Argue with a handful of individuals over the DOGE's "report your work" scheme. Both unemployed and employed are welcome

[byron]

I'll be fair and point out you never listed a number of ghost employees

That's correct. He hallucinated the words, "tens of thousands"

but literally the first thing on your counterpoint list to my original post was catching ghost employees.

Yes, that's correct. I personally think that's an important goal.


Consider this:

"you need to have a meaningful discourse"

I didn't say you *need* to. I said I doubt I'm going to get it. You make up things inside your own head - how often do you think that happens?

 

[Laughing Putin]

So Elon is putting the entire Federal government through this stupid exercise to find a few dozen ghost employees. Got it.

 

[オプセック]

That's correct. He hallucinated the words, "tens of thousands"


Yes, that's correct. I personally think that's an important goal.


Consider this:
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I didn't say you *need* to. I said I doubt I'm going to get it. You make up things inside your own head - how often do you think that happens?

If they were really smart, they would've actually send out this very questionnaire for a heart beat, open questions always scare people away in scenarios like this.
You can't really incriminate yourself with it and it's a neat, low complexity (human) bot filter too.
Tho, you might still have run into that "don't answer" order issue sooner than later...
They didn't move fast enough here...

That first empty response wave which didn't take, was just stupid, but this is what they should've and could've done.
Amateurs... would've solved the "ghost employees" with less (legitimate) reeeing.

 

[The Gene Genie]

When I was a 1LT in the Army,

This explains this whole exchange. Fucking officers.

 

[byron]

So Elon is putting the entire Federal government through this stupid exercise to find a few dozen ghost employees. Got it.

"we don't know how many there are so therefore it's not worth looking for them"

Really? Is that an accurate restatement of your position?? For real??

 

[Laughing Putin]

To belabor the point, I was thinking, what if there actually were 1,000 ghost employees. Assuming $100K a year in salary and benefits, that still only adds up to $100M per year in savings. The deficit is literally 20,000 times bigger. It seems hardly worth our while, no?

 

[TheMotherCucker]

Here you go:

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To stay on topic:

Imagine your boss is named Joe. And Joe's boss is named Sam. One day, you see on TV that Sam has appointed someone named Bob to fire employees in your company.

The next day, you get an email from Bob asking you to please list 5 accomplishments.

...and you think reply, "I DONT REPORT TO BOB!!! I REPORT TO JOE!!!" is a smart thing to do?


Why are you being a sperg right now? Did my comment in this thread trigger you that hard??



Imagine your boss is named Joe. And Joe's boss is named Sam. One day, you see on TV that Sam has appointed someone named Bob to fire employees in your company.

The next day, you get an email from Bob asking you to please list 5 accomplishments.

...and you think reply, "I DONT REPORT TO BOB!!! I REPORT TO JOE!!!" is a smart thing to do?

oh look its Byron a foreigner of sex, trying to hurt my feelings with his sad pathetic come backs.
But little does the creature know that through the valley we go, that the flo on this beat gon destroy him yo.
Now, I know you love just to defend your sacred African pedophile. Sucking greasy nigger boomer dick like it was the creme de le nile.
But why don't you stick your fat ass where it belongs you redditor. If this was persona when you face yourself it would be alien vs predditor.

Now, can this subhaitian iq individual so clearly obese I can see it in his typing please go outside and get some brain cells before coming back to tango?

 

[Cyber Bowling]

Let's not pretend that they got an email from elon69@aol.com that said, "please click here and log in with your government SSN and password" (which, hilariously, is how the DNC emails were leaked in 2016 - it was a phishing email to podesta)

No, they all know exactly what DOGE is, and they all got an email from a .gov address.

Also, let's not pretend that they were asked to forward the blueprints for the top secret UFO engine they're working on. If you are working on a UFO engine, then all you have to say is, "worked on a number of projects in my department, met with stakeholders to review requirements documents, met with my workgroup and reviewed open tickets"

This is not hard. You guys in this thread are bending over backwards to make it seem so odd and unusual and difficult. I'm giving sensible straightforward answers.

