Are you getting the vaccine? - Absolute trashfire thread, please enter with caution

Wouldn't effect me, but just like COVID there's a ready made solution to THE POXX.
With your fetish for obese elderly men I think it'd effect you quite a bit
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At this point I have trouble respecting people who have no conspiratorial thinking, since they would rather assure themselves by attacking others, than question a narrative. It's an ego thing.
Oh yes, taking words of Bill Gates out of context means covid was all a huge vast conspiracy and everyone who takes the vaccine dies. So tell me, since you anti-vaxers claim the vaccine is killing tons of people, where are these hundreds of millions of dead bodies?

I don't know what you're talking about, I'm just trying to help people look at things i've found. I spent a lot of time reading about this stuff, so I'm sharing it.
Who is telling you to die based on getting a vaccine? That seems rather ridiculous, no? unhinged?
The Suramin thing is something that people are responding to because they're afraid that the mRNA tells the body to create spike proteins that can be "shed" and harm the unvaccinated, but I have never seen any of that substantiated. I've only seen reports from the manufacturers that something weird like that can happen. I find it hard to believe though.
The speculation is based on the idea that the spike proteins cause organ damage due to their shape.
I've seen every kind of report and speculation possible. Nanomachines, graphene organisms, 5g interacting with tiny magnets, parasites, toxic metals, and a lot of it seems like its fear based to push people in whatever direction. Personally, I'm looking for optimistic things that are basic and available to help people on either side of the fence.
If the spike protein causes damage from the shape, then people who get covid will have the same damage, and more so since they'd have more spike proteins. Then again, anyone who claims to know more about covid and a vaccine than medical doctors and scientists because they listen to Tucker Carlson, Alex Jones and boomer FB memes is not exactly sound in logic.

You sound agitated. Isn't that a symptom of monkeypox?

But I'm sure you have nothing to worry about, unless you've recently had unprotected gay sex in the butt with another homosexual or a dozen. Isn't that how you Democrats reproduce?
Aww, I am sorry you're still embarrassed you are gullible enough to believe Q and gave your entire life savings to a pump and dump scam. You should just admit that I was right as usual instead of wallowing in embarrassment.

It's hilarious when the guy who is part of the political party with a fetish for obese, elderly men calls someone else gay. You love Putin so much you even pretend to be Russian because /pol/ told you Russia is BASED

I look at other threads where the bulk of KF are advocating for a vastly more authoritarian state, and then come back here to see the same accomplices shit their pants at the notion of the country becoming more authoritarian.

You people will be the death of me. Which is what I was hoping for in the first place.
They want authoritarianism if it means turning the US into a Christian theocracy run by conspiracy lunatics.
 
With your fetish for obese elderly men I think it'd effect you quite a bit

Oh yes, taking words of Bill Gates out of context means covid was all a huge vast conspiracy and everyone who takes the vaccine dies. So tell me, since you anti-vaxers claim the vaccine is killing tons of people, where are these hundreds of millions of dead bodies?


If the spike protein causes damage from the shape, then people who get covid will have the same damage, and more so since they'd have more spike proteins. Then again, anyone who claims to know more about covid and a vaccine than medical doctors and scientists because they listen to Tucker Carlson, Alex Jones and boomer FB memes is not exactly sound in logic.


Aww, I am sorry you're still embarrassed you are gullible enough to believe Q and gave your entire life savings to a pump and dump scam. You should just admit that I was right as usual instead of wallowing in embarrassment.

It's hilarious when the guy who is part of the political party with a fetish for obese, elderly men calls someone else gay. You love Putin so much you even pretend to be Russian because /pol/ told you Russia is BASED


They want authoritarianism if it means turning the US into a Christian theocracy run by conspiracy lunatics.
Lol you gay, nigga. Otherwise you wouldn't have written that whole essay.
 
1. With your fetish for obese elderly men I think it'd effect you quite a bit

2. Oh yes, taking words of Bill Gates out of context means covid was all a huge vast conspiracy and everyone who takes the vaccine dies. So tell me, since you anti-vaxers claim the vaccine is killing tons of people, where are these hundreds of millions of dead bodies?


