Armed Protesters take over Fed owned Building

http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/03/us/oregon-wildlife-refuge-protest/index.html

Yep. Another chapter in the Cliven Bundy saga. Protesters have taken over a Federal building in Oregon, claiming the government is using unfair tactics to try and get them to sell them their farmland. Shit hit the fan when ranchers where arrested for arson. The ranchers claim they where doing it to kill off invasive crops and to prevent wildfires. The protesters think the arrest was the government trying to punish ranchers.

Shit gonna go down folks
 
At some point, they'll learn (hopefully) that posting about their crime, as they do it, is only going to make the indictment longer...... I pity the modern defense attorney who has his client's FB posts to explain away.... ones he posted live from the takeover of a Federal fruit stand in the middle of nowhere.
 
The Feds have charged Cliven Bundy, and they are not I repeat NOT fucking around:

Conspiracy to commit an offense against the United States
Assault on a federal law enforcement officer
Use and carry of a firearm in relation to a crime of violence
obstruction of the administration of Justice
Interference with commerce by extortion and aiding and abetting
 
The Feds have charged Cliven Bundy, and they are not I repeat NOT fucking around:

Conspiracy to commit an offense against the United States
Assault on a federal law enforcement officer
Use and carry of a firearm in relation to a crime of violence
obstruction of the administration of Justice
Interference with commerce by extortion and aiding and abetting

Absolutely fucking beautiful. What did I say? "Fed lawyers, get creative". Redneck moron is going to jail for a long time.
 
The Feds have charged Cliven Bundy, and they are not I repeat NOT fucking around:

Conspiracy to commit an offense against the United States
Assault on a federal law enforcement officer
Use and carry of a firearm in relation to a crime of violence
obstruction of the administration of Justice
Interference with commerce by extortion and aiding and abetting

They threw a simple conspiracy charge as a placeholder to arrest some of the other extremist militants. This is probably a placeholder charge, and once you're on the hook for conspiracy, you can also be charged with everything everyone else did in furtherance of the conspiracy.
 
And for much longer than a month....

Looks like about 26 have been indicted so far for crimes related to either the occupation, or outstanding warrants for gun and possession crimes. With more to surely follow. Watching these Twoo Patriots (tm) turn on each other for plea deals is gonna be sweet, since none of them want to be the only guy left holding the bag of stolen firearms and BLA van keys when the music stops......
 
Especially when your conspirators are so dumb as to post their conspiratorial actions online, in realtime, while clearly stating EXACTLY what they hope to accomplish....

And finally, someone calling him exactly what he is, not a "protestor" not a "resistor" but a criminal, well "renegade" but, that's at least a polite way of doing it.

The clownshoe militia saga continues....

Cliven Bundy has apparently pled poverty and asked for a public defender, the Judge allegedly has asked him to provide proof he's broke before that's granted... that's gonna be tough considering he's made quite a deal about what a successful rancher he is. Though I'm not surprised the man who told the government to stuff it from behind a keyboard and rifle sight is now asking them to give him a lawyer, free.....

Also, the lone occupier shot in the takedown, LaVoy Finicum, apparently spent his pre-occupation days writing his own novel, wherein (predictably) heroic God-fearing ranchers take back the west from the corrupt and commie-infested Fed following a terrorist strike that decapitates the government and leaves the country in chaos that none of the liberal pantywaists in the big cities were prepared for....

The county Sheriff is also now under investigation for being perhaps a bit too chummy with Bundy and Co. Enough so that the FBI/State Police traffic stop and arrest was apparently planned and carried out without informing him or asking for his input, the first he knew about it was when he heard it on the radio and called the 911 center to ask what was going on.
 
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The county Sheriff is also now under investigation for being perhaps a bit too chummy with Bundy and Co
Is that the same sheriff who had death threats put on his head by the militia's supporters?
 
Also, the lone occupier shot in the takedown, LaVoy Finicum, apparently spent his pre-occupation days writing his own novel, wherein (predictably) heroic God-fearing ranchers take back the west from the corrupt and commie-infested Fed following a terrorist strike that decapitates the government and leaves the country in chaos that none of the liberal pantywaists in the big cities were prepared for....
Sounds like a Turner Diaries knockoff.
 
