Are you ready for when society collapses?

Osmosis Jones said:
I believe that making yourself socially invaluable is going to be the key to surviving and getting into a circle of other people interested in your wellbeing.
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Get friends, join clubs, build posse. This can't be stated hard enough because groups of people working together are going to be far better off then individuals hoarding shit as loners and being easy targets.
 
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cybertoaster said:
Sounds inefficient tbh, is this done at scale? is it cheaper than evaporation thru heat?
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No. Not efficient. But, it exists.

Batteries have a membrane which separates the electrodes - like a thin plastic sheet. Most do - a semi-permeable membrane of any kind would work.
 
I have a few weeks, maybe months worth of food. I have access to water and ways to purify it. I can produce energy for myself. I have plenty of tools to make myself useful. I don't know how long I'd last, but I can take a few hits. I don't think anything serious is going to happen though. Not really. It'll just be a slow decline into no more luxury and then an upheaval that hopefully I won't have to participate in will set it right, for the most part, preventing absolute collapse.

We'll see.
 
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cybertoaster said:
Take a look:
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You would assume that the USA would have massive canal systems internally - it's part of the Crimea problem. Russia had built canals to irrigate Crimea in the 19th century, which Ukraine maliciously cut off when Crimea was annexed.

I know it's not really the time or place, but the USA's lack of hydroelectric power is bizarre. Surely, there's room for it - hydroelectric is an incredibly powerful resource, yet the USA neglects it. Canada doesn't - my recommendation would be to go to Quebec. It's cold, but they will have power when everyone else will stumble.
 
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I've got multiple self replenishing food sources on my property of varying types and know how to prepare them in case power goes out. If it really comes down to it I've gotten the shit scared out of me by enough fuck huge grasshoppers jumping on me at night I could subsist by eating ze bugs if I needed to. Far enough away from anything someone would want to nuke that I'd be fine. Thing that would scare me is ecological weapons in the form of invasive species but for the most part those would just end up as food in a survival situation.
 
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Doctor Love said:
Batteries have a membrane which separates the electrodes - like a thin plastic sheet. Most do - a semi-permeable membrane of any kind would work.
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I know but is the membrane able to filter even viruses like reverse osmosis do? also wouldn't the membrane be contaminated from the battery components?
Doctor Love said:
You would assume that the USA would have massive canal systems internally
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We have but we still lack the water itself, read Cadillac Desert for more on water rights.
 
cybertoaster said:
We have but we still lack the water itself, read Cadillac Desert for more on water rights.
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Honestly my focus has been on the nitrate regulations.

Just FYI, the USA is one of the only countries where you can still buy them. There is a "Global Arms Embargo" coming, focused on ammunition manufacture. I've been working on a way to circumvent that, but being British, it's hard to get anywhere.
 
Doctor Love said:
You would assume that the USA would have massive canal systems internally - it's part of the Crimea problem. Russia had built canals to irrigate Crimea in the 19th century, which Ukraine maliciously cut off when Crimea was annexed.

I know it's not really the time or place, but the USA's lack of hydroelectric power is bizarre. Surely, there's room for it - hydroelectric is an incredibly powerful resource, yet the USA neglects it. Canada doesn't - my recommendation would be to go to Quebec. It's cold, but they will have power when everyone else will stumble.
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Americans are generally too fat, lazy and/or incompetent to develop their infrastructure beyond the post-WWII midcentury paradigm. It’s the same reason they get very defensive about the US’s railway infrastructure being embarrassingly lacking and blame the country’s size as the reason (despite China and Russia putting them to shame in this regard) even though in the early 20th century the US had the most advanced system of urban, suburban and transcontinental railways on earth. It’s the same reason they haven’t repealed the Jones Act despite the country’s waterways being perfect for mass river cargo shipments - which would lead to the revitalization of many impoverished de-industrialized river towns and cities. Many Americans just assume that the country is the best at everything by default (due to heavy childhood and cultural messaging) including infrastructure, so there’s no incentive to improve or develop things, or even have the humility to actually observe what does and doesn’t work in other countries that could be put to use in the US. I’m saying this as an Amerimutt myself. It’s going to come back to bite us in the ass more and more in the near future.
 
