Argue with Adrenochrome Dreams about the benefits of keeping a child's corpse on life support

[Adrenochrome Dreams]

If this was happening to me I would be in a state of total collapse. I won’t judge the nick of her today of all days.

Goes without saying I wouldn’t be on the fucking Jeremy Kyle Show last night or taking the piss out of the courts either, but she gets a pass on dirty trackies. I would for sure be benzo’ed up to the eyes the night before my kid was going to die (in my mind).

I can see why these looming death dates feel like an “execution” to her if she truly thinks her kid is still there.

I think the Jeremy Kyle interview was a backup plan for if they didn’t get anither stay yesterday; the hospital would have been unlikely to pull the plug until she got back so would have given them an extra few hours.

Very much this. The very definition of working class is to actually WORK. Touting yourself on Sky News 30 seconds after finding out that your child is going to have life-sustaining treatment withdrawn doesn't count.

Class has nothing to do with working anymore, it’s not Victorian times.

 

[SkitterNimbus]

Class has nothing to do with working anymore, it’s not Victorian times.

That’s absolutely not true. Class is a really big deal in the uk. Working class means working people. Lower class means HD and family.

 

[oldclocknewclock]

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[Fareal]

Although hating to be one for contributing information that has the potential to support unpopular perspectives, is anyone here at all familiar with the case of Noah Wall?
A recent update on the lad can be found here:

https://www.itv.com/news/border/2022-03-07/boy-defies-odds-and-turns-10-year-old-after-being-born-with-2-brain-function

I have absolutely no inclination towards believing in 'miracles' or 'divine intervention' whatsoever; there has to be a perfectly rational explanation for why Noah's brain was able to undergo post-natal development/repair. However, as of now the precise scientific explanation behind why it happened is beyond the grasp of current human science.

BUT - at the risk of being annoyingly optimistic - it doubtfully will remain so forever. Human science is a collection of knowledge continuously building on top of what is already known. A significant number of historical unnatural/premature deaths would have been easily preventable with what today is considered the even most primitive of medicinal practices.

As for how this relates to Archie:

There is something unsettling about the confidence and sense of absolute certainty expressed by many of those discussing brain death, no/zero chance of recovery, and calling the poor boy a 'corpse'. But since when has the term 'nought chance' had a place in proper scientific discussion?

Good medics and scientists are meant to recognise the limited extent of their own knowledge. It is said the more one learns the more one realises one still does not know. Science advances upon the failure to disprove new ideas, not the drowning of heretics in angry spit.

His odds are unimaginably low, but they are not null. For many families (the vast majority) it is easier to find solace in the faith that their child was part of the 99.99999% but there are always the exceptions, and albeit horrifying to fathom a handful of those patients that the plug was pulled on likely could have recovered given more time. It is better not to contemplate this not because it is irrational, but because the possibility in hindsight of having given up on a loved one too early will not bring the dead back and only be the cause of further grief.

Those where the family chooses to hold onto forlorn hope are unlikely to be precisely those cases where the poor soul will ever wake up, but rather where there is desire for a greater degree of certainty prior to performing an irreversible act.

Chances are, if no actions are taken, an absolute certainty might be imminent anyways. If Archie's hearts fails full stop whilst receiving all the medical care available, it will provide an even higher degree of certainty for everyone. At worst, the public can shout a collective 'told you so' in her face. There are only two reasonably possible outcomes if treatment continues - and neither is all that bad (save for those who want Archie in the ground regardless).

Thinking cynically, if the boy dies the country will already be saving plenty in the form of benefits no longer being claimed. If it also provides closure and spares the nation a series of indefinite lawsuits, what's there to it if a little more is spent on an ICU?

