Are you getting the vaccine? - Absolute trashfire thread, please enter with caution

[CheezzyMach]

That's funny, because the people who freak the fuck out about a virus with <0.3% lethality rate make me wonder the same.

Free states would like a word with you.

I mean it still is a thing on a purely scientific standpoint, its just that actually believing in survival of the fittest gets you labeled as a fashizt anti-voxxxer grandma-killer in this day and age.

Homos sapiens survived smallpox, bubonic plague, malaria, yellow fever, typhoid, and a whole host of historically unknown diseases plaguing us since before the first hominid, but somehow COVID-19 is the fucking end-all-be-all virus that is going to fucking wipe us out unless we stop viral evolution at all costs...

When Italy refused to take this shit seriously it nearly crippled their entire country and it's killed nearly 600 thousand people in the US despite only being a year in * that's over 10 times the amount the flu kills every year btw * and that's with at least an attempt at containment.

That's not even counting the long term damage this shit causes after it gets done fucking you up 6 ways to Sunday. * I dunno about you but lung and heart damage does not sound fun. *

I'm starting to think you fuckers would have written the Spanish Flu off as "just a cold bro".

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

When Italy refused to take this shit seriously it nearly crippled their entire country and it's killed nearly 600 thousand people in the US despite only being a year in * that's over 10 times the amount the flu kills every year btw * and that's with at least an attempt at containment.

Then why haven't South Dakota, Georgia and Florida been crippled yet?

That's not even counting the long term damage this shit causes after it gets done fucking you up 6 ways to Sunday. * I dunno about you but lung and heart damage does not sound fun. *

Any day. Still waiting on that """LoNg CoViD""" to hit me...

I'm starting to think you fuckers would have written the Spanish Flu off as "just a cold bro".

I'm starting to think you fuckers will demand infinite masks and a vaccine when you figure out what rhinoviruses and influenza can do

 

[Illuminati Order Official]

I mean it still is a thing on a purely scientific standpoint, its just that actually believing in survival of the fittest gets you labeled as a fashizt anti-voxxxer grandma-killer in this day and age.

Survival of the fittest is very narrow and animalistic view on the issue. Civilization drifted away from pure physical prowess, we made the world much more complicated and now it's more like "survival of the best adjusted". But it's nullified to a degree because, at least in America and Europe, we tend to provide basic resources to pretty much anybody, no matter how well-adjusted they are.

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

Survival of the fittest is very narrow and animalistic view on the issue. Civilization drifted away from pure physical prowess, we made the world much more complicated and now it's more like "survival of the best adjusted". But it's nullified to a degree because, at least in America and Europe, we tend to provide basic resources to pretty much anybody, no matter how well-adjusted they are.

Fitness in Darwinian terms is more complex than "physically strong", but yeah I otherwise agree.

My point is that it happens in every other organism, even down to sub-organismal beings (e.g. viruses), its just that H. sapiens refuses to let it happen in our own species.

 

[Lawrence of Algeria]

In the event where I would actually have to take the vax which one do you recommend? Not exactly eager to do it but my country is "exceptional" and for all I know they'll make it mandatory at any point and there will probably be a shortage as usual and I won't even be able to choose what I'd be getting.

Just want to know in advance.

 

[Illuminati Order Official]

My point is that it happens in every other organism, even down to sub-organismal beings (e.g. viruses), its just that H. sapiens refuses to let it happen in our own species.

In case of this virus it's too random to be an important contributing factor to natural selection. It doesn't kill specific people with specific unwanted characteristics, we either don't know what influences severity of the symptoms or it's totally random. Plus, there are lasting effects like brain fog that can turn a productive member of society into a, well, less productive member of society.
So, I'd say it's better to take precautions.

In the event where I would actually have to take the vax which one do you recommend?

People I know in high-risk professions (docs and teachers) took Pfizer and Astra-Zeneca. None of them suffered any serious side-effects, one person was tired and groggy after Pfizer for a day.

 

[RomanesEuntDomus]

The mask mandates are still in effect because 1. Not everybody has gotten vaccinated and 2. We still don't know if you can still spread it even if you're vaccinated because it's a novel virus.

Case in point: I know someone where at that person's workplace a whole lot of people suddenly got the Chink Stink and the most likely suspect to spread it around was a guy who was not wearing a mask cause he was fully vaccinated. It's not really confirmed, but the situation makes it very likely that he spread it around, which would really suck.

Also, got my second mRNA shot last week and had some issues the first two days with short breath and circulatory problems, but I got better rather quickly. Now everything is fine and dandy. I should really invest in Microsoft® stocks.

That's funny, because the people who freak the fuck out about a virus with <0.3% lethality rate make me wonder the same.