Pretty much, except it's devoid of the overt racism/anti-semitism found in Diaries . Either because LaVoy genuinely wasn't racist (unlikely, considering the leanings of his followers) or, he was lumping the niggers in with those "liberals" and "marxists" who were utterly dependent on the Guvment stealing from hard working folk like him and giving it to moochers like them.

That seemed to be the overriding theme of the book, that only the rugged individualists like him, er, his self-insert Mary Sue, know how to work an honest day and the other 90% of the population are parasites propped up by a thieving state.

I (of course) can't find it now, but, there's a long discussion thread on this whole episode on another forum wherein one of the members found a copy of it and was giving out the juiciest parts. Like how the hero only sets off on his mission to recreate a "true" USA after his own family starves. Not because there's no food, but, because they can't bring themselves to "steal", and accepting the emergency rations the authorities are handing out would be taking from someone else because they were procured through theft, er, taxes....
Yes, the heroes family opts to STARVE instead of be propped up by welfare handouts.... and that's a GOOD and TRAGIC thing.

And, the authorities are clueless themselves, nothing but stupid kids and lefties from those liberal cities and universities who only took jobs with the guvment for cushy benefits and because the west sure is pretty, not because they know anything USEFUL, a National Park Ranger is found , lost and starving, because he, despite, you know, WORKING for a LIVING in said park, is as good as dead once the GPS in his truck shuts off.... they were only good at filling out forms and driving their Jeeps around hassling honest folk... thereby proving they were unfit to make a claim on "the peoples" land.

It's a mix of Randism and wide-eyed grade-school level naivety about the world and politics (You either work for a living, or ya starve, and if ya starve, you wasn't no use to anyone) that follows the horseshoe bend all the way around to becoming almost the same Marxism (down with class parasites!) that it fantasizes about triumphing over by being tough enough to survive when the power goes out and the machines printing everyone's welfare checks shut down. (Ironically, IRL, some of the occupiers got arrested when they had to leave and make a food run to Safeway, and ultimately lasted a month in conditions far far FAR better than any "total collapse into anarchy" scenario, so much for rugged survivalism)

A laughable but insightful window into the mind of a man who fashioned himself a folk hero, smarter and tougher than anyone else, and, when surrounded by cops and Federal Agents, thought it was a good idea to draw a gun..... to him, it was living out his ultimate fantasy. Whether he thought it would make him a hero, or a martyr, or he was too far gone to realize what was happening was turning deadly, it doesn't matter, it started with clownshoes, it ended with bullet-riddled clownshoes for him.
 
There's still some milk left in these cows:

In Portland this week, the defense has indicated it will rely on novel legal challenges and, as needed, colorful historical references to persuade the jury.

This is gonna be good!

Last week, in a court document, one of the Bundy attorneys, arguing the U.S. government has no jurisdiction in Oregon, said the federal officials were acting like the federales in the 1948 classic western “The Treasure of the Sierra Madre.”

The attorney noted that in the movie when Fred Dobbs (Humphrey Bogart) asked the lawman (actually, a bandit) where his badge was, the bandit memorably responded, “Badges? We ain't got no badges. We don't need no badges. I don't have to show you any stinking badges!''

Said the attorney, Marcus Mumford: “The government's response says, essentially, we don't need to prove no stinking subject matter jurisdiction! ... But that's the thing, they do.”

...in one court motion, he questioned his own competence.

“I, ryan c, man, am an idiot of the ‘Legal Society,’” he wrote in the court document in an attempt to explain his independence, “and; am an idiot (layman, outsider) of the ‘Bar Association’; and; i am incompetent; and; am not required by any law to be competent.”

Ryan Bundy also tried to subpoena Gov. Kate Brown and other government officials to testify in the case, sought $800,000 in damages for his arrest and claimed to be a member of the “sovereign Bundy family” not subject to federal law.

:story:


http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-bundy-occupation-trial-20160906-snap-story.html
 
Wonder if the Judge took Ryan Bundy off pro se status? She threatened to do it if he kept sending her those worthless sovcit "motions"

And they're still banging the "Adverse Possession" drum, even though said Judge has also ruled that it's irrelevant to the current charges and they can yammer about it to their hearts content, but her final instructions to the jury will be to ignore it when determining guilt.