- you know where the email came from. You know what DOGE is. It's in the news.
- you can provide a general, non-classified list of things you worked on.
- being obtuse about this just paints a target on your back.

When I say third party, I mean unrelated to their company. I'd hope that if someone from the IRS emailed someone else through their .gov account asking for job details, they'd at least ask their manager about it. Even if they're just asked about barebones information, I'd be hesitant to say anything and ask my manager first.

But your other points circle back around to my initial point about how easy it would be to lie. If anything, you're providing more evidence for it. Yes, they know what DOGE is and what DOGE is doing. Which is precisely why I think some employees would either greatly puff up what they do or potentially lie outright because they don't want to paint a target on their back. They know the people who don't answer will receive said target, so nobody will investigate their claims. And because DOGE is operating on such a large scale, there's no way they have people who are so familiar with every government department/employee role that they could call BS and investigate the claims.

And it actually helps that they can be purposefully vague under the scrutiny of security. Like, someone vaguely associated with the defense department could say something along the lines of "participated in meetings regarding nuclear armament deployment in the case of World War 3" when in reality they're just transferring calls to someone higher up the food chain because they're a glorified secretary.

Even employees who are playing ball and giving honest answers...it's not helpful because someone saying "worked on a number of projects in my department, met with stakeholders to review requirements documents, met with my workgroup and reviewed open tickets" really does come off as a middle management employee who you could absolutely cut. Again, using the Bobs as an example, that's basically why whatshisface lost his job.

I'm not trying to say people shouldn't be cut, just that this was a very amateur and ultimately useless way to determine who should/shouldn't be cut. Especially when it comes to such a broad sweep in federal government roles. There's just too big of a range, and we've seen this with some of the previous firings. I fully agree there are meaningful cuts we can make to the government without losing anything. But there are some government roles that are incredibly important and the employees can't simply be replaced. It's not like firing a cashier, where you can randomly pull an application from a pile and find someone who is equally qualified for the role and have them starting at the end of the week.

It just feels like the type of suggestion that would be lumped in with a bunch of corporate sounding buzzwords. But it feels even worse because this is the federal government we're talking about. I know this is being painfully optimistic, but I want a government that actually operates with precision and efficiency, not a government that will hire/fire based on "where do you see yourself in five years" style questions.

Like I said before, I think the way to do it is take the time to put the screws to the managers. See who is/isn't doing those jobs first, then when you identify the ones that are actually getting stuff done, work with them to conduct performance reviews and keeping going down the list until you've hit all the employees. This also has the benefit of targeting the most important (at least on paper) employees first. Use the scalpel, not the shotgun. This email approach doesn't really show anything because what if you have employees who are good at their job not answering because their managers told them not to? Then they get fired, even though they might be qualified for their positions and arguably quite loyal for listening to their managers directly, which is typically something you want in your employees. Or worse, you have the above-mentioned liars who are bloating their resumes and job descriptions so they can continue to leech off of government paychecks and benefits, but now they're floating under the radar because all the targets are on "lazy" employees who didn't answer the email, or the inevitable re-hiring process when you have to scramble to bring back people after you accidentally fired essential workers.

 

[TheMotherCucker]

Is anyone allowed to nominate insane comments for the random text file?

You're simping for a child molester who gropes his own son and brags about his crimes on the social media platform he bought and forces all users to look at. What's wrong with you? Just go to South Africa if you wanna worship an albino nigger who fucks kids. They got a factory full of em.

 

[オプセック]

You're simping for a child molester who gropes his own son and brags about his crimes on the social media platform he bought and forces all users to look at. What's wrong with you? Just go to South Africa if you wanna worship an albino nigger who fucks kids. They got a factory full of em.

Take your meds and @byron : You answered when they told you not to, didn't you?

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

The notion that there are tens of thousands of ghost employees is almost as absurd as the claim that there were millions of 150 year olds getting Social Security.

