Are you getting the vaccine? - Absolute trashfire thread, please enter with caution

[FEETLOAF]

Were you awake the last two years?

Not projecting my weird delusions?

It would be fair to say that Trump sowed suspicion regarding medical science while also wanting to claim credit for the fast vaccine rollout.

Why would that be fair to say, other than that you want to say it?

 

[Thomas Highway]

Why would that be fair to say, other than that you want to say it?

Its okay if you like Trump bro. But at some point you need to be a reasonable person.

Or not. You do you.

 

[FEETLOAF]

Its okay if you like Trump bro. But at some point you need to be a reasonable person.

Its okay if you hate Trump bro. But at some point you need to be a reasonable person.

 

[Vulva Gape]

I'm deleting this thread if you faggots don't behave.

 

[FEETLOAF]

I'm deleting this thread if you faggots don't behave.

do it faggot no balls

 

[EyelessMC]

Its okay if you like Trump bro.

If the orange moron the antivaxers worship

"You are a Trumpsperg"

@EyelessMC You legit sound like a crazy person.

It's a symptom of schizophrenia to feel like you're the only rational person and everyone else is crazy.

Are we even speaking in the same language? Because to me what you're saying is fucking gibberish and completely nonresponsive to what I just said. [on repeat]

"You are crazy/speaking gibberish"

Double-digit IQs as far as the eye can see.

There are reasons that range from absolutely retarded to completely rational for not having a specific vaccine.

A specific one. Just a specific one is okay. Being concerned about the vaccines overall is just totally crazy Trumposting, but as long as it's only a specific one you're wary about it's okay.

The main actually cogent argument I've seen against it is the novel nature of the vaccine and the speed it was generated, but frankly, a novel virus is obviously going to have a novel vaccine.

Doesn't even follow what's stated in that very sentence. The logic here is:
"It only makes sense that a unique strain of coronavirus would have a vaccine developed and shipped out in just under a year, before even having its study peer reviewed! It's a unique virus, you see. Developing a vaccine in the fastest record of medical history totally makes sense, especially for a virus that's so unique."
Make totally unique and not fully tested vaccines from a totally unique niche scientific field of vaccine tech for the rampaging pandemic of a unique virus. It's like cartoon logic: Gotta make a brand new superweapon using experimental technology to combat the super menace!

That said, it's not really up to the government to gainsay anyone's reason for not doing anything, and the government should generally not be able to coerce behavior this way.

This might not be the case if it were another smallpox or the Black Death, where the survival of the species would depend on it.

It is enough of an emergency the government is justified in at least encouraging people to get it, though.

Meaning if it's bad enough governments should have no reproach for coercing people to get vaccinated. Got it.

I think it is stupid and irresponsible not to get it without some specific reason,

How about several?

but it's certainly not at the level where the government can directly force adults to get it. Schools may be a different matter, though, but if you are an antivaxer, you probably are going to be a homeschooler and keep your filthy little disease vector crotch goblin

And then his brain just starts collapsing into itself midstream of thought.

 

[Roland Raygun]

I keep seeing the right being blamed for turning Covid into a political issue, and yet the OP has done nothing but call people Trump voting Qtards for making a medical decision he doesn't like. It's not a political issue. I'm politically apathetic and I'm proud to say I have never voted. But I thought the left was against making private medical decisions into political issues.
OP has also yet to address if he got AIDS from gay sex or from using dirty needles, and why he thinks that's my problem. Go jab one of your bug chasers instead.

 

[Thomas Highway]

Its okay if you hate Trump bro. But at some point you need to be a reasonable person.

Liked most of/was indifferent to almost everything Trump did. He lost me with covid/election conspiracies.

Genuinely find it sad how weird shit has become.

 

[Rich Evans Apologist]

Did that actually happen or are you just projecting expectations?

He routinely undercut his own CDC and NIH despite the fact that they were all fundamentally advocating the same things and same policies.

You can see frustration with the lack of leadership reflected in the fact that every other laggard administration in the world got a covid boost in their approval ratings - Merkel, Boris, Macron, Duda, Trudeau, Abe, Morrison, Putin, Modi, Orban, Xi, etc. Trump's approval ratings dropped, giving him contemporaries like Bolsonaro.

I'm deleting this thread if you faggots don't behave.

I think you can only request the mods lock it, or otherwise several long spergout threads would not still be available for public use

I keep seeing the right being blamed for turning Covid into a political issue, and yet the OP has done nothing but call people Trump voting Qtards for making a medical decision he doesn't like.

in what other country is wearing a mask in a department store for five minutes even a remotely political or controversial topic, and who are the ones making comparisons to a british book they've never read when stressing why they should be allowed to defy what the business / local government has mandated because minor inconveniences should not be suffered by subjects of the empire

we have been apolitically making fun of people who refused to get their kids measels shots and got disney world closed and a bunch of kids who were medically unable to take the vaccine sick as fuck for a long long fucking time, so don't misinterpet -that one- as the political watershed

 

[FEETLOAF]

He routinely undercut his own CDC and NIH despite the fact that they were all fundamentally advocating the same things and same policies.

How? And if so, how does that relate to him endorsing or not endorsing the vaccine specifically?

You can see frustration with the lack of leadership reflected in the fact that every other laggard administration in the world got a covid boost in their approval ratings - Merkel, Boris, Macron, Duda, Trudeau, Abe, Morrison, Putin, Modi, Orban, Xi, etc. Trump's approval ratings dropped, giving him contemporaries like Bolsonaro.

Approval ratings are based on the media. Media said orange man bad.

 

[Thomas Highway]

Media said orange man bad.

Pretty sure Fox didn't say that.

