Are you getting the vaccine? - Absolute trashfire thread, please enter with caution

Except that's not the lesser of two evils, as I have explained. Their families would die. And no, they wouldn't lose their employment opportunities despite what you anti-vax tards keep saying. Plus some of them are already financially set for life, as I have already explained. Plus there's welfare and unemployment for if you get fired (despite you boomer's best attempts at trying to get rid of it). So no, it's not the lesser of two evils unless you lack human emotions (which you do, likely due to your crippling autism).
You're not looking at it through THEIR eyes, which is why I keep telling you you don't have actual empathy. Why do you think poor people in third world countries sell off kids to pay for the other ones?

You want to see the world through this lens where there's only extreme good and extreme evil, and nobody in the good group would do anything that's not noble and nice. It's why I keep saying you're thinking like a child. You can't consider that some level of "corruption" is the only possible norm, or that things aren't that simple.

It's why you can't consider the possibility of something being dangerous, but not a guaranteed death sentence, making you unable to understand why someone would see it as the lesser of two evils.

You might want to look up which party is trying to deny unemployment over this. It's not as easy to get life-long benefits of any sort, either, and an intact family unit makes it harder. Again, your odd belief that it's easy for anyone to get society to take care of them is odd and childish.
 
You're not looking at it through THEIR eyes, which is why I keep telling you you don't have actual empathy. Why do you think poor people in third world countries sell off kids to pay for the other ones?

You want to see the world through this lens where there's only extreme good and extreme evil, and nobody in the good group would do anything that's not noble and nice. It's why I keep saying you're thinking like a child. You can't consider that some level of "corruption" is the only possible norm, or that things aren't that simple.

It's why you can't consider the possibility of something being dangerous, but not a guaranteed death sentence, making you unable to understand why someone would see it as the lesser of two evils.

You might want to look up which party is trying to deny unemployment over this. It's not as easy to get life-long benefits of any sort, either, and an intact family unit makes it harder. Again, your odd belief that it's easy for anyone to get society to take care of them is odd and childish.
Except I am looking at it through their eyes. You're the one not looking at it through their eyes. You see, most humans value the health and well-being of their families over everything. I get it, you have autism and don't have human emotions so you don't understand that. The scientists that spoke up, even if they lost their job, would still be able to get welfare, food stamps, etc.. and they would still be able to get other jobs.

You're legitimately mentally ill and should seek mental therapy. You obviously suffer from severe paranoid schizophrenia to believe that 99% of the worlds docs and scientists, tens of millions of people, would all keep silent about this. Even in other countries.

And yes, if you get fired, you can get unemployment. That would apply to those fired for nearly any reason.

The white house in the 90s couldn't even keep a blowjob secret and you think the largest conspiracy in the history of mankind involving tens of millions of people could be kept silent? :story: Seriously, I get it you have autism, low IQ and are uneducated and spend too much time on conspiracy sites, but man, you're seriously delusional. Get some mental help, you seriously need it
 
Except I am looking at it through their eyes. You're the one not looking at it through their eyes. You see, most humans value the health and well-being of their families over everything. I get it, you have autism and don't have human emotions so you don't understand that. The scientists that spoke up, even if they lost their job, would still be able to get welfare, food stamps, etc.. and they would still be able to get other jobs.

You're legitimately mentally ill and should seek mental therapy. You obviously suffer from severe paranoid schizophrenia to believe that 99% of the worlds docs and scientists, tens of millions of people, would all keep silent about this. Even in other countries.

And yes, if you get fired, you can get unemployment. That would apply to those fired for nearly any reason.

The white house in the 90s couldn't even keep a blowjob secret and you think the largest conspiracy in the history of mankind involving tens of millions of people could be kept silent? :story: Seriously, I get it you have autism, low IQ and are uneducated and spend too much time on conspiracy sites, but man, you're seriously delusional. Get some mental help, you seriously need it
Dude, do you really think the guy going, "I don't want my kids to starve... maybe taking our chances on the vaccine is the better option," isn't doing just that in his head?

Why do you think most employers try to document everything? If you're fired without cause, you generally can't get it. It also doesn't last forever. I'm wondering if you're on some sort of long-term public assistance at this point.

