonking.

He says the vaccines have a strategic use, as in, use them strategically on vulnerable individuals, on the fatties and the cripples. Not mention of mass vaccination of healthy individuals.

Is there a vaccine for illiteracy?

 

[Gar For Archer]

Just gonna paste the actual conclusion from the article here:

The sole reliance on vaccination as a primary strategy to mitigate COVID-19 and its adverse consequences needs to be re-examined, especially considering the Delta (B.1.617.2) variant and the likelihood of future variants. Other pharmacological and non-pharmacological interventions may need to be put in place alongside increasing vaccination rates. Such course correction, especially with regards to the policy narrative, becomes paramount with emerging scientific evidence on real world effectiveness of the vaccines.

For instance, in a report released from the Ministry of Health in Israel, the effectiveness of 2 doses of the BNT162b2 (Pfizer-BioNTech) vaccine against preventing COVID-19 infection was reported to be 39% [6], substantially lower than the trial efficacy of 96% [7]. It is also emerging that immunity derived from the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine may not be as strong as immunity acquired through recovery from the COVID-19 virus [8]. A substantial decline in immunity from mRNA vaccines 6-months post immunization has also been reported [9]. Even though vaccinations offers protection to individuals against severe hospitalization and death, the CDC reported an increase from 0.01 to 9% and 0 to 15.1% (between January to May 2021) in the rates of hospitalizations and deaths, respectively, amongst the fully vaccinated [10].

In summary, even as efforts should be made to encourage populations to get vaccinated it should be done so with humility and respect. Stigmatizing populations can do more harm than good. Importantly, other non-pharmacological prevention efforts (e.g., the importance of basic public health hygiene with regards to maintaining safe distance or handwashing, promoting better frequent and cheaper forms of testing) needs to be renewed in order to strike the balance of learning to live with COVID-19 in the same manner we continue to live a 100 years later with various seasonal alterations of the 1918 Influenza virus.

So in summary:
1. The vaccine is nowhere near as effective at preventing infection as originally claimed (39% vs. 96%, per Israel Ministry of Health)
2. Natural immunity acquired through beating COVID is likely more effective than the vaccine.
3. The vaccine is effective at preventing infection and mitigating symptoms... for about six months. This is likely why countries with high vaccination rates are now seeing a new spike in cases, as well as why we are now seeing an increase in hospitalizations and deaths among vaccinated individuals.

If you faggots want to keep tard-raging about what you personally consider an "effective" or "useless", at least do so using the science straight from the original paper with no spin.

 

[Mr Bunny]

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Well, he was honest in telling you he just goggle and grabbed whatever popped up first, he didn't actually look at it.

Just gonna paste the actual conclusion from the article here:

So in summary:
1. The vaccine is nowhere near as effective at preventing infection as originally claimed (39% vs. 96%, per Israel Ministry of Health)
2. Natural immunity acquired through beating COVID is likely more effective than the vaccine.
3. The vaccine is effective... for six months. This is likely why countries with high vaccination rates are now seeing a new spike in cases, as well as why we are now seeing an increase in hospitalizations and deaths among vaccinated individuals.

Too late, debunked, Isreal and England aren't going through a surge right now.

 

[Almighty MoeBro Nation]

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Yeah yeah I know, libshits are cringe, but the article itself is pretty good. If you don't believe me then there's hundreds of others you can read supportive of vaccines and immunization

He says the vaccines have a strategic use, as in, use them strategically on vulnerable individuals, on the fatties and the cripples. Not mention of mass vaccination of healthy individuals.

Is there a vaccine for illiteracy?

If only we had a vaccine for retardation. Again, the more people we have vaccinated the less power Corona has over our daily lives and the faster we can go back to fucking normal. People only seem to care about the death statistics as if getting sick itself isn't a miserable fucking experience that you would ideally want to limit as much as possible.

Well, he was honest in telling you he just goggle and grabbed whatever popped up first, he didn't actually look at it.

Refute it then. He's bitching about police in the video which is a completely separate subject

 

[Jonah Hill poster]

I just want to clarify that I am not pro-science™ or anti-vaccine™ . As I said before, both sides of their arguments are on the same coin. They’re not really helping us, except to just like the sounds of their own voices.

Professional Expert™, I am not.

Yeah yeah I know, libshits are cringe, but the article itself is pretty good. If you don't believe me then there's hundreds of others you can read supportive of vaccines and immunization

I don’t deny that, but considering the fact that Dr. Fauci’s supporters are looking the other way over how they treated beagles as test subjects without their free will, I’m a little bit worn out, to be honest.

 

[Mr Bunny]

Refute it then.

I just need to look at England and Israel. Have you not been keeping of with the data coming out of it?

 

[Gar For Archer]

If only we had a vaccine for retardation. Again, the more people we have vaccinated the less power Corona has over our daily lives and the faster we can go back to fucking normal. People only seem to care about the death statistics as if getting sick itself isn't a miserable fucking experience that you would ideally want to limit as much as possible.

Based on this fact:

3. The vaccine is effective at preventing infection and mitigating symptoms... for about six months. This is likely why countries with high vaccination rates are now seeing a new spike in cases, as well as why we are now seeing an increase in hospitalizations and deaths among vaccinated individuals.

There's no more "going back to normal". It's no longer about chasing the static goal of "get 95% of the population vaccinated" - it's now a perpetual moving goalpost, because every day more "fully vaccinated" people are going to hit that 6-month mark and suddenly not be "fully vaccinated" anymore, which can only be mitigated by getting another jab every six months ad infinitum. I get the feeling that even a lot of people who happily got in line for their first two jabs aren't going to be quite so enthusiastic about this surprise recurring subscription, not to mention those who were basically coerced into it.

Getting 90% of your country to take the vaccine is already a tall order, but it's at least doable, as evidenced by some countries that have achieved precisely that. Trying to maintain a 90% "actually fully vaccinated" population taking into account the 6-month expiry date on vaccine-induced immunity is a futile game of whack-a-mole, and that's without taking into consideration the possibility of new vaccine-resistant strains popping up.

 

[Almighty MoeBro Nation]

I just need to look at England and Israel. Have you not been keeping of with the data coming out of it?

This nigga just accused me of skimming through sources only to mention a talking point that was literally refuted in the article I linked LMAO

Besides, other factors, including the relaxation of restrictions, the spread of the more contagious Delta variant, and waning vaccine immunity in those people who received the vaccine first could explain the difference in the number of COVID-19 cases per million people between countries, or the rise in cases in highly vaccinated populations such as Israel.

It is also important to note that the primary goal of COVID-19 vaccines is not to prevent infections completely but to minimize the risk of severe disease and death. Therefore, measuring the effectiveness of COVID-19 vaccines solely based on the number of COVID-19 cases provides an incomplete picture about the vaccines’ effectiveness. While Israel saw a substantial rise in the number of COVID-19 cases during the third COVID-19 wave in September 2021, the number of deaths was much lower in comparison to previous waves (Figure 1). The uncoupling of cases from deaths demonstrates that COVID-19 vaccines effectively prevented severe disease and death.

TLDR: Isreal has had a jump in cases but the death rate is significantly lower than previous waves. This is proof that vaccines are effective