3. If the spike protein causes damage from the shape, then people who get covid will have the same damage, and more so since they'd have more spike proteins. Then again, anyone who claims to know more about covid and a vaccine than medical doctors and scientists because they listen to Tucker Carlson, Alex Jones and boomer FB memes is not exactly sound in logic.
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  2. It's literally in context. Wuhan Assembled Monkeypox strains.
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    Nuclear Threat Initiative did an exercise on monkeypox in 2021
    Which of course, is partly funded by Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation
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    Which is oriented towardss a "Global Task Force" for pandemics, designed to be a supra-national authority on Public Health.
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    And thus would create another mechanism to create a single global governance system.
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    This of course, is all out in the open, with happy, positive wording to seem as reasonable as possible.
    I mean why not just give an unelected group of people not beholden to any specific nation control over protocols regarding epidemics? Makes sense right? Except for the fact that it shifts control from the people's government to an untouchable authority.
  3. People are saying that the spike protein damages organs, and creates coagulation/inflammation which is the cause of heart attacks, and blood clots. What is interesting is the spike protein of the virus appears to do this as well
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Is that why you do nothing but white knight your beloved elderly obese men in the GOP?

  1. It's literally in context. Wuhan Assembled Monkeypox strains.
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    Nuclear Threat Initiative did an exercise on monkeypox in 2021
    Which of course, is partly funded by Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation
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    Which is oriented towardss a "Global Task Force" for pandemics, designed to be a supra-national authority on Public Health.
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    And thus would create another mechanism to create a single global governance system.
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    This of course, is all out in the open, with happy, positive wording to seem as reasonable as possible.
    I mean why not just give an unelected group of people not beholden to any specific nation control over protocols regarding epidemics? Makes sense right? Except for the fact that it shifts control from the people's government to an untouchable authority.
I realize you are an uneducated simpleton, but you do realize that just because the Gates Foundations funds research it doesn't mean that money is going to some vast conspiracy just because you read it on /pol/, right?

  1. People are saying that the spike protein damages organs, and creates coagulation/inflammation which is the cause of heart attacks, and blood clots. What is interesting is the spike protein of the virus appears to do this as well
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So then why are you tardraging over the vaccine and not covid itself? It's funny how you uneducated simpletons throw temper tantrums about how scared you are of the spike protein from the vaccine, but then you are totally not worried about the spike protein from covid itself, which is far more likely to cause issues.

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Is that why you do nothing but white knight your beloved elderly obese men in the GOP?
I do a lot more than you do, in terms of explaining my point of view, and I never have to bring in party affiliation.
You cannot discuss this topic without doing that thing you always do, which is try to discredit someone's view by attaching it to another group of people.
You're lame, your tactics are played out. Find a new obsession.
I realize you are an uneducated simpleton, but you do realize that just because the Gates Foundations funds research it doesn't mean that money is going to some vast conspiracy just because you read it on /pol/, right?
Conspiracy implies something illegal is happening.
This is all factual, and i'm just putting it in chronological order. All of these statements stand on their own without me saying anything.
The real rabbit hole people should look into is Gain of function research regarding H1N1/H5N1 and how it was studied in Wuhan China, where Gates had invested money. There is evidence that the CDC/NIH is complicit in Gain of Function research which they supposedly were stopping in 2014.
SARS
MERS
COVID could all be from the same development process at these BSL-4 labs. That is the conspiracy, that has a more obscure paper trail.
Everything else said here is still available literature amongst published medicine and research documents.
So then why are you tardraging over the vaccine and not covid itself? It's funny how you uneducated simpletons throw temper tantrums about how scared you are of the spike protein from the vaccine, but then you are totally not worried about the spike protein from covid itself, which is far more likely to cause issues.

(numbering was off because of quotes, sorry)
Because the mRNA vaccine tells the body to create the spike protein.
The virus creates a spike protein.
The adenovirus vector uses a spike protein.
The idea is still to program the body to react to something that isn't supposed to be there. The body produces antibodies that neutralize the spike protein.