Thank God we have this containment thread.
I'm having fun, at least. What can men do against such reckless autism?
 
Dude, do you really think the guy going, "I don't want my kids to starve... maybe taking our chances on the vaccine is the better option," isn't doing just that in his head?

Why do you think most employers try to document everything? If you're fired without cause, you generally can't get it. It also doesn't last forever. I'm wondering if you're on some sort of long-term public assistance at this point.
No, again, people that have human emotions (ie that don't have brains diseased by autism and watching too many conspiracy videos) would say, "this is pretty awful. I may lose my job if I speak up, but I can get another job and there's welfare and food stamps and unemployment. I value my family's lives over everything".

And yes, if you get fired, you get unemployment. Speaking up against the largest conspiracy of the history of mankind, involving tens of millions of people would certainly count. You still haven't addressed that a lot of docs and scientists are already financially independent, either.

Somehow you think tens of millions of doctors and scientists are as devoid of human emotion as you and could keep silent on the largest conspiracy in the history of the world. You watch too many Alex Jones videos. Legitimately you have zero evidence to your claims and disregard any claim from a scientist or doctor because you think they're part of the conspiracy and that you know more about medicine than them, despite you being an uneducated simpleton

I'm having fun, at least. What can men do against such reckless autism?
Considering how easily I am destroying every claim you make, I'm doing pretty well against your reckless autism
 
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No, again, people that have human emotions (ie that don't have brains diseased by autism and watching too many conspiracy videos) would say, "this is pretty awful. I may lose my job if I speak up, but I can get another job and there's welfare and food stamps and unemployment. I value my family's lives over everything".

And yes, if you get fired, you get unemployment. Speaking up against the largest conspiracy of the history of mankind, involving tens of millions of people would certainly count.

Somehow you think tens of millions of doctors and scientists are as devoid of human emotion as you and could keep silent on the largest conspiracy in the history of the world. You watch too many Alex Jones videos


Considering how easily I am destroying every claim you make, I'm doing pretty well against your reckless autism
Human emotion is exactly why they make those sorts of decisions.

Whistleblowers get treated like shit. Why would a government agency reward whistleblowers, particularly in states run by people obsessed with forcing these vaccines on us?

Why won't the Feds allow meaningful oversight by people who might possibly be somewhat objective?

 
Human emotion is exactly why they make those sorts of decisions.

Whistleblowers get treated like shit. Why would a government agency reward whistleblowers, particularly in states run by people obsessed with forcing these vaccines on us?
Again, you legitimately think tens of millions of scientists and doctors, many of whom are already millionaires, would keep silent and willingly kill their own families. You also refuse to believe any scientist or doctor, but instead believe Alex Jones and boomer Facebook memes over them. That says a lot more about you than it does these (supposed) sociopathic doctors and scientists.

You are seriously delusional and need to get mental help. You are literally like a QAnoner. You refuse to believe anything that real experts on a subject say because you're a gullible spaz who wants to believe there's some vast conspiracy, despite all evidence to the contrary. You probably believe the election was stolen, too, because a career conman told you so and you refuse to believe election officials and judges.
Why won't the Feds allow meaningful oversight by people who might possibly be somewhat objective?

That's not even what the article says they did, lol. It's just saying they went ahead with it despite some officials thinking that it gave a bad public perception because some of our citizens are uneducated conspiracy simpletons like you
 
Again, you legitimately think tens of millions of scientists and doctors, many of whom are already millionaires, would keep silent and willingly kill their own families. You also refuse to believe any scientist or doctor, but instead believe Alex Jones and boomer Facebook memes over them.

You are seriously delusional and need to get mental help.

That's not even what the article says they did, lol. It's just saying they went ahead with it despite some officials thinking that it gave a bad public perception because some of our citizens are uneducated conspiracy simpletons like you
Why didn't they have any outside experts come in for review? Why aren't you concerned about that?

It doesn't make you a conspiracy theorist to wonder why people who benefit from something (or depend on them for their careers) would push through their product without anyone who might be able to be objective.