All that said, let it be clear I have absolutely no illusions about Archie's actual odds or the fact HD likes attention. It seems that this is not Archie's first time having his medical affairs being thrust into the limelight:

Boy, 4, In Agony After Boots Pharmacist Gave Him Ear Drops For An Eye Infection

Boy, 4, In Agony After Boots Pharmacist Gave Him Ear Drops For An Eye Infection

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk

Boy, four, suffers agonising burns after Boots pharmacy gave him ear drops for his eye infection

Archie Battersbee developed conjunctivitis after starting primary school in Southend, Essex and was prescribed eye drops by his doctor but his pharmacist dispensed the wrong medicine.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Thankfully it was eye-related and not a skin rash or hernia.

Even in spite of that, HD's actions are understandable; everyone groans about chavs living off of the system, but when life doesn't go their way there are no personal or private assets for them to turn to - mobilising public support is the only chance at getting what they want. If Archie were a public schoolboy he'd have been airlifted to a Swiss or US clinic months ago.

(Merely a few random thoughts)

If he was a public schoolboy none of this would have occurred. The upper classes don’t keep cabbages around. Never have.

Also, PICU beds are a finite and incredibly important resource in any health system. There is a kid somewhere who is being supported as best they can in HDU who actually really medically needs to be in the bed Archie is in in a full PICU unit, but they can’t get in there until this child who has no meaningful prospect of ever breathing unaided is returned to the Lord. That kid matters too.

 

[Mackerel Fish Stew]

Although hating to be one for contributing information that has the potential to support unpopular perspectives, is anyone here at all familiar with the case of Noah Wall?
A recent update on the lad can be found here:

https://www.itv.com/news/border/2022-03-07/boy-defies-odds-and-turns-10-year-old-after-being-born-with-2-brain-function

I have absolutely no inclination towards believing in 'miracles' or 'divine intervention' whatsoever; there has to be a perfectly rational explanation for why Noah's brain was able to undergo post-natal development/repair. However, as of now the precise scientific explanation behind why it happened is beyond the grasp of current human science.

BUT - at the risk of being annoyingly optimistic - it doubtfully will remain so forever. Human science is a collection of knowledge continuously building on top of what is already known. A significant number of historical unnatural/premature deaths would have been easily preventable with what today is considered the even most primitive of medicinal practices.

As for how this relates to Archie:

There is something unsettling about the confidence and sense of absolute certainty expressed by many of those discussing brain death, no/zero chance of recovery, and calling the poor boy a 'corpse'. But since when has the term 'nought chance' had a place in proper scientific discussion?

Good medics and scientists are meant to recognise the limited extent of their own knowledge. It is said the more one learns the more one realises one still does not know. Science advances upon the failure to disprove new ideas, not the drowning of heretics in angry spit.

His odds are unimaginably low, but they are not null.

His brain is rotting inside of his skull, this condition (dead) is not remotely comparable to spina bifida and hydrocephalus

 

[Shitted Scaredless]

Although hating to be one for contributing information that has the potential to support unpopular perspectives, is anyone here at all familiar with the case of Noah Wall?
A recent update on the lad can be found here:

https://www.itv.com/news/border/2022-03-07/boy-defies-odds-and-turns-10-year-old-after-being-born-with-2-brain-function

I have absolutely no inclination towards believing in 'miracles' or 'divine intervention' whatsoever; there has to be a perfectly rational explanation for why Noah's brain was able to undergo post-natal development/repair. However, as of now the precise scientific explanation behind why it happened is beyond the grasp of current human science.

BUT - at the risk of being annoyingly optimistic - it doubtfully will remain so forever. Human science is a collection of knowledge continuously building on top of what is already known. A significant number of historical unnatural/premature deaths would have been easily preventable with what today is considered the even most primitive of medicinal practices.

As for how this relates to Archie:

There is something unsettling about the confidence and sense of absolute certainty expressed by many of those discussing brain death, no/zero chance of recovery, and calling the poor boy a 'corpse'. But since when has the term 'nought chance' had a place in proper scientific discussion?

Good medics and scientists are meant to recognise the limited extent of their own knowledge. It is said the more one learns the more one realises one still does not know. Science advances upon the failure to disprove new ideas, not the drowning of heretics in angry spit.