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Always think of this when people discuss prepping and surviving such things:

She could hear the distant sound of the calliope and she saw in her head all the tents raised up in a kind of gold sawdust light and the diamond ring of the ferris wheel going around and around up in the air and down again and the screeking merry-go-round going around and around on the ground. A fair lasted five or six days and there was a special afternoon for school children and a special night for niggers. She had gone last year on the afternoon for school children and had seen the monkeys and the fat man and had ridden on the ferris wheel. Certain tents were closed then because they contained things that would be known only to grown people but she had looked with interest at the advertising on the closed tents, at the faded-looking pictures on the can- vas of people in tights, with stiff stretched composed faces like the faces of the martyrs waiting to have their tongues cut out by the Roman soldier. She had imagined that what was inside these tents concerned medicine and she had made up her mind to be a doctor when she grew up.

She had since changed and decided to be an engineer but as she looked out the window and followed the revolving searchlight as it widened and shortened and wheeled in its arc, she felt that she would have to be much more than just a doctor or an engineer. She would have to be a saint because that was the occupation that included everything you could know; and yet she knew she would never be a saint. She did not steal or murder but she was a born liar and slothful and she sassed her mother and was deliberately ugly to almost everybody. She was eaten up also with the sin of Pride, the worst one. She made fun of the Baptist preacher who came to the school at commencement to give the devotional. She would pull down her mouth and hold her forehead as if she were in agony and groan, “Fawther, we thank Thee,” exactly the way he did and she had been told many times not to do it. She could never be a saint, but she thought she could be a martyr if they killed her quick.

She could stand to be shot but not to be burned in oil. She didn’t know if she could stand to be torn to pieces by lions or not. She began to prepare her martyrdom, seeing herself in a pair of tights in a great arena, lit by the early Christians hanging in cages of fire, making a gold dusty light that fell on her and the lions. The first lion charged forward and fell at her feet, converted. A whole series of lions did the same. The lions liked her so much she even slept with them and finally the Romans were obliged to burn her but to their astonishment she would not burn down and finding she was so hard to kill, they finally cut off her head quickly with a sword and she went immediately to heaven. She rehearsed this several times, returning each time at the entrance of Paradise to the lions.
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(Flannery O’Connor, “A Temple of the Holy Ghost“)
 
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Nope. Just a college student who was too busy to prep. Not that its needed anyways because societal collapse is just too far "inconvenient." There is too much infrastructure for it to all disappear, far top much info documented, patented, archived. There will only be transitions/splits of government and new (or old) ideas, not a collapse like the Bronze age, roman empire, etc. You will just see new boundaries and maps. Whether its weimar, the ussr, or a new dynasty depends on a number of factors.
 
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I'm personally only concerned with surviving that "initial period of anarchy", that some have mentioned before. Canned and nonperishable foods, a well and various means of water purification, plenty of spare clothes and an old washboard, reliable firearms and plenty of ammunition, toilet paper and other sanitary products, some OTCs and first aid supplies, and my great-grandpa's old tools to keep shit maintained. My house also has a fireplace, which not enough people are talking about, along with owning a good bicycle and a manual air pump. Living way out in farm country helps too, since I know my neighbors and anyone new in town is noticed fast.

If that "initial period of anarchy" lasts longer than a month, then I guess I'll have to adapt to the new normal. But I think I'm prepared enough to survive at least 2-6 weeks with just what I have stockpiled.

When it comes to firearms and ammunition, to be frank, you should not be looking for a gunfight. Stockpiling thousands of rounds is a good idea, but you should always keep in mind that getting into a gunfight is WORST CASE SCENARIO. You should be avoiding trouble as much as you possibly can, and if you're trading shots with someone else because they shot first, you should be trying to break contact and escape as quickly as possible without leading them to your home.
 
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