 

[FEETLOAF]

Pretty sure Fox didn't say that.

What about literally every other one.
Noticing you still can't actually answer the question of how and where he apparently said and did these things.

 

[Thomas Highway]

What about literally every other one

They usually dominate ratings in cable news, but on the same hand you want to talk about ratings dictating hatred for Trump..

At this point you fuckers are basically a religious movement.

Edit: I won't negrate your posts, because I am a true conservative and tolerant of others' views.

 

[FEETLOAF]

They usually dominate ratings in cable news, but on the same hand you want to talk about ratings dictating hatred for Trump..

At this point you fuckers are basically a religious movement.

Fox gets more views then every other major media corporation combined? I had no idea!

 

[Rich Evans Apologist]

How? And if so, how does that relate to him endorsing or not endorsing the vaccine specifically?

Here's a good long read from a think tank on it: https://www.brennancenter.org/our-w...nistration-abuses-thwart-us-pandemic-response
Brennan center is lib/prog, so view the critiques purely on the grounds of "what happened," not what they say you should think about it. Such as:

Spoiler: long excerpt

Disregarding public health guidance from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), the White House hosted what medical experts are calling a coronavirus “super spreader” event on September 26, 2020, to announce the nomination of Judge Amy Coney Barrett to the Supreme Court. Over 200 people attended the densely packed event, where guests mingled indoors as well as outside, with few wearing masks or physically distancing from one another. According to a White House official, this is where President Trump, along with Senators Mike Lee and Thom Tillis and members of the military, may have become infected with the coronavirus. At least 34 White House staffers and other contacts have been infected, including members of the White House housekeeping staff, as well as White House reporters.

As public health experts have explained throughout the pandemic, contact tracing is essential to stopping the spread of the virus. However, for nearly a week after the president announced that he had contracted the virus, the White House refused to allow the CDC to perform contact tracing (eventually allowing for “some limited CDC involvement” in investigating the outbreak), even though the CDC has the federal government’s most extensive resources to do so. In the absence of a systematic effort to trace or advise attendees of the White House event, many dispersed across the country, engaging in activities that risked spreading the virus, including visiting public gyms and touring manufacturing facilities.

After the outbreak started, the White House continued to defy recommendations from scientists and health authorities to prevent or contain the virus’ spread. For instance, the president’s medical team declined to say when the president last tested negative for the virus. His medical team issued contradictory statements about the timeline for his diagnosis and the severity of his symptoms — at one point admitting that they misrepresented his condition to avoid causing alarm — and flouted experts’ guidelines for isolation to stop the spread of the virus. The president may have also risked the health of Secret Service agents when he decided to leave the hospital to greet his supporters from his motorcade just one day after he began a steroid treatment used for patients with severe responses to Covid-19 (a decision one attending physician at Walter Reed described as “insanity”). Shortly after returning to the White House (and less than six days after he announced testing positive), the president met in person with aides, despite warnings from medical experts that he could have still been infectious at the time. Just two days later, Trump held an in-person rally for hundreds of supporters on the White House lawn (which, in addition to raising serious safety concerns, may have violated the Hatch Act).

Since his diagnosis, the president has also continued to undermine the authority and legitimacy of federal public health agencies and experts and spread misinformation. In the midst of his intensive Covid-19 treatment, Trump urged the public, “Don’t be afraid of Covid. Don’t let it dominate your life,” contradicting warnings from the CDC and National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease Director Dr. Anthony Fauci about the seriousness of the disease. Less than five days after first receiving an experimental drug, Trump touted it as a miracle “cure,” even though the drug had not completed clinical trials. He also pressured the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) to make it available to the public immediately, thwarting the agency’s process for ensuring the safety of new drugs and vaccines, including on an emergency basis.

"Lead by example" broadly meaning "trust your own administration, or at the very least don't get into public spats with them."

Approval ratings are based on the media. Media said orange man bad.

I see you are unfamiliar with any of those other names or the media that runs in the countries they govern

 

[EyelessMC]

Two things: 1

You can see frustration with the lack of leadership reflected in the fact that every other laggard administration in the world got a covid boost in their approval ratings - Merkel, Boris, Macron, Duda, Trudeau, Abe, Morrison, Putin, Modi, Orban, Xi, etc.

Don't bring the CCP into a discussion about approval ratings. That's going to undercut your point for anyone who knows anything about China.
2

we have been apolitically making fun of people who refused to get their kids measels shots and got disney world closed and a bunch of kids who were medically unable to take the vaccine sick as fuck for a long long fucking time, so don't misinterpet -that one- as the political watershed

Vaccine abolitionists deserve to be mocked, as do people who think face fabric 24/7 will protect against viral droplets which, from the onset of the pandemic, were proven to be barely effective at all. That's why everyone was scrambling for N95 and P100 masks--until they realized the virus could get in your eyes and how it's basically impossible to not touch your face.

There is obviously an entire world of difference between the protracted impositions of governments today and many other factors regarding Covid, and the idea that you can just let your little tike run around and scab himself without giving him the most basic of immune protection.

 

[knobslobbin]

Contrary to claims earlier in the thread Trump has always been pro covid vaccines and continues to urge his supporters to get the poke. It is a big point of contention over on patriots.win.

 

[FEETLOAF]

He lost me with covid conspiracies.

literally what the fuck are you talking about though

Here's a good long read from a think tank on it:

So he refused to let an unelected corporation track party members and he didn't make public statements about whether or not he got tested.
Is that it?

 

[Thomas Highway]

This is legit tinfoil hat shit at this point.

 

[FEETLOAF]

This is legit tinfoil hat shit at this point.

Yeah, on your part.