His odds are unimaginably low, but they are not null. For many families (the vast majority) it is easier to find solace in the faith that their child was part of the 99.99999% but there are always the exceptions, and albeit horrifying to fathom a handful of those patients that the plug was pulled on likely could have recovered given more time. It is better not to contemplate this not because it is irrational, but because the possibility in hindsight of having given up on a loved one too early will not bring the dead back and only be the cause of further grief.

Those where the family chooses to hold onto forlorn hope are unlikely to be precisely those cases where the poor soul will ever wake up, but rather where there is desire for a greater degree of certainty prior to performing an irreversible act.

Chances are, if no actions are taken, an absolute certainty might be imminent anyways. If Archie's hearts fails full stop whilst receiving all the medical care available, it will provide an even higher degree of certainty for everyone. At worst, the public can shout a collective 'told you so' in her face. There are only two reasonably possible outcomes if treatment continues - and neither is all that bad (save for those who want Archie in the ground regardless).

Thinking cynically, if the boy dies the country will already be saving plenty in the form of benefits no longer being claimed. If it also provides closure and spares the nation a series of indefinite lawsuits, what's there to it if a little more is spent on an ICU?

All that said, let it be clear I have absolutely no illusions about Archie's actual odds or the fact HD likes attention. It seems that this is not Archie's first time having his medical affairs being thrust into the limelight:

Boy, 4, In Agony After Boots Pharmacist Gave Him Ear Drops For An Eye Infection

Boy, 4, In Agony After Boots Pharmacist Gave Him Ear Drops For An Eye Infection

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk

Boy, four, suffers agonising burns after Boots pharmacy gave him ear drops for his eye infection

Archie Battersbee developed conjunctivitis after starting primary school in Southend, Essex and was prescribed eye drops by his doctor but his pharmacist dispensed the wrong medicine.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Thankfully it was eye-related and not a skin rash or hernia.

Even in spite of that, HD's actions are understandable; everyone groans about chavs living off of the system, but when life doesn't go their way there are no personal or private assets for them to turn to - mobilising public support is the only chance at getting what they want. If Archie were a public schoolboy he'd have been airlifted to a Swiss or US clinic months ago.

(Merely a few random thoughts)

Hes dead you fuck.

 

[Fred the bald Eagle 1]

Although hating to be one for contributing information that has the potential to support unpopular perspectives, is anyone here at all familiar with the case of Noah Wall?
A recent update on the lad can be found here:
https://www.itv.com/news/border/2022-03-07/boy-defies-odds-and-turns-10-year-old-after-being-born-with-2-brain-function
I have absolutely no inclination towards believing in 'miracles' or 'divine intervention' whatsoever; there has to be a perfectly rational explanation for why Noah's brain was able to undergo post-natal development/repair. However, as of now the precise scientific explanation behind why it happened is beyond the grasp of current human science.

As for how this relates to Archie:

There is something unsettling about the confidence and sense of absolute certainty expressed by many of those discussing brain death, no/zero chance of recovery, and calling the poor boy a 'corpse'. But since when has the term 'nought chance' had a place in proper scientific discussion?
His odds are unimaginably low, but they are not null.

Noah Wall was born with 2% brain activity. It is a well observed phenomena that young childrens brains do continue to develop and create new pathways, and recovery from brain injury can happen.

It does not relate to archie because Archie doesn’t have 2% brain function. He has no brain function. There is nothing to recover, nothing to generate new neurons or pathways. There is no blood flow which is essential in healing.

Necrosis doesn’t heal. If a toe or limb is necrotic the only option is to amputate before the necrosis spreads.

Archie’s brain is necrotic. Not damaged, not %, there is no way it can heal.

Unless science has come up with a way to cure death Archie’s chances are 0. There isn’t an infinitesimal chance, a tiny percentage, there is none.

There is no comparison with a brain injured child. Especially one who at least could regulate a simple function like breathing. Archie cannot do that, he cannot regulate his hormones, he cannot absorb enough nutrients to keep himself alive.