Oh, and thanks for fighting for us little guys, Bundy and Co. It only take a few decades of my tax wages to make a noticeable dent in the $6 million (and rising price tag) of your heroic stand against government expenditures....

Okay, looks like Bundy is being allowed to proceed as his own attorney, but, the Judge has ordered a court-appointed one to standby for him because she (don't know why!) suspects she'll have to forcefully sit him down at some point for trying to soapbox. Naturally, Bundy doesn't like this. He's also filed a motion for dismissal because the whole thing was "entrapment" according to him. It hasn't been denied yet, but it will be, he doesn't cite any particular fact that would support a finding of entrapment and simply argues that the court hold a hearing to establish some facts.... he's essentially saying "The Government can't find me guilty until they hold a hearing to find out if I'm guilty!" Which is just the kind of circular goes-nowhere BS that he's been filing for months....

Charges have been dropped against Pete Santilli for the standoff as the Judge ruled prosecutors hadn't shown him to be one of the occupiers as opposed to a member of gaggle of "media" people who were posting events from the scene. However, he's walking out of court and straight into custody for charges stemming from the Bunkerville standoff, so he's still toast.

The only one who has a chance at acquittal, IMHO, is David Fry:

"A mental health expert will testify at trial next month that Oregon standoff defendant David Fry suffers from schizotypal personality disorder characterized by paranoia, anxiety and heightened suspicions that are exacerbated by stressful events, his attorney said Tuesday.

Fry's attorney Per C. Olson intends to argue at trial that his client mostly kept to himself, observing quails and other wildlife at the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, until the Jan. 26 police fatal shooting of occupation spokesman Robert "LaVoy'' Finicum on a rural road between the refuge and John Day.

It was the shooting and the resulting "echo chamber'' that Finicum was "unjustly murdered'' at the hands of law enforcement that triggered Fry's fear that federal agents were going to come after him, his attorney argued. The shooting of Finicum shooting led Fry to hunker down in a campground at the far western edge of the refuge parking lot until his surrender Feb. 11, Olson argued..."


Keep an eye on the oregonlive website, they've got the freshest details about this case before it gets disseminated to the national papers.
 
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Wonder if the Judge took Ryan Bundy off pro se status? She threatened to do it if he kept sending her those worthless sovcit "motions"

And they're still banging the "Adverse Possession" drum, even though said Judge has also ruled that it's irrelevant to the current charges and they can yammer about it to their hearts content, but her final instructions to the jury will be to ignore it when determining guilt.

The federal government has sovereign immunity against adverse possession, which would take years anyway. It's a nonsense argument like most of the voodoo law cited by these morons.

The only one who has a chance at acquittal, IMHO, is David Fry:

The literal crazy person is more sane than these other nuts. And yes, if you heard his ranting and raving on the stream during the last couple days of the standoff, the boy is clearly not right in the head.
 
Prosecution rests their case this Wednesday, that was over pretty quick, but then again, the only thing they had to prove to get a conviction was that the accused willingly acted in a matter that impeded the ability for government employees to do their job.

Ken Mendelbach's attorney asked for an immediate acquittal because nobody testified he hurt or tried to hurt anyone, showing he's a shit-tier lawyer, because, see above. Anyone surprised it was denied?

If there's a guy who moved into my house while I was at work and refuses to get off my couch, it doesn't matter if he threatens me or not, his presence is trespassing, their presence at the refuge was obstructive, end of story, but it's cute to see him try.

No mention of any moon-quality motions from the Bundy camp, yet. Ryan Bundy apparently plans to take the stand and argue the same thing, there was no "greater intent" to harm anyone, which, even if true, is irrelvant.

It's the unauthorized taking that makes larceny illegal, not if force or violence is used.

It's the collusion to commit a crime that makes conspiracy illegal, not if it actually succeeds.

It's the occupying that's illegal, not the reasons unless you didn't know you were doing it, and they clearly did.

They're toast, and they'll whine to their cells about how the government didn't give them a fair shake, this is why you need a lawyer when you go to court. A GOOD one, the law doesn't care about your feelings.
 
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