Not to put any words into your mouth, but whenever I see that argument, it's usually from people who are pro-life, which just baffles the shit out of me.
In cases like those, I suppose the life of someone who's past the age of 65 (when Covid lethality takes a steep rise and ends up in the 25% range for people in their late 70s) just isn't as sacred all of a sudden.

I don't know if you're pro-life or not, I just wanted to point out that weird leap of logic, where sanctity of life is important enough to go full "abortions are evil satanist mumbo jumbo" on one hand and "yeah, who cares about granny? She can die for all I care." on the other.

now it's more like "survival of the best adjusted".

That's the basic idea of "survival of the fittest" and always was. It's not about strength, it's about being suitable to a situation.
For example: Your body is constantly trying to reduce unneeded muscle mass while stocking up on fat, in case a famine strikes. Your body is not optimizing its chances of survival by building and retaining raw body strength, it tries to increase your chances by being able to keep you alive even if you can't find food.

 

[Cpl. Long Dong Silver]

Broke: getting your fauci ouchie
Woke: not getting a shot
Bespoke: faking several vaccine cards

 

[Brillig]

There are multiple reasons not to get any of these jabs and so far, no good reasons to get it. As an ancient yet rather healthy person, I never get viruses anyway. I've never had a flu shot, haven't had the flu for decades. Why bother now? There aren't deaths from covid per se but rather deaths from complications due to comorbidities. Comorbidities should also prevent one from getting the shot as more serious complications could result.

35 https://www.globalresearch.ca/no-jab-me-here-reasons-why/5744359

18 https://www.deconstructingconventional.com/post/18-reason-i-won-t-be-getting-a-covid-vaccine

No Jab For Me

Here are all the reasons Crimes Against Humanity are being committed and why to say NO to the mRNA jab.

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Court cases are in process. This is the most recent international one I know of.

The New Nuremberg Trials 2021 – Please Share this info! – BREAKING-NEWS.CA

What's the rush? Though some leaders have said they will not allow vaccine passports (they are contrary to numerous rights laws) and then said they will (here's looking at you Truedeaup), most countries haven't enacted them yet. They will prove to be one of the biggest boondoggles ever. Some very lucky corporations will be cheering now.

No plans for ‘divisive’ vaccine passports for Canadians, Trudeau says - National | Globalnews.ca

The idea of a vaccine or immunization passport has already been touted as a means to travel and return to public areas by businesses and countries across the world.

globalnews.ca

Canada will align policy on 'vaccine passports' with international allies: Trudeau

Canada may require international travellers to prove they were vaccinated against COVID-19 before they can enter the country, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said.

www.ctvnews.ca

 

[Illuminati Order Official]

That's the basic idea of "survival of the fittest" and always was. It's not about strength, it's about being suitable to a situation.

Yes, I know - I was trying to counter anti-vax idea that "If you would die from the cough the world is better off without you anyway".

 

[Ecliptic]

I don't know if you're pro-life or not, I just wanted to point out that weird leap of logic, where sanctity of life is important enough to go full "abortions are evil satanist mumbo jumbo" on one hand and "yeah, who cares about granny? She can die for all I care." on the other.

There's usually some chillingly pragmatic reason behind most fundie beliefs, pro-life is a small part of the overall goal of procreation and passing their beliefs along to the next generation. If that means one less season of Matlock for granny, hey, that's the way she goes. It worked that way for centuries and they're still around. I guess everyone's a hypocrite if you dig deep enough.
Except Desmond '#AsianLivesMatter' Doss, he went ashore on Okinawa in 1945 without a weapon, because he believed killing anyone - even dug-in enemy Anime-Americans - was wrong.

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

Not to put any words into your mouth, but whenever I see that argument, it's usually from people who are pro-life, which just baffles the shit out of me.
In cases like those, I suppose the life of someone who's past the age of 65 (when Covid lethality takes a steep rise and ends up in the 25% range for people in their late 70s) just isn't as sacred all of a sudden.

I don't know if you're pro-life or not, I just wanted to point out that weird leap of logic, where sanctity of life is important enough to go full "abortions are evil satanist mumbo jumbo" on one hand and "yeah, who cares about granny? She can die for all I care." on the other.

So look at it like this: I support protecting nesting sea turtles. I do not believe someone should be allowed to go to a beach and poach some turtle eggs.
I do not think that we should have boats following and feeding the baby sea turtles non-stop into and past adulthood. Does that make me a hypocrite?

I also do not think sharks should be driven to extinction to ensure no more sea turtles will ever have to die or be debilitated by shark attacks ever again. Am I a hypocrite for wanting to protect the incubating eggs but not the active adults?
I do not think that we should shut down and isolate the world's oceans to eradicate fibropapilloma. Does this make me a hypocrite?
By all means, if a turtle washes a shore and can be transported to a reptile/marine veterinary facility please treat it and do everything to save it and get it back into the wild; but am I a hypocrite for wanting to protect infants from intentional action but not adults from natural causes?