A child who’s brain has liquified to the point you might as well have cut his head off, cannot survive. Whatever miracle, whatever science does or doesn’t know, a brainless body cannot survive.

 

[Adrenochrome Dreams]

Although hating to be one for contributing information that has the potential to support unpopular perspectives, is anyone here at all familiar with the case of Noah Wall?
A recent update on the lad can be found here:

https://www.itv.com/news/border/2022-03-07/boy-defies-odds-and-turns-10-year-old-after-being-born-with-2-brain-function

I have absolutely no inclination towards believing in 'miracles' or 'divine intervention' whatsoever; there has to be a perfectly rational explanation for why Noah's brain was able to undergo post-natal development/repair. However, as of now the precise scientific explanation behind why it happened is beyond the grasp of current human science.

BUT - at the risk of being annoyingly optimistic - it doubtfully will remain so forever. Human science is a collection of knowledge continuously building on top of what is already known. A significant number of historical unnatural/premature deaths would have been easily preventable with what today is considered the even most primitive of medicinal practices.

As for how this relates to Archie:

There is something unsettling about the confidence and sense of absolute certainty expressed by many of those discussing brain death, no/zero chance of recovery, and calling the poor boy a 'corpse'. But since when has the term 'nought chance' had a place in proper scientific discussion?

Good medics and scientists are meant to recognise the limited extent of their own knowledge. It is said the more one learns the more one realises one still does not know. Science advances upon the failure to disprove new ideas, not the drowning of heretics in angry spit.

His odds are unimaginably low, but they are not null. For many families (the vast majority) it is easier to find solace in the faith that their child was part of the 99.99999% but there are always the exceptions, and albeit horrifying to fathom a handful of those patients that the plug was pulled on likely could have recovered given more time. It is better not to contemplate this not because it is irrational, but because the possibility in hindsight of having given up on a loved one too early will not bring the dead back and only be the cause of further grief.

Those where the family chooses to hold onto forlorn hope are unlikely to be precisely those cases where the poor soul will ever wake up, but rather where there is desire for a greater degree of certainty prior to performing an irreversible act.

Chances are, if no actions are taken, an absolute certainty might be imminent anyways. If Archie's hearts fails full stop whilst receiving all the medical care available, it will provide an even higher degree of certainty for everyone. At worst, the public can shout a collective 'told you so' in her face. There are only two reasonably possible outcomes if treatment continues - and neither is all that bad (save for those who want Archie in the ground regardless).

Thinking cynically, if the boy dies the country will already be saving plenty in the form of benefits no longer being claimed. If it also provides closure and spares the nation a series of indefinite lawsuits, what's there to it if a little more is spent on an ICU?

All that said, let it be clear I have absolutely no illusions about Archie's actual odds or the fact HD likes attention. It seems that this is not Archie's first time having his medical affairs being thrust into the limelight:

Boy, 4, In Agony After Boots Pharmacist Gave Him Ear Drops For An Eye Infection

Boy, 4, In Agony After Boots Pharmacist Gave Him Ear Drops For An Eye Infection

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk

Boy, four, suffers agonising burns after Boots pharmacy gave him ear drops for his eye infection

Archie Battersbee developed conjunctivitis after starting primary school in Southend, Essex and was prescribed eye drops by his doctor but his pharmacist dispensed the wrong medicine.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Thankfully it was eye-related and not a skin rash or hernia.

Even in spite of that, HD's actions are understandable; everyone groans about chavs living off of the system, but when life doesn't go their way there are no personal or private assets for them to turn to - mobilising public support is the only chance at getting what they want. If Archie were a public schoolboy he'd have been airlifted to a Swiss or US clinic months ago.