Besides, as odd and coercive as every action on COVID has been so far, credibility is the most important thing. Look at how the CDC--which gets 45% of its funding from "private sources"--approved the booster for most people when the FDA insisted only very old, sick people should've risked it.
 
Why didn't they have any outside experts come in for review? Why aren't you concerned about that?

It doesn't make you a conspiracy theorist to wonder why people who benefit from something (or depend on them for their careers) would push through their product without anyone who might be able to be objective.

Besides, as odd and coercive as every action on COVID has been so far, credibility is the most important thing. Look at how the CDC--which gets 45% of its funding from "private sources"--approved the booster for most people when the FDA insisted only very old, sick people should've risked it.
They did have outside scientists look at it. But you don't believe scientists anyway so what do you care? Would you prefer they brought in some uneducated spazes from the local special education school?

Yes, it does make you a conspiracy theorist when you think 99% of docs and scientists are willingly killing their own families to further BIG PHARMA's profits, especially when you have zero evidence to back it up and then automatically not believe what scientists and doctors say and instead listen to what Alex Jones, Tucker Carlson and boomer FB memes say.
 

Covid: Addenbrooke's boss says 80% of virus patients are unvaccinated​

The vast majority of a hospital's Covid patients in recent months have been unvaccinated, its boss has said.
Dr Ewen Cameron, of Addenbrooke's Hospital, Cambridge, said: "About 80% of patients we've seen over the last few months in general wards and critical care have been unvaccinated."
He said the deaths of unvaccinated patients were particularly tragic since they were usually avoidable.
On Thursday, 35 patients had Covid, six of whom were in critical care.
Dr Cameron, chief operating officer for Cambridge University Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust, said that of these patients, most were sick with the virus itself, while a small number were in for other reasons and "incidentally" had Covid.
"It's in some ways very tragic when unvaccinated patients are dying because we know in most cases it's completely avoidable," he said.
Researchers now say a Covid booster shot could provide about 85% protection against the Omicron variant.

Dr Cameron said there was "a lot of uncertainty" around the Omicron but the hospital was "making plans to cope".
"We are planning for something in the region of the first wave," he said.
"In the short term, the greatest risk for us is staff being off sick and isolating."
Dr Cameron said 150 staff, about 1% of the workforce, were currently off.


WHO and EMA could approve Novavax Covid vaccine next week​

The European Medicines Agency could approve the Novavax two-dose coronavirus vaccine as early as next week, paving the way for emergency use listing from the World Health Organization, according to people familiar with the matter. The approvals would provide the US drugmaker with a significant boost after months of delays and share price volatility amid manufacturing issues. The Covid-19 vaccine, also known as Nuvaxovid, would be the Maryland-based company’s first marketed product after more than three decades in business. A meeting of an EMA panel has been scheduled for Monday, the agency said, adding that it would communicate more details that day provided there was a conclusion. Separately, the WHO’s expert panel on vaccines met on Thursday to draft recommendations for use of the vaccine, with the global health body saying it would release its position “in the coming days”. WHO approval could come once the organisation issued its own emergency use listing, or if the EMA gave it a conditional marketing authorisation, people familiar with the matter said. The step would allow deliveries to begin via the global vaccine access scheme Covax. Together with the Serum Institute of India, Novavax has a commitment to supply Covax with 1.1bn doses.


Two people familiar with both approval processes said there were still some “open questions” on manufacturing but that the EMA should be able to issue a conditional approval. The remaining questions included so-called potency assays and drug substance characterisation — in essence, the ability of Novavax to ensure the product is the same everywhere and the same as was used in clinical studies. The people said Novavax had acknowledged these points in meetings and was working to address them. “It’s nothing serious. It’s not different from situations we have seen with previous vaccines,” one of the people said, while also cautioning that approval was not certain. Novavax said both approval processes would consider extensive data on manufacturing as well as clinical and pre-clinical data. The company said it was “confident that the vaccine meets the stringent regulatory quality, safety and efficacy specifications” needed for authorisation by the WHO and the EMA and it looked forward to their decisions. The EMA declined to comment. The WHO said it would release its position “in the coming days”. One of the people added that the EMA was “racing against time” as the vaccine, which would initially only be approved for a primary series or the first two shots for someone who has not been vaccinated, could play “an important role” this winter.