Also its a loaded question, because for a pro-lifer to be a hypocrite they would have to be in support of outright murdering post-birth humans with direct action (e.g. gun, knife, car, club, etc.).
I think its dumb to compare a death via natural cause to intentional direct action, but I guess that's just me...

 

[FEETLOAF]

When Italy refused to take this shit seriously it nearly crippled their entire country and it's killed nearly 600 thousand people in the US despite only being a year in * that's over 10 times the amount the flu kills every year btw * and that's with at least an attempt at containment.

The numbers are obscenely inflated. Where I live there are >700 "outstanding cases." What does an outstanding case mean? Does it mean a guy coughing up blood in an ICU? They sure make it sound like it does. In reality it means someone got a PCR test that said positive, and they have not yet come back to get a PCR test that said negative. That's it. It doesn't mean they're symptomatic, it doesn't mean they're a corpse, it doesn't mean anything. It means a test (the maker of which says isn't even a test) gave a positive result.
They gave a literal bounty on covid cases for the entire duration of this outbreak. Literal cash prizes to anyone who diagnoses a case of COVID. You are *absolutely insane* if you hear that and don't think "Oh, so the real number is like 10% of the reported number, got it." It is inflated all to hell. Flu cases last year were ZERO because every single one of them was counted as covid. People are being called covid deaths if they fall off their roof and happen to have chronic bronchitis. It's a scam on a massive scale and it's not even subtle.

I'm starting to think you fuckers would have written the Spanish Flu off as "just a cold bro".

There were carts full of dead people in the streets during the spanish flu. There were piles of dead bodies. I walk outside and everyone is smiling, the sun is shining, and the only sirens are from fire engines. Where is the horror? Where is the tragedy? Two people in my state have died. Two. We shut down every single business unilaterally and without critical thinking over two deaths. More than two hobos probably drowned in the river tide last night.

In the event where I would actually have to take the vax which one do you recommend? Not exactly eager to do it but my country is "exceptional" and for all I know they'll make it mandatory at any point and there will probably be a shortage as usual and I won't even be able to choose what I'd be getting.

Just want to know in advance.

Moderna is going to be the most likely to be safe afaik. Astrazenica has already been banned in most of europe and Pfizer is... Pfizer.
If you get the jab document as much as possible, the lawyer in your inevitable class action will appreciate it.

Not to put any words into your mouth, but whenever I see that argument, it's usually from people who are pro-life, which just baffles the shit out of me.
In cases like those, I suppose the life of someone who's past the age of 65 (when Covid lethality takes a steep rise and ends up in the 25% range for people in their late 70s) just isn't as sacred all of a sudden.

"Pro life" is a massive misnomer which consistently confuses people. It does not mean "Every single life needs to be protected and no death should happen ever." It simply means we oppose murder. The life of your 65 year old grandma is exactly as sacred as a 0 year old fetus, I would be just as outraged if someone murdered her. No one is murdering your grandmother like babies are murdered at planned parenthood. She's just dying of natural causes. Getting a coof is not an immoral act on anyone's part.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

It is a sad state of our academic-elitist culture that not obeying the elites is now a "medical disorder" and idiots like you actually buy it.

That's a lot of words for saying you're assmad that your crippling autism made you go to a sped school and now you're too retarded to acknowledge that there's people who know more about certain subjects (that they've devoted their lives to studying) than you do

Fauci is a dumbass.

Yeah I am sure that you're just so much smarter and know so much more about a virus than the nation's top virus researching doctor.

 

[SIGSEGV]

NOOO!!!
not my favorite fed poster take me instead Bill Gates he was just let back on

Unironically kill yourself. I fucking despise you and everyone else who puts me up on a pedestal like this.

 

[FEETLOAF]

That's a lot of words for saying you're assmad that your crippling autism made you go to a sped school and now you're too retarded to acknowledge that there's people who know more about certain subjects (that they've devoted their lives to studying) than you do

Even if they know more than me I'm still not going to subordinate my decisionmaking to them. If they want to convince me, they have to convince me. I will literally never go "Oh, he's got XYZ qualifications, I'll just do what he says."

 

[draggs]

Unironically kill yourself. I fucking despise you and everyone else who puts me up on a pedestal like this.

Who puts you on a pedestal?

 

[SIGSEGV]

Who puts you on a pedestal?

Retards like @Bubblysink and @Hempsoap are prime examples.

 

[Vulva Gape]

Even if they know more than me I'm still not going to subordinate my decisionmaking to them. If they want to convince me, they have to convince me. I will literally never go "Oh, he's got XYZ qualifications, I'll just do what he says."

It's hubris. Smart people outsource their decision making to those best informed.

 

[FEETLOAF]

It's hubris. Smart people outsource their decision making to those best informed.

Smart people think for themselves. Everything I do has to make sense to me.