(Merely a few random thoughts)

You make some good points. I'm ambivalent about pulling the plug; I used to be for it in this case, sad as it is, for obvious reasons. But, seeing as Archie is universally agreed to not be suffering, while the family definitely still are. There's a valid argument that it's worth it to let the family have a comforting sense that every avenue was explored and there was no hope of a miracle of God. Hollie wanted to wait 6 months for a miracle. That's only another two months and 5 days. It would have saved the NHS a lot in legal fees. She may have even given up earlier if she had had sufficient time to process, she was dragged to court only 17 days after they said Archie was hopeless, and it seems like they may have suggested a switch off multiple times before that (more than once or twice would have felt like harassment to her). Maybe she would have accepted his very likely fate a little sooner had there been more patience. Also the family are clearly suffering hugely with the idea of a pre-planned time of death. I don't understand why there are discussions about Archie's "welfare" or "best interests" if they think he's brain dead?

There is no evidence that Archie is taking away anyone else's bed (this would be a different matter if it was winter, deaths and hospitalisations increase massively then). If that was so, I would agree that he should be removed.

Regarding certainty about brain death, I would normally agree, but in this case, his brain has no blood flow, is releasing liquid which suggests brain cells are decomposing, and 10-20% of his brain stem is necrotic and a total of 50% is dead or damaged. His spinal cord has rotted in two areas, one in the thoracic area, meaning that even if God himself fully restored Archie's brain, he would be paralysed from the chest down. And that's based on MRI from late May, he'll be in a worse state now. If there is any case we can be sure has a 0% chance of recovery, it's this one.

I for one am happy that the courts are thorough and there is the option for multiple appeals and paths to take. The death of a person is a very serious thing to rule on. It may be annoying to see this particular case dragged out, but it's part and parcel of our country being democratic, and worthy cases being able to fight their corner against mistreatment.

It's worrying, the amount of people who want to see proper legal processes curtailed just because they don't like this one case.

That’s absolutely not true. Class is a really big deal in the uk. Working class means working people. Lower class means HD and family.

Lol, I am English, you can't pull the wool over my eyes. Lower class isn't a thing, except as an insult. There is nothing more quintessentially British than middle class people identifying as working class.

 

[Wine em Dine em 69 em]

@oldclocknewclock you raise some interesting points. 6 months seems a reasonable amount of time to fiddle with the corpse.
What if they could somehow arrange to ship the body to Hollie’s shitshack with a vent and monitors and whatnot. Hollie knows better than the docs and nurses, she’d be fine taking care of the ventilated corpse. Just park Archie right in the middle of the gray sitting room with the giant portrait of Hollie & her décolletage.
Do you think Hollie would make it the full 6 months if she had to care for Archie’s body in her home?

 

[Any Fucker]

Lol, I am English, you can't pull the wool over my eyes. Lower class isn't a thing, except as an insult. There is nothing more quintessentially British than middle class people identifying as working class.

I've never seen this, Jack monro being the exception with her poverty porn fetish

I live in a deprived area, you have the ten bob millionaires identifying as middle class in their chavvy new build houses. Some, mostly older, are working class through and through then there's the underclass that just exist on benefits, cash in hand jobs and proceeds of crime

 

[Adrenochrome Dreams]

I've never seen this, Jack monro being the exception with her poverty porn fetish

I live in a deprived area, you have the ten bob millionaires identifying as middle class in their chavvy new build houses. Some, mostly older, are working class through and through then there's the underclass that just exist on benefits, cash in hand jobs and proceeds of crime

Greetings, fellow Tattler.

Anyone who calls themselves working class while looking down on the actual working class as chavs, underclass, scum, lower class, or stereotyping them all as jobless criminals is middle class and a flaming Tory.

Editing to add (for others saying Hollie is not working class) that Hollie actually isn't jobless? She's been a pole dancer, stripper, phone sex worker and possible lady of the night. All of these are legitimate jobs in the UK. They're jobs many look down on but are real jobs nonetheless provided she pays her taxes.

 

[Vibromatic Heart Bed]

There are only two reasonably possible outcomes if treatment continues - and neither is all that bad

A nice thought experiment, but completely ignorant to the reality of what's happening to Archie's body, and what's to come.