MAGA cultists are not known for being intelligent or not falling for grifts

 

[Executive Petrel]

Should also point out the people who got fired in Office Space were the ones who tried to justify their "accomplishments" to the Bobs. Not Peter who told them how fucked up things were.

When pajeet rules, female federal workers have to report bobs and vagene once per week.

 

[Agamemnon Busmalis]

When pajeet rules, female federal workers have to report bobs and vagene once per week.

I already told you saars! I deal with the bloody benchod customers so the bastard bitch engineers don't have to. I have people skills saars! I am fucking your mother!

 

[TheMotherCucker]

Take your meds and @byron : You answered when they told you not to, didn't you?

Sumono momo momo no ichi ya fat fruitcake. "Eliminate the ketamine from your life before you attempt to add any shit to mine." It's in the bible, Sermon on the mount. You might have heard of it. It's prertty famous.

 

[オプセック]

This is a person who has never had a job.

>Hey boss, I've answered that email you did specifically ask us not to answer. That one from the guys who want to fire us all.
>You're fired!
>B-But they said doge is IN CHARGE on the news!
>Elon save meee!
>Elon descends on angel wings - wonkily, kinda like that poor investor guy in The Menu
>Yes, I've heard your pleas and how you ratted out your co workers and superiors!
>Your whole department is fired, thanks for your cooperation.

/that's what elon hoped would happen, no doubt.

 

[Friend of Dorothy Parker]

worked on a number of projects in my department, met with stakeholders to review requirements documents, met with my workgroup and reviewed open tickets"

Those are not accomplishments. That's a recitation of what you did, but not what you accomplished.

Even if this were some kind of well-planned exercise (it's not), if you gave that answer in response to "what did you accomplish?", you should be fired.

 

[Anonymus Fluhre]

>Hey boss, I've answered that email you did specifically ask us not to answer. That one from the guys who want to fire us all.
>You're fired!
>B-But they said doge is IN CHARGE on the news!
>Elon save meee!
>Elon descends on angel wings - wonkily, kinda like that poor investor guy in The Menu
>Yes, I've heard your pleas and how you ratted out your co workers and superiors!
>Your whole department is fired, thanks for your cooperation.

/that's what elon hoped would happen, no doubt.

So what you're saying is that he's running doge and his policies the same way he's ran any of his companies?

 

[TheMotherCucker]

This is a person who has never had a job.

I haven't had a real job in over a decade and I understand this. I also have family in the military who understand this as well for different reasons. You talk directly to your superiors, not some newfag. If it aint a customer nor your boss they can fuck off. That's how every job works.

 

[johnkimble123]

No, the department didn't do that. The company did it.

In this case, the company is the federal government.


Let's not pretend that they got an email from elon69@aol.com that said, "please click here and log in with your government SSN and password" (which, hilariously, is how the DNC emails were leaked in 2016 - it was a phishing email to podesta)

No, they all know exactly what DOGE is, and they all got an email from a .gov address.

Also, let's not pretend that they were asked to forward the blueprints for the top secret UFO engine they're working on. If you are working on a UFO engine, then all you have to say is, "worked on a number of projects in my department, met with stakeholders to review requirements documents, met with my workgroup and reviewed open tickets"

This is not hard. You guys in this thread are bending over backwards to make it seem so odd and unusual and difficult. I'm giving sensible straightforward answers.

- you know where the email came from. You know what DOGE is. It's in the news.
- you can provide a general, non-classified list of things you worked on.
- being obtuse about this just paints a target on your back.

This is all very reasonable. The objections I'm hearing are ridiculous.


No I don't. You just made that up inside your own head. Like others here, you hallucinate straw men. You aren't being rational.

I know it's popular to call you a tard so I'll refrain but... OPM never sends emails. It would be like if the marketing department that happened to run a website your team used once all of a sudden demands to know what you are working on every day. And HR@opm 100% is not an email that has ever existed until Elon's douchebags took over.

 

[mofu mofo]

Assuming that DOGE is still using that email server that they just plugged in somewhere in an OPM (was it that dept.?) office... what would happen if all 2 million+ federal employees sent an email to it at about the same time?