The Novavax shot has already been approved in the Philippines and Indonesia and the drugmaker has filed for approval in the UK. The company also expects to submit a complete application to the US Food and Drug Administration by year’s end. In contrast to the novel mRNA vaccines made by Moderna and Pfizer, the Novavax shot uses a more traditional type of technology based on proteins and has been shown to be as much as 90.4 per cent effective in trials, including against previous variants of concern. Novavax is now testing its efficacy against the new Omicron variant.

 

Covid: Addenbrooke's boss says 80% of virus patients are unvaccinated​

The vast majority of a hospital's Covid patients in recent months have been unvaccinated, its boss has said.
Dr Ewen Cameron, of Addenbrooke's Hospital, Cambridge, said: "About 80% of patients we've seen over the last few months in general wards and critical care have been unvaccinated."
He said the deaths of unvaccinated patients were particularly tragic since they were usually avoidable.
On Thursday, 35 patients had Covid, six of whom were in critical care.
Dr Cameron, chief operating officer for Cambridge University Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust, said that of these patients, most were sick with the virus itself, while a small number were in for other reasons and "incidentally" had Covid.
"It's in some ways very tragic when unvaccinated patients are dying because we know in most cases it's completely avoidable," he said.
Researchers now say a Covid booster shot could provide about 85% protection against the Omicron variant.

Dr Cameron said there was "a lot of uncertainty" around the Omicron but the hospital was "making plans to cope".
"We are planning for something in the region of the first wave," he said.
"In the short term, the greatest risk for us is staff being off sick and isolating."
Dr Cameron said 150 staff, about 1% of the workforce, were currently off.


WHO and EMA could approve Novavax Covid vaccine next week​

The European Medicines Agency could approve the Novavax two-dose coronavirus vaccine as early as next week, paving the way for emergency use listing from the World Health Organization, according to people familiar with the matter. The approvals would provide the US drugmaker with a significant boost after months of delays and share price volatility amid manufacturing issues. The Covid-19 vaccine, also known as Nuvaxovid, would be the Maryland-based company’s first marketed product after more than three decades in business. A meeting of an EMA panel has been scheduled for Monday, the agency said, adding that it would communicate more details that day provided there was a conclusion. Separately, the WHO’s expert panel on vaccines met on Thursday to draft recommendations for use of the vaccine, with the global health body saying it would release its position “in the coming days”. WHO approval could come once the organisation issued its own emergency use listing, or if the EMA gave it a conditional marketing authorisation, people familiar with the matter said. The step would allow deliveries to begin via the global vaccine access scheme Covax. Together with the Serum Institute of India, Novavax has a commitment to supply Covax with 1.1bn doses.


Two people familiar with both approval processes said there were still some “open questions” on manufacturing but that the EMA should be able to issue a conditional approval. The remaining questions included so-called potency assays and drug substance characterisation — in essence, the ability of Novavax to ensure the product is the same everywhere and the same as was used in clinical studies. The people said Novavax had acknowledged these points in meetings and was working to address them. “It’s nothing serious. It’s not different from situations we have seen with previous vaccines,” one of the people said, while also cautioning that approval was not certain. Novavax said both approval processes would consider extensive data on manufacturing as well as clinical and pre-clinical data. The company said it was “confident that the vaccine meets the stringent regulatory quality, safety and efficacy specifications” needed for authorisation by the WHO and the EMA and it looked forward to their decisions. The EMA declined to comment. The WHO said it would release its position “in the coming days”. One of the people added that the EMA was “racing against time” as the vaccine, which would initially only be approved for a primary series or the first two shots for someone who has not been vaccinated, could play “an important role” this winter.


The Novavax shot has already been approved in the Philippines and Indonesia and the drugmaker has filed for approval in the UK. The company also expects to submit a complete application to the US Food and Drug Administration by year’s end. In contrast to the novel mRNA vaccines made by Moderna and Pfizer, the Novavax shot uses a more traditional type of technology based on proteins and has been shown to be as much as 90.4 per cent effective in trials, including against previous variants of concern. Novavax is now testing its efficacy against the new Omicron variant.