This is why I wish these facebook commenters and internet philosophers would stay in their lane and listen to the fucking medical professionals who've dedicated their careers to understanding human physiology and caring for the very real human beings in front of them.

What's going to happen if treatment continues?... Archie's body will undergo multiorgan failure. His kidneys will stop producing urine as toxic byproducts accumulate, turning his blood acidic. His body will be unable to digest his feeds, leading to vomiting and bloating. His skin will develop necrotic sores. His lungs will continue to fill with thick secretions that have to be suctioned constantly, he might even have to be proned (laid onto his belly) in a last ditch effort to help his lungs get slightly better blood flow and expansion.

But dying on your stomach with your face shoved into the mattress, plastic tubes in every orifice, while nurses frantically push medications into your veins and your parents watch helplessly isn't all that bad, right?

 

[ChaChaHeels:BlackOnes]

@Adrenochrome Dreams

That's only another two months and 5 days. It would have saved the NHS a lot in legal fees

29 days left of August +30 days of September plus 5 = 64 days.

From the following document:

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/497127/Reference_costs_guidance_2015-16.pdf

At 2015 rates the cost per DAY of a paediatric critical care bed ranged from £1339 to £5462.


I have no idea which level of care Archie is receiving so I will use the median figure of £2178
£2178 x 64 =

Now, don’t get me wrong, I’m a passionate believer in socialised medicine, even for chavs - but if you think spending 140 grand (plus whatever inflation/Brexit/post covid/rising energy prices has added to the 2015 rate) on a boy who is already dead just so as to not shell out on the legal costs that are only accruing because Hollie can’t accept the opinion of multiple NHS doctors, even though those opinions have been reviewed by some of the UK’s finest legal minds?

AND bearing in mind that investigating the suspicious circumstances of Archie’s catastrophic injury is also going to cost a significant amount to the public purse?

You really think that’s good value for money? If so, well…

You par me buki blud, your behaviour is well moist. You get me?

 

[Adrenochrome Dreams]

A nice thought experiment, but completely ignorant to the reality of what's happening to Archie's body, and what's to come.

This is why I wish these facebook commenters and internet philosophers would stay in their lane and listen to the fucking medical professionals who've dedicated their careers to understanding human physiology and caring for the very real human beings in front of them.

What's going to happen if treatment continues?... Archie's body will undergo multiorgan failure. His kidneys will stop producing urine as toxic byproducts accumulate, turning his blood acidic. His body will be unable to digest his feeds, leading to vomiting and bloating. His skin will develop necrotic sores. His lungs will continue to fill with thick secretions that have to be suctioned constantly, he might even have to be proned (laid onto his belly) in a last ditch effort to help his lungs get slightly better blood flow and expansion.

But dying on your stomach with your face shoved into the mattress, plastic tubes in every orifice, while nurses frantically push medications into your veins and your parents watch helplessly isn't all that bad, right?

The medical professionals all say he isn't suffering, so what's the problem?

 

[oldclocknewclock]

Do you think Hollie would make it the full 6 months if she had to care for Archie’s body in her home?

A very interesting question, it might depend on how much she gets paid for it.

There was the Sogen Kato case in Japan, where the government discovered a family had been collecting a pension despite Kato having died four decades ago. They had been keeping him in his bedroom. The scheme was only uncovered when officials showed up at his door to congratulate him for reaching age 111. The bar has been set quite high, but who knows!

In all seriousness though, it would be an excellent opportunity for her to make use of the gofundme donations she has received.

 

[Adrenochrome Dreams]

29 days left of August +30 days of September plus 5 = 64 days.