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The issue is when the spike protein is generated by the body and causes harmful effects because of its shape.
People are worried that the mRNA might change your body to produce a spike protein in the form of an auto-immune condition for example.
This is still a pandemic that is being used as a giant experiment to see the effects of these different immunizing agents, just as much as the vaccine is "the solution" to the problem.
I'm not worried, because I have had covid, so I have natural antibodies to Covid. If i get it again, it will probably not be as bad. But it was a pretty bad time, which is why I'm glad I had treatment options.
 
Because the mRNA vaccine tells the body to create the spike protein.
The virus creates a spike protein.
The adenovirus vector uses a spike protein.
The idea is still to program the body to react to something that isn't supposed to be there. The body produces antibodies that neutralize the spike protein.

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https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34100279/
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https://www.nature.com/articles/s41541-021-00369-6 The issue is when the spike protein is generated by the body and causes harmful effects because of its shape.
People are worried that the mRNA might change your body to produce a spike protein in the form of an auto-immune condition for example.
This is still a pandemic that is being used as a giant experiment to see the effects of these different immunizing agents, just as much as the vaccine is "the solution" to the problem.
I'm not worried, because I have had covid, so I have natural antibodies to Covid. If i get it again, it will probably not be as bad. But it was a pretty bad time, which is why I'm glad I had treatment options.
Except every study has shown that the spike protein from the vaccine is way safer than getting covid. Then again, your bitchute videos and Alex Jones never mention that, so instead you cherry pick studies and screenshot stuff taken way out of context to push your narrative.

You didn't address my point... Why are you anti-vaxers terrified of the spike protein from the vaccine, but you find the spike protein from covid itself to be no big deal when the spike protein from the vaccine has shown to be much safer? And don't "address" it by speaking in schizo babble you heard from Bitchute videos like you did in the previous post

I do a lot more than you do, in terms of explaining my point of view, and I never have to bring in party affiliation.
You cannot discuss this topic without doing that thing you always do, which is try to discredit someone's view by attaching it to another group of people.
You're lame, your tactics are played out. Find a new obsession.
No you don't. You're just another GOP-simping retard /pol/ who got banned everywhere else because of his retarded conspiracy theories so he decided to come here
 
Why are you anti-vaxers terrified of the spike protein from the vaccine, but you find the spike protein from covid itself to be no big deal when the spike protein from the vaccine has shown to be much safer?
Because people are concerned about the contents of the vaccine in terms of capsids, lipids, liver processing, clotting due to spike protein generation, and more importantly the potential for reverse transcription of mRNA, thus creating spike proteins in quantities or in perpetuity.
By far, the mRNA is the most worrying aspect of the concoction, followed by the spike protein generation, followed by the organ damage, followed by the materials within the vaccine. From anecdotal evidence I have only seen people who have taken the vaccine seem to have low level issues that get diagnosed as "long-covid" like a tuberculosis style cough.
Of course, the main anti-vax argument on top of all of this, is that the claims of efficacy have been disproven to be "12 percent effective" against omicron, and of course the disease being very survivable, if not uncomfortable. Which of course goes back to prophylaxis involving the Zelenko protocol, and the usage of early treatment methods for stopping viral replication. The reason why so many people are promoting things like hydroxychloroquine, is because those substances have been shown to stop viral replication which theoretically is a better strategy than creating artificial immunity through exposure. The entire idea behind vaccination is to expose someone to aspects of a disease to train the body to fight back. But if you can inhibit the virus itself in vitro, then you can have the immune system destroy the weakened virus by itself. Or perhaps even prevent the virus from replicating within the host upon exposure.
Vaccines are not as good as cures, and prophylaxis, that is the prevailing theory and opinion behind anti-vaxxers who are also worried about adulterants, and stabilizers having a negative effect, which has been proven before. Thiomersal for example, is no longer used in vaccines because of the negative effects attributed to it. This of course, comes from long term observation and study which is another thing that "Operation Warp Speed" ignored. Of course "Warp Speed" was a Trump(tm) program, so If i'm some Trump stooge, why wouldn't I just trust him and get the vaccine? Why would I make my situation more precarious based on my own assumptions if I was some partisan player like you?
And don't "address" it by speaking in schizo babble you heard from Bitchute videos like you did in the previous post
Hmm by your standards, it's pretty schizo to sperg about GOP, Q, and /pol/ when they're not relevant.
No you don't. You're just another GOP-simping retard /pol/ who got banned everywhere else because of his retarded conspiracy theories so he decided to come here
Science is based on questioning a hypothesis based on observation, and then testing to prove or disprove a hypothesis. You're not into science. You would call a scientific observation, or hypothesis a "conspiracy" and then label the scientist a "conspiracy theorist" for not believing whatever "99 percent" of doctors believe in.
I'd rather be labeled a conspiracy theorist with receipts, than be a naive shill who does it for free tbh. Galileo was seen as a conspiracy theorist. So was Copernicus.
If you look at history, scientists were the original conspiracy theorists. Disagreeing with Ptolemy 's placement of the Earth as the center of the galaxy. Disagreement over the elliptical transit of the planets around the sun. Disagreement over Pluto being a planet. All of these things arose from questioning the prevailing scientific or even religious opinion of the time.
You are a modern day Lysenkoist who will value scientific opinion, over science itself. There are still arguments to be had over basic assumptions. The large and the small, the microscopic, and macroscopic cause scientists to re-appraise foundational knowledge all the time. Quantum and speculative physics is at odds with Classical physics all the time beyond the point of testing and observable phenomena.
At the very base of all of this is a question that will be answered and re-answered until it is no longer necessary. That is the heart of scientific inquiry, and exploration.
That's pretty much all that has to be said on the matter.
 