Yeah but why would conspiracy retards trust doctors who are only out for money when they could trust Alex Jones, who certainly isn't just out for money
 
They did have outside scientists look at it. But you don't believe scientists anyway so what do you care? Would you prefer they brought in some uneducated spazes from the local special education school?

Yes, it does make you a conspiracy theorist when you think 99% of docs and scientists are willingly killing their own families to further BIG PHARMA's profits, especially when you have zero evidence to back it up and then automatically not believe what scientists and doctors say and instead listen to what Alex Jones, Tucker Carlson and boomer FB memes say.
No they didn't.

Why are they so determined that only people and organizations that get funding from these companies, funding from people with a financial interest in these products, or people who are or have been associated with these companies decide what's best for us?

Look at how offended you were that these guys would consider trying to assure the public that everything was legit. You're a hardcore authoritarian because you get to feel powerful by proxy.

Notice a pattern here? I'm doubtful of everyone who might get fired and even lose their careers parroting back what the people who could harm them say during strange, times full of government and corporate coercion and overreach. Then, the people behind all of that won't risk any of the commoner experts to have a say, just in case someone has big, brass balls.
 
No they didn't.

Why are they so determined that only people and organizations that get funding from these companies, funding from people with a financial interest in these products, or people who are or have been associated with these companies decide what's best for us?

Look at how offended you were that these guys would consider trying to assure the public that everything was legit. You're a hardcore authoritarian because you get to feel powerful by proxy.

Notice a pattern here? I'm doubtful of everyone who might get fired and even lose their careers parroting back what the people who could harm them say during strange, times full of government and corporate coercion and overreach. Then, the people behind all of that won't risk any of the commoner experts to have a say, just in case someone has big, brass balls.
This might shock you, but the number of people who can actually speak with authority on the subject isn't high. Uneducated retards like you aren't exactly qualified to talk about it. And yes, they check studies and everything else. But again, you hate scientists and think they're all sociopaths who will kill their own families to keep the conspiracy going, so what's the point in you even wanting them to look at it? You wouldn't believe them anyway because you think you know more than they do and don't trust them.

Your "pattern" is fucking retarded. As I've explained to your uneducated, simpleton self... people value their families over everything. You, however, have crippling autism and thus lack human emotions and feelings so you don't understand that.

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You know how you keep mentioning Alex Jones? Is there a reason you can't conceive of people forming their own opinions, without being told what to think?
Because you believe people like Alex Jones over scientists and doctors because you think scientists and doctors are untrustworthy and only out for money, but Alex Jones totally isn't.
 
Got my booster yesterday evening. Went for a walk that turned into a bit of a hike on an empty stomach and feeling a tad tired with a super low fever which, if previous experiences with any vaccines I've had, are anything to go by, will clear up overnight.

Colleague (actually my oldest childhood friend) of mine works in international sales of a major pharmaceutical company - they don't produce vaccines, but are a major manufacturer of tests. You know what his stats show him? Covid sucks for "le evil big pharma". It kills off the old, the decrepit and people with pre-existing conditions. You know who buys the MOST pharmaceuticals? Those exact groups. Which is why already there's a huge loss in sales of medicines catering to heavily immunocompromised people or as he puts it "People that don't get to choose whether they want to buy, if they want to stick around".
If you're a pharma company, you want this shit to end asap before it kills all the obese boomers pushing their early 60s because those guys potentially have 2 decades of milking left in them. No amount of short term test (which have minimal profit margines in his case) or vaccine sales makes up for that shit. Not even homeopathic "medicine" (HAH) and "natural supplements", which are seeing an increase in sales especially with the anti-vax crowds (but which are also produced by the same pharmaceutical companies they blame for everything).
 
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This might shock you, but the number of people who can actually speak with authority on the subject isn't high. Uneducated retards like you aren't exactly qualified to talk about it. And yes, they check studies and everything else. But again, you hate scientists and think they're all sociopaths who will kill their own families to keep the conspiracy going, so what's the point in you even wanting them to look at it? You wouldn't believe them anyway because you think you know more than they do and don't trust them.