From the following document:
View attachment 3556750

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/497127/Reference_costs_guidance_2015-16.pdf

At 2015 rates the cost per DAY of a paediatric critical care bed ranged from £1339 to £5462.
View attachment 3556765
View attachment 3556798
I have no idea which level of care Archie is receiving so I will use the median figure of £2178
£2178 x 64 = View attachment 3556796

Now, don’t get me wrong, I’m a passionate believer in socialised medicine, even for chavs - but if you think spending 140 grand (plus whatever inflation/Brexit/post covid/rising energy prices has added to the 2015 rate) on a boy who is already dead just so as to not shell out on the legal costs that are only accruing because Hollie can’t accept the opinion of multiple NHS doctors, even though those opinions have been reviewed by some of the UK’s finest legal minds?

AND bearing in mind that investigating the suspicious circumstances of Archie’s catastrophic injury is also going to cost a significant amount to the public purse?

You really think that’s good value for money? If so, well…

You par me buki blud, your behaviour is well moist. You get me?

£140,000 is less than I thought, they will be spending far more than that on legal fees. It's a drop in the ocean compared to all the fat bastards, smokers and drinkers wasting resources.

I stopped caring about wasting NHS money a long time ago, the management is terrible and inefficient. They waste a ton and if they gave a shit about fixing it they'd start there.

 

[Carpe Jugulum]

I wasn't just talking about you, but others on this thread many of whom self-identified working class.

I’m from and live in a deprived area with a large amount of multi generational benefit claimants. The causes of this runs deeper and are more complex than benefit scrounging. Some folk buck the trend and do well, all power to them.

You don’t get to come here and tell people we are self-identifying into things because you don’t like our opinions or because we can articulate ourselves better than you expect us to.

I have known people like Hollie (although not quite as batshit) all my life.

 

[Adrenochrome Dreams]

I’m from and live in a deprived area with a large amount of multi generational benefit claimants. The causes of this runs deeper and are more complex than benefit scrounging. Some folk buck the trend and do well, all power to them.

You don’t get to come here and tell people we are self-identifying into things because you don’t like our opinions or because we can articulate ourselves better than you expect us to.

I have known people like Hollie (although not quite as batshit) all my life.

I can say what I like, cope and seethe. I'm amused by this "more working class than thou" bullshit but I'm not going to be powerleveling.

 

[Potato Ninja]

I’m from and live in a deprived area with a large amount of multi generational benefit claimants. The causes of this runs deeper and are more complex than benefit scrounging. Some folk buck the trend and do well, all power to them.

You don’t get to come here and tell people we are self-identifying into things because you don’t like our opinions or because we can articulate ourselves better than you expect us to.

I have known people like Hollie (although not quite as batshit) all my life.

Don't feed the troll. It's obvious they made an account yesterday just to stir up the thread.

 

[oldclocknewclock]

29 days left of August +30 days of September plus 5 = 64 days.

From the following document:
View attachment 3556750

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/497127/Reference_costs_guidance_2015-16.pdf

At 2015 rates the cost per DAY of a paediatric critical care bed ranged from £1339 to £5462.
View attachment 3556765
View attachment 3556798
I have no idea which level of care Archie is receiving so I will use the median figure of £2178
£2178 x 64 = View attachment 3556796

Now, don’t get me wrong, I’m a passionate believer in socialised medicine, even for chavs - but if you think spending 140 grand (plus whatever inflation/Brexit/post covid/rising energy prices has added to the 2015 rate) on a boy who is already dead just so as to not shell out on the legal costs that are only accruing because Hollie can’t accept the opinion of multiple NHS doctors, even though those opinions have been reviewed by some of the UK’s finest legal minds?

AND bearing in mind that investigating the suspicious circumstances of Archie’s catastrophic injury is also going to cost a significant amount to the public purse?

You really think that’s good value for money? If so, well…

You par me buki blud, your behaviour is well moist. You get me?

This is assuming he lasts that the full two months. Regardless of that, the number of legal proceedings that could be brought forward if Hollie is not convinced could result in a protracted battle carrying on for many years. The costs may very well exceed 140k, in addition to the valuable time and energy of the judges and legal teams that would be involved.

The costs of an investigation are unavoidable regardless of how long Archie lasts, though a more compliant Hollie during the process might save some resources.