Because people are concerned about the contents of the vaccine in terms of capsids, lipids, liver processing, clotting due to spike protein generation, and more importantly the potential for reverse transcription of mRNA, thus creating spike proteins in quantities or in perpetuity.
By far, the mRNA is the most worrying aspect of the concoction, followed by the spike protein generation, followed by the organ damage, followed by the materials within the vaccine. From anecdotal evidence I have only seen people who have taken the vaccine seem to have low level issues that get diagnosed as "long-covid" like a tuberculosis style cough.
Of course, the main anti-vax argument on top of all of this, is that the claims of efficacy have been disproven to be "12 percent effective" against omicron, and of course the disease being very survivable, if not uncomfortable. Which of course goes back to prophylaxis involving the Zelenko protocol, and the usage of early treatment methods for stopping viral replication. The reason why so many people are promoting things like hydroxychloroquine, is because those substances have been shown to stop viral replication which theoretically is a better strategy than creating artificial immunity through exposure. The entire idea behind vaccination is to expose someone to aspects of a disease to train the body to fight back. But if you can inhibit the virus itself in vitro, then you can have the immune system destroy the weakened virus by itself. Or perhaps even prevent the virus from replicating within the host upon exposure.
Vaccines are not as good as cures, and prophylaxis, that is the prevailing theory and opinion behind anti-vaxxers who are also worried about adulterants, and stabilizers having a negative effect, which has been proven before. Thiomersal for example, is no longer used in vaccines because of the negative effects attributed to it. This of course, comes from long term observation and study which is another thing that "Operation Warp Speed" ignored. Of course "Warp Speed" was a Trump(tm) program, so If i'm some Trump stooge, why wouldn't I just trust him and get the vaccine? Why would I make my situation more precarious based on my own assumptions if I was some partisan player like you?
Again, that same shit happens from covid, too. Why don't you address that? I mean, I do know why (you're a good GOP simping anti-vaxer so you gotta say the vaccine is killing everyone and you gotta claim you know more about this subject than medical doctors and scientists).

People are against HCQ because it doesn't work, according to studies that didn't fabricate data.