Your "pattern" is fucking retarded. As I've explained to your uneducated, simpleton self... people value their families over everything. You, however, have crippling autism and thus lack human emotions and feelings so you don't understand that.


Because you believe people like Alex Jones over scientists and doctors because you think scientists and doctors are untrustworthy and only out for money, but Alex Jones totally isn't.
I want outside people to look at it because this tardrush to force everyone to get Vaccine Product that was rushed into the market, with approval from people who have ties to these companies has made me suspicious, and something approaching normalcy might at least make it look legit. You worship authority figures, so that's a concept you can't understand, like context.

Dude, you literally don't understand how people think or justify things. Do you think starving people who sell of one kid so they can feed the others is doing it out of a lack of care for their families?

I only know Alex Jones from memes. I know basically nothing about him. You just need caricatures to stand in as the opposite of whatever viewpoint you've been told to take up so you can dismiss any opposing viewpoints.

It also kills empathy since you'd be bad for even considering others' viewpoints. That's another reason you don't understand why the heavyhandedness of this, combined with the total abandonment of medical ethics, makes us doubtful of everything involved with this.

Did you know there's talk in GERMANY of abandoning the Nuremberg Code?
 
I want outside people to look at it because this tardrush to force everyone to get Vaccine Product that was rushed into the market, with approval from people who have ties to these companies has made me suspicious, and something approaching normalcy might at least make it look legit. You worship authority figures, so that's a concept you can't understand, like context.

Dude, you literally don't understand how people think or justify things. Do you think starving people who sell of one kid so they can feed the others is doing it out of a lack of care for their families?

I only know Alex Jones from memes. I know basically nothing about him. You just need caricatures to stand in as the opposite of whatever viewpoint you've been told to take up so you can dismiss any opposing viewpoints.

It also kills empathy since you'd be bad for even considering others' viewpoints. That's another reason you don't understand why the heavyhandedness of this, combined with the total abandonment of medical ethics, makes us doubtful of everything involved with this.

Did you know there's talk in GERMANY of abandoning the Nuremberg Code?
You wouldn't even believe the outside people if they did look at it because you, yourself, have said 99% of docs and scientists are liars and sociopaths who would willingly kill their own families to keep the conspiracy going. So why the hell would you even want them to look at it when you'd refuse to believe it anyway? Or do you want uneducated spazes like yourself, who wouldn't know what they're looking at anyway, to look at it?

Starving people in a poor country without welfare is a lot different than a millionaire doctor in the USA, you fucking retard. I know you're an uneducated right-wing spaz so you want welfare to be gone, but people who lose their jobs don't generally starve here. They could get other jobs and they probably wouldn't even lose their job if they did speak up.

And yes, you believe conspiracy tards like Alex Jones and boomer facebook memes over scientists and doctors. That makes you think that youre 2SMART4U when in reality it makes you an impressionable, gullible retard. Then again, being impressionable and gullible is a side effect of your debilitating autism
 
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Did you know there's talk in GERMANY of abandoning the Nuremberg Code
Native german speaker here with close ties to Germany.
This is complete nonsense, which started because Jordan Peterson made a snide comment invoking the Nuremberg code when he retweeted a statement from his lawyer that was critical about EU president Van der Leyens stance on "discussing/debating a consolidation of EU wide (mandatory) vaccine policy". An English speaking article then ran a story using Peterson's comment, implying he was stating that Van der Leyen is considering abolishing the Nuremberg code. This became the basis of subsequent articles in various English speaking "news" (very loose use of the term) websites, particularly gateway pundit and the post-millenial (which even adjusted its title when it realized it fucked up from "they want to abolish" to "critics accuse that they want to abolish")
No one in Germany is talking about this or has ever talked about abolishing the Nuremberg code and no German newspaper is running anything about it - it's a fabrication solely relegated to the Anglosphere, funnily enough, even though there is a significant portion of weirdos in Germany that would totally jump at this particular conspiracy, but its completely English origin and the German's incredibly tentative grasp on the English language have made that impossible.
 
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