Again, where are these hundreds of millions of dead bodies from the vaccine that you claim exist? Either put up or admit you're wrong

Hmm by your standards, it's pretty schizo to sperg about GOP, Q, and /pol/ when they're not relevant.
Except there's a huge overlap between you GOP simping retards on here and QAnon

Science is based on questioning a hypothesis based on observation, and then testing to prove or disprove a hypothesis. You're not into science. You would call a scientific observation, or hypothesis a "conspiracy" and then label the scientist a "conspiracy theorist" for not believing whatever "99 percent" of doctors believe in.
I'd rather be labeled a conspiracy theorist with receipts, than be a naive shill who does it for free tbh. Galileo was seen as a conspiracy theorist. So was Copernicus.
If you look at history, scientists were the original conspiracy theorists. Disagreeing with Ptolemy 's placement of the Earth as the center of the galaxy. Disagreement over the elliptical transit of the planets around the sun. Disagreement over Pluto being a planet. All of these things arose from questioning the prevailing scientific or even religious opinion of the time.
You are a modern day Lysenkoist who will value scientific opinion, over science itself. There are still arguments to be had over basic assumptions. The large and the small, the microscopic, and macroscopic cause scientists to re-appraise foundational knowledge all the time. Quantum and speculative physics is at odds with Classical physics all the time beyond the point of testing and observable phenomena.
At the very base of all of this is a question that will be answered and re-answered until it is no longer necessary. That is the heart of scientific inquiry, and exploration.
That's pretty much all that has to be said on the matter.
Correct, it is based on that, except you are incorrect. You claim that you know more about a subject than people who study it for a living just because you listen to Alex Jones and Tucker Carlson and watch Bitchute videos. Then, you take studies and screenshot stuff they say, out of context, and claim the vaccine is super duper dangerous.

The heart of scientific inquiry is looking for answers and then finding data to prove it. It's not "reject what scientists say because you are terrified of a little jab because Alex Jones told you it's bad"
 
I look at other threads where the bulk of KF are advocating for a vastly more authoritarian state
What are you talking about? Unironically, what threads are you seeing this shit?

and then come back here to see the same accomplices shit their pants at the notion of the country becoming more authoritarian
I don 't what you're referring to, but this sounds reductive. Just because you think some laws are bad doesn't mean you're an anarchist and vice-versa. For example, there's nothing contradictory about not wanting mandated vaccines but also wanting laws prohibiting corporations from dumping toxic waste into rivers.

Well, when you anti-vax people want me hanged for getting the vax on my doctor's advice
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Where'd I claim that there were hundreds of millions of bodies from the vaccine? I don't even claim that for the disease. The claim is that it's not a deadly disease as much as there are tons of tests with confirmed cases. So you're a literal liar there, explicitly malicious, and expressly so.

I know what I know, and I report what I know. I give authority of bodily autonomy to the reader. You insult their intelligence, like a commissar.

You're making up things I haven't said, and complaining about how i disagree with "the narrative" promoted by manufacturers who want to sell their product to as many governments and patients as possible, which they want to sell multiple times per person.

"The heart of scientific inquiry is looking for answers and then finding data to prove it."

Then you should go and do that instead of appealing to authority, and claiming people who disagree with your faith based reasoning are conspiracy theorists.
You can literally find studies that confirm a bias in one direction or another. Peer review isn't a gospel, and there's always debates about the validity of studies. That's why I always link things that support my claims.

The people who read this are looking for answers, and asked to give theirs. If they wanted the party line they could just watch CNN, or log onto the Pfizer website and see all the stuff you're promoting or condemning.

You literally write like a shill, using all the same methods of coercion. You act like you are a priest of a great church of scientific and medical knowledge, in which only the anointed of your particular denomination have the answers. In this church the gospel is limited to the dogma of its own creation, and any dissenting doctor with the same degree is a heretic.

It's a shame that you're talking about science because you act more like the inquisition. Just like what happened to Galileo. You're the hemlock in Socrates drink.
 
Note how the pro-vax people in this thread will not say anything about your woes. No refunds!
I have heard that the antioxidant Suramin can help with vaccine side-effects.
Suramin speculation
I personally would take NAC, Zinc w/ Quercetin & Vitamin C.
The Zelenko protocol is available online to give you dosages.
Well, I made that choice so now I live with it. You take these for allegries?
 
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